Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
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The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll
but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good
results.
Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.
Is there much of a difference?
ransley
Spray is quicker and easier just be sure of no wind and he has
liability ins, with a 2 mph wind I once got paint on a car 50 ft away.
He who sprays makes alot of money that day! Both ways are fine, things
have to be covered
Smitty Two
"Tube Audio" <tube...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query
after what we just went through? You're a brave man, or maybe foolish.
dpb
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> What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query ...
Yeah, I been wonder wots up w/ the recent spate of stucco, too...
Don't dare ask what he's intending to put on this stucco abode or do we?
:)
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SteveB
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Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty years.
Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into all
the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't have
to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to backroll
obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra time.
Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible on the
dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying and rolling,
except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong with that?
No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the crevices with a
roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of paint each time,
and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal spin of the roller.
Do the spray. If you really want to go better from there, check out the
elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier sprayer. These will flex
and not show the small cracks associated with stucco aging.
Just MHO, what do I know?
Steve
SteveB
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What you mean "WE", white man?
Billy Pilgrim
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Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.
Very simple.
daszki...@yahoo.com
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do not paint stucco. PERIOD. if you ever do ( with eg. latex exterior
paint) breathing ability of stucco will be impaired /suppressed and
you will het mold/fungus/dry rot in between stucco and the wall
Ron
> Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
> moisture and the paint doesn't last.
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> Very simple.
What is your definition of "long"?
I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the
original paint still looks fine.
Billy Pilgrim
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Preaching to the choir. To be honest. I never really knew why. All I
remember is the stucco houses that had been paint usually didn't hold up
well. After some Usenet kooks started to flame me, I looked into it and now
it makes perfect sense. It's like painting a sponge. Any water that gets in,
and it will, soaks the sponge causing the paint to peel. Also, potentially
causing damage to the sub-wall because the paint won't allow the stucco to
dry out like it's supposed to after a rain. Anybody that was seen a dark
stucco house after a rain would know what I'm talking about. The walls are
soaking wet and have to dry out.
Billy Pilgrim
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Hey Ron.
Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I
just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in
Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years.
Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get
riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself.
http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Refinishing_Stucco-Stucco_Walls-A2557.html
http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf
http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html
Be cool!
Ron
> "Ron" <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" <wa...@with.you> wrote:
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> > Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
> > moisture and the paint doesn't last.
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> > Very simple.
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> What is your definition of "long"?
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> I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the
> original paint still looks fine.
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> Hey Ron.
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> Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I
> just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in
> Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years.
>
> Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get
> riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself.
>
Well, I don't know what to say. All I know is, I have a room that was
added on 12 yrs ago, stuccoed and painted and it still looks fine.
And, the front of my home is also painted stucco and the original
paint (over 20 yrs old) was fine when I repainted my home 2 yrs ago.
(paint on block was peeling)
I'm in Florida so maybe that's why I'm not having any problems.
dadiOH
> Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of
> bickering.
Don't give up now, Billy Boy...you are on the verge of becoming a HERO!
Continue your crusade...convince the millions of US homeowners that live in
CB houses covered with painted stucco that they screwed up big
time...educate the builders that are churning out this stupidity even as we
speak. (Maybe talk to a lawyer about a class action suit against the
builders. Toss in the building departments that permit this perfidy too).
And when you finish the US, learn Spanish and carry your crusade to Mexico,
Central America and South of America where there are 10s of millions more -
virtually ALL houses - of those painted abominations . By the time you
finish there, China will be rich enough to have started stuccoing and will
have painted THEIR houses and buildings so study Mandarin at night while you
are saving the Hispanic world.
No, don't stop, continue - you have found your life's work. Once you become
an adult.
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My biggest concern would be water. The house I'm in now has eaves all he way
around it so the walls stay pretty dry.
Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls
get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea.
Once you've painted stucco you're pretty much stuck with painting. So a
stucco recoat would be out of the question.
If your walls are getting wet, I'd suspect you're going to have problems
eventually with mold and paint peeling. If you have eaves, and the walls
stay *dryer*, probably not as much.
Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.
SteveB
the weather is going to be like tomorrow.
Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?
I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.
I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry
out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in
SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a
day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the
next year when the yearly rain came.
So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the
local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las
Vegas, New Mexico.
Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.
Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?
Steve
Billy Pilgrim
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat.
