Re: Brigham Young University Physics Professor - Very Important - Everybody Please Read
Mrbill
>Dr. Steven E. Jones
>Physics Professor
>Brigham Young University
>
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>********* Paper Put Out For Peer Review ********
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>****** "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" ******
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>** http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html **
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>Prof. Steven E. Jones will provide an invited seminar open
>to the public at Utah Valley State College in Orem, Utah
>February 1, 2006
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>
>
>Some 9/11 Resources:
>
>www.911blogger.com
>www.ny911truth.org
>www.911proof.com
>www.911busters.com
>
>150+ 9/11 Smoking Guns Found in the Mainsteam Media:
>http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
>
>Powerhouse Collection of 9/11 Controlled Demolition Quotes:
>http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4371
>
>More Controlled Demolition Info and Quotes:
>http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4660
>
>Other relevant videos and information: (Quotes, US History)
>http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?p=24588#24588
>
>The Fake bin Laden Video Tape:
>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
>
>Building a Better Mirage (NIST Report Deception):
>http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
>
>The 9/11 Commission Report: An Elaborate Fiction:
>http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html
>
>Characteristics of the Twin Tower Collapses and What They Show:
>http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/index.html
Because a plane crashed into it.
Just a contractor
That will be $5K please
chickenwing
B Kramer wrote:
> Dr. Steven E. Jones
> Physics Professor
> Brigham Young University
you aint my peer
chickenwing
B Kramer wrote:
> Dr. Steven E. Jones
> Physics Professor
> Brigham Young University
>
>
You know, you would make a good Jehova's witness.
or a muslem, then you can sell BEAN PIES on the street corner
and hold up a Mahamed Speaks! Just be sure to wear a niiice BOW TIE
B Kramer
WTC Building 7 was NOT hit by an airplane. It was a 47 story steel framed
building. The Official NIST report states it came down from fire:
http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf
Here's a video clip of WTC 7 collapsing from CBS NEWS:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_cbs_demolition.mpg
Did fire really bring down that building? It collapsed at near free fall
speed into its own footprint.
The lease holder of WTC 7, Larry Silverstein, said on a PBS documentary
that they "pulled" the building. The documentary is titled "America
Rebuilds" and is discussed on PBS's website:
http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/
A video clip with Silverstein's quote is here:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV
Professor Steven Jones presents scientific evidence that the Towers and
Building 7 collapsed because of controlled demolition:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Jones' presented his case to SIXTY PROFESSORS with expertise in
engineering. All sixty agreed that a new investigation should be
performed.
Also. take a look at this quote:
BILL MANNING
EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, FIRE ENGINEERING MAGAZINE:
"$elling Out The Investigation" article quotes: "Such destruction of
evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the
value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced
collapse in world history."
"Based on the incident's magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully
resourced, forensic investigation is imperative"
"The federal government must scrap the current setup and commission a
fully resourced blue ribbon panel to conduct a clean and thorough
investigation of the fire and collapse, leaving no stones unturned."
full article: http://tinyurl.com/3h5mk
(URL was too long for one line so I create the tiny URL above. It will
redirect to Fire Engineering Magazine's official website.)
Mrbill <Mrb...@aol.com> wrote in news:enprr1p7cbpk8jf65ii7e567ltdem2c2gm@
4ax.com:
The Twin Towers were both hit by airplanes.
WTC Building 7 was NOT hit by an airplane. It was a 47 story steel framed
building. The Official NIST report states it came down from fire:
http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf
Here's a video clip of WTC 7 collapsing from CBS NEWS:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_cbs_demolition.mpg
Did fire really bring down that building? It collapsed at near free fall
speed into own footprint.
The lease holder of WTC 7, Larry Silverstein, said on a PBS documentary
that they "pulled" the building. The documentary is titled "America
Rebuilds" and is discussed on PBS's website:
http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/
A video clip with Silverstein's quote is here:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV
Professor Steven Jones presents scientific evidence that the Towers and
Building 7 collapsed because of controlled demolition:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Jones' presented his case to SIXTY PROFESSORS with expertise in
engineering. All sixty agreed that a new investigation should be
performed.
