Domain Names - Not as expensive as you might think.
Paul Stokes
Most of you will know this anyway but, if you are considering doing business
via the internet registering your company name will ensure that you reserve the
rights to that name on the internet and that no-one else will be able to trade
on the net as you.
You can register your own name on the Internet for less than you might imagine.
80 pounds sterling could reserve your co.uk name and more importantly, prevent
anyone else from getting there first. Even if you don’t intend to get netted
up just yet it’s worth making that small investment now to protect your name.
Don't forget that its done on a first come first served basis (try looking up
Josh Quittner with your favourite web browser).
For UK domains this is a one off fee (apart from a small 10 pounds sterling per
annum charge we make for maintence purposes). Be warned. In case you hadn't
heard there are moves afoot to charge a much larger annual fee.
LightSpeed On-Line can offer a number of options for domain registration:
· Reservation of co.uk Domain Name --- 80 pounds sterling.
· Reservation of com Domain Name --- 60 pounds sterling plus 100 dollars US for
2 years maintenance (the dollars go directly to the US naming org)
· Name Registering with e-mail forwarding --- name as above plus 4 pounds
sterling per month
· Name Registering with POP 3 e-mail account --- name as above plus 4 pounds
sterling per month
· Name Registering with multiple POP 3 e-mail accounts --- name as above plus 4
pounds sterling per month for the first account plus 2 pounds sterling per
month for each subsequent account
Bulk accounts --- p.o.a.
Do it now before it’s too late!
If you would like to get first hand knowledge of what the Internet is about and
what it can do for you may we suggest that you call in at our sister company
the Cardiff CyberCafé opposite the Castle in Duke Street. Should you wish to
discuss your businesses needs our staff will book and appointment for you with
a business services expert from LightSpeed On-Line. Alternatively, please ring
the office on +44 1222 235760 or e-mail pa...@lightspeed.co.uk
Hundreds of thousands of businesses are already doing business on the Internet.
If you want to join them why not take a few minutes to find out how it can
work for you.
Clive Feather
In article <4q4jrp$b...@news.cityscope.net>,
Paul Stokes <pa...@lightspeed.co.uk> wrote:
> Most of you will know this anyway but, if you are considering doing business
> via the internet registering your company name will ensure that you
> reserve the rights to that name on the internet and that no-one else will
> be able to trade on the net as you.
Will readers please note that:
(1) The above is not necessarily true.
(2) "CityScope Net" is *not* connected to CityScape Internet Services Ltd.
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Managing Director | Tel: +44 1223 566950
CityScape Internet Services | Fax: +44 1223 566951
General Role Account
In article <4q4o1d$s...@ns.cityscape.co.uk>
cd...@ns.cityscape.co.uk "Clive Feather" writes:
> In article <4q4jrp$b...@news.cityscope.net>,
> Paul Stokes <pa...@lightspeed.co.uk> wrote:
> > Most of you will know this anyway but, if you are considering doing business
> > via the internet registering your company name will ensure that you
> > reserve the rights to that name on the internet and that no-one else will
> > be able to trade on the net as you.
>
> Will readers please note that:
>
> (1) The above is not necessarily true.
>
> (2) "CityScope Net" is *not* connected to CityScape Internet Services Ltd.
>
********************************
ALSO NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
********************************
The charges quoted appear to be *** in addition *** to the fees charged
by the naming authorities:
$100 per year to set up and $50 per year after two years for .com domains
#100 per year to set up and #50 per year after two years for .co.uk domains
(from 1st June this year),
I have no idea what the maintenance fee stated is supposet to cover - as
all the maintenance required is covered by the fee to the naming authority.
Some ISPs - sadly not Demon - and Web Space providers (errmmm... no...
I'll put the plug in the sig where it belongs) will set up a domain on
your behalf without making charges for the service themselves. Which,
incidentally requires very little time or effort!
So you only pay the InterNic or the UK equivalent Nominet (I *think* that's
its name! It only started officially on 1st June) fees.
Register your own domain if you think will be good for your image,
BUT DON'T part with cash unnecessarily!
