Slightly OT: Firefly 1x09
Dave Emberton
appeared of 1x09 so I assume it was on on Friday. Anyone know for sure?
Dave
Mattia Valente
Dave Emberton wrote:
> I thought Firefly was off until at least January, but there's an SVCD
> appeared of 1x09 so I assume it was on on Friday. Anyone know for sure?
Oh, it's on. And it's not on break. 'War Stories' aired yesterday, we've
got one new ep next week, and a 2-parter, the original unaired pilot in
some sort of form, on the 20th. THEN we're on break. Already seen it,
may comment on it later..
While I'm on the subject, there's new Buffy next week. As in, not this
coming Tuesday, but next Tuesday.
Mattia
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with a large tub of ice cream. What's it to ya?" - Tim Minear
Dave Emberton
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> Well, um, we discuss FF here. And pretend it's not OT, so...
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> Dave Emberton wrote:
> > I thought Firefly was off until at least January, but there's an SVCD
> > appeared of 1x09 so I assume it was on on Friday. Anyone know for sure?
>
> Oh, it's on. And it's not on break. 'War Stories' aired yesterday, we've
> got one new ep next week, and a 2-parter, the original unaired pilot in
> some sort of form, on the 20th. THEN we're on break. Already seen it,
> may comment on it later..
So they're showing the original 2-parter pilot as a 2-parter? I feared it
might end up being sliced and diced, so that's good news.
> While I'm on the subject, there's new Buffy next week. As in, not this
> coming Tuesday, but next Tuesday.
Woo and indeed Hoo. Thought that was off until January too.
Dave
Tafka
8 Dec 2002 15:41:21 -0000 in alt.buffy.europe said:
>> While I'm on the subject, there's new Buffy next week. As in, not this
>> coming Tuesday, but next Tuesday.
>
>Woo and indeed Hoo. Thought that was off until January too.
See message posted earlier in the week about it...
-Tafka-
i was scared, i was scared
tired and underprepared
but i'll wait for you
Mark Evans
> Well, um, we discuss FF here. And pretend it's not OT, so...
> Dave Emberton wrote:
>> I thought Firefly was off until at least January, but there's an SVCD
>> appeared of 1x09 so I assume it was on on Friday. Anyone know for sure?
> Oh, it's on. And it's not on break. 'War Stories' aired yesterday, we've
> got one new ep next week, and a 2-parter, the original unaired pilot in
> some sort of form, on the 20th. THEN we're on break. Already seen it,
> may comment on it later..
A pity it wasn't shown as the pilot. Since "The Train Job" dosn't
make the best of introductions of the characters.
Jonathan Dupont
> I thought Firefly was off until at least January, but there's an SVCD
> appeared of 1x09 so I assume it was on on Friday. Anyone know for sure?
>
> Dave
When even Internet hardcore people don't know the show's still on,
something's gone very, very wrong... Anyway 3 Joss episodes coming up
if you haven't already seen the pilot, so it should be good times.
Even though nobody else seems to care enough, I really think War
Stories was worth commenting on.
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Why is it all the new ME people have been so good? Okay, so I wasn't
that impressed with the new Angel double, but I wasn't annoyed either.
They made more than a solid entry. Ultimate Drew's star of the moment,
and Ben Edlund did a good job. I was kind of anxious about yet another
newbie in Cheryl Cain, but couldn't really have expected more.
I don't think it was the best episode yet, as some people are claiming
- it was definitely IMO not at "Out of Gas" label - but I'd probably
put it not that far below grouped in with "Our Mrs Reynolds." They
even started to use some more continuity, but mostly self contained,
which I'm happy with. For now I'm enjoying the change of pace from
Buffy and Angel.
The good : the repeated twist of cliches. ("That will only be enough
to pay for one...", "He needs to fight this one for himself..." etc.)
The torture fun - made sense, moved the plot along, was very funny,
gave insight to the characters - what more to ask for? The final fun
gun fight, which was in a pure action scene sort of way. Lots of good
stunts, but nice to know that they're not all perfect. "No power in
the 'verse" can stop me was fairly chilling I thought, as well, and
showed good progression on the River front.
The not so good : Wash's sulk seemed a bit out of nowhere. The lesbian
scene was incredibly blatant, but I'll let them off 'cause they need
it due to have the lowest ratings yet.