Also. take a look at this quote:
BILL MANNING
EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, FIRE ENGINEERING MAGAZINE:
"$elling Out The Investigation" article quotes: "Such destruction of
evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the
value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced
collapse in world history."
"Based on the incident's magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully
resourced, forensic investigation is imperative"
"The federal government must scrap the current setup and commission a
fully resourced blue ribbon panel to conduct a clean and thorough
investigation of the fire and collapse, leaving no stones unturned."
full article: http://tinyurl.com/3h5mk
(URL was too long for one line so I create the tiny URL above. It will
redirect to Fire Engineering Magazine's official website.
_TRUTH_
Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physics Professor
Brigham Young University
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Jones' presented his case to SIXTY PROFESSORS with expertise in
engineering. ALL SIXTY agreed that a new investigation should be performed.
chickenwing, are you an engineer? Why not read through his paper?
Everything in it is sourced. Just see what he has to say about it.
Come on :) See what he has to say.
You gotta admit something's fishy with the government's story:
don't forget...
Only the Twin Towers were hit by airplanes.
WTC Building 7 was NOT hit by an airplane.
WTC 7 was a 47 story steel framed building.
The Official NIST report states it came down from fire:
http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf
chickenwing, can you explain *why* WTC 7 collapsed? If the government's
version is true, then WTC 7 collapsed from fire. But is that rational?
Here's a video clip of WTC 7 collapsing from CBS NEWS:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_cbs_demolition.mpg
Did fire really bring down that building? It collapsed at near free fall
speed into its own footprint.
The lease holder of WTC 7, Larry Silverstein, said on a PBS documentary
that they "pulled" the building. The documentary is titled "America
Rebuilds" and is discussed on PBS's website:
http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/
A video clip with Silverstein's quote is here:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV
Take a look here for firefighter quotes from the New York Times.
Links are provided to the Official NY Times website!
http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?p=27086#27086
Here's a few examples:
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER STEPHEN GREGORY
"I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a
building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what
I thought I saw."
CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE
"Somewhere around the middle of the world trade center, there was this
orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this
flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building
had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it
was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and
then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I
could see."
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER THOMAS FlTZPATRlCK
"My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they
show you those implosions on TV."
and btw, the 9/11 Truth Movement is huge. The only reason people don't know
about it yet is because the mainsteam media isn't covering it. But that is
changing. Slowly, but surely. Also, the Movement needs more REAL EXPERTS
(such as structural engineers) to look at all the evidence and to speak up.
Even if you don't speak up personally, what you can do is email all your
engineer friends and tell them that there is something to look at here.
chickenwing
TRUTH wrote:
> I am 100% American. American born, American bred.
>
> One must put aside the implications of controlled demolition at the WTC.
> Just look at the evidence scientifically. It's very important
mhmmm, you must know something about a list?
you don't have to convince me
he's making a list, checking it thrice
gonna find out who's been spraying these lies
a boooow ties and a beeeaaaan piiieeee!!!!
gotcha!
congrats dummy, you just made the watchlist
you think our govt filters usenet?
mhmmm this is green of you, put a pin in it will ya!
and really? you are coming off like a smoke up wanna be or something
if you want to convince someone of a point, you must be like a snake
a little at the time, you are trying to reap where you have not sown
you cannot sow things like, "fucking idiot" and "head up your ass"
and expect to get anything to grow
i figure you should stop cross posting, and take my advice and use it
on your real job
you're probably on every watch list all around this big blue marble
RicodJour
>
>
> I've posted enough in here for now. Many people have now woken up in
> these groups. AFA my "language earlier", you got to admit, I was backed
> into a corner by everyone in this newsgroup.
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
R
chickenwing
TRUTH_ wrote:
> You know,,, I don't know what the hell you said above. But as far as a
> "watchlist": believe me... I am not worried. Me spreading the Truth in
> these groups is nothing compared to what other Truth members are doing.
> As I said, I am not worried. If you look at those sites I listed, you
> will see... the 9/11 Truth Movement is bigger than you ever imagined.
oh i bet its not, you are minority
1 million is minority how many you got
no really, say how many to yourself
> I've posted enough in here for now. Many people have now woken up in
> these groups. AFA my "language earlier", you got to admit, I was backed
> into a corner by everyone in this newsgroup.
you made the moves jack...