The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire
someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much
too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer.
It's a no brainier.
As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do."
SteveB
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Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences
houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me.
Steve
Smitty Two
<85rkk.279019$SV4.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Billy Pilgrim" <wha...@with.you> wrote:
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> Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.
Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity
and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and
talking about civility?
I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes
don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption
takes longer than fifteen minutes.
Billy Pilgrim
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Go back and READ asshole.
He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame
suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it
asshole?
Billy Pilgrim
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Refinishing_Stucco-Stucco_Walls-A2557.html
http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf
http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html
Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Paint ur stucco loser.
Smitty Two
"Billy Pilgrim" <wha...@with.you> wrote:
> "Smitty Two" <prest...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > In article
> > <85rkk.279019$SV4.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "Billy Pilgrim" <wha...@with.you> wrote:
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> >> Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.
> >
> > Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity
> > and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and
> > talking about civility?
> >
> > I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes
> > don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption
> > takes longer than fifteen minutes.
>
> Go back and READ asshole.
>
> He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame
> suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it
> asshole?
Oh, I don't have to "go back and read," Billy Bob. I did read. And I do
remember. Everyone who disagrees, doubts, or questions you is a fucking
asshole idiot. If there's been a flamer in these stucco threads, it's
you, in spades. "Get it?"
Billy Pilgrim
if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-)
dadiOH
> Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
> the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea.
Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with
adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are
*not* the same thing.
SteveB
"Billy Pilgrim" <wha...@with.you> wrote
> if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-)
And if you continue to write like an 8th grader, that is the way you will be
perceived.
Steve
SteveB
"Billy Pilgrim" <wha...@with.you> wrote in message
I'm done with you, loser. Into the killfile with you.
Steve
Billy Pilgrim
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> Billy Pilgrim wrote:
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>> Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
>> the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea.
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> Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered
> with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland
> base) are *not* the same thing.
>
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you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with
a flat roof.
here is a typical one:
http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html
this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq.
Beautiful...
You can bet this house will never be painted. :)
Billy Pilgrim
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
try alt.hvac or that kook one. they love em'
Billy Pilgrim
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
dadiOH
I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no.
dadiOH
I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no.
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Billy Pilgrim
http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Refinishing_Stucco-Stucco_Walls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.htmlmaybe someone here will argue with you. you certainly have plenty of dittoheads that will agree.i'll go with common sense and past experience.
Billy Pilgrim
Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs
anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your
rebuttal to them.
I have nothing more to say.
dadiOH
> I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly.
>
> Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs
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> anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your
> rebuttal to them.
OK. I moved them here...
> http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Refinishing_Stucco-Stucco_Walls-A2557.html
He is citing someone that says it encourages dry rot. There is nothing to
rot on a masonry house.
> http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf
What about it? The author is explaining lime wash. If someone wants to use
it that is fine with me.
> http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html
He is a contractor peddling something; namely..."We use an acrylic, water
repellant coating product that is made specifically for cement." IOW,
acrylic "varnish".
If he put color in his "acrylic, water repellant coating product" he would
have a transparent, colored coating. If he put in something opaque too he
would have paint.
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> I have nothing more to say.
Promise?
Billy Pilgrim
"dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote in message news:EqMkk.8$Pe2.0@fe95...
> Billy Pilgrim wrote:
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>> I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly.
>>
>> Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs
>>
>> anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your
>> rebuttal to them.
>
> OK. I moved them here...
>
>> http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Refinishing_Stucco-Stucco_Walls-A2557.html
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> He is citing someone that says it encourages dry rot. There is nothing to
> rot on a masonry house.
>
when you reccomend painting, do you ask if the house is a masonary house?
>> http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf
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> What about it? The author is explaining lime wash. If someone wants to
> use it that is fine with me.
>
It also expalins the difficulties of working with stucco that has been
painted. Common problem when people want to get the job done right.
>> http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html
>
> He is a contractor peddling something; namely..."We use an acrylic, water
> repellant coating product that is made specifically for cement." IOW,
> acrylic "varnish".
>
> If he put color in his "acrylic, water repellant coating product" he would
> have a transparent, colored coating. If he put in something opaque too he
> would have paint.
You missed this page
http://www.chicagostucco.com/recoat.html
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>> I have nothing more to say.