--
Brian
http://www.myriad-s.com
webWorks General
Why is it 100 dollars US
and 100 pounds UK ?
-john-
webWorks
Richard Letts
General Role Account (enqu...@myriad-s.com) wrote:
) I have no idea what the maintenance fee stated is supposet to cover - as
) all the maintenance required is covered by the fee to the naming authority.
'moves and changes'. quite a but of the fee will be overheads.
) Some ISPs - sadly not Demon - and Web Space providers (errmmm... no...
) I'll put the plug in the sig where it belongs) will set up a domain on
) your behalf without making charges for the service themselves. Which,
) incidentally requires very little time or effort!
agreed, but then you'll be invoicing for something else, and you know the
moves and changes will be due to you re-organising your web-service rather
than a customer changing ISPs and needing their DNS records updating.
[okay, many people will take their IP address with them, but not their
ISP-assigned IPv6 address.....]
RjL
+----------------------------+
| ric...@illuin.demon.co.uk | Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
+----------------------------+
General Role Account
In article <835133...@dasl.demon.co.uk>
w...@dasl.demon.co.uk "webWorks General" writes:
Because it is!
They are the charges set by InterNic who control the .com domain and
Nominet(?) who control the .co.uk domain.
As they are effectively monopolies - they can set the charges at whatever
they choose.
The UK prices came into force on the 1st June this year.
I believe that the reason for setting it so high is so that they can
offer substantial discounts to their members, through who you have to go
(I believe) at the moment to get your site registered.
I believe there are plans to introduce an on-line registration form so
you can register direct.
To actually use a domain, you need to register two nameservers for it via
your ISP, web space provider, etc. The charges for this can range anywhere
from nothing, to several hundred pounds per year = check with your
providers...
Domains within some countries are still unregulated... and free.
However your company is normally expected to have some kind of presence
in that country before a domain can be registered.
--
Brian
Myriad Services http://myriad-s.com
General Role Account
In article <4q72h6$l...@illuin.demon.co.uk>
ric...@illuin.demon.co.uk "Richard Letts" writes:
> General Role Account (enqu...@myriad-s.com) wrote:
> ) I have no idea what the maintenance fee stated is supposet to cover - as
> ) all the maintenance required is covered by the fee to the naming authority.
>
> 'moves and changes'. quite a but of the fee will be overheads.
The InterNic/Nominet fee I understand...
What I do not understand is the 10 ukp per annum maintenance fee to
third party who appeared only to be organising reservation of domain names,
not to host them: i.e. a fee in addition to the $50/#50 fee and any
charges made by the ISP or server operator hosting the domain...
Perhaps I misread the original??? Perhaps the poster would like to clarify
what they are in fact offering...
> ) Some ISPs - sadly not Demon - and Web Space providers (errmmm... no...
> ) I'll put the plug in the sig where it belongs) will set up a domain on
> ) your behalf without making charges for the service themselves. Which,
> ) incidentally requires very little time or effort!
>
> agreed, but then you'll be invoicing for something else, and you know the
> moves and changes will be due to you re-organising your web-service rather
> than a customer changing ISPs and needing their DNS records updating.
> [okay, many people will take their IP address with them, but not their
> ISP-assigned IPv6 address.....]
>
True... I know of one UK comapny that charges around 180 ukp per year for
their only service that includes domain hosting... A little excessive
don't you think when at least one (good!) U.S. server operator offers much
the same for $12??
Guess the message is "Shop Around"
Nick Hixson
enqu...@myriad-s.com (General Role Account) wrote:
>In article <4q4o1d$s...@ns.cityscape.co.uk>
> cd...@ns.cityscape.co.uk "Clive Feather" writes:
>> In article <4q4jrp$b...@news.cityscope.net>,
>> Paul Stokes <pa...@lightspeed.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Most of you will know this anyway but, if you are considering doing business
>> > via the internet registering your company name will ensure that you
>> > reserve the rights to that name on the internet and that no-one else will
>> > be able to trade on the net as you.
>>
>> Will readers please note that:
>>
>> (1) The above is not necessarily true.