> 2006 will be the year the Truth comes out.
> Either stand up for what's right and be part of it, or hide.
that is narrow, you do not give anyone choice, they can join or hide?
now reaaally...
if i happen to think this is bs, then i am hiding? this attitude is
occultic in nature
are you sure you don't like bean pies?
Matt Barrow
"B Kramer" <Kra...@whoo.edu> wrote in message
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> The Twin Towers were both hit by airplanes.
>
Brigham Young...Mormons: Now there's a study in rationality.
The WTC still stands on one of their planets.
TRUTH
news:1136524391.0...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
you'll wake you sooner or later. You're just not "ready" yet
TRUTH
@news.uswest.net:
are you an eginineer? If so are you a strucural engineer?
Chickenwang
> as your posts are wayyyyyy
> out there
SHA! it's what everybody's trying to tell you.
The rest of the trip "back in" is pretty easy if you just stop fighting.
bill allemann
"TRUTH" <TR...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Matt Barrow" <mattb...@site-fill.com> wrote in news:0guvf.3$sr3.59
> @news.uswest.net:
>
>>
>
TRUTH
Dr Robert Bowman - Former Lt Col USAF & Nasa Rocket Scientist:
Bowman spoke up at the Washington DC rally and NYC 9/11/05 meeting and said
the Bush administration needs to be tried for treason and murder. Bowman is
a former USAF Fighter Pilot and says if NORAD were left alone to do their
job, ALL FOUR PLANES would have been intercepted.
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/rally031025.htm
Video: http://www.911busters.com/DC_Truth/index.html
Dr Steven Jones - Brigham Young University - Physicist:
After presenting scientific evidence to support the WTC controlled
demolition theory, Prof Jones convinced 60 Engineering Professors that a
new 9/11 investigation is warranted.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Mike Ruppert - Former LAPD Narcotics Detective:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com
Morgan Reynolds - Former Chief Economist Under G W Bush
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
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I've come to the conclusion that those responding in this newsgroup are not
engineers, let alone structural engineers. I base this conclusion on the
following three facts:
1. Not one of you people have claimed to be one
2. You people resort to childish insults and name calling
3. You don't know how to look at evidence rationaly
Based on those three facts, "you people" are obviously nothing more than
engineering dropout losers who didn't have the rational, logical and
scientific minds to comprehend their studies. You spend much of your time
hanging out in these newsgroups pretending to know something, when fact is
you don't know shit. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between
your ass and a whole in the ground.
Now that I've gotten rid of those imbeciles...
There's not one structural engineer on the planet who would openly admit
that the Twin Towers and WTC7 were professionaly demolished. This is easily
understandable, since it's widely known that two state senators who opposed
the Patriot Act got nice envelopes tainted with anthrax. Therefore,
engineers have a right to fear for their lives and their families lives.
But the truth is coming out slowly. Perhaps if a few structural engineering
friends around the country took Prof Steven Jones side, then enough people
would know and they need not fear violent retribution from the government.
We all remember, a few days after 9/11, "explosives expert" Dr Van Romero
said he could tell just from the videotapes that the buildings were
professionally demolished. He recanted not long after that, obviously from
government pressure. He was then rewarded with a number of promotions.
Also, his refusal to discuss *why* he recanted is another telltale sign.
http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20284
http://infohost.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2002/11jan05.html
http://www.yic.gov/paceea/adcom/bios.html
Unfortunately, there are those out there who would say "Romero recanted, so
he obviosuly doesn't believe the buildings were demolished". Anyone coming
up with that kook conclusion is not only brainwashed but also a total idiot
being taken for a silly fool by those capable of rational thinking.
Fortunately, these newsgroups are not limited to those fools. I know
there's plenty of real engineers out there who have the brains (and the
guts) to speak up.
So let's get a movin' and make 2006 the year of Truth!
"bill allemann" <custo...@sbcglobalDOTnet.invalid> wrote in
news:kC_vf.44457$dO2....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
Dr. Steven E. Jones
Professor of Physics
Brigham Young University
"Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?"