It just makes no sense to me - Fox has 2 weeks to advertise a show
with 2 lesbians, torture scene, men on fire, cool gun fight .... how
do you go wrong with that one?
Ah well, nice while it lasted... I mean, keep your hopes us,
Jon
Dr Zoidberg
> "Dave Emberton" <notint...@notinterested.in.your.spam.com> wrote
> in message news:<3df364ba$0$229$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>...
>> I thought Firefly was off until at least January, but there's an SVCD
>> appeared of 1x09 so I assume it was on on Friday. Anyone know for
>> sure?
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>> Dave
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> When even Internet hardcore people don't know the show's still on,
> something's gone very, very wrong... Anyway 3 Joss episodes coming up
> if you haven't already seen the pilot, so it should be good times.
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> Even though nobody else seems to care enough, I really think War
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Perhaps they are all bemoaning the lack of a US spoilers group ;-)
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> I don't think it was the best episode yet, as some people are claiming
> - it was definitely IMO not at "Out of Gas" label - but I'd probably
> put it not that far below grouped in with "Our Mrs Reynolds.
I think Ariel has been my fave so far with this very close behind.
> They
> even started to use some more continuity, but mostly self contained,
> which I'm happy with. For now I'm enjoying the change of pace from
> Buffy and Angel.
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> The good : the repeated twist of cliches. ("That will only be enough
> to pay for one...", "He needs to fight this one for himself..." etc.)
> The torture fun - made sense, moved the plot along, was very funny,
> gave insight to the characters - what more to ask for?
I'm glad they have dropped the made up english swear words like Ruttin. They
just didn't seem to fit right unlike the unknown language they come out with
now which sounds less forced.
> The final fun
> gun fight, which was in a pure action scene sort of way.
I thought the bible was against murder?
It is , but its less clear on kneecappings
> Lots of good
> stunts, but nice to know that they're not all perfect. "No power in
> the 'verse" can stop me was fairly chilling I thought, as well, and
> showed good progression on the River front.
Yep , the story seems to be coming along nicely and the character is
becoming more likeable although not as much as Kaylee ;-)
> The not so good : Wash's sulk seemed a bit out of nowhere.
True ,although it was needed to set up some of the good mal/wash dialogue.
If only they had introduced it in a previous episode.
> The lesbian
> scene was incredibly blatant, but I'll let them off 'cause they need
> it due to have the lowest ratings yet.
And its not as fake as Hoshi's clothes falling off each week in enterprise.
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> It just makes no sense to me - Fox has 2 weeks to advertise a show
> with 2 lesbians, torture scene, men on fire, cool gun fight .... how
> do you go wrong with that one?
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And Enterprise is seemingly untouchable?!?!?!?
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger"
"Then I hide until it goes away"
Iain Clark
Yep. Good episode, but a bit clunky early on and slow getting
started. Or maybe I'm just too used to a constant stream of killer
quips, these days!
Still, all the character stuff really paid off as the episode
progressed, to the point where this is definitely one of the best to
date. Out of Gas and Our Mrs Reynolds were in a different league,
though.
>I think Ariel has been my fave so far with this very close behind.
>
Ariel was a good, solid episode. Above average, but it didn't impress
me as much as some others.
>> The good : the repeated twist of cliches. ("That will only be enough
>> to pay for one...", "He needs to fight this one for himself..." etc.)
>> The torture fun - made sense, moved the plot along, was very funny,
>> gave insight to the characters - what more to ask for?
>
Really great moment, those :-)
>I'm glad they have dropped the made up english swear words like Ruttin. They
>just didn't seem to fit right unlike the unknown language they come out with
>now which sounds less forced.
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We still got a "gorramn" this week, briefly. The oriental swearing
(real language? made up?) works really well for me. I wish they'd
emphasise some of the oriental aspects a bit more in the costumes,
sets and casting.
>> The final fun
>> gun fight, which was in a pure action scene sort of way.
>
Good scene, but the fight choreography seemed a bit awkward in places,
especially that very naff forward roll that Zoe did. To be honest
there were several moments that the main cast should have been filled
full o' lead.
>I thought the bible was against murder?