>>
>> (2) "CityScope Net" is *not* connected to CityScape Internet Services Ltd.
>>
>********************************
>ALSO NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>********************************
>The charges quoted appear to be *** in addition *** to the fees charged
>by the naming authorities:
>$100 per year to set up and $50 per year after two years for .com domains
>#100 per year to set up and #50 per year after two years for .co.uk domains
>(from 1st June this year),
>I have no idea what the maintenance fee stated is supposet to cover - as
>all the maintenance required is covered by the fee to the naming authority.
>Some ISPs - sadly not Demon - and Web Space providers (errmmm... no...
>I'll put the plug in the sig where it belongs) will set up a domain on
>your behalf without making charges for the service themselves. Which,
>incidentally requires very little time or effort!
True up to just above here - not a huge amount of time and effort
admittedly, but use of IP address etcetc uses up resource (Iassume
that the name will be actually used of course, and this is not a move
just to muck up a potential other user with a similar name)
Nick Hixson
cd...@ns.cityscape.co.uk (Clive Feather) wrote:
>In article <4q4jrp$b...@news.cityscope.net>,
>Paul Stokes <pa...@lightspeed.co.uk> wrote:
>> Most of you will know this anyway but, if you are considering doing business
>> via the internet registering your company name will ensure that you
>> reserve the rights to that name on the internet and that no-one else will
>> be able to trade on the net as you.
...but as Clive points out below, you can use a very similar and
potentailly misleading name. Great for someone who wants to sell
naming services! The whole point of naming whether here or in RL, is
that you do not confuse the public, unless you are trying to of
course. I assume Paul is not trying to, but it is unfortunate isn't
it!
>Will readers please note that:
>(1) The above is not necessarily true.
>(2) "CityScope Net" is *not* connected to CityScape Internet Services Ltd.
Gary
webWorks General wrote:
>
> Why is it 100 dollars US
> and 100 pounds UK ?
>
> -john-
> webWorks
Because were so used to being ripped off that on the whole we don't notice,
and if we do we don't complain or boycott
Gary
Paul Stokes
In article <4q8a80$f...@tyr.bournemouth-net.co.uk>, ni...@post.bournemouth.net
says...
>a lot of stuff snipped to save space
It appears that my original posting stirred up a little interest.
Unfortunately I missed the initial reactions due to pressure of work. I will
search the archives to catch up later. However to answer a few points raised
in the last four or five posts:
Brian from Myriad discussed the cost of UK naming vs US naming. The situation
is as follows.
US naming costs 100 usd paid directly to InterNIC to cover the first two years
of registration plus whatever charge your agent makes for setting up domain
naming services and/or doing the leg work for you (we charge 60 pds to set up
name servers, "do the leg work", etc). After the first two years InterNIC will
charge you 50 usd per annum to keep the name. As to why they charge 50 usd per
year and what they do with it? Well thats a whole different kettle of fish.
See the InterNIC web page for details.
UK naming is currently set up differently. There is a one off fee to register
the name. This fee is divided between the UK naming committee, the person(s)
providing the name servers and the agent. This fee is usually in the region of
100pds (we charge 80pds). I must emphasis that this fee is _not_ in addition
to the naming committee fee as one respondent suggested. It _includes_ their
cut.
The way in which UK names are charged for is in flux. The UK naming committee
is discussing the concept of changing the charge for UK names from a one off
fee to an annual fee with a similar set up to the US naming system. I have
heard figures in the region of 100 pds to 150 pds suggested as annual fees but
this has not yet been decided. It has also not been decided if people with
domain names already registered will have to pay this fee
a)now,
b)sometime in the future, or
c)ever.
This new system has _not_ been implemented yet. The next meeting of the
committee is on the 27th of July. Thus registering a name now _may_ save you
money in the long run.
Brian and others also discussed the maintenance fee charges, specifically the
10 pds per year we charge. As Brian said you need name servers set up along
with your registration. Idealy, these should be in different locations (see
below). We are not simply an agent. We also host a name server. The 10 pds a
year fee is designed to keep our customers in contact with us and to cover any
changes those customers may wish to make to their registration on our name
server.