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
"In writing this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the
hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by
damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned explosives."
Professor Jones convinced SIXTY PROFESSORS that a new, full, INDEPENDENT
investigation should be performed.
The SIXTY PROFESSORS' specialties include Physics, Mechanical Engineering,
Civil Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Psychology, Geology, and
Mathematics.
WTC 7, a 47 story steel framed building, was NOT hit by an airplane,
but collapsed on 9/11/01 at approximately 5:20 PM ET.
The collapse was near symetrical, near free-fall speed, into it's own
footprint.
Video clip of WTC 7 Collapsing from CBS NEWS:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_cbs_demolition.mpg
WTC 7 lease holder, Larry Silverstein, said on a PBS documentary
that they pulled the building. This documentary is titled "America
Rebuilds" and is discussed on PBS's website:
http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds
Video clip with Silverstein's "Pull it" quote is here:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV
Take a look here for firefighter quotes from the New York Times.
Links are provided to the Official NY Times website.
http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?p=27086#27086
Just a FEW of the many prominent people speaking up for 9/11 Truth:
Dr Steven Jones - Brigham Young University - Physicist:
After presenting scientific evidence to support the WTC controlled
demolition theory, Prof Jones convinced 60 Engineering Professors that a
new 9/11 investigation is warranted.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Dr Robert Bowman - Former Lt Col USAF & Nasa Rocket Scientist:
Bowman spoke up at the Washington DC rally and NYC 9/11/05 meeting and said
the Bush administration needs to be tried for treason and murder. Bowman is
a former USAF Fighter Pilot and says if NORAD were left alone to do their
job, ALL FOUR PLANES would have been intercepted.
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/rally031025.htm
Video: http://www.911busters.com/DC_Truth/index.html
Mike Ruppert - Former LAPD Narcotics Detective:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com
Morgan Reynolds - Former Chief Economist Under G W Bush
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
Other 9/11 Resources:
www.911blogger.com
www.911truth.org
www.ny911truth.org
www.911proof.com
www.911review.com
www.911busters.com
www.cooperativeresearch.org
160+ 9/11 Smoking Guns Found in the Mainsteam Media:
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
Powerhouse Collection of 9/11 Controlled Demolition Quotes:
http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4371
More Controlled Demolition Info and Firefighter Quotes:
http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4660
Other relevant videos and information: (Quotes, US History)
http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?p=24588#24588
The Fake bin Laden Video Tape:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
Building a Better Mirage (NIST Report Deception):
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
The FEMA WTC Building Performance Study (w/comments):
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html
P. Fritz
"bill allemann" <custo...@sbcglobalDOTnet.invalid> wrote in message
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> are you from this planet?
>
>
I don't know, but I found this picture of him
http://www.lifeisajoke.com/pictures388_html.htm
Levon
"P. Fritz" <paulfrit...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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RicodJour
> "bill allemann" <custo...@sbcglobalDOTnet.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
> I don't know, but I found this picture of him
> http://www.lifeisajoke.com/pictures388_html.htm
I'm not so sure. Do you really think he could tie a necktie? Oh,
wait, you might be right - it's probably a clip on.
R
Erik Kline
I recently read Prof. Jones paper and was amazed. He makes a lot of sense.
As soon as the subject is looked at carefully it seems that controlled
demolition is the only possible explanation for the 3 buildings fall.
Besides the evidence of the steel that is covered in the Dr. Jones paper,
there's the issue of the concrete.
Q. During the WTC cleanup, they shipped all the structural steel overseas
for recycling. What did They do with all the concrete?
A. Nothing, there basically wasn't any. 400,000 cubic yards of concrete in
each tower had been turned to dust and pebbles.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/analysis/collapses/wasteage_cleanup.htm
From Waste Age Magazine:
Most of the concrete from the WTC site was pulverized into dust in the
Sept. 11 attacks. But huge amounts of structural steel remained scattered in
tangled heaps, says Allen Morse, USACE chief debris expert and FEMA
technical advisor.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/concrete.html#ref1
Considering the amount of concrete in a single floor (~1 acre x 4") and the
chemical bond energy to be overcome in order to reduce it to a fine powder,
it appears that a very large energy input would be needed. The only source
for this, excluding for now external inputs or explosives, is the
gravitational potential energy of the building. Any extraction of this
energy for the disaggregation of the concrete would decrease the amount
available for conversion to kinetic energy, slowing the speed of the falls.
