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jpr...@my-deja.com
Jul 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/9/99
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I'm currently having a home built. The builder accidently poured the
foundation for the wrong elevation of our house. The differences are
minimal, but I am very concerned. Across the middle of the front of
the house the basement is supposed to jet out 2ft and run to the side
of the garage wall(about 6ft) The front now goes straight across. The
builder says that this is no problem. They will just catalever(sp) the
2ft extension(extend it out over the end of the foundation.) I would
then only loose approx 12sft of basement. The problem I have with this
is that after the stoop is put(poured)into place there would be an
unaccessable cavity between the basement wall, stoop, ground, and peace
of basement that sticks out to support the stoop, garage wall and wood
floor of house. I'm worried that moisture would not be able to escape
this cavity and would start to rot the studs and flooring.
foundation for the wrong elevation of our house. The differences are
minimal, but I am very concerned. Across the middle of the front of
the house the basement is supposed to jet out 2ft and run to the side
of the garage wall(about 6ft) The front now goes straight across. The
builder says that this is no problem. They will just catalever(sp) the
2ft extension(extend it out over the end of the foundation.) I would
then only loose approx 12sft of basement. The problem I have with this
is that after the stoop is put(poured)into place there would be an
unaccessable cavity between the basement wall, stoop, ground, and peace
of basement that sticks out to support the stoop, garage wall and wood
floor of house. I'm worried that moisture would not be able to escape
this cavity and would start to rot the studs and flooring.
The other option they gave me is to cut out that part of the front of
the basement and re-pour just the necessary parts to bring the basement
to the correct shape. This scares the begeebees out of me. Have any
of you had this done? What would be the chances of this leaking in the
future after this process be?
And they also need to move the corner of the garage foundation over 2
feet. I'm not quite as worried about this because it is not part of
the basement, but will this cause an problems in the future?
Do I have a valid concerns for these, or am I worring too much. I
don't want to make mountains out of molehills, but I'm spending a lot
of money for this house and I would like it to last for a reasonable
length of time.
I feel that either way I'm paying for their mistake.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
John Prass
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TBone
Jul 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/9/99
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Three words: Get it right.
We just closed on our project and my only advice is that you are spending
the money...you should get what you want.
If you lose SqFt in the basement will the GC lose some of his fee ?
If you don't get what you want or are now worried will the GC lose some of
his fee ?
Don't take no crap.
--
TimW, Halfordian Golfer
"A Cash Flow Runs Through It..."
"Guilt replaced the creel..."
Carl Houghland
Jul 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/9/99
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DO NOT let them tell you that there are options! The GC told you he'd do
the job according to the specs/plans provided. If it has to be redone then
that's the GC's cost, not yours. My main concern would be that if the guy
can't pour a slab what is going to come next. Either way it's your house
next year and you will be living in it not the GC! So it's best if you get
everything straight now and let the GC know that this screw up is not going
to be "fixed" by the options he has provided for you! Rather, if it comes
to it, he will have to do it right...you know, the way it was supposed to be
done the first time!
the job according to the specs/plans provided. If it has to be redone then
that's the GC's cost, not yours. My main concern would be that if the guy
can't pour a slab what is going to come next. Either way it's your house
next year and you will be living in it not the GC! So it's best if you get
everything straight now and let the GC know that this screw up is not going
to be "fixed" by the options he has provided for you! Rather, if it comes
to it, he will have to do it right...you know, the way it was supposed to be
done the first time!
Good Luck!
DARJAY
Jul 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/10/99
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In article <7m5but$fpd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jpr...@my-deja.com wrote:> I'mAny help would be appreciated.> > Thanks> > John Prass> If you ask me, the
builder sounds like he is completely incompetent. Anybody that would pour the
wrong footings for a house, when plans are right in fr
builder sounds like he is completely incompetent. Anybody that would pour the
wrong footings for a house, when plans are right in fr
Luki
Jul 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/10/99
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Being a contractor, I understand how some things can get missed, but to
start a project and not even complete the footings/foundation correctly is a
sure sign of future problems. I would recommend obtaining the services of
an independent engineer/inspector to oversee either the options the
contractor gave you (if you go that route) or the removal and subsequent
construction of the proper footers and foundation. The money would be well
spent and possibly could be recouped from the GC. Whatever you do, get it
right now because it will be too late once the framing starts!!!
jpr...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7m5but$fpd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
start a project and not even complete the footings/foundation correctly is a
sure sign of future problems. I would recommend obtaining the services of
an independent engineer/inspector to oversee either the options the
contractor gave you (if you go that route) or the removal and subsequent
construction of the proper footers and foundation. The money would be well
spent and possibly could be recouped from the GC. Whatever you do, get it
right now because it will be too late once the framing starts!!!
jpr...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7m5but$fpd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Roger
Jul 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/13/99
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I would make him tear out the foundation and repour. The
contractor should have completed operations insurance and
that should cover his costs. By the way, you probably have
two contractors involved. The builder and the foundation
sub, in which case both should have insurance. But make
sure the foundation plan matches the floor plan. The plan
preparer may have drawn the plan for a two foot cantilever,
in which case you will probably have to live with it or pay
for the removal.