In order to understand the reasons behind this fee it is necessary to
understand the way in which domain names work.
When a domain name is registerd a record is set up on the naming database that
points to two name servers (Brian from Myriad didn't quite have it right. The
name servers are required to register the name not just to use it). When a
call goes out on the net for address www.name.co.uk the naming database points
the request at the first of the name servers registered against name.co.uk.
That name server then points the request at whatever is in it's database
against www.name.co.uk. If name server 1 fails for whatever reason, name
server 2 kicks in. (Hence its a good thing to have the two name servers on
totally different sections of the net, not on the end of the same bit of
electric string).
The set-up fee we charge covers the initial set up of the name server records
(www.name.co.uk, ftp.name.co.uk, mail.name.co.uk, etc.) admin, etc.
The 10 pds annual fee covers any changes (to point at a different isp for
instance) or additions the owner may wish to make to their name entry on the
name server plus the use of the resource, namely the name server, the machine
it resides on, the bandwidth, electricity, etc. It costs us considerable sums
to run our system. We pass on a very small part of that cost to the customer
(less than most people would spend down the pub in one night).
I'm not sure why Clive got in on the act with the cityscope, cityscape bit as I
missed the original post. Perhaps someone would mail his contribution to me.
There was also a contribution headed ALSO NOTE. I couldn't sort out the
indents but I think it was from Brian again. It implied that the charges we
make are in addition to the naming committees charge. This is not so. At
present we charge 80 pds to register a .co.uk name. Naming committee bit, name
server bit, everything. Until the naming committee change their minds we will
continue to charge 80 pds. It's true that shortly the system may change to
allow you to register your own name... ...for 100 pds plus the cost of name
server service. As is often the case with agents vs direct buying, the agents
can usually get better deals than individuals buying directly.
As someone said, it's an image thing. If your business warrents having your
own domain name then do it.
Comments to news and via mail.
Paul Stokes
Andrew Crane
> >a lot of stuff snipped to save space
>There is a one off fee to register
> the name. This fee is divided between the UK naming committee, the person(s)
> providing the name servers and the agent. This fee is usually in the
region of
> 100pds (we charge 80pds). I must emphasis that this fee is _not_ in addition
> to the naming committee fee as one respondent suggested. It _includes_ their
> cut.
This is entirely incorrect. The naming committee currently takes no money.
The service provider takes the money for providing the DNS and making the
registration.
>I have
> heard figures in the region of 100 pds to 150 pds suggested as annual
fees but
> this has not yet been decided. It has also not been decided if people with
> domain names already registered will have to pay this fee
Nominet are proposing to charge ukp100 for the first two years. People
with an existing domain registered will have a 'free' year and their
renewal is proposed to be due on 1st August 1997.
> This new system has _not_ been implemented yet. The next meeting of the
> committee is on the 27th of July. Thus registering a name now _may_ save you
> money in the long run.
It almost certainly will, but not through a bucket registration scheme.
Most providers charge for their DNS and for virtual web servers and the
actual registration is incidental. If you register through xyz bucket
registrations and then get your, say, web service from Demon, Demon will
charge you the same to use your existing domain as to register a new one.
In fact it is easier for the ISP to register a new domain than to attempt
redelegation from a bucket shop.
> When a domain name is registerd a record is set up on the naming
database that
> points to two name servers (Brian from Myriad didn't quite have it
right. The
> name servers are required to register the name not just to use it).
This is because of a rule rather than a technical need. A domain name
could equally just have a TXT record in it and point nowhere.
>call goes out on the net for address www.name.co.uk the naming database points
> the request at the first of the name servers registered against name.co.uk.
> That name server then points the request at whatever is in it's database
> against www.name.co.uk. If name server 1 fails for whatever reason, name
> server 2 kicks in.
The NS entries in the root nameserver actually point to the primary and
secondary nameservers. The primary's main function is to provide the
information to the secondaries. Having said this, modern BIND attempts to
load share between all nameservers listed.