Yet we know that the buildings actually fell in about 9 seconds, only
slightly less than an unimpeded free-fall from the same height. This means
that very little of the gravitational energy can have gone toward
pulverizing the concrete.
Even beyond the question of the energy needed, what possible mechanism
exists for pulverizing these vast sheets of concrete? Remember that dust
begins to appear in quantity in the very earliest stages of the collapses,
when nothing is moving fast relative to anything else in the structure. How
then is reinforced concrete turned into dust and ejected laterally from the
building at high speed?
Most people seem to be amazingly resistant to looking at the evidence of
explosives at the WTC. Very few people want to hear about it.
"TRUTH" <TR...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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P. Fritz
"Erik Kline" <erik_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your postings on the subject of 911.
>
> I recently read Prof. Jones paper and was amazed. He makes a lot of
sense.
Only to the ignorant.
> As soon as the subject is looked at carefully it seems that controlled
> demolition is the only possible explanation for the 3 buildings fall.
Actually, when studied carefully, controlled demolition is the only
explanation not possible.
>
> Besides the evidence of the steel that is covered in the Dr. Jones
paper,
> there's the issue of the concrete.
No evidence, just a lot of hype.
Nice try, but you aren't ready to play with the big boys.
> Yet we know that the buildings actually fell in about 9 seconds, only
> slightly less than an unimpeded free-fall from the same height. This
means
> that very little of the gravitational energy can have gone toward
> pulverizing the concrete.
Which of course is not true.
> Even beyond the question of the energy needed, what possible mechanism
> exists for pulverizing these vast sheets of concrete? Remember that dust
> begins to appear in quantity in the very earliest stages of the
collapses,
> when nothing is moving fast relative to anything else in the structure.
How
> then is reinforced concrete turned into dust and ejected laterally from
the
> building at high speed?
Reinforced concrete? Where? I doubt you have ever been near a
construction site, All it takes is dropping a 4x8 sheet of plywood on the
floor to see how much dust can be kicked up at high speed.
>
> Most people seem to be amazingly resistant to looking at the evidence of
> explosives at the WTC.
Because reasonable people know there is no evidence of explosives.
>Very few people want to hear about it.
We don't sit around listening to people that say the earth is flat either.
Do yourself a favor and add another layer of tin foil.
RicodJour
>
Paul! Are you trying to kill the guy?! The bubble wrap insulation
layers...?
R
Erik Kline
When I was a kid everybody always asked: "How could the Germans ever have
allowed Hitler to do the things he did?"
Now I know. It was Brown Shirts (or should I say Brown Nosers) like you who
intimidated others into going along.
"P. Fritz" <paulfrit...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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TRUTH
> The only thing you know how to do is to insult others.
>
> When I was a kid everybody always asked: "How could the Germans ever
> have allowed Hitler to do the things he did?"
>
> Now I know. It was Brown Shirts (or should I say Brown Nosers) like
> you who intimidated others into going along.
>
Don't forget Hitler was brought to power by people in the US government,
including our own GBW's grandfather
TRUTH
to the insults from P. Fritz, or other ignoramuses in this group. They
are brainwashed into associating government conspiracies with space
aliens, and their opinions are therefore worthless. Also their childish
comments leads one to believe they're nothing more than just silly
teenagers clowning around. The 9/11 Truth Movement is picking up steam,
and more and people are now questioning the government's story, thanks to
intelligent, rational-minded people like you.
"P. Fritz" <paulfrit...@voyager.net> wrote in
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> > 1 Considering the amount of concrete in a single floor (~1 acre x
Matt Barrow
> The only thing you know how to do is to insult others.
No, he knows a lot of other things, but when dealing with idiots, well, his
response is appropriate.
>
> When I was a kid everybody always asked: "How could the Germans ever have
> allowed Hitler to do the things he did?"
Nice non-sequitur .
>
> Now I know. It was Brown Shirts (or should I say Brown Nosers) like you
> who intimidated others into going along.
