Angel 5x12 - Episode 100 Comments
Tafka
4x16 on Sky/umta so quiet there) time since I've done anything like this
but, well I've gotta haven't I?
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I loved this episode, really loved it.
First things first, however:
Cordelia _died_ during or right after her final vision, becoming somehow
corporeal in spirit (much like Lilah in "Home") to give everyone a message
that they needed. She drew the curtain around her own body plus the hint?
"One foot in the grave" relates to her.
I know some people have said that Cordelia was never there, merely
imagined, but she _was_ there. The machine, Spike biting her, drawing the
symbols for Wes etc. Physical entity.
Cordelia and Wesley was nicely written and I like to think that, on some
level, Cordelia isn't apologising for _Lilah's_ death but for the
'mind-rape' of Connor and for when(ever) Wes remembers Connor and AI's
decision to cut him out.
[In thinking; how did Wesley presume Jasmine was defeated... his face when
Cordelia asks in the hospital suggests a slight bemusement. And will
people ever get around to thinking about maybe asking questions about
Connor? That's twice now ("Home" & with Cordelia).
At the same time - how did Lilah & Wesley get together?]
Eve? Ok, fair enough - that all works.
Doyle referencing? A very nice way to both fit into the story and fit GQ
into the episode despite his death.
Lindsey? If it's the end then... it's a let down. If it's a reprise then;
ok, I can buy it. Take stock and await a comeback.
Of course there's the whole TPTB and whatever angle they're taking to
think about. Good? Bad? Manipulative? Even present anymore?
The funny in this episode is placed well, with Harmony proving both
amusing and useful. For once.
And now I'm lazy and I need to rewatch the episode to add more - I'm not a
Niall with the long, comprehensible & well-written reviews - so I'll quote
what I've said already upthere:
I've been thinking about that [plot being wrapped up, L not being a
season-long arc] and I keep getting memories of TVGal's
announcement, IIRC about 5 weeks into the new season, that Angel's SECOND
HALF of the season had been greenlit.
With that in mind, could it not be seen that 5x12 - the 100th episode -
could have been intended as a finale for the show?
Cordelia is beautifully (in my mind) resolved and Lindsey is gone after
looking promising but, perhaps that was the plan?
I really enjoyed this week but am still ... hesitent about the rest of the
season (I've 'seen' tvguide-style descriptions so far for the next two
properly and the two after as one-liners. 16? Interesting...).
-Tafka-
This is a lesson in friendship
The depths of a kinship
Andrew Hogg
has the big finale before the end of the season but midway through is
taking it too far ;)
I just watched 5x11 last night and thought it was a better episode, if
slightly cop-outish. And it didn't have Cordelia Sue and her cleavage of
DOOM.
Just seen the trailer for next week. Have fair widdled myself in excitement.
--
Andrew Hogg
Iain Clark
It was very good. I can't quite believe it came from the pen of David
Fury.
>First things first, however:
>Cordelia _died_ during or right after her final vision, becoming somehow
>corporeal in spirit (much like Lilah in "Home") to give everyone a message
>that they needed. She drew the curtain around her own body plus the hint?
>"One foot in the grave" relates to her.
>
Ooh, good point. I missed that, but it's obvious in retrospect. I do
think she was probably still alive at that point, and died when Angel
got the phone call, but it may be that she died at the beginning.
>I know some people have said that Cordelia was never there, merely
>imagined, but she _was_ there. The machine, Spike biting her, drawing the
>symbols for Wes etc. Physical entity.
>
Oh yes.
>Cordelia and Wesley was nicely written and I like to think that, on some
>level, Cordelia isn't apologising for _Lilah's_ death but for the
>'mind-rape' of Connor and for when(ever) Wes remembers Connor and AI's
>decision to cut him out.
>
Although at another time I might say that was a stretch, the fact that
connor was discussed this week in the way that he was and Cordy's
obvious bond with Wes made me think the same thing.
>[In thinking; how did Wesley presume Jasmine was defeated... his face when
>Cordelia asks in the hospital suggests a slight bemusement. And will
>people ever get around to thinking about maybe asking questions about
>Connor? That's twice now ("Home" & with Cordelia).
>At the same time - how did Lilah & Wesley get together?]
>
Yes, they really could do with clarifying this, as long as they can
manage it in a way that's plausible.
>Eve? Ok, fair enough - that all works.
>
Yep.
>Doyle referencing? A very nice way to both fit into the story and fit GQ
>into the episode despite his death.
>
Yes, I really appreciated this - nice to have him back in the 100th
episode, if only by proxy.
>Lindsey? If it's the end then... it's a let down. If it's a reprise then;
>ok, I can buy it. Take stock and await a comeback.
>
It does seem a bit of a let down. Am I right in deducing that he had
a bigger plan, but was forced to curtail it to what we see here
because Angel began to suspect something? Not sure.
I would like to think (being completely unspoiled) that he'll end up
striking some kind of deal with the Senior Partners.
>With that in mind, could it not be seen that 5x12 - the 100th episode -
>could have been intended as a finale for the show?
