ibm-compadible vs the Mac
The Obsessive C. Capps
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_q...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> it's more popular.
Generally, the only readson WinTel computers have the advantage over the Mac
is the sheer number of WinTels in existance. I'm not going to bother going any
further than that. Both systems function well and neither is "superior".
The Obsessive C. Capps (ICQ 3398809)
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t.cruise
Do it quick, before the MAC becomes obsolete.
T.C.
Joey Peace
In article <_q_-200997...@yak-ts2-p15.wolfenet.com>,
_q...@geocities.com wrote:
> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> it's more popular.
There are several reasons why Macs are better that Pc's. For example
there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze 95
machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting or
risking crashing, try nesting a document withing 30 folders, windoze 95
says the path name is too long and on mac it doens't matter. Try using a
second monitor as more desktop space, can't do it on a pC but a mac yeah
its real easy. Ask any wintel user haw long it took them to get an
extrernal Hardrive or anything up and runnin if it was more that a hour
MAcs win again. By the way what is a Diver Mac come with all the hardware
needed to run multimedia. Oh yeah where did the reported pulg 'n; play
that good ol' Bill promised, never showed up did it. Finally We mac user
have no worries about losing document id or losing a shortcut because we
move an application. Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their
computers think is 1900 again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong
just fine. Hop this answers your question
Daniel T.
>I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
>advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
>Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
>it's more popular.
I figure this has got to be a troll, but just in case it's not, I
encourage *everybody* to send him (via e-mail) as complete a list as you
can!
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Dunedin, FL
The Obsessive C. Capps
Joey Peace wrote:
[snip]
You've got a few of your facts screwed up.
> There are several reasons why Macs are better that Pc's. For example
> there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze 95
> machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting or
> risking crashing,
There is a utility from Microsoft called QuickRes that allows you to change
resolution and color depth on the fly. There is no crashing possibility with
properly written programs.
> try nesting a document withing 30 folders, windoze 95 says the path name is too long
> and on mac it doens't matter.
I've got a few documents nested roughly 30 folders deep with no problems.
> Try using a second monitor as more desktop space, can't do it on a pC but a mac yeah
> its real easy.
To be fixed in Win98. The PC is finally catching up with the Mac.
> Ask any wintel user haw long it took them to get an
> extrernal Hardrive or anything up and runnin if it was more that a hour
> MAcs win again. By the way what is a Diver Mac come with all the hardware
> needed to run multimedia. Oh yeah where did the reported pulg 'n; play
> that good ol' Bill promised, never showed up did it. Finally We mac user
> have no worries about losing document id or losing a shortcut because we
> move an application.
Ok, you've got a few good points.
> Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their
> computers think is 1900 again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong
> just fine. Hop this answers your question
That is a COMPLETE falsehood. EVERY WinTel computer is Y2K compliant. It is
only CERTAIN software that does not support Y2K. The earliest date that PCs can
be set to is January 1st, 1980, by the way.
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
The Obsessive C. Capps didn't bother to edit the follow-up and is just
as guilty as the original poster:
>
> Joey Peace cross-posted this to dozens of groups, many of which are clearly inappropriate given the topic:
> [snip]
>
follow-ups edited to get this tripe out of UNIX/X/CDE newsgroups.
And who really gives a shit anyway. Pick the right tool for the job.
If the right tool for the job is a Mac, use a Mac. If the right tool is
Unix, use Unix. If you believe Bill Gates and his company's marketing,
then perhaps their products might work for you.
Steve Chapman
.There are several reasons why Macs are better that Pc's. For example
.there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze 95
.machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting or
.risking crashing,
Do it all the time. WIN95 OSR2 supports it as well as many video card
drivers.
.try nesting a document withing 30 folders, windoze 95 says the path name
is .too long and on mac it doens't matter.
Actually, under WIN95, you are limited to a 256 folder depth. Then again, a
depth of more than 4 becomes a hassle regardless of the platform.
.Try using a second monitor as more desktop space, can't do it on a pC but
a .mac yeah its real easy.
It can be done, but yes, it's not easy. However, WIN98 will support up to
nine monitors.
.Ask any wintel user haw long it took them to get an extrernal Hardrive or
anything up and runnin if it was more that a hour.
First of all, most PC users don't need to use an external device, they
usually have ample expansion room inside. I just would hate all those
cables hanging out the back of my system. But as for me, I can install an
internal EIDE hard-drive, format it, install WIN95 and drivers and be up
and running in under an hour.
Do most MACies like having all those cables sprouting out of their boxes?
.MAcs win again. By the way what is a Diver Mac come with all the hardware
needed to run multimedia.
Ummm, the vast majority of PCs come with full multimedia support. I know
mine did.
.Oh yeah where did the reported pulg 'n; play that good ol' Bill promised,
never .showed up did it.
I would be the first to say that the MAC's Plug 'n Play is superior to that
of the PC. However, keep in mind that the PC's Plug 'n Play is only a
couple of years in the making. Apple has been trying to perfect it for over
10.
As for my personal experiences, I've yet to have a problem with it, even
with non-PnP peripherals.
.Finally We mac user have no worries about losing document id or losing a
shortcut because we move an application.
That's funny, I can move an file to a different drive, rename it and still
not lose it. The shortcut finds it every time.
.Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their computers think is 1900
.again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong just fine. Hop this
answers .your question.
First of all, very few PC's built after '93 will have this problem and most
systems bought before this time have been upgraded to newer machines.
Most PC systems in use today use the four digit year as does mine.
It's not quite the problem certain people wish it to be.
Bruce
AT LEAST PC'S HAVE SPELL CHECKERS, OVIOUSLY YOUR MAC DOESNT
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Joey Peace wrote:
> In article <_q_-200997...@yak-ts2-p15.wolfenet.com>,
> _q...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> > I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> > advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> > Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> > it's more popular.
>
> There are several reasons why Macs are better that Pc's. For example
> there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze 95
> machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting or
> risking crashing, try nesting a document withing 30 folders, windoze 95
> says the path name is too long and on mac it doens't matter. Try using a
> second monitor as more desktop space, can't do it on a pC but a mac yeah
> its real easy. Ask any wintel user haw long it took them to get an
> extrernal Hardrive or anything up and runnin if it was more that a hour
> MAcs win again. By the way what is a Diver Mac come with all the hardware
> needed to run multimedia. Oh yeah where did the reported pulg 'n; play
> that good ol' Bill promised, never showed up did it. Finally We mac user
> have no worries about losing document id or losing a shortcut because we
> move an application. Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their
> computers think is 1900 again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong
> just fine. Hop this answers your question
PC's support applications with spell check too!
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Stevebarke
In article <_q_-200997...@yak-ts2-p15.wolfenet.com>,
_q...@geocities.com writes:
>Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
>it's more popular.
Wouldn't those be the main 2 reasons. You wouldn't buy a car that cost
more than all the rest that you couldn't get parts for, now would you?
BTW since this was cross posted, I'll never see the replies unless they
are again cross posted to where ever I saw it.
Steve Barker
From Beautiful Downtown Stilwell, Kansas
Land of Oz
steve...@aol.com
Finn Jorgensen
Please stop this "my machine is better than yours" discussion or, if
you absolutely have to join in, cut down the newsgroups line to
contain only the "advocacy" groups where it might be considered
appropriate.
Note that this obvious flame-bait was posted by the original poster to
dozens of inappropriate groups :
alt.business.home.pc,
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,
alt.pcnews,
alt.sys.pc-clone.acer,
alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq,
alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,
alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,
alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,
alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell,
alt.sys.pc-clone.quantex,
alt.sys.pc-clone.zeos,
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d,
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted,
comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,
comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,
fr.comp.sys.pc,
pl.comp.sys.pc-unix,
swnet.sys.ibm.pc,
alt.os.windows95.crash.crash.crash,
alt.windows95,
francom.ms.windows,
alt.windows,
alt.windows.cde,
alt.windows.text,
alt.windows95.beta,
comp.windows.misc,
comp.windows.x,ed.windows.x,
fj.windows.misc,
fj.windows.ms,
fj.windows.x,
relcom.comp.os.windows.prog,
relcom.comp.os.windows,
fr.comp.windows.ms,
alt.sources.mac,
alt.sys.mac.newuser-help,
uw.mfcf.hardware.mac,
aus.computers.mac,
comp.emulators.mac.executor,
aus.mac,bcs.sig.mac,
sfnet.atk.mac,
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,
francom.comp.macintosh
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Carl Thomas
In article <34249D9C...@HotMail.Com>, C_C...@HotMail.Com wrote:
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>
>>
>> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
>> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
>> Windows/DOS vs the MAC.
What a pittiful troll.
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First let me say I am a WinTel/Win95 user. I've always been a full
supporter of Microsoft, Windows, and WinTel mechines. Here's the suprise,
I'm beginning to wonder if Windows is for me. This is because of the
"Internet Based" direction of the Win95/NT OS. Am I the only one unhappy
with Microsoft's intension to integrate IE4 into the Windows98 OS, turning
the entire GUI into a Browser/Internet Application?