>It is , but its less clear on kneecappings
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<g>
What I liked about this episode was the way the various themes -
jealousy, loyalty, trial by ordeal - came back in unexpected ways. So
Wash's jealousy over Zoe became the means by which Mal kept him sane,
and also created some of the bond he envied between Mal and Zoe in the
first place. The demands of interpersonal relationships - sexual,
non-sexual, and wish-they-were-sexual - was paralleled with Inara
(really the only thing the gratuitous lesbianism added to the
episode!) The idea of torture revealing your inner self came back at
the end in the showdown for Mal, and indeed River. The war stories
theme also related to the "leave no man behind" philosophy of the
crew's rescue. It felt nicely structured without being overdone.
>> The not so good : Wash's sulk seemed a bit out of nowhere.
>
>True ,although it was needed to set up some of the good mal/wash dialogue.
>If only they had introduced it in a previous episode.
>
Yes, it was a bit of a one-episode crisis. Luckily it was plausible.
>> The lesbian
>> scene was incredibly blatant, but I'll let them off 'cause they need
>> it due to have the lowest ratings yet.
>
I thought they were going to go the tasteful off-screen route at
first, but that scene was amazingly blatant, as you say!
>> It just makes no sense to me - Fox has 2 weeks to advertise a show
>> with 2 lesbians, torture scene, men on fire, cool gun fight .... how
>> do you go wrong with that one?
>>
"That western in space show? I saw a bit of it a few months ago. It
was crap".
Final thought: I'd been hoping the war flashbacks in the opening
credits were from this episode, but sadly not.
Iain
--
"Caught a bolt of lightning
Cursed the day he let it go"
Niall Harrison
> Final thought: I'd been hoping the war flashbacks in the opening
> credits were from this episode, but sadly not.
I know!
I'm starting to think they filmed those bits especially for that intro.
That would be a bummer.
Niall
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When memes collide.
Mattia Valente
Indeed.
> I'm starting to think they filmed those bits especially for that intro.
> That would be a bummer.
Right there with you. I so need big space battle and land battle
goodness avec backstory type, erm, stuff. I'm optimistic, though :-)
William George Ferguson
>>I'm glad they have dropped the made up english swear words like Ruttin. They
>>just didn't seem to fit right unlike the unknown language they come out with
>>now which sounds less forced.
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>We still got a "gorramn" this week, briefly. The oriental swearing
>(real language? made up?) works really well for me. I wish they'd
>emphasise some of the oriental aspects a bit more in the costumes,
>sets and casting.
Mandarin Chinese. Apparently spoken with a horrible accent (according
to various Chinese speakers on rec.arts.sf.tv and
alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer)
>>> The final fun
>>> gun fight, which was in a pure action scene sort of way.
>>
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>Good scene, but the fight choreography seemed a bit awkward in places,
>especially that very naff forward roll that Zoe did. To be honest
>there were several moments that the main cast should have been filled
>full o' lead.
Probably the one moment that worked best (okay, 2nd best, "No I
don't!" worked best) was the one clearly impossible one, River in
superhuman assasin mode.
>>I thought the bible was against murder?
>>It is , but its less clear on kneecappings
>>
><g>
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>>> It just makes no sense to me - Fox has 2 weeks to advertise a show
>>> with 2 lesbians, torture scene, men on fire, cool gun fight .... how
>>> do you go wrong with that one?
>>>
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>"That western in space show? I saw a bit of it a few months ago. It
>was crap".
I didn't see or hear of one promo ad for the show on Fox. Yeah,
keeping the punchline of Inara's client being a woman was cool, but
getting viewers would also be cool.
>Final thought: I'd been hoping the war flashbacks in the opening
>credits were from this episode, but sadly not.
December 20th, two hours, "Serenity", oodles and gobs of the opening
credits scenes finally shown in context, be there.
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Dave Emberton
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> just didn't seem to fit right unlike the unknown language they come out
with
> now which sounds less forced.
Yes, made up swear words is one of the (many) things I hate about Farscape.
So please lets not have any more.
> I thought the bible was against murder?
> It is , but its less clear on kneecappings
LOL.
> > The lesbian
> > scene was incredibly blatant, but I'll let them off 'cause they need
> > it due to have the lowest ratings yet.