Andrew.
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Paul Stokes
Paul Stokes wrote:
> UK naming is currently set up differently. There is a one off fee to register
> the name. This fee is divided between the UK naming committee, the person(s)
> providing the name servers and the agent. This fee is usually in the region of
> 100pds (we charge 80pds). I must emphasis that this fee is _not_ in addition
> to the naming committee fee as one respondent suggested. It _includes_ their
> cut.
Whoops. Little mistake here. Reading the post after pressing the send button
(fatal mistake) I realised that I'd missed a vital word. It should read "divided
between the UK naming committee member (i.e the person who can make
registrations)... ...includes the naming committee member cut..."
Apologies
PaulS
General Role Account
In article <4rba62$2...@florence.scotnet.co.uk>
pa...@lightspeed.co.uk "Paul Stokes" writes:
>
> 100pds (we charge 80pds). I must emphasis that this fee is _not_ in addition
> to the naming committee fee as one respondent suggested. It _includes_ their
> cut.
>
Paul,
Thanks for the clarification. My point was that under the previous naming
system we had encountered companies who quoted prices which were in addition
to to fees charged by others for actually doing the work! My note to the
group was to suggest people check on that first before agreeing to anything.
Thanks for making it clear that your charges are for what they appear to
be! :)
Brian
Aled Morris
pa...@lightspeed.co.uk (Paul Stokes) wrote:
> As is often the case with agents vs direct buying, the agents
>can usually get better deals than individuals buying directly.
I don't understand why this should be the case on the Internet. The
effort in processing a name application is the same if it comes from
an ISP vs. any other Internet user.
The InterNIC have got this right, at least. If you want to register
lots of addresses, for example you are an ISP, you can open an account
and have simplified billing. Same price per name though.
There should be no "ISP discount".
Aled
--
tel +44 973 207987 O-
Alex.Bligh
(Followups set to uk.net as the dist lne on this is approaching
spam)
Aled Morris wrote:
>
> pa...@lightspeed.co.uk (Paul Stokes) wrote:
>
> > As is often the case with agents vs direct buying, the agents
> >can usually get better deals than individuals buying directly.
>
> I don't understand why this should be the case on the Internet. The
> effort in processing a name application is the same if it comes from
> an ISP vs. any other Internet user.
>
> The InterNIC have got this right, at least. If you want to register
> lots of addresses, for example you are an ISP, you can open an account
> and have simplified billing. Same price per name though.
>
> There should be no "ISP discount".
>
> Aled
> --
> tel +44 973 207987 O-
You should not assume that just because the Internic have done
it one way, it's the correct way. I know of several people who,
for instance, received only the red reminder, or worse, no
reminder, before their domain name was cut off.
The ISP discount is essentially available to anyone (yourself
included) who wants to handle the billing. You pay to become
a steering committee member (500 quid), and after roughly
10 registrations (and thus saving NOMINET the hassle of sending
10 bills, 10 sets of postage, 10 sets of time etc. etc.) you
will break even, and of course your marginal cost of registration
will be substantially lower. The reason for this is the cost
of processing a name application from a steering committee member
is *substantially* lower than from an individual, both through
bulk billing, through the procedures in terms of dealing with the
paperwork and because the steering committee members who
will have registered many names before will hopefully be more
proficient than Joe Public.
I hope as many independent consultants become members as possible
(grin :-) ). Remember the old system effectively had an ISP
discount. ISPs got the names for free and punters paid an
arbitrary figure.
--
Alex Bligh
Xara Networks
Paul Stokes
Andrew Crane wrote a lot of stuff that has apparently, based on the e-mails I've been getting,
muddied the waters. See comments below:
> a lot of stuff snipped to save space
>
> > heard figures in the region of 100 pds to 150 pds suggested as annual fees but
> > this has not yet been decided. It has also not been decided if people with
> > domain names already registered will have to pay this fee
>
> with an existing domain registered will have a 'free' year and their
> renewal is proposed to be due on 1st August 1997.
