Re: Joining two 4x4's
Bob K 207
>What's the best way for joining two 4x4's end to end?
>Doweling pin style or ship lap style?
>This would be in an upright position in order to extend the length.
>Please no lectures on getting a solid piece the length required.
>Just answer the question.
What is the application?
What are the loading conditions?
Joining two 8' 4x4's? an 8' & a 4'?
Are you supporting a bird house, a flag or a wooden deck for a hillside home?
I rather doubt that joining two 4x4 is really worth the extra effort.
You could just slather up the ends with epoxy & call it good. :)
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"Richard" <Anon...@127.001> wrote in message
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> Just a curiosity question.
This oughta be good.
> What's the best way for joining two 4x4's end to end?
> Doweling pin style or ship lap style?
> This would be in an upright position in order to extend the length.
You mean over that fucked-up piece of leaning shit deck you built onto your
trailer?
> Please no lectures on getting a solid piece the length required.
> Just answer the question.
Asshole.
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"Bob K 207" <bob...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Just a curiosity question.
> >What's the best way for joining two 4x4's end to end?
> >Doweling pin style or ship lap style?
> >This would be in an upright position in order to extend the length.
> >Please no lectures on getting a solid piece the length required.
> >Just answer the question.
>
> What is the application?
> What are the loading conditions?
> Joining two 8' 4x4's? an 8' & a 4'?
>
> Are you supporting a bird house, a flag or a wooden deck for a hillside
home?
A scabbed together porch on the entrance to Bullis' trailer. None of the
four 4x4s ended up the same length or plumb
> I rather doubt that joining two 4x4 is really worth the extra effort.
>
> You could just slather up the ends with epoxy & call it good. :)
I hope Bullis takes this advice. :-)
Nehmo Sergheyev
> But I can't carry 12 foot lengths in my car.
- Nehmo -
I can carry a twelve-foot length while using a skateboard. Why can't you
carry them on your car?
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"Richard" <Anon...@127.001> wrote in message
> gazebo style.
<snicker> Didn't plan when you put up those 8' posts on your porch to your
trailer, St00pid? Just duck when going up the steps, hunchback.
> Easy enough to buy 12 foot lengths.
> But I can't carry 12 foot lengths in my car.
Oh, did the old Dodge van bite it, Bullis? No more pedo-mobile?
> Loading factor would probably be minimal as I don't plan on putting
anything
> over the roof other than maybe shingles.
Don't you get snow in Wisconsin, cement-boi? Just nail it to the trailer and
call it good.
Jeff
bill of materials, buy it all at one time and have it delivered.
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Rico dJour
>If your building a gazebo you will need more than 4x4's.... figure up the
>bill of materials, buy it all at one time and have it delivered.
This excellent advice is so obvious that it's amazing that it had to be spelled
out for the OP!
To the OP: Your statement that there would be minimal loads, maybe only
shingles, means you don't know what constitutes the major load for a roof
structure. Since you don't know what you're doing, don't start messing with
expedient framing shortcuts. Better yet, buy a kit.
R
Brooks Gregory
bottom of the joint shows.
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Noozer
> Please no lectures on getting a solid piece the length required.
> Just answer the question.
You already know that you're doing it wrong, so why are you even asking?
If you can't afford to have the material delivered, how are you going to
afford the maintenance, etc?
Eric Ryder
"Brooks Gregory" <brooks...@sbctelco.com> wrote in message
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> Lap joints. Then sister a two foot section of 2X4 on each side of which
the
> bottom of the joint shows.
>
... and thru-bolt the entire mess, repeatedly.
>
> --
> Brooks Gregory
>
>
BP
Not good for any structural application. Any. Holding anything up. Anything.
Not good.
OK for partitions, nailers, firring, or picture frames.
"Richard" <Anon...@127.001> wrote in message
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> Just a curiosity question.
> What's the best way for joining two 4x4's end to end?
> Doweling pin style or ship lap style?
> This would be in an upright position in order to extend the length.
Greg G
wrote:
>Ok. I wish to build a covered deck which will have 12 foot posts. Think
>gazebo style.
>Easy enough to buy 12 foot lengths.
>But I can't carry 12 foot lengths in my car.
I have my "Home Depot Kit" in the trunk of my mid size sedan at all
times. It consists of a two piece roof rack system (originally from
Ikea, 10 bucks, maybe 12 years ago) that clamps onto the edges of the
roof, plus a few long lengths of nylon rope, a half-dozen long bungee
cords, a ratcheting luggage strap and a tarp. I've never needed the
tarp.
