Buffy 3.05 Homecoming
P@rick
about as far as I'm concerned. But before I go on:
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Shocking news! They finally kissed! Yay!
But why now? Now that they're both involved. Because it leads to drama,
that's why!
It's so tragic. Willow finally gets a shot at the guy she's been longing
for. But only after she and him already got involved. This is what Willow
has been dreaming about all these years (day and night). With the exception
of Cordelia and Oz not appearing in these dreams.
Actually, seeing them kiss brings out cheering mode at first. But reality
mode strikes back, realizing that it's all too late. This would have worked
a year ago. Willow is with Oz now, and I think they are a better match. But
it looks like Willow has yet to discover that. Right now she's falling back
into old habits (well not actual habits, more like feelings). Seems she's
not quite passed Xander yet.
But what's with Xander here? He has never shown any interest in Will. Not
like this. What, did one dress change his mind about her? I agree she
looked.. Well, I didn't even think she looked better than usual. But Xander
wraps his feelings up with "when I look at you now, it's like I'm seeing you
for the first time" later on. So I guess the dress merely opened his eyes to
the loveliness that is Willow.
Good thing it wasn't settled in this episode. They don't know how to
proceed. Willow has a real choice here. Xander was her first love and she
still has feelings for him apparently. Oz is her present boyfriend and she
loves him too. Not to mention the feelings of guilt (being the sensitive
person she is) she'll be feeling towards Oz. She's actually cheating on him.
Shame on her! I like Oz. It's safe to say Willow is a victim of her own
feelings here, and she's not much experienced in dealing with them. But it's
obvious that she (and not her and Xander) has to make a choice soon.
As for Xander, he shows more feelings for Willow than he has ever done for
Cordy. Like Cordy, he must be having doubts about their relation. But unlike
Cordy, Xander hasn't decided on it yet. This should be fun! A beautiful and
popular girl finally is attracted to him, and he's developing feelings for a
bookworm. Well, nothing wrong with books is there?
And oh yeah. Buffy was in this ep also. Got quite a bit of screentime too.
Buffy and Cordelia competing for HQ was a hoot. And The Fluke making matters
worse is a nice touch. As Willow nicely put it:
"Because: we felt so guilty about the fluke, we overcompensated helping
Cordelia, and we spun the whole group dynamic out of orbit, and we're just a
big meteor shower heading for Earth..."
Nice moments with Buffy and Cordy together. Cordy was marvellous when she
scared off the vampire. Cordy at her best!
The whole Slayer Fest, well, let's forget about that shall we? Although it
is smart to sent hitmen after Buffy. After all, she is pretty vulnerable to
bullits and grenades. But that doesn't help if your grenade only detonates a
few hours after you launched it...
Mayor Wilkins seems to be in control. And he seems to have a Major Plan.
Guess we'll be seeing more of him. I liked it that he wasn't even bothered
having a vampire in his office. Maybe he knows his blood tastes awful. Just
like mosquitos seem to have a preference for certain people's blood.
Can you believe Scott? First he is excited that Buffy goes to the prom with
him. Then he dumps her. Idiot! But I guess he would be clearing the stage
anyway once Angel is back in full shape. Which he seems to be getting
pronto. Guess he's a flexible guy. Adapts quickly to his environment. I
wonder what scars the Sabattical in Hell has left on him.
Before I forget, Willow and Xander moping at the dance was priceless.
Especially when Giles tried to scare them "We have to find Buffy. Something
terrible's happened". No reaction at all!. Like I said, this W/X thing could
be fun!
Bye, Patrick
--
Keeper of the Willowism, "And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!"
Defender of the Lost Willowism, "Yeah, Most of it!"
Keeper of the Wily Willow Charms
Mattia Valente
thread..;-)
"P@rick" wrote:
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> I would nickname this episode The Big Fluke. That was what this episode was
> about as far as I'm concerned. But before I go on:
Lotsa important stuff (and some funny) happens...Not a very good ep
overall though..
Yay!
Exactly! I don't really mind it, although its a bit of a simplistic
cheap thrill. Incredibly funny scene though, probably my fave in this ep
(well, after Cordy's little faceoff, that is ;-)
> It's so tragic. Willow finally gets a shot at the guy she's been longing
> for. But only after she and him already got involved. This is what Willow
> has been dreaming about all these years (day and night). With the exception
> of Cordelia and Oz not appearing in these dreams.
Uh, agree on all counts. She should have been more assertive in the past
and Xander should have been a lot less blind (this settles it, he's an
idiot...well, actually, S1 eps settled that idiocy, but I digress ;-)
> Actually, seeing them kiss brings out cheering mode at first. But reality
> mode strikes back, realizing that it's all too late. This would have worked
> a year ago. Willow is with Oz now, and I think they are a better match. But
> it looks like Willow has yet to discover that. Right now she's falling back
> into old habits (well not actual habits, more like feelings). Seems she's
> not quite passed Xander yet.
Agree again. Its a moment we've all been waiting for, but as you said in
the beginning, "WHY NOW?!?!?!?" grr...annoying. It does open up a world
of possible plotlines and make the whole dating gamething more
interesting: 2 stable dating couples and a single Buffy? Boooring...;-)
Agree that Oz is better for Willow than Xander is. They click. She has
to get over her suppressed feelings for Xander first though. Been
bottled up for years, all them desires, etc. Will cause Will <geddit?> a
bunch of grief, given that she is fond of self flagellation and
chastisement (aka guilt tripping...see this ep with the really easy
blackmailing tactic employed by the Buffster for proof :)
> But what's with Xander here? He has never shown any interest in Will. Not
> like this. What, did one dress change his mind about her? I agree she
> looked.. Well, I didn't even think she looked better than usual. But Xander
> wraps his feelings up with "when I look at you now, it's like I'm seeing you
> for the first time" later on. So I guess the dress merely opened his eyes to
> the loveliness that is Willow.
Well, its showing Xander is growing. Quite literaly. Part of his brain
just grew. He can now see the incredibly bloody obvious. As for the
dress, maybe it was the double whammy of formal wear (his and hers..)
instead of fuzzy sweaters that did it (finally) There is some hope for
salvations for the X man. Don't get me wrong, I like him, but he has
been a blind fool for 2 seasons as far is Willow is concerned ;-)
> Good thing it wasn't settled in this episode. They don't know how to
> proceed. Willow has a real choice here. Xander was her first love and she
> still has feelings for him apparently. Oz is her present boyfriend and she
> loves him too. Not to mention the feelings of guilt (being the sensitive
> person she is) she'll be feeling towards Oz. She's actually cheating on him.
I predict it dragging on for several eps. Its a great potential source
of much humor and drama[1] Cheating, guilty feelings, akwardness. Not to
metion the fact that none of the members of the Scooby Gang (with the
possible exception of Giles..) can lie worth anything at all..See, for
example, NKABOTFD. Wholly unconvincing BS-ing ;-)
> Shame on her! I like Oz. It's safe to say Willow is a victim of her own
> feelings here, and she's not much experienced in dealing with them. But it's
> obvious that she (and not her and Xander) has to make a choice soon.
<Stunned> You just chastised Willow! Shocking! :-) They both have to
choose though. Granted Willow is the more obviouse choice for choosage,
given that she's the 'level headed' one (supposedly..)
> As for Xander, he shows more feelings for Willow than he has ever done for
> Cordy. Like Cordy, he must be having doubts about their relation. But unlike
> Cordy, Xander hasn't decided on it yet. This should be fun! A beautiful and
> popular girl finally is attracted to him, and he's developing feelings for a
> bookworm. Well, nothing wrong with books is there?
Thing with his relationship with Cordy is that he (and Willow) spent
years and years being mocked and put down by her, so the attraction is
odd, and ackward, for him. "..You're dating Cordelia. We all have
Issues" in Anne is one of the many quotes on the subject. He trusts and
knows Willow really well, doesn't really know Cordy that well, they
don't exactly have a simple, clear cut relationship...Much Funness I
forsee! :-p
> And oh yeah. Buffy was in this ep also. Got quite a bit of screentime too.
> Buffy and Cordelia competing for HQ was a hoot. And The Fluke making matters
> worse is a nice touch. As Willow nicely put it:
> "Because: we felt so guilty about the fluke, we overcompensated helping
> Cordelia, and we spun the whole group dynamic out of orbit, and we're just a
> big meteor shower heading for Earth..."
Yes. Much agree.
> Nice moments with Buffy and Cordy together. Cordy was marvellous when she
> scared off the vampire. Cordy at her best!
IMHO, thats probably the best scene in the ep, esp where character
development is concerned. Brilliant stuff!
> The whole Slayer Fest, well, let's forget about that shall we? Although it
> is smart to sent hitmen after Buffy. After all, she is pretty vulnerable to
> bullits and grenades. But that doesn't help if your grenade only detonates a
> few hours after you launched it...
No way! Forgt it? It was funny..Ridiculous, campy comic concept at its
best..nice siliness. The hitmen themselves were annoying...On the sunny
side Lyle Gorch was back <ducks>
> Mayor Wilkins seems to be in control. And he seems to have a Major Plan.
> Guess we'll be seeing more of him. I liked it that he wasn't even bothered
> having a vampire in his office. Maybe he knows his blood tastes awful. Just
> like mosquitos seem to have a preference for certain people's blood.
Yeah, I wonder what will happen (nudge nudge, wink wink..) Mayor
important must be. Curious this is, and intriguing. Wait and see we
shall.
> Can you believe Scott? First he is excited that Buffy goes to the prom with
> him. Then he dumps her. Idiot! But I guess he would be clearing the stage
> anyway once Angel is back in full shape. Which he seems to be getting
> pronto. Guess he's a flexible guy. Adapts quickly to his environment. I
> wonder what scars the Sabattical in Hell has left on him.
That kinda bigs me...he spent a couple a hundred (maybe a coupla
thousand? If he went to the place Buffy went to definately thousands..)
of years in hell and recovers ina few days...dubious at best. As for
Scott, cheap shot on his part, but a simplistic way of getting rid of
him..Faith's little move was pretty hilarious though..
> Before I forget, Willow and Xander moping at the dance was priceless.
> Especially when Giles tried to scare them "We have to find Buffy. Something
> terrible's happened". No reaction at all!. Like I said, this W/X thing could
> be fun!
Oh yes..see? Its not all Bad? ;-)
Mattia
Wordy Poster Dude[tm]
Getting a little rusty..;-)
[1] hehehe...;-)
wheez50
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> Yay! Some activity! Was groing bored, and too lazy to start a
> thread..;-)
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> "P@rick" wrote:
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Uhh, playing newbies ;-? saw this ep thrice (ok ok inc. tonights bbc re?run)
and even taped it the second time. (tape's gone tho).
Still don't know how exactly both germans were killed. Missed something
(still).
This is 3.05 and here the season-storyline sorta "begins", gives good hope
we get still some nice eps. BTW what ep. is coming next sunday? ;-) (as in
"i know i know i...)
Well, I replied 'cause of a small formality. Just read the faq (prelim.) and
saw a little indiscrepanty. I'm actually missing "[spoiler]" in the subject
line.
small thing, i know, prob. an allowed "breaking the rules" by (very btw)
exp. posters.
wheez50 (not feeling into short reps., but didn't have anything to say tho.)
"trzzrzrrzrzzzrzrz" (hehehe...)
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 391B2FB8...@std.vu.nl...
> > thread..;-)
> >
> > "P@rick" wrote:
> > >
Damn, you figured us out...yes, I've seen it 3-4 times by
now..discussing it as if the rest of the season remains unseen as yet
spices things up a little ;-)
> Still don't know how exactly both germans were killed. Missed something
> (still).
Buffy walked around with wet toilet paper that she embedded the tracer
things from the corsages into. Threw it at one of the two Germans
(prompting a quick adjustment order from the old dude in the the
wheelchair). One started firing, other fired back (thorough a wall) and
they shot each other...Thats how I figure it..kind odd scene though..
> This is 3.05 and here the season-storyline sorta "begins", gives good hope
> we get still some nice eps. BTW what ep. is coming next sunday? ;-) (as in
> "i know i know i...)
The Initiative :-p
> Well, I replied 'cause of a small formality. Just read the faq (prelim.) and
> saw a little indiscrepanty. I'm actually missing "[spoiler]" in the subject
> line.
> small thing, i know, prob. an allowed "breaking the rules" by (very btw)
> exp. posters.
Hehe..we're breaking rules all the time (minor ones..) but the spoiler
space is generally intact, even if [spoilers] isn't in the header.
> wheez50 (not feeling into short reps., but didn't have anything to say tho.)
> "trzzrzrrzrzzzrzrz" (hehehe...)
OK...I guess we know what you're fave part of WaH was ;-)
Mattia
Being Brief
P@rick
> Agree that Oz is better for Willow than Xander is. They click. She has
> to get over her suppressed feelings for Xander first though. Been
> bottled up for years, all them desires, etc. Will cause Will <geddit?> a
> bunch of grief, given that she is fond of self flagellation and
> chastisement (aka guilt tripping...see this ep with the really easy
> blackmailing tactic employed by the Buffster for proof :)
But the funny thing is that Buffy thinks she's playing on Willow's guilt
about helping Cordelia. But actually she's playing on Willow's guilt about
Xander. This occured to me this morning when I rewatched some bits and heard
Willow say:
"No, I'm not a friend. I'm a rabid dog who should be shot! But there're
forces at work here! Dark, incomprehensible forces".
First I thought Willow was talking about the Buffy-Cordy battle. But she's
actually talking about herself and Xander. What's really funny is that Buffy
doesn't get that at all.
> I predict it dragging on for several eps. Its a great potential source
> of much humor and drama[1] Cheating, guilty feelings, akwardness. Not to
> metion the fact that none of the members of the Scooby Gang (with the
> possible exception of Giles..) can lie worth anything at all..See, for
> example, NKABOTFD. Wholly unconvincing BS-ing ;-)
And even Giles is not convincing. Watch the end of Lie To Me, when Buffy
cuts right through his lies (Buffy: Liar!). I know, not the same thing. But
I thought it suitable here ;o)
> > Shame on her! I like Oz. It's safe to say Willow is a victim of her own
> > feelings here, and she's not much experienced in dealing with them. But
it's
> > obvious that she (and not her and Xander) has to make a choice soon.
>
> <Stunned> You just chastised Willow! Shocking! :-) They both have to
> choose though. Granted Willow is the more obviouse choice for choosage,
> given that she's the 'level headed' one (supposedly..)
Well, she just asked for it! Heaven knows what a girl like Willow turns out
to if you don't keep her on a tight leash. Next thing you know she starts
wearing leather pants.
> Thing with his relationship with Cordy is that he (and Willow) spent
> years and years being mocked and put down by her, so the attraction is
> odd, and ackward, for him. "..You're dating Cordelia. We all have
> Issues" in Anne is one of the many quotes on the subject. He trusts and
> knows Willow really well, doesn't really know Cordy that well, they
> don't exactly have a simple, clear cut relationship...Much Funness I
> forsee! :-p
It's a strange construction alright. But Cordy seems to be developing real
feelings for Xander. How's that for No Way Never Happens?
> Mattia
> Wordy Poster Dude[tm]
> Getting a little rusty..;-)
You seem to be doing quite well. Just not a lot of postings around to reply
to.
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
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> Still don't know how exactly both germans were killed. Missed something
> (still).
They shot eachother. Buffy threw the transmitters wrapped in wet toiletpaper
to one of them. The transmitters stuck to his back. The second one got
orders to fire at the transmitters' location (through a wall, he couldn't
see what he was hitting). The first one returned fire as soon as he got hit.
It was all an accident, really ;o)
> This is 3.05 and here the season-storyline sorta "begins", gives good hope
> we get still some nice eps. BTW what ep. is coming next sunday? ;-) (as in
> "i know i know i...)
Next one is a director's cut actually. It's called Banned Candy. We get to
see how Willow and Xander explore more of each other, in order to find out
just how far their mutual feelings go. I'm not gonna spoil you any further,
but I will say it involves ice cubes, satin scarves and candles. Oh yeah,
this version never made it to the screen in the US. You might want to watch
Friday night's uncut version on BBC.
> Well, I replied 'cause of a small formality. Just read the faq (prelim.)
and
> saw a little indiscrepanty. I'm actually missing "[spoiler]" in the
subject
> line.
> small thing, i know, prob. an allowed "breaking the rules" by (very btw)
> exp. posters.
Technically you're right. But putting in [spoiler] would spoil an otherwise
perfect looking header ;o)
What's the other thing you inserted [NS]? Short for No Shit, Nuff Said, No
Smoking, what...?
Bye, Patrick
Mattia Valente
> > to get over her suppressed feelings for Xander first though. Been
> > bottled up for years, all them desires, etc. Will cause Will <geddit?> a
> > bunch of grief, given that she is fond of self flagellation and
> > chastisement (aka guilt tripping...see this ep with the really easy
> > blackmailing tactic employed by the Buffster for proof :)
>
> about helping Cordelia. But actually she's playing on Willow's guilt about
> Xander. This occured to me this morning when I rewatched some bits and heard
> Willow say:
> "No, I'm not a friend. I'm a rabid dog who should be shot! But there're
> forces at work here! Dark, incomprehensible forces".
> First I thought Willow was talking about the Buffy-Cordy battle. But she's
> actually talking about herself and Xander. What's really funny is that Buffy
> doesn't get that at all.
Of course she doesn't; nobody knows about it. IMHO, the Xander thing
just amplifies her guilt feelings, but she would have reacted similarly
even without that. Maybe not so dramatically. Willow (at this stage) is
a pretty easy person to guilt-trip...As for the quote: I think she's
talking about both things all jumbled up. 'I'm not a friend' refers to
the Buffy/Cordy thing more than anything, the shooting line is too
strong to only stem from that (chalk that up to Xander..), etc. Its a
mid jumbly guilty mess in Willow's mind ;-) Its not a simple one-subject
sentence, that one...
> > I predict it dragging on for several eps. Its a great potential source
> > of much humor and drama[1] Cheating, guilty feelings, akwardness. Not to
> > metion the fact that none of the members of the Scooby Gang (with the
> > possible exception of Giles..) can lie worth anything at all..See, for
> > example, NKABOTFD. Wholly unconvincing BS-ing ;-)
>
> And even Giles is not convincing. Watch the end of Lie To Me, when Buffy
> cuts right through his lies (Buffy: Liar!). I know, not the same thing. But
> I thought it suitable here ;o)
Completely not the same. That was humor, and he did sound more
cinvincing than the others do lying...THing I was thinking about was the
torture scene in Becoming (see? Added spoiler warning in header! ;-)
where he has Angel believeing him before delivering the pink tutu line.
OTOH, Giles hasn't really had to do much lying in the past. He has been
quite able to lie offhand (about his experience with witchcraft, etc.
AKA Giles Shady Past[tm]) and keep some pretty big secrets...
> > > Shame on her! I like Oz. It's safe to say Willow is a victim of her own
> > > feelings here, and she's not much experienced in dealing with them. But
> it's
> > > obvious that she (and not her and Xander) has to make a choice soon.
> >
> > <Stunned> You just chastised Willow! Shocking! :-) They both have to
> > choose though. Granted Willow is the more obviouse choice for choosage,
> > given that she's the 'level headed' one (supposedly..)
>
> Well, she just asked for it! Heaven knows what a girl like Willow turns out
> to if you don't keep her on a tight leash. Next thing you know she starts
> wearing leather pants.
Yeah...and more (or worse, less!) too! ;-)
> > Thing with his relationship with Cordy is that he (and Willow) spent
> > years and years being mocked and put down by her, so the attraction is
> > odd, and ackward, for him. "..You're dating Cordelia. We all have
> > Issues" in Anne is one of the many quotes on the subject. He trusts and
> > knows Willow really well, doesn't really know Cordy that well, they
> > don't exactly have a simple, clear cut relationship...Much Funness I
> > forsee! :-p
>
> It's a strange construction alright. But Cordy seems to be developing real
> feelings for Xander. How's that for No Way Never Happens?
Yeah, but how real are they really? Who knows (well, apart from both of
us, sort of ;-)
> > Mattia
> > Wordy Poster Dude[tm]
> > Getting a little rusty..;-)
>
> You seem to be doing quite well. Just not a lot of postings around to reply
> to.
Yeah...must hold out until Sunday (I have lots of other stuff to do, I
just don't want to do it..nksf+f is keeping me sorta busy-ish too ;-)
Mattia
Mattia Valente
Yup. One big screwup.
> > This is 3.05 and here the season-storyline sorta "begins", gives good hope
> > we get still some nice eps. BTW what ep. is coming next sunday? ;-) (as in
> > "i know i know i...)
>
> Next one is a director's cut actually. It's called Banned Candy. We get to
> see how Willow and Xander explore more of each other, in order to find out
> just how far their mutual feelings go. I'm not gonna spoil you any further,
> but I will say it involves ice cubes, satin scarves and candles. Oh yeah,
> this version never made it to the screen in the US. You might want to watch
> Friday night's uncut version on BBC.
Yeah, the uncut it will have to be, since I've heard rumors that the cut
version (thursday's showing) next week will only have a run time of
about 15 minutes. The opening and closing scenes and the credits are all
they can show at that hour.
> > Well, I replied 'cause of a small formality. Just read the faq (prelim.)
> and
> > saw a little indiscrepanty. I'm actually missing "[spoiler]" in the
> subject
> > line.
> > small thing, i know, prob. an allowed "breaking the rules" by (very btw)
> > exp. posters.
>
> Technically you're right. But putting in [spoiler] would spoil an otherwise
> perfect looking header ;o)
Funny. No, really! ;-)
> What's the other thing you inserted [NS]? Short for No Shit, Nuff Said, No
> Smoking, what...?
Necrophiliac Sexbomb? Neurotic Swagger? Nihilistic Semantics?
Nederlandse Spoorwegen?
;-)
Mattia
Very Silly Indeed
P@rick
> "P@rick" wrote:
> >
> > Mattia Valente wrote:
> >
> > But the funny thing is that Buffy thinks she's playing on Willow's guilt
> > about helping Cordelia. But actually she's playing on Willow's guilt
about
> > Xander. This occured to me this morning when I rewatched some bits and
heard
> > Willow say:
> > "No, I'm not a friend. I'm a rabid dog who should be shot! But there're
> > forces at work here! Dark, incomprehensible forces".
> > First I thought Willow was talking about the Buffy-Cordy battle. But
she's
> > actually talking about herself and Xander. What's really funny is that
Buffy
> > doesn't get that at all.
>
> Of course she doesn't; nobody knows about it. IMHO, the Xander thing
> just amplifies her guilt feelings, but she would have reacted similarly
> even without that. Maybe not so dramatically. Willow (at this stage) is
> a pretty easy person to guilt-trip...As for the quote: I think she's
> talking about both things all jumbled up. 'I'm not a friend' refers to
> the Buffy/Cordy thing more than anything, the shooting line is too
> strong to only stem from that (chalk that up to Xander..), etc. Its a
> mid jumbly guilty mess in Willow's mind ;-) Its not a simple one-subject
> sentence, that one...
Yeah. But it looks like she's full of her fluke with Xander. Helping
Cordelia and thereby 'hurting' Buffy is just a byproduct of that. The quote
sounded to me sort of like a confession, without going into the details.
'I'm not a friend' can also be interpreted as 'I'm dating Oz but I have
smoochies with Xander, and we're being all secretive about it. Now what kind
of friend is that? I'm a terrible person, I'm not worthy of having friends
like you'.
But I'll grant you that Willow's rambling can get hard to decipher when her
mind is hyping up again. That's one of her lovely qualities.
> > It's a strange construction alright. But Cordy seems to be developing
real
> > feelings for Xander. How's that for No Way Never Happens?
>
> Yeah, but how real are they really? Who knows (well, apart from both of
> us, sort of ;-)
The way she said it, it seemed like she suddenly realised she loves Xander.
Bye, Patrick
wheez50
> "P@rick" wrote:
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> > wheez50 wrote:
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> > > spoilers Buffy 3.05 Homecoming
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> > Smoking, what...?
>
> Necrophiliac Sexbomb? Neurotic Swagger? Nihilistic Semantics?
> Nederlandse Spoorwegen?
uhhh, forgot :-~