>
> Promise?
>
Only in regards to your rebuttals
BTW: I found these websites in a matter of minutes. There is an
overwhelming amount of information with regards to stucco.
Just think of it this way. Stucco soaks up water. When the stucco gets wet
it becomes very hard for the paint to adhere.
Of course there are all the other reasons but I grow tired of going over and
over them. I'm not being rude it's just the truth.
You really don't seem like that bad of a guy. There were a couple of flamers
that got involved in this and you stepped in it.
Really, if you feel you are right fine. But be aware, there is another side
to the story when you give advice. I lived in NM for 40+ years. I've seen
1000 upon 1000 of stucco houses. I've seen them painted and recoated.
Recoated ALWAYS looks better and is more professional looking.
Sorry. That's just the way it is. Nothing you say is going to change that.
:-)
Roger Shoaf
"Billy Pilgrim" <wha...@with.you> wrote in message
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> The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT
STUCCO.
> If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat.
> The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can
hire
> someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're
much
> too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts
longer.
> It's a no brainier.
>
I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with
paint adhesion and zero problems with mold.
The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so it
requires a lot of prep work.
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Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
Billy Pilgrim
> I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with
> paint adhesion and zero problems with mold.
>
> The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so
> it
> requires a lot of prep work.
>
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>
> Roger Shoaf
>
> About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube,
> then
> they come up with this striped stuff.
>
>
I had to sleep on this one. :-)
I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking it
will stick pretty good provided it stays dry.
I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to cement
it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the truth
a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture
provided it stays dry.
Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to
stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate.
Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't*
1st) How do I know it will not get wet?
2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the
question.
3rd) Why would you need to recoat?
Sub 1. Recoating is more attractive if done right,
Sub 2. Much better at repairing cracks and missing stucco
Sub 3. Better at restricting mold. (Which may/may-not not be seen)
Sub 4. All the other reasons recoating is better.
Thanks for not flaming me. I have BP issues I'm constantly monitoring. :-),
A flamer's dream!
Roger Shoaf
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My walls get wet both when it rains and when the sprinklers hit. I suspect
the problems you are worried about stem from the imitation stucco that was
the results of the lawsuits a while back. Stucco has been used as an
exterior coating for a long time with great results.
The real stucco I am referring to is put on in three coats and ends up about
7/8" thick. The fake stucco is sprayed on and is about 1/8" thick.
Crack repair in real stucco can be done if needed, but if the house is built
on a good foundation, there is not much reason for it to crack in the first
place.
dadiOH
> I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also
> thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry.
It sticks even if it doesn't stay dry.
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> I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to
> cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to
> stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to
> rough stucco texture provided it stays dry.
1. Get in a car
2. Drive until you find a concrete highway
3. Look at the road
See those lines along the sides and/or middle? That's paint. I have no
idea if it is water or oil base paint but either would work. And roads get
wet.
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>
> Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it
> okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate.
>
> Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't*
>
> 1st) How do I know it will not get wet?
With all your concern about "wet" and you living in NM, I'm still wondering
if you are actually talking about adobe rather than stucco. Adobe is mud.
Mud with sand and an organic material like straw. Mud does not do well with
lots of rain. Stucco has a Portland cement base. Stucco laughs at rain.
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> 2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of
> the question.
Good thing because I, for one, would not want to do so. Either the existing
stucco would have to be removed - a horrendous job - or cleaned *really*
well. In the latter case, you'd wind up with walls another 3/4" or so
thicker. Might be OK, might not. Not if it covers up stuff like hose bibs.
I keep thinking you may be talking about cementacious paint when you talk
about recoating. It dries hard like stucco but is not stucco - its paint
with a cement binder.
Billy Pilgrim
pushing it. but in houses with no eaves you really don't want to paint
because the parapet is completely exposed to the elements.
i don't think the city uses latex on the roads :)
make sure your wall stays dry.
mighty whitey
Your full of crap stucco houses are painted all the time In las vegas and Ive
never heard of the ill effects your spouting.
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Oren
<caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote:
>replying to Billy Pilgrim, mighty whitey wrote:
>Your full of crap stucco houses are painted all the time In las vegas and Ive
>never heard of the ill effects your spouting.
You can even buy stucco paint LMAO
Arnie
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Arnie
Excellent post, dadiOH !