I have carried sheetrock, plywood, MDF, 2-by-anything, electrical
conduit, a 27" TV, PVC pipe, a kid's playhouse and several actual Ikea
items. 12 foot 4 x 4s would be a snap; they're not even longer than
the car. Long stuff even has an added bonus; it's VISIBLE through the
front windshield while I drive.
There is obviously a weight limit to my system, but it has worked for
anything I've needed to carry so far. I routinely get my rack set up
and loaded while people with mini-vans are still scratching their
heads.
I'm sure you'll pay much more than $10 for a set of roof racks, but
they are light, don't take up much room in the trunk, and have seen to
my needs through 3 cars so far. Well worth whatever you pay.
Buy the lengths of lumber you need.
Greg Guarino
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"Greg G" <gdgu...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Good lord, man! Do you realize what a danger to the public St00pid Bullis
will be, barrelling down the highway with what will be a failed attempt to
secure a 4x4 load? The moron can't even tie his own shoelaces. If anyone's
interested, I have the actual photo of St00pid's porch to his trailer that
he's trying to fix. Bullis took it down from his website, but I saved it.
It's a riot of leaning, uneven boards.
TonyM
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> I could use a good laugh!!!
Look for [BULLIS] Trailer House Deck in
news:alt.binaries.kooks
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Reposts on request.
Don Phillips
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> Just a curiosity question.
> What's the best way for joining two 4x4's end to end?
> Doweling pin style or ship lap style?
> This would be in an upright position in order to extend the length.
> Please no lectures on getting a solid piece the length required.
> Just answer the question.
For structural applications, most building codes require finger joining the
members but I do not recall to what minimum specification it must be joined
to. If your question is beyond curiosity, let me know and I can get you the
referenced standard.
Sincerely,
Donald L. Phillips, Jr., P.E.
Worthington Engineering, Inc.
145 Greenglade Avenue
Worthington, OH 43085-2264
dphi...@worthingtonNSengineering.com
(remove NS to use the address)
614.937.0463 voice
208.975.1011 fax
Rico dJour
>For structural applications, most building codes require finger joining the
>members but I do not recall to what minimum specification it must be joined
>to. If your question is beyond curiosity, let me know and I can get you the
>referenced standard.
I'm curious, Don, so if you wouldn't mind....
R
Phil Scott
"Richard" <Anon...@127.001> wrote in message
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> Just a curiosity question.
> What's the best way for joining two 4x4's end to end?
> Doweling pin style or ship lap style?
> This would be in an upright position in order to extend the
length.
> Please no lectures on getting a solid piece the length
required.
> Just answer the question.
Ship lap.
the more lap the better. 10" at least...24" would be better.
for super strength you can rout 1/16" in on the corners and
screw in the longest edge angles you can find. Use the
tempered steel 1/4" hex drive screws Home depot sells in that
section of thier store though the lap.
Phil Scott
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Phil Scott
"Richard" <Anon...@127.001> wrote in message
> Bob K 207 wrote:
>
posts. Think
> gazebo style.
> Easy enough to buy 12 foot lengths.
> But I can't carry 12 foot lengths in my car.
bad reason... have the lumber delivered. Lappng will look
bad in that application and cost more in time and screws etc
than longer lumber.
I was being an idiot previously when I took your muscled-in
demand .....without asking the application... or why you
wouldnt just buy longer lumber. I was assuming in error that
this was a repair job where removing the old 4x4 would not
have been viable.
With new construction it is utterly insane to consider lapping
etc in lieu of the correct length lumber..
> Loading factor would probably be minimal as I don't plan on
putting anything
> over the roof other than maybe shingles.
I see you tend to make assumptions you then assume are
correct..in this case considerng only the dead load, and the
strength of the splice when its new.
There are two issues:
Live loads... thats wind in your area which can be extreme.
Weakness due to aging of joints and fasteners etc.
You have ignored both.
Use 12' lumber.... and dont be cheap with the bolting. Dcck
screws are not going to cut it.
Phil Scott
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Phil Scott
dang...I missed that clue too. Mabye he could jam them
through the side windows and let me stick out 3' on either
side then just drive careful. Did you ever think of
THAT.............. nooooooo.
Phil Scott
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"Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
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Gah! Former trucker Bullis was enough of a road hazard before. He
sideswiped some kids in Chicago, ran them off the road and didn't realize it
until a warrant to appear showed up at his company. Unless a big truck hits
the posts and knocks St00pid's Dodge off the road, I'm seeing decapitations
of pedestrians here.