Your sure must know your shades of brown because you are 100% full of shit.
P. Fritz
"RicodJour" <rico...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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Damn....I forgot!!!!!
P. Fritz
> The only thing you know how to do is to insult others.
That is the only thing idiots and kooks comprehend
>
> When I was a kid everybody always asked: "How could the Germans ever have
> allowed Hitler to do the things he did?"
So you didn't study history either?
>
> Now I know. It was Brown Shirts (or should I say Brown Nosers) like you
> who intimidated others into going along.
Yup, I was right......you didn't study history.
P. Fritz
> Erik, thank you for your excelent, intelligent post! Don't pay attention
> to the insults from P. Fritz, or other ignoramuses in this group. They
> are brainwashed into associating government conspiracies with space
> aliens, and their opinions are therefore worthless. Also their childish
> comments leads one to believe they're nothing more than just silly
> teenagers clowning around. The 9/11 Truth Movement is picking up steam,
> and more and people are now questioning the government's story, thanks to
> intelligent, rational-minded people like you.
>
Were you up late watching the black helicopters circle your house?
3D Peruna
>
> Another tin foil hatter.
>
> "Erik Kline" <erik_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yyDwf.15133$oW....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> > Thanks for your postings on the subject of 911.
> >
> > I recently read Prof. Jones paper and was amazed. He makes a lot of
> sense.
>
> Only to the ignorant.
>
> > As soon as the subject is looked at carefully it seems that controlled
> > demolition is the only possible explanation for the 3 buildings fall.
>
> Actually, when studied carefully, controlled demolition is the only
> explanation not possible.
>
> >
> > Besides the evidence of the steel that is covered in the Dr. Jones
> paper,
> > there's the issue of the concrete.
>
> No evidence, just a lot of hype.
>
I'm not so sure that Dr. Jones can be so easily dismissed. I'm not
saying that I think it's all true, but there are some interesting
questions raised.
Just because people don't buy the "official" story, it doesn't make them
kooks. The whole world seems to buy into the "consensus" that
anthropogenic global warming is happening, yet the real evidence doesn't
support it. But those who are pointing out that the evidence doesn't
support the consensus are labeled as industry hacks, kooks, right-wing
wacko's, etc.
Mob mentality is difficult to fight...
Again...it's not that I'm supporting all of Dr. Jones' arguments, I'm
just pointing out that there may be something to what he is saying. The
consensus is not always right.
P. Fritz
"3D Peruna" <""w!h#a$r%o^l&d\"@w*e#i%r!d#n$e%s^s.c^o*m"> wrote in message
news:dsQwf.3745$5g1....@fe02.lga...
> P. Fritz wrote:
>> Another tin foil hatter.
>>
>> "Erik Kline" <erik_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:yyDwf.15133$oW....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> > Thanks for your postings on the subject of 911.
>> >
>> > I recently read Prof. Jones paper and was amazed. He makes a lot of
>> sense.
>>
>> Only to the ignorant.
>>
>> > As soon as the subject is looked at carefully it seems that
>> controlled
>> > demolition is the only possible explanation for the 3 buildings fall.
>>
>> Actually, when studied carefully, controlled demolition is the only
>> explanation not possible.
>>
>> >
>> > Besides the evidence of the steel that is covered in the Dr. Jones
>> paper,
>> > there's the issue of the concrete.
>>
>> No evidence, just a lot of hype.
>>
>
>
> I'm not so sure that Dr. Jones can be so easily dismissed. I'm not saying
> that I think it's all true, but there are some interesting questions
> raised.
Such as?
>
> Just because people don't buy the "official" story, it doesn't make them
> kooks.
Conspirasist are in general kooks, you have have to suspend reality to
believe that with the number of people involved to accomplish something like
that, not one would spill the beans. Hell, one woman couldn't keep a
secret about a stain on a blue dress. :-)
> The whole world seems to buy into the "consensus" that anthropogenic
> global warming is happening, yet the real evidence doesn't support it.
But the whole world doesn't, just the side with the agenda.
> But those who are pointing out that the evidence doesn't support the
> consensus are labeled as industry hacks, kooks, right-wing wacko's, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
>
> Mob mentality is difficult to fight...