I repeat. This has _not_ been decided yet. Until the meeting towards the end of this month
no-one, not even members of the naming committee, know what the final outcome will be.
> > This new system has _not_ been implemented yet. The next meeting of the
> > committee is on the 27th of July. Thus registering a name now _may_ save you
> > money in the long run.
>
> It almost certainly will, but not through a bucket registration scheme.
> Most providers charge for their DNS and for virtual web servers and the
> actual registration is incidental. If you register through xyz bucket
> registrations and then get your, say, web service from Demon, Demon will
> charge you the same to use your existing domain as to register a new one.
> In fact it is easier for the ISP to register a new domain than to attempt
> redelegation from a bucket shop.
Oh where to start. With the implied libel (you really should be carefull what you publish
Andrew), with the misdirection re Demon? Three points to make here.
1) Demon aren't the only supplier of Web services (in fact they are relatively expensive
compared to many).
2) They charge according to their web services price list
(http://www.demon.co.uk/www/FAQ/pricelist.html) a minimum of 25 pds per month for 5 megs, plus
50 pds to set it up, _plus_ (if I read it correctly) 200 pds per year to let you use _your_
domain name on their server (they call it web forwarding). With those prices of course they can
afford to hide the cost of domain registration in the set-up and annual running costs. Most
other web prividers--ourselves included--charge the same for virtual web space (aka web
forwarding) as for ordinary web space. We make a slightly higher charge to set up (which
reflects part of the cost of setting up the site) and then charge the same. BTW, Demon also
charge 100 pds to set up a .com or .org ... ... presumably on top of the 100 USD InterNIC
charges).
If you like Demon then stick with them. But there are cheaper/better alternatives.
3) Most reputable suppliers of nameing services--again ourselves included--bend over backwards
to assist with redelegation, redirection or whatever and _make no charge for this service_.
> > When a domain name is registerd a record is set up on the naming database that
> > points to two name servers (Brian from Myriad didn't quite have it> right. The
> > name servers are required to register the name not just to use it).
>
> This is because of a rule rather than a technical need. A domain name
> could equally just have a TXT record in it and point nowhere.
Whether it is rule or technical need (not that I said it was a technical need) it is _still_ a
requirement! It _has_ to point to existing name servers. I don't see the point of this
comment.
> >call goes out on the net for address www.name.co.uk the naming database points
> > the request at the first of the name servers registered against name.co.uk.
> > That name server then points the request at whatever is in it's database
> > against www.name.co.uk. If name server 1 fails for whatever reason, name
> > server 2 kicks in.
>
> The NS entries in the root nameserver actually point to the primary and
> secondary nameservers. The primary's main function is to provide the
> information to the secondaries. Having said this, modern BIND attempts to
> load share between all nameservers listed.
What is the point you're trying to make here? We can all chuck buzz words around and make the
answer to a simple query totally incomprehensible to the person who asked it. What you have
said is correct after a fashion but why bring it up at all? I was attempting to explain in a
jargon free fashion why having name servers on different parts of the web was a "GoodThing".
> Andrew.
>
> --
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Hope that clears a few things up.
PaulS
Alexander Stigsen
enqu...@myriad-s.com (General Role Account) wrote:
>In article <4rba62$2...@florence.scotnet.co.uk>
> pa...@lightspeed.co.uk "Paul Stokes" writes:
>>
>> 100pds (we charge 80pds). I must emphasis that this fee is _not_ in addition
>> to the naming committee fee as one respondent suggested. It _includes_ their
>> cut.
>>
>Paul,
>Thanks for the clarification. My point was that under the previous naming
>system we had encountered companies who quoted prices which were in addition
>to to fees charged by others for actually doing the work! My note to the
>group was to suggest people check on that first before agreeing to anything.
>Thanks for making it clear that your charges are for what they appear to
>be! :)
There are sites where you can register your domain name for free
(interNIC charges still apply though), and it includes the routing to
your email and IP. Check out:
http://www.cybercity.dk/users/ccc4864/gen/
Regards..
Alexander Stigsen
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(no extra charges for trafik).
You can find more information at: