Who Are You [spoilers]
george van hal
black and white and all fuzzy in like ten minutes (after which I have to
manually reset it) and the whole image zaps away as well from time to
time. As a result I missed about 5 to 10 minutes of this ep (in small
portions over the whole ep) so I probably missed some subtle things and
points. Gonna rewatch as soon as my tv comes to its senses again (it
gets like this from time to time and then all of a sudden its ok again
for like a year)...
Anyways on to the review:
Spoilers for Buffy season 4, ep 16: Who Are You
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So that was Who Are You......
We were all looking forward to this ep. Especially after last weeks
"This Years Girl" which promised a lot for this second part. That
promise got cached in if you ask me...
We start this ep off right where we left off: Faith and Buffy switched
bodies. Ok this seemed a bit lame and we all assumed this ep would
depend mostly on the acting skills off Sarah and Elisa. About those
acting skills: They were more than adaquate. They adopted some of each
others manurisms and tones of speaking etc. That was highly effective.
But they didn't really deliver that extra sparkle that an actor should
be able to put into such a role. Don't know if we could really expect
them to though, this being a tv show and all with limited practice time.
Anyways the greatness of this ep stems from the fact that they were able
to actually put some character development into the switching body
routine. Faith is confronted with people who love her and care for her
while in Buffy's body and even a girl thanking her for saving her life.
That seemed to give our rogue slayer a picture of how things could be
and it obviously made her think. I mean she went after those vamps
instead of fleeing the country after all. There's still some good in
this girl even though she's very troubled and needs to seek out help. On
the other hand it could be argued that Faith was just as insane as ever
and just got sucked into the role of playing Buffy too much. The
pounding of Buffy in her own body scene seems to strengthen that theory,
but I'm thinking Faith was just punding away at herself there. A case of
self hatred. The girls not very happy with what she has become. And
thats the explanation I prefer actually, but I guess only time will
tell...
Other niceness in this episode was the whole Willow/Tara thing. We're
finally getting some insight into their relationship (although Willows
explanation of why she kept Tara a secret was a bit weak). Oh and Tara
rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she was
just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or something
like that). Extremly fun. Also it seems the nature of their relationship
is definatly getting romantic. Faith said it best when she observed that
Willow wasn't driving stick anymore. Also that spell casting scene: wow!
I mean the subtext there was rapidly becoming...text :-)
We also got to see more Adam this ep. I must say that I'm starting to
like the guy (in that main season baddy way). He doesn't seem so weird
when he's out of that scientific initiative environment and him working
together with vamps is a good thing. It just *works*. We still haven't
seen enough of him though, but when you realise this is still only ep 16
we're going to get ample aportunity to see this Adam again. Which if he
is like he was in this ep doesn't necesarilly have to be a bad thing...
All in all this episode was a very worthy follow-up to last weeks
brilliant "This Year's Girl". This two parter together is most definatly
the best Buffy has offered us this season. These eps are more than
measure up to the best season3 eps and are almost on par with the best
season 2 eps. Simply teriffic. If only the whole of season 4 had been
this way...
I leave you all with my rating of this episode: 8.5/10 (and last weeks
ep would definatly be a 9/10 being just slightly better). I'm now
looking forward very much to what the rest of this season has to offer.
Let's see if they can keep this up :-)
See Ya,
George
Feeling optimistic again....
@nkhoŽ
> to actually put some character development into the switching body
> routine. Faith is confronted with people who love her and care for her
> while in Buffy's body and even a girl thanking her for saving her life.
> That seemed to give our rogue slayer a picture of how things could be
> and it obviously made her think. I mean she went after those vamps
> instead of fleeing the country after all. There's still some good in
> this girl even though she's very troubled and needs to seek out help. On
> the other hand it could be argued that Faith was just as insane as ever
> and just got sucked into the role of playing Buffy too much. The
> pounding of Buffy in her own body scene seems to strengthen that theory,
> but I'm thinking Faith was just punding away at herself there. A case of
> self hatred. The girls not very happy with what she has become. And
> thats the explanation I prefer actually, but I guess only time will
> tell...
yeah, and after switching back the pain you feel, is what you have done to
you
own body, that must be a bummer. :o)
> Other niceness in this episode was the whole Willow/Tara thing. We're
> finally getting some insight into their relationship (although Willows
> explanation of why she kept Tara a secret was a bit weak). Oh and Tara
> rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she was
> just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or something
> like that).
Hmm sounded kinda weird to me.
> Extremely fun. Also it seems the nature of their relationship
> is definately getting romantic.
yeah, it seems that way.
it would have been better if she would have said; "you know what i am ,
don`t you,...(littel pause)...yours."
than there would be the suspense if she wanted to reveal her identity(hiding
of the powder for some reason)
or that she really wanted to reveal her feelings towards willow
But that is a chance missed. :o)
> Faith said it best when she observed that
> Willow wasn't driving stick anymore.
yeah that was crude funny. :o)
>Also that spell casting scene: wow!
> I mean the subtext there was rapidly becoming...text :-)
even texture :o)
> We also got to see more Adam this ep. I must say that I'm starting to
> like the guy (in that main season baddy way).
neah, I don`t care for borgs much.
>He doesn't seem so weird
> when he's out of that scientific initiative environment and him working
> together with vamps is a good thing.
too obvious in my taste.
>It just *works*. We still haven't
> seen enough of him though, but when you realise this is still only ep 16
> we're going to get ample aportunity to see this Adam again.
yeah, but being crafted from so many demons, does that mean
he has all those demons in him?
>Which if he
> is like he was in this ep doesn't necesarilly have to be a bad thing...
just slip him a floppy with a virus and he is conquered :o)
> All in all this episode was a very worthy follow-up to last weeks
> brilliant "This Year's Girl". This two parter together is most definatly
> the best Buffy has offered us this season. These eps are more than
> measure up to the best season3 eps and are almost on par with the best
> season 2 eps. Simply teriffic. If only the whole of season 4 had been
> this way...
yep , the episodes are getting better.
> I leave you all with my rating of this episode: 8.5/10 (and last weeks
> ep would definatly be a 9/10 being just slightly better). I'm now
> looking forward very much to what the rest of this season has to offer.
> Let's see if they can keep this up :-)
or make it even better.
Fuzzy
"george van hal" <hal0...@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:39E0BEFB...@wxs.nl...
> Ok first off: my tv sucks!!! Its been getting really bad lately. It
goes
> black and white and all fuzzy in like ten minutes (after which I
have to
> manually reset it) and the whole image zaps away as well from time
to
> time. As a result I missed about 5 to 10 minutes of this ep (in
small
> portions over the whole ep) so I probably missed some subtle things
and
> points. Gonna rewatch as soon as my tv comes to its senses again (it
> gets like this from time to time and then all of a sudden its ok
again
> for like a year)...
>
> Anyways on to the review:
>
> "This Years Girl" which promised a lot for this second part. That
> promise got cached in if you ask me...
Hear, hear!
Best S4 up until now if you ask me!
> We start this ep off right where we left off: Faith and Buffy
switched
> bodies. Ok this seemed a bit lame and we all assumed this ep would
> depend mostly on the acting skills off Sarah and Elisa. About those
> acting skills: They were more than adaquate. They adopted some of
each
> others manurisms and tones of speaking etc. That was highly
effective.
> But they didn't really deliver that extra sparkle that an actor
should
> be able to put into such a role. Don't know if we could really
expect
> them to though, this being a tv show and all with limited practice
time.
Yes, every now and then one of them (usually SMG) slipped back into
her own character. Not to bad though and certainly not as much as I
feared.
> Anyways the greatness of this ep stems from the fact that they were
able
> to actually put some character development into the switching body
> routine. Faith is confronted with people who love her and care for
her
> while in Buffy's body and even a girl thanking her for saving her
life.
> That seemed to give our rogue slayer a picture of how things could
be
> and it obviously made her think. I mean she went after those vamps
> instead of fleeing the country after all. There's still some good in
> this girl even though she's very troubled and needs to seek out
help. On
> the other hand it could be argued that Faith was just as insane as
ever
> and just got sucked into the role of playing Buffy too much. The
> pounding of Buffy in her own body scene seems to strengthen that
theory,
> but I'm thinking Faith was just punding away at herself there. A
case of
> self hatred. The girls not very happy with what she has become. And
> thats the explanation I prefer actually, but I guess only time will
> tell...
I'm fairly sure that's the explanation. After all, this is what she
screamed when she was fighting:
"You're nothing! Disgusting! Murderous bitch! (grabs her head and
pounds it against the floor) You're nothing! (starts punching her
again) You're disgusting!"
This doesn't discribe Buffy at all, but fits Faith perfectly, even in
Faiths own eyes it seems.
> Other niceness in this episode was the whole Willow/Tara thing.
We're
> finally getting some insight into their relationship (although
Willows
> explanation of why she kept Tara a secret was a bit weak). Oh and
Tara
> rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she
was
> just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or
something
> like that). Extremly fun. Also it seems the nature of their
relationship
> is definatly getting romantic. Faith said it best when she observed
that
> Willow wasn't driving stick anymore. Also that spell casting scene:
wow!
> I mean the subtext there was rapidly becoming...text :-)
That was a very nice scene! None to subtle, but nice anyway :)
I'm very glad they showed some more of Tara. She's in more than one
shot, anyway. And she's introduced to the gang! Can't wait to see how
it tunrs out between her and the gang!
> We also got to see more Adam this ep. I must say that I'm starting
to
> like the guy (in that main season baddy way). He doesn't seem so
weird
> when he's out of that scientific initiative environment and him
working
> together with vamps is a good thing. It just *works*. We still
haven't
> seen enough of him though, but when you realise this is still only
ep 16
> we're going to get ample aportunity to see this Adam again. Which if
he
> is like he was in this ep doesn't necesarilly have to be a bad
thing...
I was *hoping* he'd get some lackeys! Interaction between the baddies
makes me like them more, usually. At least it did with Spike and Dru,
and the Major.
> All in all this episode was a very worthy follow-up to last weeks
> brilliant "This Year's Girl". This two parter together is most
definatly
> the best Buffy has offered us this season. These eps are more than
> measure up to the best season3 eps and are almost on par with the
best
> season 2 eps. Simply teriffic. If only the whole of season 4 had
been
> this way...
> I leave you all with my rating of this episode: 8.5/10 (and last
weeks
> ep would definatly be a 9/10 being just slightly better). I'm now
> looking forward very much to what the rest of this season has to
offer.
> Let's see if they can keep this up :-)
The last one I'd give an 8, this one a 9. I definitely think this one
was better than the last.
Sierk
george van hal
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
Just typed a reply to this message when the computer crashed.....don't
feel like repeating the enite post so just gonna reply to this part (the
rest I mostly agreed with anyway. Except for SMG's acting skills which I
still think are great):
>> ... The girls not very happy with what she has become.
>I had to read that line four times [...] before realizing: this is
George, he can't write "girl's".
Yeah yeah...wine...wine...
Does anyone else (except Peter) have this huge problem? The thing is I
mostly type on "hearing" and its and it's sounds exactly the same so I
don't notice the difference when typing and I'm really not going to
proofread posts after typing 'em. (That takes too much time. A thing
which I mostly lack). So there it is. If others really have huge
problems with these kind of grammar mistakes which are (granted)
frequent in my posts please come forward. If so I'll pay more atention
to it. See if I can find a speedy way to take this type of mistake out
of there. Personally it doesn't bother me how anyone writes, how a
persons grammar is etc. etc. I would care in, like, a magazine article
or a book. Not on Usenet which, to me, is like a discussion. And you
would certainly never pay attention to grammar mistakes in a discussion.
Its recreational, not official. Of course if, like Peter, you read
messages so that you notice every mistake and that mistake confuses you
I can understand the annoyance. I just don't have that problem,
personally.....
See Ya,
George
P@rick
>
> Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> >> ... The girls not very happy with what she has become.
>
> >I had to read that line four times [...] before realizing: this is
> George, he can't write "girl's".
>
> Yeah yeah...wine...wine...
Yes please, I'll have a glass as well.
Bye, Patrick
:oş
george van hal
"P@rick" wrote:
<Passes p@trick a glass of wine and ads a bit of cyanide>
Here you go! Bottoms up!
See Ya,
George
Who *meant* to write *whine* ;-)
P@rick
>
>
> "P@rick" wrote:
>
> > george van hal wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> >
> > > >> ... The girls not very happy with what she has become.
> > >
> > > >I had to read that line four times [...] before realizing: this is
> > > George, he can't write "girl's".
> > >
> > > Yeah yeah...wine...wine...
> >
> > Yes please, I'll have a glass as well.
>
> <Passes p@trick a glass of wine and ads a bit of cyanide>
> Here you go! Bottoms up!
Why does p@trick get a glass and I don't? Ah well, I don't even want it
anymore!
Say, this p@trick guy has been dead quiet the last couple of minutes hasn't
he...
Bye P@rick
Mattia Valente
>
> Ok first off: my tv sucks!!! Its been getting really bad lately. It goes
> black and white and all fuzzy in like ten minutes (after which I have to
> manually reset it) and the whole image zaps away as well from time to
> time.
So its acting up really badly now, is it? It behaved pretty decently
while I was there (Well, about 90% of the time ;-)
> As a result I missed about 5 to 10 minutes of this ep (in small
> portions over the whole ep) so I probably missed some subtle things and
> points. Gonna rewatch as soon as my tv comes to its senses again (it
> gets like this from time to time and then all of a sudden its ok again
> for like a year)...
Oh, I see you suffering greatly; being forced to watch a good Buffy
episode *again*? What a despicable torture! Ok, ok, I'll lay off the
sarcasm..
Seriosly though, I'm betting you were going to watch this puppy again
several times..
> Anyways on to the review:
Finally!
<ducks>
Better again. A few too many periods though..
<ducks>
> We were all looking forward to this ep. Especially after last weeks
> "This Years Girl" which promised a lot for this second part. That
> promise got cached in if you ask me...
You mean cashed, and yes indeed, it delivered on the promise. Very
different feel from last weeks ep, which was heavy with cryptic dream
sequences (a little more metaphorical, although we had Willow and Tara
for that kind of stuff this time around..;-) Great 2 parter, best ep(s)
of the season.
> We start this ep off right where we left off: Faith and Buffy switched
> bodies. Ok this seemed a bit lame and we all assumed this ep would
> depend mostly on the acting skills off Sarah and Elisa. About those
> acting skills: They were more than adaquate.
Indeed they were. IMHO they did a pretty damn good job overall.
> They adopted some of each
> others manurisms and tones of speaking etc. That was highly effective.
Mannerisms, accent (I noticed one particular spot), tone and idiom were
all quite well developed. I found SMG as Faith particularly convincing,
given that she had so much screen time and so many different
interactions with other characters (and that really great scene in front
of the bathroom mirror :-) ED's performance was also very good, but then
again, not as much screen time there.
> But they didn't really deliver that extra sparkle that an actor should
> be able to put into such a role. Don't know if we could really expect
> them to though, this being a tv show and all with limited practice time.
Hmm...I dunno exactly what you were expecting. It's a TV show, and the
actors are pretty damn good (well, most of them. Marc Blucas can be a
little wooden ;-) if you ask me. It worked very well, IMHO, and I do
think that it couldn't really get much better. Maybe if this were a
movie, not an episode, as you point out. I was more than satisfied with
the result.
> Anyways the greatness of this ep stems from the fact that they were able
> to actually put some character development into the switching body
> routine. Faith is confronted with people who love her and care for her
> while in Buffy's body and even a girl thanking her for saving her life.
> That seemed to give our rogue slayer a picture of how things could be
> and it obviously made her think.
Well, confronted with people who loved the person they thought she was
but hated who the person inside was. The inside view on how others see
her was an eyeopener for her, coupled, of course, with the affection
thing (which she doesn't know how to deal with at all. Troubled young
woman, our dear Faith is.)
> I mean she went after those vamps
> instead of fleeing the country after all. There's still some good in
> this girl even though she's very troubled and needs to seek out help.
That was a little weird, in a way, because it happened so fast. It does
show us a glimmer of hope for Faith's rehabilitation, though. Being in
Buffy's body did a lot of the work there.
> On
> the other hand it could be argued that Faith was just as insane as ever
> and just got sucked into the role of playing Buffy too much.
I think it's partly that. She got involved in the role of Buffy, after
acting it out for a while, but it also gave her a good look at what it's
like to have a supportive environment, to do good (saving that girl) and
getting recognition for it. I need a rewatch to consolidate this theory
though.
> The
> pounding of Buffy in her own body scene seems to strengthen that theory,
> but I'm thinking Faith was just punding away at herself there. A case of
> self hatred. The girls not very happy with what she has become. And
> thats the explanation I prefer actually, but I guess only time will
> tell...
I also interpreted it as self hatred; she had, in a sense, become Buffy
on several levels, and the good side of her made her hate the bad side,
which her own body came to represent. She had the opportunity to beat
herself up about it. Of course, she's still not completely sane, so...
> Other niceness in this episode was the whole Willow/Tara thing. We're
> finally getting some insight into their relationship (although Willows
> explanation of why she kept Tara a secret was a bit weak).
Well, I wouldn't call it weak. It does make sense, although the fact
that none of the gang know of her existence at all is a little bit
weird. Anyway, that's not going to last any longer; introductions have
been made now :-)
> Oh and Tara
> rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she was
> just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or something
> like that). Extremly fun. Also it seems the nature of their relationship
> is definatly getting romantic. Faith said it best when she observed that
> Willow wasn't driving stick anymore. Also that spell casting scene: wow!
> I mean the subtext there was rapidly becoming...text :-)
Well, yeah. It's going to stay subtext, I guess, because americans have
issues with explicit protrayals of same sex relationships in teenage
shows (by which I mean anything more than holding hands.) They can talk
about it all they like, mess with metaphores, but show something? No
way! Hypocrites...
> We also got to see more Adam this ep. I must say that I'm starting to
> like the guy (in that main season baddy way). He doesn't seem so weird
> when he's out of that scientific initiative environment and him working
> together with vamps is a good thing. It just *works*.
Isn't working for me yet. Yes, he's big, and can rip heads off vamps
(and make an 0h-so-amusing pun about it..) but he's not particularly
scary yet. Walsh was interesting, I want to know what her plans were,
etc. but for now, Adam's a little too cliche for me. I'm going to hold
off judgement until we get some real screen time with the guy..he's too
undeveloped atm.
> We still haven't
> seen enough of him though, but when you realise this is still only ep 16
> we're going to get ample aportunity to see this Adam again. Which if he
> is like he was in this ep doesn't necesarilly have to be a bad thing...
Well, he's going to have to be little more deeply meaningful (come up
with something better than "kill all living things", which is a little,
weird and megalomaniacal to say the least.) to be a good baddy. They
should've kept Walsh, I still say. But I'll wait and see how our
cybernetic demonoid turns out over the course of the next few eps.
> All in all this episode was a very worthy follow-up to last weeks
> brilliant "This Year's Girl". This two parter together is most definatly
> the best Buffy has offered us this season. These eps are more than
> measure up to the best season3 eps and are almost on par with the best
I'd go out on a limb and say that for drama eps, this two parter is the
best thing since season 2. Graduation didn't measure up fully in all
aspects (still love it, but..) and no other S3 ep does, really. DGL is a
different kind of ep. Fun, yes, Drama, no, not really.
> season 2 eps. Simply teriffic. If only the whole of season 4 had been
> this way...
Well, it wasn't. Watched 'Living Conditions' again, and it wasn't as
much better as 'the Freshmen' was on second vieweing..better luck next
time, I hope.
> I leave you all with my rating of this episode: 8.5/10 (and last weeks
> ep would definatly be a 9/10 being just slightly better). I'm now
> looking forward very much to what the rest of this season has to offer.
> Let's see if they can keep this up :-)
I'll stick with an 8.5/10 for the pair..they've both got their stronger
and weaker points, but overall it was a blast. Next week's ep
'Superstar' promises to be...interesting.
> Feeling optimistic again....
Wohoo!
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
I started a little late tonight..
Mattia Valente
> > finally getting some insight into their relationship (although Willows
> > rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she was
> > just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or something
> > like that).
>
Nah, it worked perfectly, IMHO.
> > Extremely fun. Also it seems the nature of their relationship
> > is definately getting romantic.
>
> yeah, it seems that way.
>
> it would have been better if she would have said; "you know what i am ,
> don`t you,...(littel pause)...yours."
> than there would be the suspense if she wanted to reveal her identity(hiding
> of the powder for some reason)
> or that she really wanted to reveal her feelings towards willow
> But that is a chance missed. :o)
I think that would've been a little too heavy handed. The powder thing
is the only hint we've had so far that Tara's more than she seems (and
she's really really powerful..sensing what's wrong with Buffy/Faith
immediately.) and that she may not be totally on the level. I like the
fact that she's being kept 'normal' and un-evil for now..adds to the
mystery. A line like "you know what I am" doesn't fit the rest of the
dialogue. IMHO of course.
> > Faith said it best when she observed that
> > Willow wasn't driving stick anymore.
>
> yeah that was crude funny. :o)
Crude? Nah, typical Faith directness.
> >Also that spell casting scene: wow!
> > I mean the subtext there was rapidly becoming...text :-)
>
> even texture :o)
Well...we'll see, I guess ;-)
> > We also got to see more Adam this ep. I must say that I'm starting to
> > like the guy (in that main season baddy way).
>
> neah, I don`t care for borgs much.
The Borg rule! Adam, otoh....
> > He doesn't seem so weird
> > when he's out of that scientific initiative environment and him working
> > together with vamps is a good thing.
>
> too obvious in my taste.
Ditto. He needs to flesh out a little.
> >It just *works*. We still haven't
> > seen enough of him though, but when you realise this is still only ep 16
> > we're going to get ample aportunity to see this Adam again.
>
> yeah, but being crafted from so many demons, does that mean
> he has all those demons in him?
Well, he has a disk drive, so what he's programmed for, we don't know. I
still think Willow should go with the 'create a virus' approach :o)
> > Which if he
> > is like he was in this ep doesn't necesarilly have to be a bad thing...
>
> just slip him a floppy with a virus and he is conquered :o)
Right..I really must read on before answering posts..
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Mattia Valente
<Adam>
> makes me like them more, usually. At least it did with Spike and Dru,
> and the Major.
Well, unfortunately he'll need to get some more lackeys; these just got
slaughtered. ;-)
I agree, though. He'll need to get some lackeys (preferably more worthy
ones..) so that we can actually get some character development in..
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Mattia Valente
You're really asking for it, aren't you?
;-)
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Mattia Valente
>
> george van hal skriver...
>
> > Spoilers for Buffy season 4, ep 16: Who Are You
> > s
> > p
> > o
> > i
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> > e
> > r
> > s
> > p
> > a
> > c
> > e
> > a
> > n
> > d
> > a
> > b
> > i
> > t
> > m
> > o
> > r
> > e
> >
> >
> > weeks "This Years Girl" which promised a lot for this second
> > part. That promise got cached in if you ask me...
>
I *think* that's what he meant (cashed is also what he was trying to
say, I guess.)
> > That was highly effective. But they didn't
> > really deliver that extra sparkle that an actor should be able
> > to put into such a role. Don't know if we could really expect
> > them to though, this being a tv show and all with limited
> > practice time.
>
> Well, remembering Farscape's "Out of their minds", it can be
> done. Of course, the characters in Farscape are more outspoken
> weird, so the actors have more to work with.
Didn't see that ep, but yes, the characters in farscape are far more
strange. There was the whole double acting thing gong on in this ep as
well (for SMG anyway) which makes it all harder, not easier.
> I think Eliza did great, SMG's performance a bit lacking. There
> were some nice shots, with SMG in front of the mirror. Her lines
> were OK too, but acting-wise, it was more like a Maybelene girl
> than Faith. ED was great, so little to work with, and still
> convincingly Buffy, no trace of Faith.
I thought SMG did a great job in this ep (though I'm going to pay more
attention on rewatch.) ED's role was very small by comparison, and her
performance quite outstanding, I agree, but given the magnitide of the
role SMG had, her performance was more impressive because of it. It had
its weak moments, but overall, a great job.
> Of course, Faith was supposed to make believe she was Buffy, but
> action and text wise on the one hand, and acting on the other,
> it was the wrong way 'round.
Er..right.
> > ... The girls not very happy with what she has become.
>
> I had to read that line four times (what does Buffy care?)
> before realizing: this is George, he can't write "girl's".
Hehehe....come on! This time it wasn't that confusing, was it?
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
P@rick
>
> Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> >> ... The girls not very happy with what she has become.
>
> >I had to read that line four times [...] before realizing: this is
> George, he can't write "girl's".
>
> Yeah yeah...wine...wine...
>
> Does anyone else (except Peter) have this huge problem
Not generally, no. And certainly not a 'huge' problem. But you had me
wondering for a moment or two with 'cached' instead of 'cashed'. I thought
you meant the promise was put on hold or something.
Bye, Patrick
Miriam Rocke
:
: Peter Kleiweg wrote:
:
: >> ... The girls not very happy with what she has become.
:
: >I had to read that line four times [...] before realizing: this is
: George, he can't write "girl's".
:
: Yeah yeah...wine...wine...
:
Huge problem? No (especially since I do a lot of IRC, where typos /
misspellings are common), as long as I can understand what's being
said. But in cases where it's ambiguous...yeah, I have a problem.
The line Peter quoted, I read as intended (mainly because, if it were
"girls" as the subject, instead of "girl", it would be missing a verb,
and the "she" would be ambiguous). With things like its vs it's, it
annoys the hell out of me but I stay silent. "Wine", again, I can
understand because of the context; otoh, on one of the lists I'm on
(but rarely read), there was a topic called "wine fest", and it wasn't
until I accidentally read one of the replies that I realized it wasn't
talking about the alcoholic beverage.
The thing about net communication is that it's fast, and there's some
feeling of "I might as well write this as quickly as I can and send it
off without checking". With IRC or other sort of real-time chat,
that's an acceptable behaviour, because the conversation *does* move
quickly. With things like emails and usenet posts...it's nice to have
clarity, which is the point of language. And it *is* generally
possible to take time to double-check things. Granted, I don't get as
bothered in chatty posts as in, like, fic, but...
I'm a nitpicker. What can I say? I just usually nitpick silently.
*grin*
Mir
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Miriam Rocke
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: > Spoilers for Buffy season 4, ep 16: Who Are You
: > s
: > p
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: > Oh and Tara
: > rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she was
: > just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or something
: Well, yeah. It's going to stay subtext, I guess, because americans have
: issues with explicit protrayals of same sex relationships in teenage
: shows (by which I mean anything more than holding hands.)
Hey. Don't classify us by the stupid people who run tv networks.
*thpbt* *Some* of us have no problems at all with same sex
relationships, explicit or implicit.
OTOH, I have far, far less Issue with the portrayal of the W/T
relationship -- using spells not just as a metaphor, but as a
*literal* way for the characters to be intimate -- than with the
explicit sex of Buffy/Angel, Buffy/Parker, or Buffy/Riley. The gender
isn't the issue; but, cynic that I am, I have this "Gag, yeah,
what-*ever*, can we please move on now?" to the "explicit" sex that we
see (not that it's very explicit, but still...), whereas the W/T thing
is just...cool. In major ways.
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente (mae.v...@std.vu.nl) wrote:
> : <ducks>
> :
> : > Spoilers for Buffy season 4, ep 16: Who Are You
> : > s
> : > p
> : > o
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> : > e
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> : > p
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> : > e
> :
> <snip>
> : > Oh and Tara
> : > rules! Its now official! She came through with the knowledge and she was
> : > just so very cute when she said "I am you know.....yours" (or something
> : Well, yeah. It's going to stay subtext, I guess, because americans have
> : issues with explicit protrayals of same sex relationships in teenage
> : shows (by which I mean anything more than holding hands.)
>
> *thpbt* *Some* of us have no problems at all with same sex
> relationships, explicit or implicit.
Ok ok...American TV Executives then..better?
> OTOH, I have far, far less Issue with the portrayal of the W/T
> relationship -- using spells not just as a metaphor, but as a
> *literal* way for the characters to be intimate -- than with the
> explicit sex of Buffy/Angel, Buffy/Parker, or Buffy/Riley. The gender
> isn't the issue; but, cynic that I am, I have this "Gag, yeah,
> what-*ever*, can we please move on now?" to the "explicit" sex that we
> see (not that it's very explicit, but still...), whereas the W/T thing
> is just...cool. In major ways.
Er...right. If the Buffy stuff was *more* explicit it might be better
again, but as it is, nothing really mind blowingly special or
interesting going on there, IMHO.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
So I think about Sex all the time, big deal....
Miriam Rocke
: > :
: > : > Spoilers for Buffy season 4, ep 16: Who Are You
: > : > s
: > : > p
: > : > o
: > : > i
: > : > l
: > : > e
: > : > r
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: > : > p
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: > : > c
: > : > e
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: > : > n
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: > : > b
: > : > i
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: > : > m
: > : > o
: > : > r
: > : > e
: > :
: > <snip>
: > :
: > : Well, yeah. It's going to stay subtext, I guess, because americans have
: > : issues with explicit protrayals of same sex relationships in teenage
: > : shows (by which I mean anything more than holding hands.)
: > Hey. Don't classify us by the stupid people who run tv networks.
: > *thpbt* *Some* of us have no problems at all with same sex
: > relationships, explicit or implicit.
:
: Ok ok...American TV Executives then..better?
<g> Okay.
: > OTOH, I have far, far less Issue with the portrayal of the W/T
: > relationship -- using spells not just as a metaphor, but as a
: > *literal* way for the characters to be intimate -- than with the
: > explicit sex of Buffy/Angel, Buffy/Parker, or Buffy/Riley. The gender
: > isn't the issue; but, cynic that I am, I have this "Gag, yeah,
: > what-*ever*, can we please move on now?" to the "explicit" sex that we
: > see (not that it's very explicit, but still...), whereas the W/T thing
: > is just...cool. In major ways.
:
: Er...right. If the Buffy stuff was *more* explicit it might be better
: again, but as it is, nothing really mind blowingly special or
: interesting going on there, IMHO.
I don't think that I'd be all "whee, sex!" if the Buffy/whoever stuff
were more explicit. I think my "whatever, can I go now?" reaction
would *increase*. I have nothing against sex. It's just boring when
(a) you aren't the one doing it, and (b) you aren't, er, Enjoying the
visuals of at least one of the partners. (Generic-you, that is, not
you-you. Me-you, though, yes.)
Mir
wondering why it feels like her pinky's strained. It's not like I've
been doing *that* much typing...