Is Quixtar really just Amway on the net ?
davidhaynes
anyone know if Amway is the real power behind Quixtar.
If this is true has anyone had any bad experiences
with Amway ???????
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davidhaynes <david...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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David,
Yes, Quixtar is Amway on the net. Same owners, same downlines, same
products and services. Hopefully, they will be unable to abuse the newer
Distributors with tools, etc., and the ratio of customers to distributors
will be better than 1 to 10 or so that it is now ( a closed system if there
ever was one). The retail end will have to survive on its own merits for a
change. Now, it very may well, but only time will tell. Asking for people
to post bad experiences about Amway is an invitation to being flooded --
remember, Amway has been around for 50 years, and there are a huge number
of people who are VERY negative. Instead of asking that here, go to a
search engine and enter "Amway" (Deja.com or yahoo would be good ones, I
think). I would also suggest that you visit alt.business.multi-level and
look at the posts there on Quixtar and Amway.
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peter_wh...@my-deja.com
"davidhaynes" <david...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Quixtar is getting ready to launch in Septemner 1999. Does
> anyone know if Amway is the real power behind Quixtar.
> If this is true has anyone had any bad experiences
> with Amway ???????
>
What planet are you from?
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Reg Ching
I have not had any bad experiences with Amway and know a few reputable
Amway distributors ... but like any business, you will eventually find
people that have both good and bad experiences.
Reg
"If I could show you a business ... that makes complete sense ... and
there was no risk ... so you couldn't lose ... BUT ... you could make an
extra $20-30,000 this year ... and if it wasn't some get-rich-quick
scheme ... would you give me 20 minutes of your time."
Yes ... reply to thecalo...@webtv.net
microsof...@my-deja.com
www.countdown9199.com
Quixtar? Quackstar? Quicksand? IT'S AMWAY!
This page discusses some of the strategic business considerations of
the new Amway E-commerce otherwise known as Quixtar. In the end it's
still Amway, they just changed the name to get away from the stigma
associated with the old name. Soon people will not be saying "is it
Amway?..", but rather "is it Quixtar?..." See a side by side comparison
of features of both businesses.
"A bad business, put on the internet, is still a bad business"
Michael Dell, Dell Computer Corp.
If you have been told that Microsoft or Bill Gates has an investment in
Quixtar, Amway asks that you report the offending distributor to
ab...@quixtar.com or ab...@amway.com. Amway is trying to stop this run
away rumor. See what Amway has to say about the
Microsoft "relationship".
Before you get all excited about Quixtar ask yourself the following
questions:
Have you seen any product pricing to know how competitive this will be?
Will the prices be good enough to attract people to buy from your site,
or must you make them a dedicated consumer/distributor in order to get
them to buy? See how expensive the Amway prices were.
How much will be the bonuses and rebates? Has a bonus schedule and
BV/PV listing been published to know how much gross profit will be in
your business? Really, how has this plan changed from being in Amway?
How much will the distributor overhead costs be compared to Amway? If
you couldn't make money in Amway with the overhead costs of the typical
AMO distributorship, how will you make money in Quixtar when they have
already said that the rebates and performance bonuses will be
potentially lower than Amway?
How come if I want to join Quixtar, I need to join Amway first? You
need to understand the fact that you will be in Amway first to be in
Quixtar!
What kind of business information did you find at the
Quixtar "countdown 99" site? ZILCH, The site is all hype, and no
information, no details. It is a waste of time in my opinion. Would you
value anyone's opinion that sent you to that site to find out more
information on Quixtar?
How will you differentiate your "Quixtar site" from the 500+ hits,
which you get with a Yahoo search?
How will Quixtar be different from other E-malls popping up?
How is Quixtar really different from Amway? Click here for a list.
Quixtar Rules Amway Reinvents itself as Quixtar What distributors are
saying about Quixtar
Strategic Overview of Internet Distribution
From a marketing viewpoint, one must ask what are the benefits of using
the Internet for selling goods and services. Once the benefit of this
new method is determined, one must consider what markets they are
trying to service, who are the competitors and what the competitive
price level is.
