Jeff Olsen, Quorum, TPN a true story
JORDAN BRIAN
<edited for brevity>
All that said and done, it is just as, if not more important to know, or
verify the application/resignation ratio going on at the current time.
Also, why, as mentioned in an earlier Q post why is the senior VP of
marketing slated to resign effective 1/1/95? Can you answer the allegations
re: Raymond Hung as put forth by Thomas Waffle (earlier posts)? With all
that is being bandied about with regard to Q Corporate and Hung's philos-
ophies eventually Q Corp is going to have to answer these questions directly.
It's easy to say that Jeff Olson was a proponent of that so-called
frontloading plan now that he is pursuing his own venture, but you your-
self should have been keenly aware that it is Q's strict policy that you
must have sold 70% of your stock before ordering more. That is also why
they have the special product packages that you can purchase several
items of each, a sampling, if you are so inclined to sink that much into
the program initially.
All I see of this is just another testimonial, against Olson/Worre, that
is based on one's misguided effort to make it big overnight.
TPN is not about selling motivational tapes produced by Jeff Olson or Eric
Worre. It is, believe it or not, about providing people with the information
they need to succeed in any one of a number of areas, and becoming better
educated by it.
As for your disdain for the people who left companies of questionnable
integrity, Larry Jordan left Amway and a distributorship consisting of
500,000 in order to pursue his own dream, Springboard Marketing. The
products Springboard produces are individually tested and subject to peer
review, no in house analysis, prior to hitting the market. Don't be so
quick to condemn those who seek thr to hitting the market. Don't be so
attaining perfection.
Because many controversial things are surfacing out of Q's alleged
demise, let's limit the posts to only those items that can be supported
by fact, not inference or speculation or insult.
For a better future,
Brian Jordan
Independent TPN Distributor
Randy Brown
: TPN is not about selling motivational tapes produced by Jeff Olson or Eric
: Worre. It is, believe it or not, about providing people with the information
: they need to succeed in any one of a number of areas, and becoming better
: educated by it.
Brian - You've said it all! TPN is bringing together many experts to
provide the information and training. It's not the company's leaders
that are putting out the material.
The Peoples Network requires more than just a quick glance to understand
its potential. I would hope that people looking on here do individual
research into the program, rather than take some of the postings I've
read recently as the last word.
1995 is going to be great!
R Brown -- TPN | for information about The Peoples Network,
Ind. Distributor | a one-of-a-kind network marketing company
Xenia, Ohio | providing easy access to personal development
rbr...@erinet.com | via satellite technology, email: rbr...@erinet.com
fbo...@world.std.com
FROM: Fred Bosch
I first mentioned my disgruntlement with Quorum to a few Quorum dis
tributors prior the launch of TPN without even mentioning Jeff Olsen's
name. Art Jonax of TPN left a threatening message demanding that I
not mention Jeff's name at all on the internet.
Jeff's lawyers have also been busy squelching other Quorum
leaders and my upline that did not go into TPN. At first these threats
worked and I decided not to tell my story. But after seeing what is going
on with TPN and Quorum I feel that the truth must be told and damn all
that try to hide the truth. Network marketing is a vary viable industry and
thoes who try to hide the truth are ultimately hurting the industry.
Here is my story.
I was recruited into Quorum in December 1993. My Idea was to buy a few
products and sell a few; however I was encouraged to buy $4000 of
product, not by my sponsor, but his sponsor who was the downline of
none other than Jeff Olsen founder of TPN who I later found out refers to
this not as frontloading but harvesting your prospect.
Many leaders in Quorum did not promote frontloading but Jeff lived by it.
I was told, based on the structure of the compensation plan that this move
would get me to the place where I was going to make the most money,
thus I was harvested. In a few short days I found myself with a huge
amount of products and not much support as to why I just bought it or
what to do with it. I was just told to open the products and use them.
These products included tons of personal attack alarms home alarms and
5 , yes 5 cases of firenix, a product which I never could sell one bottle of.
As Time went by I found that I needed to spend more money on training,
brochures motivational tapes and recruiting tapes which Jeff suggested to
hand out 3 a day, incidentally recorded by him sold at $1.00 each !