Before anyone points it out, I know you can shut off most of the "Web View"
features using the Display Properties diolog, but that will not completely
rid you of all the web-centric options, menus, permenant taskbar icons, and
Internet Explorer style menu bars that litter the entire OS. Many who've
beta tested IE4 w/shell intergration say it's slowed their systems down
considerably. These are Pentiums exceeding 133z w/32MB of RAM and above.
All this Web View business seems less a functional enhancement and more a
bunch of "cool, hip, trendy" window dressing by MS in an effort to convert
the PC into an Entertainment/Internet Jukebox. I, and I would assume some
others, don't need or want their OS to be an Internet Application within
itself.
I'm beginng to think if you need a computer to do more than simply "Surf,
Browse, and generally fool around on the web..." you might consider a high
end Mac. The only questionable aspect this is current condition of Apple
and availability of software (note: MS recently recommited itself to the
Mac platform, Office98 for Mac will be out soon). I'm about a year away
from my next computer purchase, we'll see where things stand then, both
with Apple and Microsoft.
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_q...@geocities.com wrote in article
<_q_-200997...@yak-ts2-p15.wolfenet.com>...
> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
mark t. horbal
Macs make good paperweights, especially the classics and earlier. They
are easier to lift than PC's and they have a handle in the back.
Removing the keyboard reduces desk clutter.
(sorry, I just couldn't resist it)
Mark
Charles Duffy
> > > I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> > > advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> > > Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> > > it's more popular.
> >
> > there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze 95
> > machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting or
> > risking crashing, try nesting a document withing 30 folders, windoze 95
> > says the path name is too long and on mac it doens't matter. Try using a
> > second monitor as more desktop space, can't do it on a pC but a mac yeah
> > its real easy. Ask any wintel user haw long it took them to get an
> > extrernal Hardrive or anything up and runnin if it was more that a hour
> > MAcs win again. By the way what is a Diver Mac come with all the hardware
> > needed to run multimedia. Oh yeah where did the reported pulg 'n; play
> > that good ol' Bill promised, never showed up did it. Finally We mac user
> > have no worries about losing document id or losing a shortcut because we
> > move an application. Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their
> > computers think is 1900 again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong
> > just fine. Hop this answers your question
This is, frankly, a bunch of bull. Allow me to answer each of these
individually.
Moniter depth: Easy, if 'yer using a current version of Win95 or (far
better) X Windows (for Linux).
Nesting a document within 30 folders: Who needs to do this? Trivial! And
it doesn't affect Linux.
Second monitor: I'm a programmer. I have two monitors and they work just
fine. It's an OS problem; It can be made to work in Win98 or any machine
with special software. Or with X Windows.
External HD: Not if 'yer using SCSI. Plug 'n Play, buddy!
Drivers - Macs use 'em too. Know how 'ya have to install "extensions" to
use some hardware? Besides, it's a price to be paid for greater
availability of hardware.
PNP: Yes, it showed up. It's right there in Win95. And Linux.
Moving programs: Win95 *will* search for a program and update the
shortcut or other info. Ever realized that?
2000 Bug: Only affects old PCs with really old BIOSes. Very rare. Plus
fixes are available.
And, finally, sorry 'bout the cross-posting.
Charles Duffy
And, finally, sorry 'bout the cross-posting. I'm just too lazy to filter
out the included newsgroups.
Chris
HAAAaaahaahahahaha. Good one!
Chris.
Who Knows
To bad the Mac does not include a spell check.
Joey Peace wrote in article ...
>In article <_q_-200997...@yak-ts2-p15.wolfenet.com>,
>_q...@geocities.com wrote:
Bob Laughlin
Who Knows <Unk...@Anywhere.com> wrote in article
<34269...@oasis.idirect.com>...
> To bad the Mac does not include a spell check.
>
Who the hell cares if you can spell if you've got nothing to say in the
first place??
Peter Scott
As far as I'm concerned, Macs are far and away the better platform to
work with, I have had experience with both (Mac & Windows) and find Macs
easier and less complicated to use, I run a couple of businesses and
since I switched to the Mac my productivity has increased significantly.
Put simply, I just know it's going to work.
Cheers,
Peter Scott.
Image Disk Photography.
http://www.imagedisk.com.au/
Patrice Hurtrez
_q...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> it's more popular.
--
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Patrice...@wanadoo.fr
Paul Ryan
Visit the business opportunity section of my web site and look at an
opportunity to earn a substatial income
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Dan Eveland
Get a life, and learn how to spell.
Joey Peace <peac...@att.net.hk> wrote in article
<peaceman-210...@ppp1-54.att.net.hk>...
> In article <_q_-200997...@yak-ts2-p15.wolfenet.com>,
> _q...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> > I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the
biggest
> > advantage of their computer over that of the other computer,
specifically
> > Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software
availlable or
> > it's more popular.
>
> There are several reasons why Macs are better that Pc's. For
example
> there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze
95
> machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting
or
Mine does not even require me to go to control panels, or keep a
control-strip on the desktop.
> risking crashing, try nesting a document withing 30 folders,
windoze 95
> says the path name is too long and on mac it doens't matter. Try
using a
Maybe for old DOS stuff. Mine work fine. And the file names are
longer on Win95 too!
> second monitor as more desktop space, can't do it on a pC but a mac
yeah
> its real easy. Ask any wintel user haw long it took them to get an
> extrernal Hardrive or anything up and runnin if it was more that a
hour
> MAcs win again. By the way what is a Diver Mac come with all the
hardware
Ask a Mac user how to mount a removable drive! Lets see, SCSIProbe
was last upgraded... about five years ago? Which driver?
Silverlining? FWB? SCSI driver conflicts happen in the Mac world,
idiot! At least Windows 95 has uniform, efficient drivers. Apple
does not even HAVE a removable disk drivers, they rely on
questionable third-parties (except Iomega who have the best
software). If you put a removable drive on your SCSI chain on a Mac,
NOTHING HAPPENS! If you put it on a Windows 95 system, IT WORKS!
> needed to run multimedia. Oh yeah where did the reported pulg 'n;
play
Multimedia? Like MPEG? Think again, and take a look at your system
a little closer. MPEG and other stuff runs perfectly on Windows 95.
Apple finally took a hint from Bill and put a music video on the
MacOS CD like Bill did in 1995.
But, your right about Plug n' Play. It works well for me, but it
could be a lot better.
> that good ol' Bill promised, never showed up did it. Finally We
mac user
> have no worries about losing document id or losing a shortcut
because we
> move an application. Finally wehre will all the PC users be when
their
Try moving something that has an Alias assigned to it lately?
Sometimes it finds it, sometimes it cannot. Can you re-link it like
the Windows 95 shortcut? NO Will the system search for it? NO
But, you are right about moving applications. If you don't get the
folder name right on install, forget about it!
> computers think is 1900 again in three years. Mac will be chuggin
allong
> just fine. Hop this answers your question
Think again. You Mac-bigots always compare the latest MacOS to some
stripped-down ancient Windows release. I have been using Macs since
1984. My system runs MacOS 8, and still has a row of extensions
wider then the monitor (one and a half rows) just to make it
functional (on a 800-something by 600-sonething resolution).
I run Adobe Illustrator 7, Adobe PageMaker 6.5 and Photoshop 4 on
both platforms, as well as Microsoft Office. If it were not for the
TIFF-based previews of PC DTP EPS files (as opposed to the
much-superior PICT-based Mac previews), the MacOS would offer nothing
to the art community except familiarity with what they run now, and
the pleasure of being forced into the dark, dusty corners of computer
stores. "Oh, Mac stuff? Ya, I think we have some. You'll have to
talk to Joe, he's the only one who knows about Macs."
If you use good software, and configure the systems properly, then
both are great. Steve Jobs admits himself that the MacOS is lacking,
and behind the times of the modern OS.
The Mac is the next TI 99/4A or Amiga. Great idea, bad execution.
Dan
Sam Friedman
>_q...@geocities.com wrote:
>>
>> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
>> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
>> Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
>> it's more popular.
>Et la netetiquette alors????On est sur un reseau francais que je sache!
>--
>Cordialement
>Patrice...@wanadoo.fr
Great !!! Finally somebody says the right thing. Please everybody!!!! DO
NOT reply to this message !!! It's crossfuck'nposting and please take
action to stop it !!
Stevebarke
In article <34281A...@wanadoo.fr>, Patrice Hurtrez
<Patrice...@wanadoo.fr> writes:
>Et la netetiquette alors????On est sur un reseau francais que je sache!
>--
>Cordialement
>P
HUH?
unforgiven
> shortcut because we move an application.
>
> not lose it. The shortcut finds it every time.
>
> .Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their computers think is 1900
> .again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong just fine. Hop this
> answers .your question.
>
> First of all, very few PC's built after '93 will have this problem and most
> systems bought before this time have been upgraded to newer machines.
> Most PC systems in use today use the four digit year as does mine.
> It's not quite the problem certain people wish it to be.
>
>
I agree with Steve. For the most part, I wouldn't give up my PC because
it can do everything a MAC can. I also have a much wider selection of
hardware, software, and peripherals. I will say that high end MACs have
some advantages, in areas like video editing, but for overall
performance and expandability, I won't give up my PC.
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Steve Chapman wrote:
There are Windows apps to change this.
> That's funny, I can move an file to a different drive, rename it and still
> not lose it. The shortcut finds it every time.
>
> .Finally wehre will all the PC users be when their computers think is 1900
> .again in three years. Mac will be chuggin allong just fine. Hop this
> answers .your question.
>
> First of all, very few PC's built after '93 will have this problem and most
> systems bought before this time have been upgraded to newer machines.
> Most PC systems in use today use the four digit year as does mine.
> It's not quite the problem certain people wish it to be.
>
Macs are great computers - however, less and less software is being made
for them, and Win95 is actually better.
You CAN change resolutions and color-depths without restarting. Look for
QuickColor.
You CAN have up to 138 monitors with Win95. Just use USB ports.
You CAN nest files up to as many folders as you want. I have tried it.
You CAN have an external hard drive. I have one, but I don't use it
because I don't need to.
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Sam Friedman wrote:
> In article <34281A...@wanadoo.fr>, Patrice...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
>
> >_q...@geocities.com wrote:
> >>
> >> I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> >> advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> >> Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> >> it's more popular.
> >Et la netetiquette alors????On est sur un reseau francais que je sache!
> >--
> >Cordialement
> >Patrice...@wanadoo.fr
>
> Great !!! Finally somebody says the right thing. Please everybody!!!! DO
> NOT reply to this message !!! It's crossfuck'nposting and please take
> action to stop it !!
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This looks like a troll. Let's kill it -- it generates
much heat but no light.
andre abreu
>
> I'm beginng to think if you need a computer to do more than simply "Surf,
> Browse, and generally fool around on the web..." you might consider a high
> end Mac. The only questionable aspect this is current condition of Apple
> and availability of software (note: MS recently recommited itself to the
> Mac platform, Office98 for Mac will be out soon). I'm about a year away
> from my next computer purchase, we'll see where things stand then, both
> with Apple and Microsoft.
Without Microsoft, APPLE is dead. PERIOD..but I love macs ;)
Dre
>
>
CudaUInc
In article <01bcc86a$3d7b2360$LocalHost@PaulRyan>, "Paul Ryan"
<rya...@user.scs-datacom.co.uk> writes:
>Subject: Wanted Computer Graphic Designers
>From: "Paul Ryan" <rya...@user.scs-datacom.co.uk>
>Date: 23 Sep 97 23:06:08 GMT
And for USA based opportunities go to:
http://www.nerd2000.com/links/index.html
A lot of great information there. Add your link if you like.
Regards,
Phil
andre abreu
On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, The Obsessive C. Capps wrote:
> [random groups snipped to reduce thread]
>
> _q...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> > I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> > advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> > Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> > it's more popular.
>
Macintosh is a very easy to use system in many ways easier to use than an
the IBMs. That is what made them so popular but it seems that more and
more it is harder to distinguish between the Mac and the IBM. IBMs are
becoming more and more Maclike in there interface with every new version
of Windows. One way to look at it is "what doesn't mac have". It
doesn't have the combatibility problems that often pleague
compatibles--hardware, software. It doesn't have the thousand different
viruses that comatibles have. It also doesn't have the marketshare that
compatibles share.
later
Dre
Moon Chaser
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970926...@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>, andre abreu <aab...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> > I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
>> > advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
>> > Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
>> > it's more popular.
eeerr.. read the title of the newsgroup.. this is a Window beta
support group.. not a PC vs Mac newsgroup ;]
- - -
Le chat est toujours vivant
dans son coeur.
Stephen Hall
> Macintosh is a very easy to use system in many ways easier to use than an
> the IBMs. That is what made them so popular but it seems that more and
> more it is harder to distinguish between the Mac and the IBM. IBMs are
> becoming more and more Maclike in there interface with every new version
> of Windows. One way to look at it is "what doesn't mac have". It
> doesn't have the combatibility problems that often pleague
> compatibles--hardware, software. It doesn't have the thousand different
> viruses that comatibles have. It also doesn't have the marketshare that
> compatibles share.
>
> later
> Dre
Where do people get this IBM shit from? IBM compatibility went out years ago
THANK GOD, they now support Apple or havent you heard that???
Don't dare go and say that PC users have IBM compatible machines because its no
longer 1988, and hardware/software compatibility with the PC is no worse than it
is with Macintosh, most people that use 486/Pentium+ machines can go out to just
about any computer store known (CompUSA/Micro Center/Media Play/Egghead...) and
BUY compatible hardware and software for the PC known and install it and run it
with few or no problems whatsoever, and virus problems? Most people accidentally
download viruses from the net, most known viruses are found there, just exactly
where Mac users tread as well, most commercial software packages that are
purchased at stores and the like are scanned for ALL known viruses before they
are packaged, sealed and shipped!
Also what you didn't tell others is the fact that there is one Mac owner for
every four PC owners, there is THREE times the amount of hard/software available,
and, there has never been a time where the PC got into deep trouble financial
wise, so deep that a huge corporation who were rivals for many years had to bail
em out to save their asses from extinction, even though they are still in the
woods!
I hate IBM, they dont even deserve credit for having anything to do at all with
the PC in the past, I hope they they die just as Apple/Macintosh will!
John Stewart
The original posting may have been planted by a "troll"...someone who
posts an article guaranteed to generate HEAT! They he/she sits back and
laughs.
John Stewart
www.acpress.com <newsletter>
Jason Sharpee
Stephen Hall wrote:
> > Macintosh is a very easy to use system in many ways easier to use than an
> > the IBMs. That is what made them so popular but it seems that more and
> > more it is harder to distinguish between the Mac and the IBM. IBMs are
> > becoming more and more Maclike in there interface with every new version
> > of Windows. One way to look at it is "what doesn't mac have". It
> > doesn't have the combatibility problems that often pleague
> > compatibles--hardware, software. It doesn't have the thousand different
> > viruses that comatibles have. It also doesn't have the marketshare that
> > compatibles share.
> >
> > later
> > Dre
>
> Where do people get this IBM shit from? IBM compatibility went out years ago
> THANK GOD, they now support Apple or havent you heard that???
I'd also like to know where people get this Intel Compatible PC that runs only MS
OSs. ;)
1. FACT: There are more applications / games for Intel based machines than any
other platform. After all, why do people use computers?
2. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel based hardware than the PowerPC
Macintosh. Doesnt take a genious to know what platform has more support now and
into the future.
3. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel x86 compatible CPU's than the
Motorolla PowerPC. Some of these include Intel, AMD, Cyrix, IBM, NexGen (Now part
of AMD), and a couple of others that I cant remember off hand(NSC?). PowerPC compt
are made by Motorolla, IBM, and Exponential (are these out yet?).
4. FACT: There are more operating systems available for the Intel x86 PC. Some of
these include, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS, Open DOS, NextStep, Rhapsody, Windows '95,
Windows /NT, OS/2, LINUX, Solaris x86, BeOS, Novell NETWARE, TSX-32, MINIX(eek).
OS's available for the PowerPC platform; MAC OS, Rhapsody, BeOS, Windows/NT (now
cancelled by MS for PPC), and MKLinux. Once again, Intel x86 PC has more support
in this area as well.
5. FACT: Macintosh PPC and Intel x86 now use the PCI BUS!!! Yes, the same exact
IRQ and addressing system!!! It is Microsoft's Windows and /NT's crude way of
trying to automate the installation of new hardware via Plug'N'Play that causes
problems for Intel x86 PC owners. (Note #4)
I saw someone post something about PowerPC Macintosh systems are cheaper than a PC
system overall, because PC's dont come with adequate equipment.. GET A CLUE and
build your own system them.. Last time I checked a lot of the addin hardware in
Macintosh computers are the exact same equipment manufacs of Intel x86 PC equipment,
thanks to a common denomination of PCI. Because there is a lower market for Mac hw,
prices are generally more expensive for them.
I saw someone also post something about the PowerPC 180Mhz is faster than the
Pentium 180Mhz and the code size being smaller for PowerPC apps. Yes a PowerPC 180
would be faster than a Pentium 180, because a Pentium 180Mhz doesnt exist!!!!!!!!
A PentiumPro 180Mhz does exist, but I dont not have any benchmarks to neither
support nor deny which is faster. In regards to code size "GO BACK TO SCHOOL" and
learn the fundamental difference between CISC (Complex Instruction Set) and RISC
(Reduced Instruction Set). Intel x86 CPU have been CISC externally, PowerPC CPU's
have been RISC externally. Because the PPC has a smaller instruction set, it takes
more instructions to do similar things on a CISC CPU, therefore code size will be
bigger.. The benefit of RISC computing is due to the lower logic involved to process
an instruction allows it to operate faster (however it can get balanced by the fact
it has to run more instructions to do the same task in the same time as it takes for
a CISC).
If you want to compare which between MAC OS and WINDOWS can run apps faster, then
buy the fastest Mac OS compt. PPC available (300Mhz?) and a Windows/NT compt.
DEC AXP (800Mhz) and tell me. (I think I know the results)
-Jason
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Colin Rose <NOSPA...@c2.telstra-mm.net.au> wrote in article
<NOSPAMcrose-28...@unknown111.c2.telstra-mm.net.au>...
> Joyce Kor Yun Zhi <joyc...@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
> > Easy. Everyone makes PC and that's economically good for the users
>
> Yeah - all that competition. Just think, you buy the:
>
> * Windows OS: the *proprietary* Microsoft OS
> * Intel Pentium chip: the *proprietary* Intel chipset, now reverse
> engineered by AMD and Cyrix. Soooooooo ... Intel comes out
> with the *proprietary* Pentium II sneakily packaged in the
> *proprietary* Slot.
>
> "think different" :)
>
>
So, Colin, what of it? The competition exists whether you see it or not.
THe happly fact is that there are a number of OS's available for the
hardward, there is a wide selection of hardware available for the OS's,
leading edge hardware gets introduced quickly to the market, available
hardware can be bought that fits almost any pocketbook, a wide vairety of
Apps are available ranging form freeware-shareware-commercial ware, and
there's nobody to tell you that you aren't qualified to make decisions
about what you task you choose to accomplish on your computer. Of course,
the downside is that altar construction doesn't seem to be improved with
competition... oh well, I guess we'll just have to get used to serving a
less god. :)
mark
Andrew J. Brehm
>1. FACT: There are more applications / games for Intel based machines than any
>other platform. After all, why do people use computers?
True. But you don't actually need thousands of applications. If only
the best (Star Office etc.) are available for the Mac, that's enough.
>2. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel based hardware than the PowerPC
>Macintosh. Doesnt take a genious to know what platform has more support now and
>into the future.
With all the Intel based hardware vendors going in and out of
business, it does indeed take a genious to know what platform has more
support.
>3. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel x86 compatible CPU's than the
>Motorolla PowerPC. Some of these include Intel, AMD, Cyrix, IBM, NexGen (Now part
>of AMD), and a couple of others that I cant remember off hand(NSC?). PowerPC compt
>are made by Motorolla, IBM, and Exponential (are these out yet?).
Intel, AMD, Cyrix and IBM contra Motorola, IBM and Exponential. That
doesn't look like such a huge difference to me. It's 4 to 3, allright.
>4. FACT: There are more operating systems available for the Intel x86 PC. Some of
>these include, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS, Open DOS,
We better take all the DOSses as ONE system. You know, even the
version numbers come from the same origin. DR-DOS started with 4.x,
PTS-DOS started with 6.42 etc.
>NextStep,
Doesn't this come from the Mac platform?
>Rhapsody,
What is this exactly? I've heard of it, but not much.
>Windows '95,
:-)
>Windows /NT, OS/2, LINUX, Solaris x86, BeOS, Novell NETWARE, TSX-32, MINIX(eek).
Joh!
>OS's available for the PowerPC platform; MAC OS, Rhapsody, BeOS, Windows/NT (now
>cancelled by MS for PPC), and MKLinux.
You forget: OS/2 (not cancelled), Mint, MagiC and several other
variants of UNIX (for 68k actually, but nevertheless, all Intel
systems are for the 386 as well).
>Once again, Intel x86 PC has more support
>in this area as well.
Not so much more.
>5. FACT: Macintosh PPC and Intel x86 now use the PCI BUS!!! Yes, the same exact
>IRQ and addressing system!!! It is Microsoft's Windows and /NT's crude way of
>trying to automate the installation of new hardware via Plug'N'Play that causes
>problems for Intel x86 PC owners. (Note #4)
So what?
>I saw someone post something about PowerPC Macintosh systems are cheaper than a PC
>system overall, because PC's dont come with adequate equipment.. GET A CLUE and
>build your own system them.. Last time I checked a lot of the addin hardware in
>Macintosh computers are the exact same equipment manufacs of Intel x86 PC equipment,
>thanks to a common denomination of PCI. Because there is a lower market for Mac hw,
>prices are generally more expensive for them.
Not all the people who buy computers can build their own system.
>I saw someone also post something about the PowerPC 180Mhz is faster than the
>Pentium 180Mhz and the code size being smaller for PowerPC apps. Yes a PowerPC 180
>would be faster than a Pentium 180, because a Pentium 180Mhz doesnt exist!!!!!!!!
You can use a Pentium at this rate. For a comparison, that's ok.
>If you want to compare which between MAC OS and WINDOWS can run apps faster, then
>buy the fastest Mac OS compt. PPC available (300Mhz?) and a Windows/NT compt.
>DEC AXP (800Mhz) and tell me. (I think I know the results)
A DEC AXP does not represent the Wintel platform...
Andrew J. Brehm, TeamOS/2, OS2BUG
"Why do I use OS/2 ?"
- Because Windows users treat OS/2 users better
than OS/2 users treat Windows users! -
Nobody
In article <342E0F...@singnet.com.sg>, Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
<joyc...@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
> Not MAC, there is no clone. It is not an open system.
If you are saying that there are no clones for Mac you are very
miss-informed. There are many clones for the Mac and they are just as
good as Apple.
Scott Sweeting
Jason Sharpee wrote:
I wasn't even going to respond, but he brought me in to this :).
> I'd also like to know where people get this Intel Compatible PC that runs only MS
> OSs. ;)
>
> 1. FACT: There are more applications / games for Intel based machines than any
> other platform. After all, why do people use computers?
Ooooh! That's why people spend $3000 on a Wintel! To play Duke Nukem!
Sheez... silly me, I went out and bought a $150 game system that runs
better games and doesn't require upgrades that often.
> 2. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel based hardware than the PowerPC
> Macintosh. Doesnt take a genious to know what platform has more support now and
> into the future.
So what? People are idiots.
> 3. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel x86 compatible CPU's than the
> Motorolla PowerPC. Some of these include Intel, AMD, Cyrix, IBM, NexGen (Now part
> of AMD), and a couple of others that I cant remember off hand(NSC?). PowerPC compt
> are made by Motorolla, IBM, and Exponential (are these out yet?).
Again, so what?
> 4. FACT: There are more operating systems available for the Intel x86 PC. Some of
> these include, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS, Open DOS, NextStep, Rhapsody, Windows '95,
> Windows /NT, OS/2, LINUX, Solaris x86, BeOS, Novell NETWARE, TSX-32, MINIX(eek).
> OS's available for the PowerPC platform; MAC OS, Rhapsody, BeOS, Windows/NT (now
> cancelled by MS for PPC), and MKLinux. Once again, Intel x86 PC has more support
> in this area as well.
Ummm.... exactly how many OS's do you need? You have a GUI-based OS, a
command-line based one that's UNIX compatible, and you have a really hip
one designed for media. You're also naming OS's that are duplicates....
why don't we name *all* the different versions of MacOS? (PC DOS == MS
DOS == DR DOS == Open DOS .... only minor differences).
> 5. FACT: Macintosh PPC and Intel x86 now use the PCI BUS!!! Yes, the same exact
> IRQ and addressing system!!! It is Microsoft's Windows and /NT's crude way of
> trying to automate the installation of new hardware via Plug'N'Play that causes
> problems for Intel x86 PC owners. (Note #4)
Hmmmm..... all right.
> I saw someone post something about PowerPC Macintosh systems are cheaper than a PC
> system overall, because PC's dont come with adequate equipment.. GET A CLUE and
> build your own system them.. Last time I checked a lot of the addin hardware in
IBM's now come with SCSI HD's, SCSI external ports, and AppleTalk
connectors? Kewl.
> Macintosh computers are the exact same equipment manufacs of Intel x86 PC equipment,
> thanks to a common denomination of PCI. Because there is a lower market for Mac hw,
> prices are generally more expensive for them.
Exactly which hardware is more expensive? Modems? Printers? Monitors?
(note: Mac's can use the same modems/printers/monitors ... usually).
> I saw someone also post something about the PowerPC 180Mhz is faster than the
> Pentium 180Mhz and the code size being smaller for PowerPC apps. Yes a PowerPC 180
> would be faster than a Pentium 180, because a Pentium 180Mhz doesnt exist!!!!!!!!
What a whiner. Okay, fine. A POWERPC AT THE SAME CLOCK SPEED AS ANY
PENTIUM IS FASTER, DISREGARDING THE OS. Happy?
> A PentiumPro 180Mhz does exist, but I dont not have any benchmarks to neither
> support nor deny which is faster. In regards to code size "GO BACK TO SCHOOL" and
> learn the fundamental difference between CISC (Complex Instruction Set) and RISC
> (Reduced Instruction Set). Intel x86 CPU have been CISC externally, PowerPC CPU's
> have been RISC externally. Because the PPC has a smaller instruction set, it takes
> more instructions to do similar things on a CISC CPU, therefore code size will be
> bigger.. The benefit of RISC computing is due to the lower logic involved to process
> an instruction allows it to operate faster (however it can get balanced by the fact
> it has to run more instructions to do the same task in the same time as it takes for
> a CISC).
Whatever. Just because I've fit some rather complex progs for the Mac on
one disk isn't any indication of size. Perhaps you should visit a school
yourself, find a Mac, and see how small the programs are.
> If you want to compare which between MAC OS and WINDOWS can run apps faster, then
> buy the fastest Mac OS compt. PPC available (300Mhz?) and a Windows/NT compt.
> DEC AXP (800Mhz) and tell me. (I think I know the results)
*Ahem* Duh. It's fools like you that keep Win95 alive. There are 5
billion people on the planet who are computer-illiterate. There is a
slightly smaller number of people who would enjoy spending time tweaking
with IRQ's and installing Win95 once a month. I personally prefer UNIX
over Win95 and MacOS, and don't mind spending time messing with the
system software. But, (I've done this example before... guess you
weren't listening) an English teacher has neither the time, nor the
inclination to start hacking through the registry. That's why Macs are
better for the average user. Note: THE AVERAGE USER!!!!!!!
Techno-weenies like us may complain about not having multi-threaded
something or other, but that's why God gave us UNIX. I think it is a
total waste that the common computer user has been forced to use Win95.
It's people like you extolling virtues that the common user will never
even want, let alone need that created the demand for Win95 in the first
place (of course, prohibitively expensive pricing plans didn't exactly
help Apple). It's this immature, self-centered attitude on the part of
the techno-weenie that we should all use whatever OS he likes, whether
or not real people actually want/like/need it, that is a plague on
society.
Just because you want a Dec alpha running NT doesn't mean that's what
the average Joe wants.
Sergey Chemishkian
One more UNIX "guru" ..
Windows 95 makes smooth transfer to Windows NT, and NT
kills both UNIX and the "multimedia hip" MacOS, because it has the best
features from both worlds (UNIX and Mac). Why do you thing that
extended functionality should come only with such a pain in your ass as
UNIX is ?
And why are you so angry ? Maybe because you know that UNIX & Co. are
loosing also ?
On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Scott Sweeting wrote:
> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:57:10 -0700
> From: Scott Sweeting <da...@pacbell.net>
> Reply-To: sswe...@tmbg.org
<snip>
> *Ahem* Duh. It's fools like you that keep Win95 alive. There are 5
> billion people on the planet who are computer-illiterate. There is a
> slightly smaller number of people who would enjoy spending time tweaking
> with IRQ's and installing Win95 once a month. I personally prefer UNIX
> over Win95 and MacOS, and don't mind spending time messing with the
> system software. But, (I've done this example before... guess you
> weren't listening) an English teacher has neither the time, nor the
> inclination to start hacking through the registry. That's why Macs are
> better for the average user. Note: THE AVERAGE USER!!!!!!!
> Techno-weenies like us may complain about not having multi-threaded
> something or other, but that's why God gave us UNIX. I think it is a
> total waste that the common computer user has been forced to use Win95.
> It's people like you extolling virtues that the common user will never
> even want, let alone need that created the demand for Win95 in the first
> place (of course, prohibitively expensive pricing plans didn't exactly
> help Apple). It's this immature, self-centered attitude on the part of
> the techno-weenie that we should all use whatever OS he likes, whether
> or not real people actually want/like/need it, that is a plague on
> society.
> Just because you want a Dec alpha running NT doesn't mean that's what
> the average Joe wants.
>
>
====================================================================
Sergey Chemishkian
Aerospace and Mechanical Eng. University of Arizona
Tucson AZ 85721 USA
phone: (520) 626-3216 fax: (520) 621-8191
Jean-noël et/ou Nathalie Lafargue
Colin Rose <NOSPA...@c2.telstra-mm.net.au> a écrit
> "think different" :)
Maybe you are right. But please, try to think different somewhere else, I
can't stand this cross-post. Thanks.
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Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
t.cruise wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:58:08 -0700, _q...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> >I want to put up a list of what people on the internet say is the biggest
> >advantage of their computer over that of the other computer, specifically
> >Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more software availlable or
> >it's more popular.
>
>
> T.C.
Don't worry, MAC will NEVER be phased out. In the publishing industry, you can't even
smell the PC. MAC has a firm foothold when professional publishing is concerned.
Regards
Colin Rose
Joyce Kor Yun Zhi <joyc...@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
> Easy. Everyone makes PC and that's economically good for the users
Yeah - all that competition. Just think, you buy the:
* Windows OS: the *proprietary* Microsoft OS
* Intel Pentium chip: the *proprietary* Intel chipset, now reverse
engineered by AMD and Cyrix. Soooooooo ... Intel comes out
with the *proprietary* Pentium II sneakily packaged in the
*proprietary* Slot.
"think different" :)
Colin
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Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
Easy. Everyone makes PC and that's economically good for the users
Best Regards
t.cruise
On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:36:27 +0800, peac...@att.net.hk (Joey Peace)
wrote:
>There are several reasons why Macs are better that Pc's. For example
>there are many things that are just impossible ot do on a windoze 95
>machine: Try changing the monitors color depth without restarting or
>risking crashing, try nesting a document withing 30 folders,
SNIP of the same old stuff that was posted in the original trolling
post a while back. I'm thinking that this person just has too much
time, and not much else to do. Win95 OSR2 can do just about
everything the poster claims it can't. Whatever else is lacking, is
being taken care of with updates, or 3rd party utilities.
T.C.
Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
Nobody wrote:
>
> In article <342E0F...@singnet.com.sg>, Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
> miss-informed. There are many clones for the Mac and they are just as
> good as Apple.
It's too good to be true if I am really mis-informed. That way I get to
know what I don't know. So tell me more, what you do know about MAC
clones and thanks in advance.
B.Gridley
Moon Chaser wrote:
> In article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970926...@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>,
> andre abreu <aab...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> >> > I want to put up a list of what people on the
> internet say is the biggest
> >> > advantage of their computer over that of the other
> computer, specifically
> >> > Windows/DOS vs the MAC. Please don't say it's more
> software availlable or
> >> > it's more popular.
>
> eeerr.. read the title of the newsgroup.. this is
> a Window beta
> support group.. not a PC vs Mac newsgroup ;
Actually you are both wrong. You posted to
alt.comp.pc.hardware.homebuilt !!!
think before you speak
> I'd also like to know where people get this Intel Compatible PC that runs only MS
>OSs. ;)
Actually, the Os of the future is RHAPSODY. Check the specs out on
apple's site. It will run on risc and intel platforms.
>1. FACT: There are more applications / games for Intel based machines than any
>other platform. After all, why do people use computers?
Quake II is being written entirely IN rhapsody! ALL the major gaming
companies have announced MAC versions of their upcoming games. The
developers are jumping for joy at the chance to write for RISC
prosessors that have FPU's that are 29% faster and can easily be
tweaked into greater speeds in the future. By next year's end, the 1
GIGAHERTZ mac chip will be in production.
Also, if you pick up any macuser or mac mag, you will find that just
about every major bususness softwaree package and ALL the 3D and
awesome paint progs were developed for the MAC 1st! The 128 bit, 3D
accelorated power VR chipset in normal use in the mac world. The
graphics power of the macs make them the #1 choice in multimedia
professions.
>2. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel based hardware than the PowerPC
>Macintosh. Doesnt take a genious to know what platform has more support now and
>into the future.
ACtually, you obviously are unaware (as is not uncommon) of the CHRP
(common hardware reference platform) that was developed by Apple IBM
and Mororola over the last 2 years. The same PCI, IDE, VIDEO, and
MEMORY devices you use now will work just fine in the new macs just
hitting the market. Only software is needed from the manufacturer for
them to work.
With the Release of Rhapsody (the nextgen operating sys) being
supported by the gaming, internet, an business markets, drivers will
begin to be common. ACtually, considering the fact that Matrox, and
many other companies are jumping head first back into the mac market
it really DOESN'T take a genious to know what plaform is the future.
>3. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel x86 compatible CPU's than the
>Motorolla PowerPC. Some of these include Intel, AMD, Cyrix, IBM, NexGen (Now part
>of AMD), and a couple of others that I cant remember off hand(NSC?). PowerPC compt
>are made by Motorolla, IBM, and Exponential (are these out yet?).
Actually.... so what? There are many clone makers out there making
power pc chips. The fact is that the powerPC chips running an os that
is STILL only partly written in native RISC code still KICKS THE SHIT
out of any intel or AMD (which, by the way, the cyrix and the amd are
nowhere near the FPU performance of the intel line) chip running fully
x86 native code. Imagine what it'll do with fully native Rhapsody
code!
>4. FACT: There are more operating systems available for the Intel x86 PC. Some of
>these include, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS, Open DOS, NextStep, Rhapsody, Windows '95,
>Windows /NT, OS/2, LINUX, Solaris x86, BeOS, Novell NETWARE, TSX-32, MINIX(eek).
>OS's available for the PowerPC platform; MAC OS, Rhapsody, BeOS, Windows/NT (now
>cancelled by MS for PPC), and MKLinux. Once again, Intel x86 PC has more support
>in this area as well.
Again, so what? you list 2 products no longer sold that were buggy and
minor variations of msdos, one that is defunct and was originally
written for the mac (nextstep), one that IS being written for the mac
first, one that only your worst enemy should be forced to "use"
(win95, if they can get it to "run" for more than a few minutes at a
time. btw, I have 2 pc's running win95 and win NT. everyone I know has
had to reinstall their setups multiple times. NT is so full of holes
and easily fucked up that it's ridiculous), and an off brand ibm
attempt, and some unix clones. The BeOS is again, a MAC product, the
others (novell asside) I've never heard of.
>5. FACT: Macintosh PPC and Intel x86 now use the PCI BUS!!! Yes, the same exact
>IRQ and addressing system!!! It is Microsoft's Windows and /NT's crude way of
>trying to automate the installation of new hardware via Plug'N'Play that causes
>problems for Intel x86 PC owners. (Note #4)
ummm... funny, when it suited your propagandist viewpoint, you failed
to mention this little detail up in # 2. If the same bus is now used,
the reason for it being done is obvious... the same hardware is now
open to use inthe CHRP machines. Also, the screwed up hardware
recognition has been a problem from day one on the pc. Plug and play
is a weak attempt to fix, no screw up this process.
>I saw someone post something about PowerPC Macintosh systems are cheaper than a PC
>system overall, because PC's dont come with adequate equipment.. GET A CLUE and
>build your own system them.. Last time I checked a lot of the addin hardware in
>Macintosh computers are the exact same equipment manufacs of Intel x86 PC equipment,
>thanks to a common denomination of PCI. Because there is a lower market for Mac hw,
>prices are generally more expensive for them.
Umm... pal, your clue is waiting for you in room # 34..... Add in the
amount nessacary to have the ability to digitize video on a pc
something that is standared on a mac. THE 603e systems which kick the
shit out of pentium pro's and are top level pc equivalents in all
other depts are $899. You also state clearly that the addin hardware
is the exact SAME as used by the pc. THE PRICES Would be equal
then!!!! actaully, pick up a mac mag and put your foot where you
mouth is... prices I'm looking at are LOWER then the pc prices I've
also got in front of me for BETTER equipment.
>I saw someone also post something about the PowerPC 180Mhz is faster than the
>Pentium 180Mhz and the code size being smaller for PowerPC apps. Yes a PowerPC 180
>would be faster than a Pentium 180, because a Pentium 180Mhz doesnt exist!!!!!!!!
>A PentiumPro 180Mhz does exist, but I dont not have any benchmarks to neither
>support nor deny which is faster. In regards to code size "GO BACK TO SCHOOL" and
>learn the fundamental difference between CISC (Complex Instruction Set) and RISC
>(Reduced Instruction Set). Intel x86 CPU have been CISC externally, PowerPC CPU's
>have been RISC externally. Because the PPC has a smaller instruction set, it takes
>more instructions to do similar things on a CISC CPU, therefore code size will be
>bigger.. The benefit of RISC computing is due to the lower logic involved to process
>an instruction allows it to operate faster (however it can get balanced by the fact
>it has to run more instructions to do the same task in the same time as it takes for
>a CISC).
Actually, you miss the point in that comparision, which is it's
GENEROSITY! The comparison IS between a powerpc and an pentium PRO.
Actually, you do seem to make sense here regarding code size. one
problem: ALL the demanding performace APPS are made for the MAC!
Photoshop, all 3d rendering progs, etc... are geared for the mac
because it's processor can handle the load MUCH better. Write to ADOBE
and ask them their position on the two architecture. You will see that
the people who require power, don't choose intel or pc processors.
>If you want to compare which between MAC OS and WINDOWS can run apps faster, then
>buy the fastest Mac OS compt. PPC available (300Mhz?) and a Windows/NT compt.
>DEC AXP (800Mhz) and tell me. (I think I know the results)
what's the DEC axp? and ALPHA procesor that has MAJOR compatibily
hurdles? BTW, an Alpha is no more a pc processor than a SPARC (or is
that SUN? 3am... you know how it gets..) workstation is. A POWERPC
can run windows in emulation just fine. Try emulation for a MAc on a
pc. (executor doesn't count, it can't run the os.)
Jason, it's not personal. I used to dislike the macs for various
reasons. Apple has made some damn stupid marketing decisions... but
facts are facts... the power pc architecture has been IBM, Apple, and
Motorola's comback kid. It's faster, it's cheaper to produce, the
architecture has a real future, unlike the x86 line. (keep in mind the
huge price increase in the pentium II, and the tiny performance boost.
Compare this with the slight price increase in the the new g3 and up
RISC processors and the HUGE performance boost. This gap in only going
to widen.)
There is a reason that Matrox, and the powerVR 3d card makers are
returning to the mac world. There is a reason all the big gaming
companies are releaseing mac versions of all the new games. (most with
additional features that were too much for the x86 procesor to
handle).
Windows, is history once rhapsody hits the streets. OS 8 sold
somehing like several million copies in the first week. Rhapsody is
for the mac and the INTEL world. the same program code for games,
applications, etc.. will work on either platform. How long before
other people follow ID software in writing QUAKE II in rhapsody? The
power of NT with the interface, stability, and features (you really
should check out the 75 mac advantages on their website. Lots of shit
would amaze you.)of the mac os. The Future?
"It's faster, it's smarter. It's got 300 bad guys around that corner
in full life-like 3d. ... It's not called a POWER MAC for nothing"
"Stop fixing it. Start using it."
who needs t' know?
>Easy. Everyone makes PC and that's economically good for the users
>(consumers). Not MAC, there is no clone. It is not an open system.
>
>Best Regards
hmmm... out of touch with our plane of reality long? There are more
than five different major clone makers of macs. IT is a somewhat open
system. The PC's "open" system has been nothing but chaos and program
conflicts and hardware incompatiilities. The tool based framework
used on the mac OS eliminates 80% of the crashes and screw ups
experienced in the pc world between programs.
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> Easy. Everyone makes PC and that's economically good for the users
> (consumers). Not MAC, there is no clone. It is not an open system.
>
> Best Regards
There CERTAINLY IS a Macintosh clone. What are you talking about? Go to
Computer City and you will find out. Or, just ask any Mac user.
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> Easy. Everyone makes PC and that's economically good for the users
> (consumers). Not MAC, there is no clone. It is not an open system.
>
> Best Regards
EVERYONE:
The PC and the Mac are both computers, and this thread needs to end. It
does not apply to the newsgroup at all, and if more people continue, I
will report them for abuse to their Internet or mail providers to
terminate their news capabilities, or the whole account altogether.
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Could you please stop this troll?!
This (stupid) discussion is crossposted into ~50 newsgroups, and only a
handful of these is appropriate...
Please note the follow-up.
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Ilan Volow
In article <Pine.A41.3.96.970927...@aruba.u.arizona.edu>,
Sergey Chemishkian <sche...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
> One more UNIX "guru" ..
> Windows 95 makes smooth transfer to Windows NT, and NT
> kills both UNIX and the "multimedia hip" MacOS, because it has the best
> features from both worlds (UNIX and Mac).
95 doesn't have the ease of use of the mac, nor the plug-and-play (and NT
doesn't HAVE plug-n-play, direct hardware I/O, and other stuff EVERY OS
should have--at least Linux can run doom), and it doesn't have the
reliability of UNIX (note microsoft's disclaimer that 95/NT shouldn't be
used for mission-critical applications).
Why do you thing that
> extended functionality should come only with such a pain in your ass as
> UNIX is ?
One more year till Rhapsody, and then UNIX will no longer be a pain in the ass.
> And why are you so angry ? Maybe because you know that UNIX & Co. are
> loosing also ?
He kind of does kind of have a point, tho'. It's been my experience that
the small percentage who aren't completely completely computer illiterate
(i.e. die-hard windows advocates) harp on the mac for being too easy to
use, not letting you do enough with your system, etc, then turn right
around and bash UNIX for not having ease-of-use. I think that it's this
hypocrisy that pisses off the unix and mac guys the most.
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Jason Sharpee
think before you speak wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:17:49 -0500, Jason Sharpee
> <jas...@dynamic-realities.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd also like to know where people get this Intel Compatible PC that runs only MS
> >OSs. ;)
> Actually, the Os of the future is RHAPSODY. Check the specs out on
> apple's site. It will run on risc and intel platforms.
>
> >1. FACT: There are more applications / games for Intel based machines than any
> >other platform. After all, why do people use computers?
> Quake II is being written entirely IN rhapsody! ALL the major gaming
> companies have announced MAC versions of their upcoming games. The
> developers are jumping for joy at the chance to write for RISC
> prosessors that have FPU's that are 29% faster and can easily be
> tweaked into greater speeds in the future. By next year's end, the 1
> GIGAHERTZ mac chip will be in production.
>
As I recall, ID's choice of playform for game development was the NeXT. That didnt
accelerate those black boxes into our future did it?Which chip manufacturer is producing
the gigahertz CPU, Motorolla? ( Seeing as DEC has been in the ECL game far longer than
IBM/Motorolla, and they arent claiming a gigahertz CPU by the end of this year, I would
seriously doubt someone else would)
> Also, if you pick up any macuser or mac mag, you will find that just
> about every major bususness softwaree package and ALL the 3D and
> awesome paint progs were developed for the MAC 1st! The 128 bit, 3D
> accelorated power VR chipset in normal use in the mac world. The
> graphics power of the macs make them the #1 choice in multimedia
> professions.
>
I do not have statistics on development platforms of choice, however, we all know which
of the two platforms are in the majority.. If the select software development platform
is Macintosh, then why do we not see a reflection in units sold.
> >2. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel based hardware than the PowerPC
> >Macintosh. Doesnt take a genious to know what platform has more support now and
> >into the future.
> ACtually, you obviously are unaware (as is not uncommon) of the CHRP
> (common hardware reference platform) that was developed by Apple IBM
> and Mororola over the last 2 years. The same PCI, IDE, VIDEO, and
> MEMORY devices you use now will work just fine in the new macs just
> hitting the market. Only software is needed from the manufacturer for
> them to work.
>
I am aware of CHRP and also thought that it only applied to Motorolla/IBM PowerPC
platform machines.. Nothing to do with Intel x86 based machinery.
> With the Release of Rhapsody (the nextgen operating sys) being
> supported by the gaming, internet, an business markets, drivers will
> begin to be common. ACtually, considering the fact that Matrox, and
> many other companies are jumping head first back into the mac market
> it really DOESN'T take a genious to know what plaform is the future.
>
Let it be clear that I am not bashing Rhapsody in my original post. As soon as I see
some applications available for the OS that I require for day to day work, I will be
more than happy to make the switch. I consider Rhapsody to be the only saviour that
Intel PC owners have, to get out of the stangle hold of Microsoft. I just hope it lives
up to everyones promises.
> >3. FACT: There are more manufacturers of Intel x86 compatible CPU's than the
> >Motorolla PowerPC. Some of these include Intel, AMD, Cyrix, IBM, NexGen (Now part
> >of AMD), and a couple of others that I cant remember off hand(NSC?). PowerPC compt
> >are made by Motorolla, IBM, and Exponential (are these out yet?).
>
> Actually.... so what? There are many clone makers out there making
> power pc chips. The fact is that the powerPC chips running an os that
> is STILL only partly written in native RISC code still KICKS THE SHIT
> out of any intel or AMD (which, by the way, the cyrix and the amd are
> nowhere near the FPU performance of the intel line) chip running fully
> x86 native code. Imagine what it'll do with fully native Rhapsody
> code!
>
Not even the MS flagship Windows /NT 4.0 supports "fully x86 native code".. The /NT OS
is 32bit, whereas the Pentium and beyond are 64."KICKS THE SHIT" is a relative term in
which I cannot apply a logical factor too. Once again I would like to point out that I
doubt the fastest MAC platform today, can render a LightWave 3D 5.5 animation faster
than a Windows /NT Dec Alpha 800. Call up Digital Domain and tell them their
investment in DEC Windows/NT is stupid. However, the original argument was between
"MAC vs PC", and I will be doing some comparisions soon with LW3D (available on both
platforms) to give me some more concrete stats between a PPC and the same megahertz
Intel CPU.
> >4. FACT: There are more operating systems available for the Intel x86 PC. Some of
> >these include, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS, Open DOS, NextStep, Rhapsody, Windows '95,
> >Windows /NT, OS/2, LINUX, Solaris x86, BeOS, Novell NETWARE, TSX-32, MINIX(eek).
> >OS's available for the PowerPC platform; MAC OS, Rhapsody, BeOS, Windows/NT (now
> >cancelled by MS for PPC), and MKLinux. Once again, Intel x86 PC has more support
> >in this area as well.
> Again, so what? you list 2 products no longer sold that were buggy and
> minor variations of msdos, one that is defunct and was originally
> written for the mac (nextstep),
Hmm.. No I believe NeXTStep was written for the NeXT machine.. Hence the name.
> one that IS being written for the mac
> first, one that only your worst enemy should be forced to "use"
> (win95, if they can get it to "run" for more than a few minutes at a
> time. btw, I have 2 pc's running win95 and win NT. everyone I know has
> had to reinstall their setups multiple times. NT is so full of holes
> and easily fucked up that it's ridiculous)
Like I said, I am not comparing OS's here, just pointing out what is available for the
Intel PC. My personal OS of choice is Linux 2.0.30. (Someone had reported a while back
that they had an uptime of over 400days with Linux / Intel PC. Personally I have gotten
over 120days, and then power went out and it rebooted.). The point is, dont judge the
Intel PC by the immature MS code written on it.
> , and an off brand ibm
> attempt, and some unix clones. The BeOS is again, a MAC product, the
> others (novell asside) I've never heard of.
> >5. FACT: Macintosh PPC and Intel x86 now use the PCI BUS!!! Yes, the same exact
> >IRQ and addressing system!!! It is Microsoft's Windows and /NT's crude way of
> >trying to automate the installation of new hardware via Plug'N'Play that causes
> >problems for Intel x86 PC owners. (Note #4)
> ummm... funny, when it suited your propagandist viewpoint, you failed
> to mention this little detail up in # 2. If the same bus is now used,
> the reason for it being done is obvious... the same hardware is now
> open to use inthe CHRP machines. Also, the screwed up hardware
> recognition has been a problem from day one on the pc. Plug and play
> is a weak attempt to fix, no screw up this process.
>
Screwed up hardware recognition from day one?!?!? The problem was operator related from
the DAY idiots started using computers.. ISA cards have an optional IRQ and an
optional Hardware address. Are you ready for this complex problem: You cannot
typically have more than one device using the same IRQ or Address. Yah thats pretty
screwed up.. Plug and play simply is IDIOT protection, does this for you by the same
complex/problematic logic<sc>.
> >I saw someone post something about PowerPC Macintosh systems are cheaper than a PC
> >system overall, because PC's dont come with adequate equipment.. GET A CLUE and
> >build your own system them.. Last time I checked a lot of the addin hardware in
> >Macintosh computers are the exact same equipment manufacs of Intel x86 PC equipment,
> >thanks to a common denomination of PCI. Because there is a lower market for Mac hw,
> >prices are generally more expensive for them.
> Umm... pal, your clue is waiting for you in room # 34..... Add in the
> amount nessacary to have the ability to digitize video on a pc
> something that is standared on a mac. THE 603e systems which kick the
> shit out of pentium pro's and are top level pc equivalents in all
> other depts are $899. You also state clearly that the addin hardware
> is the exact SAME as used by the pc. THE PRICES Would be equal
> then!!!! actaully, pick up a mac mag and put your foot where you
> mouth is... prices I'm looking at are LOWER then the pc prices I've
> also got in front of me for BETTER equipment.
Video standard on a mac.. What if I the consumer for a macintosh computer had no nead or
desire for that! Do I have to pay extra for something I will not use?In my 9 years of
using a PC, I have never bought a machine that was built and sold as a complete system,
nor do I want to ever be forced to do that.. I define what hardware goes into my
machine, not some "standard". That is why Intel PCs have always had the daunting task
of supporting such a variety of equipment, which is something Apple is relatively
speaking, just now is starting to deal with. Interestingly enough though, with this so
called "screwed up configuration" and "non-standard" equipment, I am able to write this
post to everyone today.
Basic marketing "pal". An example: there are more Intel PC's on the market, thus higher
demand for boxes that say "Intel compt", than that of PPC Mac. Typically higher demand
products / boxes can be made cheaper, because of higher bulk quantities sold (ie you get
a nice discount on CDROM driver disks in lots of a thousand, than a lot of 300).
> >I saw someone also post something about the PowerPC 180Mhz is faster than the
> >Pentium 180Mhz and the code size being smaller for PowerPC apps. Yes a PowerPC 180
> >would be faster than a Pentium 180, because a Pentium 180Mhz doesnt exist!!!!!!!!
> >A PentiumPro 180Mhz does exist, but I dont not have any benchmarks to neither
> >support nor deny which is faster. In regards to code size "GO BACK TO SCHOOL" and
> >learn the fundamental difference between CISC (Complex Instruction Set) and RISC
> >(Reduced Instruction Set). Intel x86 CPU have been CISC externally, PowerPC CPU's
> >have been RISC externally. Because the PPC has a smaller instruction set, it takes
> >more instructions to do similar things on a CISC CPU, therefore code size will be
> >bigger.. The benefit of RISC computing is due to the lower logic involved to process
> >an instruction allows it to operate faster (however it can get balanced by the fact
> >it has to run more instructions to do the same task in the same time as it takes for
> >a CISC).
> Actually, you miss the point in that comparision, which is it's
> GENEROSITY! The comparison IS between a powerpc and an pentium PRO.
> Actually, you do seem to make sense here regarding code size. one
> problem: ALL the demanding performace APPS are made for the MAC!
> Photoshop, all 3d rendering progs, etc... are geared for the mac
> because it's processor can handle the load MUCH better. Write to ADOBE
> and ask them their position on the two architecture. You will see that
> the people who require power, don't choose intel or pc processors.
>
In response call Newtek, manufactures of Lightware 3D, talk to Arthur Howe (Project
co-ordinator), and ask his opinion on this..Its interesting that you are portraying that
performance and number crunching is better than an Intel PC and that it cannot handle
the load adequately.. Didnt see Autocad or Pro-E arrive on the Macintosh first, and
certainly not LightWave 3D either.
> >If you want to compare which between MAC OS and WINDOWS can run apps faster, then
> >buy the fastest Mac OS compt. PPC available (300Mhz?) and a Windows/NT compt.
> >DEC AXP (800Mhz) and tell me. (I think I know the results)
> what's the DEC axp? and ALPHA procesor that has MAJOR compatibily
> hurdles? BTW, an Alpha is no more a pc processor than a SPARC (or is
> that SUN? 3am... you know how it gets..) workstation is. A POWERPC
> can run windows in emulation just fine. Try emulation for a MAc on a
> pc. (executor doesn't count, it can't run the os.)
>
A DEC Alpha runs Window/NT 4.0 and its compiled applications WITHOUT emulation.. That
is what the difference between a PPC that runs VPC or SoftWindows is. And there are no
versions of Windows/NT native for SPARC, HP, SGI, or AS/400 computers. ;) There is a
native version for the CHRP PPC and MIPS but /NT 4.0 is the last, and other than the
system utils, I am not aware of anything else compiled for it.
> Jason, it's not personal. I used to dislike the macs for various
> reasons. Apple has made some damn stupid marketing decisions... but
> facts are facts... the power pc architecture has been IBM, Apple, and
> Motorola's comback kid. It's faster, it's cheaper to produce, the
> architecture has a real future, unlike the x86 line. (keep in mind the
> huge price increase in the pentium II, and the tiny performance boost.
> Compare this with the slight price increase in the the new g3 and up
> RISC processors and the HUGE performance boost. This gap in only going
> to widen.)
You are under-estimating what Intel can do and their production of CPU's. It is rumored
that Intel usually has 2 sucessor processors (Deschutes / Merced) already in final
testing, however, for marketing reasons are not releasing them until they soak the
market for P II dry. If Intel is pushed into a corner, which they havent been in a very
long time if ever, I am sure we will see more competive CPUs. For raw CPU power in the
3D/performance industry, of which I am a part of, DEC Alpha has been the technological,
if not popular, choice.
> There is a reason that Matrox, and the powerVR 3d card makers are
> returning to the mac world. There is a reason all the big gaming
> companies are releaseing mac versions of all the new games. (most with
> additional features that were too much for the x86 procesor to
> handle).
>
Too much for the x86 hehehe.. Yah, I suppose I should ditch Turok the Dino hunter for
3Dfx, and get a PPC for gamming. There were some that said that a N64 was much more
powerfull than any 3D graphics of personal computers made. That is why they are porting
their games to Intel PC?
> Windows, is history once rhapsody hits the streets.
I hope so! Wont be any different for us people that have been using UNIX for years
though.. Same shit, different name, except someone is crazy enough to push it on
corportate and home desktops.
> OS 8 sold
> somehing like several million copies in the first week. Rhapsody is
> for the mac and the INTEL world. the same program code for games,
> applications, etc.. will work on either platform.
Earth shattering isnt it.. But the UNIX world has had this for over 20 years, which
Rhapsody is just now being a part of.
> power of NT with the interface, stability, and features (you really
> should check out the 75 mac advantages on their website. Lots of shit
> would amaze you.)of the mac os. The Future?
I have two words for MacOS 8, MEMORY MANAGEMENT! Contiguous ram has plagued that os
ever since its creation and still does. If you think Mac OS is that good then why has
Apple bought another OS!
Cheers,
-Jason
davexl
parv...@earthlink.net (think before you speak) wrote:
>>1. FACT: There are more applications / games for Intel based machines than any
>>other platform. After all, why do people use computers?
>Quake II is being written entirely IN rhapsody! ALL the major gaming
>companies have announced MAC versions of their upcoming games. The
>developers are jumping for joy at the chance to write for RISC
>prosessors that have FPU's that are 29% faster and can easily be
>tweaked into greater speeds in the future. By next year's end, the 1
>GIGAHERTZ mac chip will be in production.
Lets compare stuff when its out, shall we? We just got over the
exponential hype...
>Also, if you pick up any macuser or mac mag, you will find that just
>about every major bususness softwaree package and ALL the 3D and
>awesome paint progs were developed for the MAC 1st!
HAHAHA!
That is beautiful. If you pick up ONLY macuser or mac mags you get
MacFacts like this.
"ALL the 3D"?? Heard of Softimage, Alias, 3D Studio MAX?
I hope you meant 2D, because if you think the Mac is the premier 3D
platform ....
Andrew Beard
hell this is a no brainer, mac blows chunks....
ok ?
B.Gridley <bgri...@infi.net> wrote in article
<342DE17A...@infi.net>...
drs
> I hope you meant 2D, because if you think the Mac is the premier 3D
> platform ....
also he mentioned all the cooler paint programs what ever that means. I'm
guessing he assumes programs such as Photoshop ( even though it's not all
too great for painting =) ), Fractal Painter 5, Dabbler 1/2, and
Illustrator,etc. sorry dude, but the mac is no longer the only platform
that has a bunch of graphics programs out =) I think this guy went into a
time machine from the early 90s and is now here =)
Ethan Schreiber
Nobody wrote:
>
> In article <342E0F...@singnet.com.sg>, Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
> miss-informed. There are many clones for the Mac and they are just as
> good as Apple.
Yeah, but Mac just bought its biggest clone maker. They allowed a clone
market, and now they are trying to crush it??? Seems weird to me. :p
Dave Sell
>Also, if you pick up any macuser or mac mag, you will find that just
>about every major bususness softwaree package and ALL the 3D and
>awesome paint progs were developed for the MAC 1st!
If you pick up any mac-loser mag, what else is it gonna
say? It's gonna say "Mac roolz, everything else zux"
It's called propaganda.
Henry Arias
Know realize that Microsoft is not a friend of Apple by any means. I
see it this way, Apple dies and the FEDS go after MicroSoft because,
guess what, you know have a monopoly! So MS give Apple a few dollars,
just enough to keep the patient from dying but not enough to make the
patient well. My view that is... Henry
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:52:45 -0500, andre abreu
<aab...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> I'm beginng to think if you need a computer to do more than simply "Surf,
>> Browse, and generally fool around on the web..." you might consider a high
>> end Mac. The only questionable aspect this is current condition of Apple
>> and availability of software (note: MS recently recommited itself to the
>> Mac platform, Office98 for Mac will be out soon). I'm about a year away
>> from my next computer purchase, we'll see where things stand then, both
>> with Apple and Microsoft.
>
>Without Microsoft, APPLE is dead. PERIOD..but I love macs ;)
>
>Dre
>
>>
>>
Joyce Kor Yun Zhi
who needs t' know? wrote:
>
> hmmm... out of touch with our plane of reality long? There are more
> than five different major clone makers of macs. IT is a somewhat open
> system. The PC's "open" system has been nothing but chaos and program
> conflicts and hardware incompatiilities. The tool based framework
> used on the mac OS eliminates 80% of the crashes and screw ups
> experienced in the pc world between programs.
Then what you do think is the reason that MAC is not able to reach the same level of
popularity and ubiquity as that of the PC's, given that what you said is true???
Regards
Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
Joyce Kor Yun Zhi wrote:
QUIT CROSS-POSTING THIS CRAP TO IRRELEVANT GROUPS!!!!!
OR AT LEAST STOP CROSS-POSTING IT TO COMP.WINDOWS.X and ALT.WINDOWS.CDE,
WHICH HAVE ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TRIPE.
>
> who needs t' know? wrote:
> >
> > hmmm... out of touch with our plane of reality long? There are more
> > than five different major clone makers of macs. IT is a somewhat open
> > system. The PC's "open" system has been nothing but chaos and program
> > conflicts and hardware incompatiilities. The tool based framework
> > used on the mac OS eliminates 80% of the crashes and screw ups
> > experienced in the pc world between programs.
WHO CARES?
>
> Then what you do think is the reason that MAC is not able to reach the same level of
> popularity and ubiquity as that of the PC's, given that what you said is true???
WHO CARES?
The Whitakers
BETA is a beter format for vidio than VHS
It's all marketing!!!
MAC might be a better system than PC but I doubt they will ever be as
popular as the PC's. If they are still around in 10 years I will be
surprised.
Daniel
>BETA is a beter format for vidio than VHS
PLEASE learn how to spell...I think the current literacy rate is appauling!
Spunky
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:44:39 GMT, Don...@Julio.com wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^
Me too !!! ;)
Realty & Mortgage Co.
> >PLEASE learn how to spell...I think the current literacy rate is appauling!
It _is_ appalling. You should consider the possibility, however, that
not everyone on the internet speaks English as a first language -- not
to mention the fact that not everyone is a perfect typist.
Pax,
StRider
Don...@julio.com
I DO - but think that it's still okay to find it funny if critical of
others....
BUT, not nearly as funny as people that post duplicate messages
through bad software and/or settings! <GGGGGGGGGGG>>>>
-DJ
Dominic Rocheta
What does it matter if there are/not clones? BOTH systems have very narrow
options in some cases. I don't know a great deal about the Mac as I have
worked with IBM's for several years (and Apricots before that - I think
thats what they were called!). Microsoft unfortuantly dominates the IBM
market, along with Intel, who have both made considerable advanses in their
fields but whom both have major flaws in their technology. From my minor
reading and observing others experience there is a similar case with Macs.
My belief is a system could be developed using the best of BOTH worlds that
can seriously increase performance/reliance of technology.
This actually has been occuring in small ways, (I don't know about Macs) but
the new Intel motherboard chipset for the IBM includes the AGP - a feature
of Macs, Win 98 is working towards better integration of software packages
and the use of multiply moniters (aparently up to 8 moniters easily).
Microsoft is also attempting to remove the drawback of file fragmentation of
the FAT32 file system (not experienced with Win NT and Linux (I don't know
about Mac)) by introducing an automatic "Disk Defragmenter Optimization
Wizard". Progress is being made... Slowly!
Personally I would quite happily sacrific a digital TV program in Win 98 for
a higher degree of stability that Mac users claim (I have however whitness
numerous crashes on a well set up 3 yr old Mac - have the new ones
improved?)
The choice of Mac and IBM is quite individual, based on personal
preferences, but hopfully we can see a better combination of technologies
that will benifit BOTH technology streams which both contain major flaws and
room for improvement!