Benefits of E-Commerce
There are many potential benefits to the customer by shopping online. A
large benefit of shopping on line is the relative ease of comparing
prices. One can jump from site to site looking for the best price.
Within a few minutes one can determine the "market" price and then
place the order. Another benefit is the opportunity to save time. Just
turn on the computer, login into your Internet service provider and
within a few minutes you can have purchased what you wanted and not
even spent the 20-40 minutes driving around to get what you wanted. In
the end the Internet is another tool which can decrease costs by better
utilizing inventory, reducing overhead, reducing labor costs, and
shopping time. Manufacturers will start to set up their own sites for
direct selling to capture the retail markup currently taken by
retailers and distributors. As search engines become more powerful and
user friendly, and the "transmission bandwidth" of the Internet
increases it will be easier to find what you want in very little time.
Everyone should agree that the potential of Internet shopping is huge.
From the book The Roaring 2000's by Harry S. Dent.
"As Steve Jobs succinctly put it in an interview with Wired magazine in
July 1996, "picture the Internet as a direct producer-to-consumer
distribution system." Widespread use of the Internet and allied
technologies will fundamentally change the way we handle our business
at home and at the office. It will collapse the many expensive layers
of administrative, marketing, and distribution bureaucracy, much as the
assembly-line revolution greatly reduced production costs."
Internet Competition
In the end there will always be competition. Today, even before Amway
goes "on-line" many other distributors of goods and services are
already on-line. Wal-Mart is online. Buy.com is online. There are even
few grocery stores on line. Amazon.com is on-line. The list grows every
day.
Now Amway is going on-line with "Quixtar", and wanting to take
their "million man" "3/4 million man" distribution force onto the
Internet. Internet distribution is a great buzzword, but from business
sense one needs to do a competitive analysis before one gets caught up
in the hype and excitement of an "Internet Business" like Quixtar.
What is Amway-Quixtar really bringing to the party by going on the
Internet? Will it be able to cut Amway's relatively high prices by
making their operations more efficient? Will it be able to make the
vast majority of Amway distributors who are currently unprofitable,
profitable? Can it break the Amway business Paradox, and reduce
distributors AMO driven overhead enough so that the average distributor
will make a profit? Will the prices be attractive enough for the
average consumer, who is not a distributor, to buy from the system at
Amway suggested retail prices?
Amway distributors claim to be more efficient than retail outlets. They
say, because there are no stores, employees, and employee benefits that
they can offer goods for less. However, when you investigate their
prices and inherent cost structure, one finds Amway isn't even
competitive with local discount stores. Much of their cost structure is
in the multi-level rebates and bonuses they pay. What will happen when
all of Amway's competitors have the lower business cost structure that
the Internet can provide? Amway will be hanging onto its multi-level
marketing costs while the competition leap-frogs Amway and reduces
their costs. Amway will be even less competitive in the future unless
they reduce their cost structure with reduced bonuses, rebates and a
lower Amway corporate profit margin. A distributors' profitability will
be reduced if the bonuses are cut without a corresponding reduction in
the distributors overhead costs.