Jeff recommended that each distributor buy about $50 of training material
he personally sold . Not all audios were recorded by him but his were the
ones most people handed out because lets face it, he was the best sales
man in Quorum and he knew it. Over time I had recruited a number of
people and the best, or perhaps the most gullible people bought 1k to 4 k
worth of product which they never managed to sell much of. There was
mountains of boxes, brochures motivational tapes training materials, and it
was never enough because. Quorum kept a steady flow of new products,
which we were encouraged to buy and show yet were difficult to use, and
at best we sold a few thus breaking even.
I was the lucky recipient a the frequent defective product, thus adding the
nightmare dimension of returning them. I have now been inactive for 4
months I am still hassling with returns and it drains the life out of me, not
to mention the paperwork and long distance phone bills. I just don't have
the energy for it anymore. Now I want to mention that the product return policy is not
what you think it is. You have to painstakingl cataloge each product ship it in the origo
nal box if you still have it and cancel your distributorship, thus throwing away all you,ve
worked for. Alot of my orders were wrong and sometimes they wouldn'nt take the wrong
product back, the only way was to cancel my distributorship which was like throwing
money away.
As time went on I kept a positive attitude as I listened to my upline all say
how to stay on track and don't be negative because Quorum was the best,
most and fastest growing, and Jeff was the man that kept us all on track
but all the rhetoric never hid the fact that I was going deeply into debt and
not being compensated for my efforts.
By the way my upline was Tricia Greaves, Roy Nelson, Ed Parker Art
Napolitano and Jeff Olsen They are all formerly from NSA!!! another front
loading company which has suffered the same Woes as Quorum- Ed
Parker was the local guru who did most of the training's. He now is in TPN
and has aggressively gone after my Quorum downline to get them into
TPN, without first asking me-- after week in and week out saying haw
much he was solid on Quorum and how we could depend on him. I always
had a bad feeling about anyone from NSA. Some of My top prospects
warned me that all my upline seemed greedy and selfish but I didn't listen
to them at the time
Jeff is an incredibly charismatic leader and we were all in awe of his sales
manship. We all followed him blindly as he nurtured his relationships with
us ( his huge downline) at a large Las Vegas convention last June just
prior to the launch of TPN. He was bragging at the time of meetings with
Paul Pilsner who had nothing to do with Quorum and everything to do
with TPN. But Jeff was working a master plan and cultivate loyalty just be
fore TPN was launched.
Now he expects us all to follow him blindly into his 3rd venture in only 4
years. It was always painfully obvious that the man was not happy just
with money, he seemed to want power, you could read it on his face.
To all of you who are thinking about TPN, I would be very careful about
pursuing that opportunity. Jeff and Eric Worre are sure putting lot of en
ergy into shutting people up. Maybe he doesn't want anyone saying the
truth that he is spewing the same spiel he did in Both Quorum and NSA
both of which he only stayed in for 2 years. And Alot of their spiel still is
based on stuff they don't even have yet like digital satellites.! How long is
pre-launch supposed to last anyway?
Ask yourself this, do you want a residual income that lasts and do you
want a leader you can trust .That's Why I did not choose TPN. I did
choose the right company and am making an excellent income that I
hoped Quorum would bring, but It sure ai'nt TPN.
If anyone has similar experiences I Please tell it I know you are out there.
In order to cover my ass, To Jeff, Eric lawyers and devotees I will say
what you made Quorum Diamond Exec Art Napolitano say. "This is This is
all only my experience and opinion".
Good Luck To all
To find out what company I did join Please E-Mail me.
Steve Moore
: I was recruited into Quorum in December 1993. My Idea was to buy a few
: product, not by my sponsor, but his sponsor who was the downline of
: none other than Jeff Olsen founder of TPN who I later found out refers to
: this not as frontloading but harvesting your prospect.
Whose fault is it you spent $4000 without understanding what you were
going to do with it? What happened to personal responsibility? If you
walk into a store and buy $4000 worth of something because they suggest you
do is it the stores fault? I joined Quorum at the same time as you did,
and just made my own decisions on what to buy.
If you had watched the QSN training broadcasts you would learned that
harvesting means signing up the prospect you have been working on. It's
that final act of a conference call or 3-way that gets them to make a
decision. I have *never* seen harvesting associated with frontloading.
In fact the only encouragement I've ever seen in buying product is the
Premiere Pack, which is $1000, not $4000. All I see above is an
exageration of facts due to frustration with mistakes you made. Believe
me, I'm not real happy with Quorum right now either, and am mostly
inactive, but I have to jump in and make the other point of view from a
non-hostile position.
: Many leaders in Quorum did not promote frontloading but Jeff lived by it.
What is the point of this statement that cannot be backed up? Is it to
warn us all that he is going to front-load us in TPN? Kind of hard to do
when the only thing to buy is a subscriber package with satellite dish
under $500.
: I was told, based on the structure of the compensation plan that this move
: would get me to the place where I was going to make the most money,
: thus I was harvested. In a few short days I found myself with a huge
: amount of products and not much support as to why I just bought it or
: what to do with it. I was just told to open the products and use them.
: These products included tons of personal attack alarms home alarms and
: 5 , yes 5 cases of firenix, a product which I never could sell one bottle of.
I have no sympathy for anyone that blindly buys what someone tells them
to. Quorum never told anyone to do this, maybe upline did, but we choose
both our upline and what we decide to listen to.
: As Time went by I found that I needed to spend more money on training,
: brochures motivational tapes and recruiting tapes which Jeff suggested to
: hand out 3 a day, incidentally recorded by him sold at $1.00 each !
I have no problem with this, the technique works, and the price is fair.
: was never enough because. Quorum kept a steady flow of new products,
: which we were encouraged to buy and show yet were difficult to use, and
: at best we sold a few thus breaking even.
This is true, Quorum fortunately has always had a good stream of products
for us, I simply chose not to buy demo models of them all.
: I was the lucky recipient a the frequent defective product, thus adding the
: nightmare dimension of returning them. I have now been inactive for 4
: months I am still hassling with returns and it drains the life out of me, not
: to mention the paperwork and long distance phone bills. I just don't have
I will agree there have been an excessive amount of defective products.
: and has aggressively gone after my Quorum downline to get them into
: TPN, without first asking me-- after week in and week out saying haw
: much he was solid on Quorum and how we could depend on him. I always
I agree this is not right, and would be mad also...
: Now he expects us all to follow him blindly into his 3rd venture in only 4
: years. It was always painfully obvious that the man was not happy just
: with money, he seemed to want power, you could read it on his face.
It could be he wants power, I have no problem with that. But nobody I
know who got into TPN did it "blindly".
: To all of you who are thinking about TPN, I would be very careful about
: pursuing that opportunity. Jeff and Eric Worre are sure putting lot of en
I agree, this goes with any new venture. Look carefully.
: both of which he only stayed in for 2 years. And Alot of their spiel still is
: based on stuff they don't even have yet like digital satellites.! How long is
: pre-launch supposed to last anyway?
They have always been downplaying the digital, pre-launch ends mid-Jan.
: Ask yourself this, do you want a residual income that lasts and do you
: want a leader you can trust .That's Why I did not choose TPN. I did
: choose the right company and am making an excellent income that I
: hoped Quorum would bring, but It sure ai'nt TPN.
: To find out what company I did join Please E-Mail me.
Ahh. now we find the real reason for this posting... no surprise.
Steve Moore - Independent TPN Distributor
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Christopher Harwood Snider
Fred,
If your company is as good as you think it is, then post
why you think it is good. Do not make yourself look like the
unprofessional fool by slandering two people with which you have
had no contact or interraction. Why don't you reply to that list
of questions that I sent you? I Figured that you would not reply
to them, but I wish that you would. I just have to hear you talk
your way out of all of this rubbish. Let me know if you lost my
mail. I could repost it here if you would like to handle this
discussion publicly.
Regards,
Chris Snider
Independent TPN Distributor
ch...@virginia.edu
(804) 293-8747 Voice
Jim Gray
If you think what was said was rubbish, why waste the bandwidth
requoting the entire piece of rubbish.