>
> And its not as fake as Hoshi's clothes falling off each week in
enterprise.
Really? I might have to start watching Enterprise ;-)
Dave
Dr Zoidberg
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOOO!!!!!@Drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
>> And its not as fake as Hoshi's clothes falling off each week in
>> enterprise.
>
> Really? I might have to start watching Enterprise ;-)
>
Save yourself the bother , its not worth it at the moment :-0
dieter
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> Even though nobody else seems to care enough, I really think War
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Agreed!
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> I don't think it was the best episode yet, as some people are claiming
> - it was definitely IMO not at "Out of Gas" label - but I'd probably
> put it not that far below grouped in with "Our Mrs Reynolds." They
> even started to use some more continuity, but mostly self contained,
Yes, although the order of the eps isn't as intended, most have been seen
now, so there's enough continuity-goodness :)
This whole thing is really starting to reel me in. It has taken a while but
I do love the show enough to be seriously dissapointed if it gets
cancelled.
> The good : the repeated twist of cliches. ("That will only be enough
> to pay for one...", "He needs to fight this one for himself..." etc.)
> The torture fun - made sense, moved the plot along, was very funny,
> gave insight to the characters - what more to ask for? The final fun
> gun fight, which was in a pure action scene sort of way. Lots of good
> stunts, but nice to know that they're not all perfect. "No power in
> the 'verse" can stop me was fairly chilling I thought, as well, and
> showed good progression on the River front.
That last River-remark was indeed kind of scary. Good stuff, makes you
wonder what's really going on beneath the surface.
And Mal's comment "no I don't!" had me laughing out loud.
> The not so good : Wash's sulk seemed a bit out of nowhere.
Mwah, didn't bother me.
>The lesbian
> scene was incredibly blatant, but I'll let them off 'cause they need
> it due to have the lowest ratings yet.
Well, the male pig in me hesitates to complain, but to be honest it wasn't
needed. I was truly surprised at seeing a female client though and Jayne's
comment "I going to my bunk" was priceless :)
> It just makes no sense to me - Fox has 2 weeks to advertise a show
> with 2 lesbians, torture scene, men on fire, cool gun fight .... how
> do you go wrong with that one?
>
> Ah well, nice while it lasted... I mean, keep your hopes us,
I want to keep my hopes up, I really do. I actually like it more than
enough to give a shit when they cancel it. I even signed the SaveFirefly
petition :)
Dieter
Dan Milburn
Nah, not as good as Out of Gas. Still damn good though. I've said
elsewhere, I thought the start the show got was a bit shaky (and that
wasn't really their fault), but I don't think there's been a bad episode
since 'Our Mrs Reynolds'.
> They even
> started to use some more continuity, but mostly self contained, which
> I'm happy with. For now I'm enjoying the change of pace from Buffy and
> Angel.
Well, I'm just plain enjoying it more than Angel. But also, it is nice to have
something without all the history.
> The good : the repeated twist of cliches. ("That will only be enough to
> pay for one...", "He needs to fight this one for himself..." etc.) The
> torture fun - made sense, moved the plot along, was very funny, gave
> insight to the characters - what more to ask for? The final fun gun
> fight, which was in a pure action scene sort of way. Lots of good
> stunts, but nice to know that they're not all perfect. "No power in the
> 'verse" can stop me was fairly chilling I thought, as well, and showed
> good progression on the River front.
All good stuff. Kaylee was really freaked out by River as well - I can
see more happening on that front.
> The not so good : Wash's sulk seemed a bit out of nowhere.
A little bit. Didn't seem unnatural to me, though, and I can forgive it
cos all the Mal/Wash scenes were so good.
> The lesbian
> scene was incredibly blatant, but I'll let them off 'cause they need it
> due to have the lowest ratings yet.
Jayne: "I'll be in my bunk." Doing a spell, no doubt. ;) The reactions
of Jayne, Kaylee and Book were priceless.
> It just makes no sense to me - Fox has 2 weeks to advertise a show with
> 2 lesbians, torture scene, men on fire, cool gun fight .... how do you
> go wrong with that one?
Somehow, they managed it.
Oh, and did anyone else notice that the desert scenes were in the exact
same location as they used in Buffy for 'Restless', 'Intervention' and
'Weight of the World'? :)
Dan