So what will NEW Amway-Quixtar have to offer, as a business model, when
it goes on-line? Will it be able to cut costs? In the end how will a
WEB site offering premium priced goods be any different from their
catalogs offering premium priced goods? In both cases the goods are
delivered to you. In both cases someone at Amway must accumulate your
order, pack it and ship it. The one missing link is the operator who
takes your order. If the order taker takes $1000/hour of orders and
gets paid $15.00/hour, with benefits, the cost for someone to take your
order will be about 1.5% of sales. Other than the 1.5%, what other
costs will be saved over today's Amway business model? Has there been
discussion about slashing the distributor bonuses and rebates. Previous
analysis shows that this is a significant contributor to Amway's cost
structure? While every other business is trying to cut layers of
middlemen, Amway is still hanging on to the approach of "multi-level-
marketing". The name "multi-level" itself describes the multiple levels
of costs built in by the bonus and rebate program. Other Internet
competition won't have these costs. The determining factor will be if
Amway's bonus and rebate costs will be lower than the Internet stores
advertising costs. MLM'ers claim the money normally spent on
advertising, stores and employees is what Amway uses to pay the rebates
and bonuses. So what happens when search engines become so capable that
fewer and fewer advertising dollars are needed? To stay competitive
Amway and the MLM companies will need to reduce the rebate and bonus
schedules still more. As bonuses and rebates are reduced the profit
potential of a distributorship will be reduced. If people have a hard
time making good money in Amway today, the future is even less
promising with the E-commerce business.
Overzealous "new-bees" wishing to own a business will jump at the
chance to get in an Internet business for so little money. They will
find out later that the goods they purchase, are more expensive on
average than shopping at a discount store. It would sound neat to tell
your friends they can shop at your online store. But, isn't it the same
as before when you could hand a friend an Amway catalog with your Amway
distributor number on it and have them order from it. Both sound pretty
cool, but in reality not many people outside of distributors ordered
from an Amway catalog.
Most sales come from the distributors buying from
themselves, "servicing their own business", and not from retail sales
to non-distributors. What makes being able to buy on-line any different
from buying from an Amway catalog? Both are delivered to you home.
Amway has had automatic reorder system for a couple of years before the
Internet. Look how much their sales rose from that and how popular that
was. Maybe that's why sales dropped 9.5% during the last three years. I
don't think there will be any great increase in Amway retail sales to
non-distributors just because it is now on the Internet. If hundreds of
thousands of Amway distributors go on-line, how will one distributor be
differentiated from another? How will people choose your site over
another distributors', unless they know you personally? You will still
have to personally contact most everyone who will be sponsored by you
or who would by from you.
So in the end nothing has changed. They will continue to push consuming
product from your business just like today. They will try to teach
other people how to consume premium priced products from their own
business, when under other circumstances they would not have paid up
for them. You need to do this so you can get a cut of the premium price
they just paid, to try to make some money for yourself, and cover you
business tools (business support materials) your upline sold you to
build your business. Few people will buy from your Internet store if it
isn't competitive. Thus, you must rely on recruiting other people to
have a "vested interest" in supporting their own business so that they
buy anything and everything from it to get to the next sales level or
maintain their "point" status.
Ask yourself a few questions about the benefits of doing Amway on the
Internet?
Have they lowered their prices to be more competitive with the coming
competition?
Have they given you any price lists yet? If you can get an Amway price
list, DO A COMPARISON.
How do you know the products are good deals, or do you just think you
can get others to join?
Is an Internet site really going to motivate people to buy from your
distributorship versus before with a catalog?
Do you think random surfers from will find your site and that they will
see value enough in the products to order?
How many of your friends and neighbors are really going to shop on your
Amway site, if most of them wouldn't even order from one of your Amway
catalogs in the past?
What does Amway get with Internet Distribution?
For one, they get a new name and new fad to hide under for a few years.
They need to change the name every few years to try to trick people
back into looking at the same old scheme of "buying from yourself and
showing others how to do it to". First it was Amway then Multi-Level
Marketing, then Network Marketing, then Interactive Distribution. Next
they will call it Amway Network Internet System (ANIS), and what ever
else after that in the future. Maybe it will be Amway Internet
Distribution System (AIDS). Internet Buttheads Organization (IBO),
Quixtar, Quackstar, Quicksand.... who cares it's still Amway and MLM
with the big pins trying to sell you tools to grow a business that has
poor business fundamentals.