>
> Again...it's not that I'm supporting all of Dr. Jones' arguments, I'm just
> pointing out that there may be something to what he is saying. The
> consensus is not always right.
Like a good magician, he weaves facts and illusions, truths, half truths
and myths, to give the apppearance of reality, along with some good old
fashion smoke and mirrors.
For kicks, here is one part of his arguement
" Prof. Thomas Eager explained in 2001 that the WTC fires would NOT melt
steel:
"The fire is the most misunderstood part of the WTC collapse. Even today,
the media report (and many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is
argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially with so much fuel
present. This is not true.... The temperature of the fire at the WTC was
not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel. "
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Smoke and mirrors #1
The structural steel would not have to melt, just lose part of its strength
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet
burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame.... In a diffuse flame, the
fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an
uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values
within the flammable range. A fireplace is a diffuse flame burning in air,
as was the WTC fire. Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of
the three flame types... The maximum flame temperature increase for burning
hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1000 °C -- hardly sufficient
to melt steel at 1500 °C.
But it is very difficult to reach [even] this maximum temperature with a
diffuse flame. There is nothing to ensure that the fuel and air in a
diffuse flame are mixed in the best ratio... This is why the temperatures
in a residential fire are usually in the 500 °C to 650 °C range [Cote,
1992]. It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as
evidenced by the copious black smoke.... It is known that structural steel
begins to soften around 425 °C and loses about half of its strength at 650
°C [Cote, 1992].
_______________________________________________________________
Half truth Alert.
Flash over can cause the temperature in a residential fire to reach 800-1200
deg at the ceiling level in a residential fire
_______________________________________________________________
This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a
50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC
collapse... The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than
a third of the design allowable... Even with its strength halved, the steel
could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650 °C
fire." (Eager and Musso, 2001; emphasis added.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another half truth Alert.
The loss of strength is only one part of the equation. The structural
damage is the other. While a loss of 50% strength alone should not have
caused failure, the structural damage and resulting superimposed loads on
adjacent structural along with the reduced strength easily would have
surpassed the failure point
__________________________________________________________________
>
3D Peruna
> Conspirasist are in general kooks, you have have to suspend reality to
> believe that with the number of people involved to accomplish something like
> that, not one would spill the beans. Hell, one woman couldn't keep a
> secret about a stain on a blue dress. :-)
That's the one part that makes it tough to swallow...there are too many
people involved in the "controlled demolition" aspects of the story for
some of them not to come forward, or to be offed under suspicious
circumstances. Now, if some of Ossma's buddies got in there and did
their thing... (which begs the question, if they could pull it off once,
why not repeatedly?)
But, like the global warming people...there's sometimes a kernel of
truth in their arguments...some basis in fact. That's all I'm saying
with regard to some of Dr. Jones' points.
P. Fritz
"3D Peruna" <""w!h#a$r%o^l&d\"@w*e#i%r!d#n$e%s^s.c^o*m"> wrote in message
And that is what I was talking about WRT the half truths.........like his
claim of fire temp for residential at 500
yet temps can reach 1200 in a flash over..........The global warming people
are the same way....unfortunately, there is no video simialr to the planes
flying into the WTC to refute the GW crowd.
>
TRUTH
news:11s7ng0...@corp.supernews.com:
Then you're the kook, kook. The Bush version has no proof to back it up.
Anyone who believes that proofless version is a wacko conspiracy theorist
kook. And that includes you and all your kooky friends. Got that, kooky?
Besides, with that brainwashed, closeminded, predetermined attitute of
yours you obviously don't care what happens in reality. Hope your happy
in your fantasy land with all the other kooks
3D Peruna
> And that is what I was talking about WRT the half truths.........like his
> claim of fire temp for residential at 500
> yet temps can reach 1200 in a flash over..........The global warming people
> are the same way....unfortunately, there is no video simialr to the planes
> flying into the WTC to refute the GW crowd.
No, but pirate might be involved...