Jim Gray - The Problem->Solution Network
JonaX
After reading this post by Fred it became quite clear to me that Fred
was blowing off some steam that was there from past experiences in
Quorum *however* this steam then was misdirected into a Jeff Olson/TPN slam.
I gave Fred a call and we discussed the contents of his post for over
45 minutes. As it turns out the post was a result of some built up
frustrations with Quorum and TPN was dragged through the mud for no
real reason.
I'm sure that today Fred will agree that TPN is a very viable
opportunity - especially now that he has many more of the facts about
TPN.
Unfortunately Fred's post has already done it's damage, as uncalled
for as it was. I'm going to attempt to right the wrongs, bring out the
facts and agree/disagree with parts of the "true story". I will do this
without slamming bringing up Fred's current MLM program.
Just a side note, I've been involved in this industry for over 5 years,
the last 2.5 years I was involved with *only* Quorum on a fulltime
basis. Over that time I became quite involved in the politics of
Quorum and also got to know many of the top leaders personally
(including Jeff Olson and Eri Worre). So when I make references to
Quorum and/or Jeff Olson I'm doing so from years of experience with
both of them.
> FROM: Fred Bosch
>
> I first mentioned my disgruntlement with Quorum to a few Quorum dis
> tributors prior the launch of TPN without even mentioning Jeff Olsen's
> name.
Note: Here it expressly states that the bad apple comes from past
Quorum experiences - nothing to do with TPN.
> Art Jonax of TPN left a threatening message demanding that I
> not mention Jeff's name at all on the internet.
First off, I'm not of TPN, I'm just an Independent TPN Distributor.
Second, I don't recall any *threats* or *demands* being made to anyone
(including Fred). This is news to me.
> Jeff's lawyers have also been busy squelching other Quorum
> leaders and my upline that did not go into TPN.
This is a half truth. It is true that Jeff's lawyers have been in
touch with some current active Q distributors. The reason is not because
they didn't join TPN (to be frank, I don't know anybody at TPN that
is losing sleep over the fact that these particular distributors did
not join TPN) - the reason the lawyers have been in touch with these
Quorum distributors is because these distributors have *actively* gone
out of their way to slander, shoot down and spread rumours about TPN
through conference calls, faxes, etc. This activity on their part
is IMO 100% due to sour grapes and a last gasp at self-preservation on
their part as they are seeing their Q organizations shrink by the
thousands.
Since the lawyers have spoken with these particular Q distributors,
these distributors have toned down their acts quite a bit
David
: Well, I'm glad both sides of the story have been said.
: >> Are you guys aware that Jeff Olson's forthcoming book
THE SLIGHT EDGE, is
: being featured in SUCCESS magazine's double Jan/Feb issue? True. I think
: Olson may be one of TPN's best kept secrets. He's equally as profound as
: some of the faculty. Anyhow, go out and get 5, 10, 25 copies of SUCCESS
: (on newsstands early Jan.). It'll make a great show and tell for your
: people and prospects, and it will send a message to SUCCESS that covering
: TPN and Jeff results in newsstand sales blown out across the nation,
: which means more and more coverage for you all. Enjoy. JMF
Are you all aware the guys who publish Success magazine are very
successful Quorum Diamonds? They are in my upline right below Greg Stern
and Greg Mascari.
I wonder if they are going to jump to TPN.
David
--
doub...@delphi.com
concerned.
Bob Dingley
>
> Ok, what business did you join? I am in quorum now, and these postings have me
> concerned.
Doubtfire:
Don't be concerned! The "crap" that you hear on here and
everywhere else is nothing more than the same old "I'll rip
your opportunity down!"--thinking.
It is clear that things at Quorum have changed with the departures
of many of the "hypers" that were there in the past. Those are
the same folks who virtually "sold" positions and front-loaded
their new distributors...all of which did a lot of damage.
With all of that flushed out Quorum is now able to concentrate
on building a selling organization. Yes, it is a fact that
unless the product is sold on-one makes any money!!!
Best wishes for continued success in building your Quorum business.
Bob