Like the old Amway system, the money was in selling the business
(business support materials, tapes, books, seminars) and not in the
business itself. The most successful Amway distributors made most of
their money on products to help support and motivate a distributor and
not on product bonuses and rebates from Amway. Books, tapes, standing
order tape, motivational seminars, Amvox, Show the Plan kits, weekend
mini rallys, and Profiles of Success books are all very profitable
products, which sell easily to distributors all in the name
of "building your own business". Here Amway might be getting in on the
game by selling you products to "support your E-biz business". Such as
the software package to set up your site, Internet access via
QuixNet.net (Diamonds get their first year free, like they need to save
the money!), computers and supplies, WEB design software, there could
be many other things I have left out. All in all, the concept lacks
fundamental strategic business advantages when compared to the
competition. Amway is capitalizing on the lack of business knowledge
and understanding to lure would-be business owners into spending
(investing?) money with their "advantage-less" Internet store scheme.
Sure, recruiting numbers could be going up with Quixsand, but let's see
the sales growth numbers, in the US. It maybe that all the new
distributors are waiting for somebody else to buy product, while they
all shop at Wal-Mart to save money!
"A bad business, put on the internet, is still a bad business"
Michael Dell, Dell Computer Corp.
Focus only on the important competitive and strategic issues. Then you
can weed through the hype and excitement to make sure there is true
value in the new method.
Other Amway internet link
Sold on the WEB artcle
Back to the Little White Lies home page
From USA today May 11, 1999
"But there's one big difference: Quixtar (pronounced Quick-Star) is the
marketing equivalent of a fresh start. It won't make use of the Amway
name.
In the USA, Amway's name often brings to mind pushy salespeople who
peddle Amway products to friends and try to recruit them.
"The Amway name is often a hindrance when it comes to recruiting other
people because of a preconceived notion," says Rebecca Schmitt, a 28-
year-old distributor and office manager in Chicago. "They expect a
little old lady in green sneakers knocking on doors."
It takes some prodding, but DeVos admits he's frustrated by Amway's
image in the USA.
Amway executives don't come right out and say they're trying to leave
Amway's image behind by giving their Internet venture a new name, but
only Amway's founding DeVos and Van Andel families "who own and operate
numerous successful business ventures worldwide" are mentioned on
Quixtar's Internet site, www.quixtar.com."
The real Amway/Quixtar Microsoft relationship (a reply from
ab...@quixtar.com)
"What we have been told is that Quixtar Inc. is 100% owned by the DeVos
and VanAndel families. MS, IBM and the other companies that are
assisting with the creation of the site do not have an equity stake in
Quixtar. We have also been told that there are no plans at this time to
offer an IPO for shares of Quixtar Inc.. Obviously we aren't thrilled
with the content of your site, but it is important that you have
accurate and factual information. So, feel free contact us anytime and
we'll share what we can. Our PR group is your best bet for solid
information or if it is a easy question, I'll take a shot at answering
it for you. Take care, JHF"
True to form, distributors and Amway are trying to build credibility by
name-dropping. The Microsoft/ IBM-Quixtar "partnership" is nothing more
than a vendor/customer relationship. BIG DEAL!
In the same light, using the same logic, I can say that Microsoft,
Intel, Toshiba are all partners in the development of the "Little White
Lies Web site", and not be saying anything misleading!
In article <7nfrlu$57t$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
"davidhaynes" <david...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Quixtar is getting ready to launch in Septemner 1999. Does
> anyone know if Amway is the real power behind Quixtar.
> If this is true has anyone had any bad experiences
> with Amway ???????
wh...@my-deja.com
> > anyone know if Amway is the real power behind
Quixtar.
> > If this is true has anyone had any bad
experiences
> > with Amway ???????
> >
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Amway-
Quixtar_comparison.htm
wh...@my-deja.com
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html
for more info on the Amway/Quixtar business issues.
Scott
wh...@my-deja.com
See if it is the same for yourself:
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Amway-Quixtar_comparison.htm
enigm...@my-deja.com
that Microsoft, IBM and Amway were "partnered together" to form
Quixtar. I forwarded this to Microsoft to inquire, and was told ny
Microsoft that the claim was a hoax. Apparently, the lies are coming
even faster and more outrageous than from traditional Amway
distributors. Unless you relish the idea of being suckered,
brainwashed, and alienated from your friends and family, I advise
against involvement with these people.
wh...@my-deja.com
enigm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Yes, Quixtar is more Amway crap. I even received an email which
claimed
> that Microsoft, IBM and Amway were "partnered together" to form
> Quixtar. I forwarded this to Microsoft to inquire, and was told ny
> Microsoft that the claim was a hoax. Apparently, the lies are coming
> even faster and more outrageous than from traditional Amway
> distributors. Unless you relish the idea of being suckered,
> brainwashed, and alienated from your friends and family, I advise
> against involvement with these people.
>
Quixtar site. thanks,
mbro...@my-deja.com
First of all, David - Quixtar is a brand new
business, based in Delaware. What you are hearing
is partially correct - Quixtar is owned by the
same two BILLIONAIRRES that own the Amway
Corporation of Ada, Mi.
Second, Quixtar Members and Independant Business
Owners will have a tremendous advantage in
building their online business, because the great
resources (shipping, warehousing and distribution)
of Amway will be available for Quixtar business as
well.
And no, I have not heard anything bad about Amway
that was true. I have been a distributor for 6
years, and am continually bolstered by the genuine
regard the corporation has for its distributors,
their families and customers.
If you want to hear something bad, you will hear
it. But if you talk to someone like myself, you
will find that there are millions of folks like
me, and the ones who complain must have only a
problem with their own lack of initiative to get
the job done - how else could you explain the
tremendous success of Amway? If it was bad at
all, it would fail. But we are increasing by
approx. 15 - 20% every year.
And with Quixtar, that number will explode!
-Mark Brodsky
mbro...@aol.com
In article
<7nfrlu$57t$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
"davidhaynes" <david...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> Quixtar is getting ready to launch in Septemner
1999. Does
> anyone know if Amway is the real power behind
Quixtar.
> If this is true has anyone had any bad
experiences
> with Amway ???????
peter_wh...@my-deja.com
You mean decreased by 25% last year, but of course Quixtar will save
the day. This post is a great example of party line thinking. Kind of
sad.
Before you join or get in too deep, you need to read this and learn how
the top people are really making money in Amway and probably Quixtar:
http://www.best.com/~cobra/amway/probandt/index.html
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<mbro...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7o3stk$cmj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> *******
> First of all, David - Quixtar is a brand new
> business, based in Delaware. What you are hearing
> is partially correct - Quixtar is owned by the
> same two BILLIONAIRRES that own the Amway
> Corporation of Ada, Mi.
>
In fact, owned, operated, planned and staffed out of Ada, Mich. by the
DeVos and Van Andel families, with the idea for Quixtar coming from Dave
Van Andel, who got the Amway Policy Board to approve it. The project is run
by Ken McDonald, Amway's North American regional vice president.
>
> Second, Quixtar Members and Independant Business
> Owners will have a tremendous advantage in
> building their online business, because the great
> resources (shipping, warehousing and distribution)
> of Amway will be available for Quixtar business as
> well.
>
Bald-faced assurtion, based on hope.
> And no, I have not heard anything bad about Amway
> that was true. I have been a distributor for 6
> years, and am continually bolstered by the genuine
> regard the corporation has for its distributors,
> their families and customers.
>
Ambots have a bad habit of discounting anything bad about Amway as a lie.
> If you want to hear something bad, you will hear
> it. But if you talk to someone like myself, you
> will find that there are millions of folks like
> me, and the ones who complain must have only a
> problem with their own lack of initiative to get
> the job done - how else could you explain the
> tremendous success of Amway? If it was bad at
> all, it would fail. But we are increasing by
> approx. 15 - 20% every year.
>
> And with Quixtar, that number will explode!
>
The total number of visitors to Quixtar/Amways "countdown" site ofver the
last 10 months is 360,000. Compare that to an existing 750,000 IBOs. Does
that sound like an explosion to you?
> -Mark Brodsky
> mbro...@aol.com
>
>
> In article
> <7nfrlu$57t$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "davidhaynes" <david...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> > Quixtar is getting ready to launch in Septemner
> 1999. Does
> > anyone know if Amway is the real power behind
> Quixtar.
> > If this is true has anyone had any bad
> experiences
> > with Amway ???????
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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wh...@my-deja.com
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html#QuixFacts
Quixtar is just a WEB based Amway see the differences for yourself.
There are not that many. All Amway distributors can use Quixtar
without switching. There is no "ground floor" opportunity since the
750,000 US Amway distributors can just change to Quixtar. Quixtar web
pages are on the same network as the Amway pages. A Delaware corp.
means nothing, they did that because Delaware is very liberal with
corporate formations.
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Amway-Quixtar_comparison.htm
Thomas Murphy
inquire? I've e-mailed Microsoft on product purchases, returns, etc and
have never heard anything back from this company unless I paid for it.
wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7njcnv$gl3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> enigm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Yes, Quixtar is more Amway crap. I even received an email which
> claimed
> > that Microsoft, IBM and Amway were "partnered together" to form
> > Quixtar. I forwarded this to Microsoft to inquire, and was told ny
> > Microsoft that the claim was a hoax. Apparently, the lies are coming
> > even faster and more outrageous than from traditional Amway
> > distributors. Unless you relish the idea of being suckered,
> > brainwashed, and alienated from your friends and family, I advise
> > against involvement with these people.
> >
> Please send me a copy of this letter. I need it for my negative
> Quixtar site. thanks,
>
> scott....@juno.com
>
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Thomas Murphy <murp...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:37AD83F1...@bellatlantic.net...
> What was the e-mail address you used when talking to Microsoft and used
> to inquire? I've e-mailed Microsoft on product purchases, returns, etc
> and have never heard anything back from this company unless I paid for
> it.
>
>
>
> wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
You might try ab...@amway.com
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eterna...@my-deja.com
hoax.
In article <37AD83F1...@bellatlantic.net>,
murp...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
> What was the e-mail address you used when talking to Microsoft and
used to
> inquire? I've e-mailed Microsoft on product purchases, returns, etc
and
> have never heard anything back from this company unless I paid for it.
>
> wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
wh...@my-deja.com
murp...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
> What was the e-mail address you used when talking to Microsoft and
used to
> inquire? I've e-mailed Microsoft on product purchases, returns, etc
and
> have never heard anything back from this company unless I paid for it.
>
> wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > In article <7njcnv$gl3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > enigm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Yes, Quixtar is more Amway crap. I even received an email which
> > claimed
> > > that Microsoft, IBM and Amway were "partnered together" to form
> > > Quixtar. I forwarded this to Microsoft to inquire, and was told ny
> > > Microsoft that the claim was a hoax. Apparently, the lies are
coming
> > > even faster and more outrageous than from traditional Amway
> > > distributors. Unless you relish the idea of being suckered,
> > > brainwashed, and alienated from your friends and family, I advise
> > > against involvement with these people.
> > >
> > Please send me a copy of this letter. I need it for my negative
> > Quixtar site. thanks,
> >
> > scott....@juno.com
the letter is on my site at:
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Quixtar_Amway.html#microsoftfee
back
the letter cam from feed...@microsoft.com
Scott
Thomas Murphy
Mark -
If Amway is increasing 15 - 20% each year, their sales volume has
decreased aproximately the same during their last fiscal year.
Also, Amway distributers continually state that Amway is one of the only
debt-free companies out there. However, goto Quicken.com and search for
Amway, and you'll find three investmens for Amway -- which means that
Amway is no longer a debt-free corp.
It's true there is a lot of negativity concerning Amway -- for it's like
any other business run by different individuals -- some businesses
operate better and have higher standards than other -- and it's
reflected in the owner's ethical behavior, or on the other hand, the
lack of it.
I just try and be careful not to accept everything I'm told concerning
Amway -- since the majority of it is NOT true and is simply rumors,
lies, and propaganda.
however, good luck to you and your endeavors.
Thomas Murphy
mbro...@my-deja.com wrote:
> *******
> First of all, David - Quixtar is a brand new
> business, based in Delaware. What you are hearing
> is partially correct - Quixtar is owned by the
> same two BILLIONAIRRES that own the Amway
> Corporation of Ada, Mi.
>
> Second, Quixtar Members and Independant Business
> Owners will have a tremendous advantage in
> building their online business, because the great
> resources (shipping, warehousing and distribution)
> of Amway will be available for Quixtar business as
> well.
>
> And no, I have not heard anything bad about Amway
> that was true. I have been a distributor for 6
> years, and am continually bolstered by the genuine
> regard the corporation has for its distributors,
> their families and customers.
>
> If you want to hear something bad, you will hear
> it. But if you talk to someone like myself, you
> will find that there are millions of folks like
> me, and the ones who complain must have only a
> problem with their own lack of initiative to get
> the job done - how else could you explain the
> tremendous success of Amway? If it was bad at
> all, it would fail. But we are increasing by
> approx. 15 - 20% every year.
>
> And with Quixtar, that number will explode!
>
> -Mark Brodsky
> mbro...@aol.com
>
> In article
> <7nfrlu$57t$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "davidhaynes" <david...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> > Quixtar is getting ready to launch in Septemner
> 1999. Does
> > anyone know if Amway is the real power behind
> Quixtar.
> > If this is true has anyone had any bad
> experiences
> > with Amway ???????
> >
> >
>
Ibjamesbnd
>the letter is on my site at:
>http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Quixtar_Amway.html#microsoftfee
>back
Why isn't there a link to Microsoft? You have links to the two Abuse
mailboxes, why not MFST?
Why does the link on the "e-mail" MFST sent you not work? Where are the
original emails? Why didn't you just copy and paste them, links and all?
Bill
Why must I be surrounded by a bunch of frickin idiots?
Dr. Evil
MY SITE http://homes.acmecity.com/rosie/showtunes/229/
wh...@my-deja.com
ibjam...@aol.com (Ibjamesbnd) wrote:
> >
> >the letter is on my site at:
>
>http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Quixtar_Amway.html#microsoftfe
e
> >back
>
> Why isn't there a link to Microsoft? You have links to the two Abuse
> mailboxes, why not MFST?
> Why does the link on the "e-mail" MFST sent you not work? Where are
the
> original emails? Why didn't you just copy and paste them, links and
all?
> Bill
The real Amway/Quixtar Microsoft relationship (a reply from
ab...@quixtar.com)
"What we have been told is that Quixtar Inc. is 100% owned by the DeVos
and VanAndel families. MS, IBM and the other companies that are
assisting with the creation of the site do not have an equity stake in
Quixtar. We have also been told that there are no plans at this time to
offer an IPO for shares of Quixtar Inc.. Obviously we aren't thrilled
with the content of your site, but it is important that you have
accurate and factual information. So, feel free contact us anytime and
we'll share what we can. Our PR group is your best bet for solid
information or if it is a easy question, I'll take a shot at answering
it for you. Take care, JHF"
----------------------------------------------------------------
To: Business Information Services/Dist/ANA/Amway@Amway
Subject: Reply Wanted: The Business Opportunity
"While discussing Quixtar with a current Amway distributor, I was told
that Microsoft Chairman Gates had personally invested $250 million in
this new Amway venture. During post-meeting research, however, I hit a
Web site claiming that Microsoft is only a supplier to develop Quixtar,
and that neither Gates not Microsoft have ANY equity interest in
Quixtar. I have sent a message to Microsoft asking for the facts. To be
fair, however, I also wanted to give you a chance to respond. Please
note that even if your distributor's claim was false, I have no way of
knowing if this was a knowing deception, so I will not identify him."
DATE: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:44:46
From: Business_Infor...@amway.com
Subject: Re: Reply Wanted: The Business Opportunity
Carroll,
Microsoft is one of many companies helping develop Quixtar. The sister
company is solely owned by the Devos and VanAndel families.
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The real Amway/Quixtar Microsoft relationship (a reply from
feed...@microsoft.com to a site visitor)
From: PSS Customer Feedback <feed...@microsoft.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:06:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Is this true??? (KMM138761C0KM)
Hello John
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online.
The e-mail message you received is a hoax. If you receive an e-mail
message from any source that seems suspicious this information may be
helpful, http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
It is a government hosted list of known hoaxes on the Internet. If you
have any questions, please let us know by replying to this e-mail.
Thank you,
Shaun Microsoft Customer Service Representative
Original message follows:
-------------------------
I received an e-mail recently, which claims that Microsoft is now in
partnership with Amway.
Here is an excerpt: "Microsoft wanted to get involved in E-Commerce but
there were too many problems. A lot of money is being made on the
Internet, but not very many are profitable. Microsoft met with Rich
Devos & Jay VanAndle the owners of the #1 direct Sales Corp, because
they have an 800k to 1 million household customer base. . . That
Corporation is Amway. You've got the #1 Hardware Co. IBM the #1
Software Co Microsoft and the #1 Direct Sales Co Amway partnered
together to develop the #1 DigitalDestination port on the Internet and
it is called QUIXTAR."
Is this true?
>
> MY SITE http://homes.acmecity.com/rosie/showtunes/229/
>
PS your site still sucks.
yakim...@my-deja.com
"<none>" <notth...@somethingelse.net> wrote:
> Yes, Quixtar is Amway on the net. Same owners, same downlines, same
> products and services. Hopefully, they will be unable to abuse the
newer
> Distributors with tools, etc.,
Sorry, too late. Distributors are being "asked" to sign up for
internet access services by Britt Worldwide. The website is at
http://www.bwwonline.com
It makes one wonder why there is a need for bwwonline.com since Quixtar
already is offering internet access at http://www.quixnet.net to
Quixtar distributors. Is there really a need for big pin distributors
to compete with Quixtar for the "tools" business? How many other
services can the big pins offer to their downlines in competition with
already existing Amway/Quixtar services? Long distance, credit cards,
etc etc??
Quixtar/Amway had the opportunity to clean up the tool business. Looks
like it's too late. Too bad.
Jack
James E. Henderson Jr.
peter_wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7o3stk$cmj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> You mean decreased by 25% last year, but of course Quixtar will save
> the day. This post is a great example of party line thinking. Kind of
> sad.
>
> Before you join or get in too deep, you need to read this and learn how
> the top people are really making money in Amway and probably Quixtar:
> http://www.best.com/~cobra/amway/probandt/index.html
>
> >
> > And with Quixtar, that number will explode!
> >
> > -Mark Brodsky
> > mbro...@aol.com
>
> >
> > In article
> > <7nfrlu$57t$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > "davidhaynes" <david...@mindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Quixtar is getting ready to launch in Septemner
> > 1999. Does
> > > anyone know if Amway is the real power behind
> > Quixtar.
> > > If this is true has anyone had any bad
> > experiences
> > > with Amway ???????
> > >
> > >
> >
jerome hess
<jh12...@earthlink.net> wrote:
please enlighten us oh wize one?
j
wh...@my-deja.com
>
> please enlighten us oh wize one?
>
check this out:
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/Amway-Quixtar_comparison.htm
Myers'
Been there, done that..
Have the hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to prove it
Save your marriage
Save your time
Save your sanity
It's probably cheaper at Wal-Mart!
Uv(Ex-Amway Emerald)
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