I built for many years and only had one problem
foundation. The sub I used had poured many for me, but
they poured one 1 foot out of square. At the time I didn't
think it would be to large of a problem. It was a spec
house, the sub had insurance to pay for the removal. But I
decided against it. We decided to make up the differences
in the framing on the back side, which had the kitchen. I
made sure the walls in the kitchen were square and angled
the walls in the dining room and family room which was on
each side of the kitchen. That was fine. Now the only
problem was to make sure the people picked out a carpet
that didn't have a pattern in it. Or, so I thought.
Framing the roof was a much larger problem.
If I had it to do again. I would make the sub tear it out.
ro...@builderforms.com
contractor should have completed operations insurance and
that should cover his costs. By the way, you probably have
two contractors involved. The builder and the foundation
sub, in which case both should have insurance. But make
sure the foundation plan matches the floor plan. The plan
preparer may have drawn the plan for a two foot cantilever,
in which case you will probably have to live with it or pay
for the removal.
I built for many years and only had one problem
foundation. The sub I used had poured many for me, but
they poured one 1 foot out of square. At the time I didn't
think it would be to large of a problem. It was a spec
house, the sub had insurance to pay for the removal. But I
decided against it. We decided to make up the differences
in the framing on the back side, which had the kitchen. I
made sure the walls in the kitchen were square and angled
the walls in the dining room and family room which was on
each side of the kitchen. That was fine. Now the only
problem was to make sure the people picked out a carpet
that didn't have a pattern in it. Or, so I thought.
Framing the roof was a much larger problem.
If I had it to do again. I would make the sub tear it out.
ro...@builderforms.com
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tcper...@gmail.com
Apr 5, 2019, 11:17:25 AM4/5/19
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I'm currently having a home built as well. One of the foundation walls was poured out of square. One end of the wall was poured at the correct location. The framers noticed it was incorrect. My garage floor is already poured, which about it. My contractor has said he'll make up the space in the laundry room. The mistake ate into the side if my garage by 8 inches. Do you think this is acceptable?
Randy333
Apr 9, 2019, 10:03:32 AM4/9/19
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Have them fix it, or give you several thousand dollars off the price.
This happed to my Dad on our two car detached garage he had built, Got
the bulder to deduct the price of ALL the concrete work, footer,
foudation and slab.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:17:23 -0700 (PDT), tcper...@gmail.com wrote:
>I'm currently having a home built as well. One of the foundation walls was poured out of square. One end of the wall was poured at the correct location. The framers noticed it was incorrect. My garage floor is already poured, which about it. My contractor has said he'll make up the space in the laundry room. The mistake ate into the side if my garage by 8 inches. Do you think this is acceptable?
Remove 333 to reply.
Randy
This happed to my Dad on our two car detached garage he had built, Got
the bulder to deduct the price of ALL the concrete work, footer,
foudation and slab.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:17:23 -0700 (PDT), tcper...@gmail.com wrote:
>I'm currently having a home built as well. One of the foundation walls was poured out of square. One end of the wall was poured at the correct location. The framers noticed it was incorrect. My garage floor is already poured, which about it. My contractor has said he'll make up the space in the laundry room. The mistake ate into the side if my garage by 8 inches. Do you think this is acceptable?
Randy
4x4 Funfar
Apr 17, 2020, 4:44:03 PM4/17/20
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replying to tcperry1978, 4x4 Funfar wrote:
This is not uncommon, which is why the GC should measure B4 the pour, which
is not always possible. But absolutely most definitely after the forms are
removed, before any framing, the entire foundation should be measured by GC.
This way they know the Floor and roof truss package is going to work and if
not do something now before they are ordered/delivered. Anyway... it is the
GC’s responsibility to take this up w the concrete sub and work something
out in the order of a discount for you. Or he should eat the cost of a
discount himself for not measuring twice. ;] Now Depending on what part of
the country you live in it might be possible to pour a new footing for the
garage wall so you get what you ordered. And yes he or the concrete sub (all
for him to deal w) should eat the cost of doing such along w the cost of
cutting any excess concrete away that would be where it wasn’t ordered. It
may not look the prettiest in the end but they can rent a concrete resurfacer
n install a proper expansion joint to remedy their mistake. the good thing is
that this whole biznass will be right along the wall n likely covered up by
whatever you end up storing there. Hope I’m Makin sense to you. Good luck.
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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/construction/builder-screwup-pouring-foundation-22384-.htm
This is not uncommon, which is why the GC should measure B4 the pour, which
is not always possible. But absolutely most definitely after the forms are
removed, before any framing, the entire foundation should be measured by GC.
This way they know the Floor and roof truss package is going to work and if
not do something now before they are ordered/delivered. Anyway... it is the
GC’s responsibility to take this up w the concrete sub and work something
out in the order of a discount for you. Or he should eat the cost of a
discount himself for not measuring twice. ;] Now Depending on what part of
the country you live in it might be possible to pour a new footing for the
garage wall so you get what you ordered. And yes he or the concrete sub (all
for him to deal w) should eat the cost of doing such along w the cost of
cutting any excess concrete away that would be where it wasn’t ordered. It
may not look the prettiest in the end but they can rent a concrete resurfacer
n install a proper expansion joint to remedy their mistake. the good thing is
that this whole biznass will be right along the wall n likely covered up by
whatever you end up storing there. Hope I’m Makin sense to you. Good luck.
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/construction/builder-screwup-pouring-foundation-22384-.htm
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