P. Fritz
"3D Peruna" <""w!h#a$r%o^l&d\"@w*e#i%r!d#n$e%s^s.c^o*m"> wrote in message
LMAO
>
Freedom Fighter
be sarcastic, condescending, and insulting. Not one bit of logic or
documented evidence behind his denials, just smartass ad-hominem attack.
These trolls are best killfiled and ignored.
Levon
Freedom Fighter wrote:
> These trolls are best killfiled and ignored.
get something straight asswipe
if YOU for one minute believed the bullfunky your selling
HERE'S THE TRUTH NUMBNUTZ
you want us to believe you so that you may
further believe it yourself
you are insecure with your believe
NEEEEXT!!!
TRUTH
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Levon, you are a brainwashed kook! You stupid people believing an absurd
government version that has no proof, and turn a blind eye and empty head
towards cold hard facts. No wonder the country's going down hill! Take
your head out of your silly ass and look at the evidence. Stop running
away from the evidence like a little crying baby. Sooner or later, you,
and the rest of the brainwashed ignoramuses around here, will see
reality. Until then, I reserve the right to call you, and the other
ignorant ignoramuses, brainwashed kooks!
Erik Kline
I'm not enough of a 911 fanatic to travel to Utah.
I wonder if they're filming it. Do you know?
"B Kramer" <Kra...@whoo.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns97423E6...@130.81.64.196...
> Dr. Steven E. Jones
> Physics Professor
> Brigham Young University
>
>
> ********* Paper Put Out For Peer Review ********
>
>
>
> **********************************************************
>
> ****** "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" ******
>
> ** http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html **
>
> **********************************************************
>
>
> Prof. Steven E. Jones will provide an invited seminar open
> to the public at Utah Valley State College in Orem, Utah
> February 1, 2006
>
>
>
> Some 9/11 Resources:
>
> www.911blogger.com
> www.ny911truth.org
> www.911proof.com
> www.911busters.com
>
> 150+ 9/11 Smoking Guns Found in the Mainsteam Media:
> http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
>
> Powerhouse Collection of 9/11 Controlled Demolition Quotes:
> http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4371
>
> More Controlled Demolition Info and Quotes:
> http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?t=4660
>
> Other relevant videos and information: (Quotes, US History)
> http://forums.bluelemur.com/viewtopic.php?p=24588#24588
>
> The Fake bin Laden Video Tape:
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
>
> Building a Better Mirage (NIST Report Deception):
> http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
>
Erik Kline
I'm interested in whether you have any info on whether Dr. Jones' seminar
will be videorecorded. I think it should be. In spite of all the WTC
documentaries that have been produced, I haven't seen a single one that
presents a well reasoned case for doubting the official account of 911 and
the WTC. You have to read to get the picture (so to speak).
I can imagine that some attendees might not want to be videorecorded (just
proves how low civil liberties in this country have sunk). The fact of the
matter, though, is that inevitably an event of this kind who will
photographed and recorded anyway.
--Erik
TRUTH
I posted the message below. ("Kramer" was used to thwarf plonkers.) I
have no direct affiliation with the lecture. Although I do sincerely hope
it will be videotaped.
"Erik Kline" <erik_...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:R%xxf.2002$_S7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
RicodJour
> Hi Erik,
>
> I posted the message below. ("Kramer" was used to thwarf plonkers.)
That little tidbit is being sent to your ISP. I will do that for every
post of yours that I can find on the internet. I hope you have a lot
of computers with different internet addresses to post from, as you are
about to get booted.
R
Matt Barrow
People have made threats, committed fraud, and not gotten booted by their
ISPs.
RicodJour
> >> Hi Erik,
> >>
> >> I posted the message below. ("Kramer" was used to thwarf plonkers.)
> >
> > That little tidbit is being sent to your ISP. I will do that for every
> > post of yours that I can find on the internet. I hope you have a lot
> > of computers with different internet addresses to post from, as you are
> > about to get booted.
> >
> Dream on.
>
> People have made threats, committed fraud, and not gotten booted by their
> ISPs.
I realized that when I reported the guy. If enough people report him
his ISP will do something about it. It's all about numbers.
R
Matt Barrow
their cashflow.
There's a guy hanging around UseNet for a few years that's been the basis of
dozens and possibly hundreds of complaints to SBC Corp. and he's still out
there.