>Cordelia is beautifully (in my mind) resolved and Lindsey is gone after
>looking promising but, perhaps that was the plan?
>
I wondered that. I'm reminded of Buffy S2 which was in the same
situation, I believe, where Spike was "killed" at the mid point, then
resurrected once the show was renewed. Also S3 of Angel where the
"beige" plotline was concluded and followed by a flurry of
standalones.
There is a slightly awkward feeling of anticlimax, and "where do we go
from here?" (altogether now). An "end of the Shadow War" kind of
feel. But we got that feeling last season too, when the plot appeared
to have resolved most major points, only to find things spinning off
in new directions.
We still have the W&H thing, which Angel acknowledges is far from
over, and Eve swears revenge (shame she's such a wobbly actor or I'd
be more excited.)
>I really enjoyed this week but am still ... hesitent about the rest of the
>season (I've 'seen' tvguide-style descriptions so far for the next two
>properly and the two after as one-liners. 16? Interesting...).
I've not seen spoilers, so I'm open to where this might go.
I do feel that this season has had some excellent episodes and themes,
but it still lacks an overall sense of cohesion and momentum. Every
time I think it's found those things, they leak away. I hope they can
make the year hang together a little bit more in the second half.
Iain
--
"What'll I tell him
When he comes to me for absolution?"
Saskia
I'm not so sure that was the case. Cos why then did she also say "they
should give her a private room"? There were 2 beds in the room and one was
empty, Cordy's.
> think she was probably still alive at that point, and died when Angel
> got the phone call, but it may be that she died at the beginning.
FWIW I think she died in the beginning of the ep.
>>Lindsey? If it's the end then... it's a let down. If it's a reprise then;
>>ok, I can buy it. Take stock and await a comeback.
>>
> It does seem a bit of a let down. Am I right in deducing that he had
> a bigger plan, but was forced to curtail it to what we see here
> because Angel began to suspect something? Not sure.
That's what I thought as well. I'm thinking he must have gotten those
mystical tattoos from someone. Senior Partners?
> I would like to think (being completely unspoiled) that he'll end up
> striking some kind of deal with the Senior Partners.
If he hasn't already. And yes I agree, I would find it rather difficult to
accept that this is it.
> There is a slightly awkward feeling of anticlimax, and "where do we go
> from here?" (altogether now).
;-))
Yes, I'm a little worried that all there's left are MOTW eps, I really do
not like those. I want arc! Lots and lots of it.
> We still have the W&H thing, which Angel acknowledges is far from
> over, and Eve swears revenge (shame she's such a wobbly actor or I'd
> be more excited.)
She just a little bit too busy being cute and pretty isn't she? Still
kinda like her though.
> I do feel that this season has had some excellent episodes and themes,
> but it still lacks an overall sense of cohesion and momentum. Every
> time I think it's found those things, they leak away. I hope they can
> make the year hang together a little bit more in the second half.
Agreed.
--
Saskia
http://www.fotolog.net/saskya
Remember, Ginger Rogers did everything that Fred Astaire did, but she did
it backwards and in high heels.
Tafka
Saskia <isi...@xs4all.nl>. alt.buffy.europe. Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:48:30
+0100:
I've since read this, from Fury:
You can interpret it anyway you want, honestly...
But my intent was that that was Cordy's body.
http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~hsiao/media/tv/buffy/bronze/20040205.html
(Note; has comment on Lindsey's possible future)
>> think she was probably still alive at that point, and died when Angel
>> got the phone call, but it may be that she died at the beginning.
>
>FWIW I think she died in the beginning of the ep.
I agree (although I say it's as she gets the vision - that bit? Her jerk
up? Real. But she's then dead and 'released' from the coma, so able to go
and communicate to Angel et al).
>>>Lindsey? If it's the end then... it's a let down. If it's a reprise then;
>>>ok, I can buy it. Take stock and await a comeback.
>>>
>> It does seem a bit of a let down. Am I right in deducing that he had
>> a bigger plan, but was forced to curtail it to what we see here
>> because Angel began to suspect something? Not sure.
>
>That's what I thought as well. I'm thinking he must have gotten those
>mystical tattoos from someone. Senior Partners?
Wasn't it stated, a few eps ago, that those tattoos kept him hidden _from_
the Senior Partners?
-Tafka-
With the G funk, he funk, she funk, we funk
Saskia
>>>>Cordelia _died_ during or right after her final vision, becoming somehow
>>>>corporeal in spirit (much like Lilah in "Home") to give everyone a message
>>>>that they needed. She drew the curtain around her own body plus the hint?
>>>>"One foot in the grave" relates to her.
>>>>
>>> Ooh, good point. I missed that, but it's obvious in retrospect. I do
>>
>>I'm not so sure that was the case. Cos why then did she also say "they
>>should give her a private room"? There were 2 beds in the room and one was
>>empty, Cordy's.
>
> I've since read this, from Fury:
>
> You can interpret it anyway you want, honestly...
>
> But my intent was that that was Cordy's body.
Is this Fury's quote, or your comment on it? I don't want to click your
link because I don't want to know anything about Lindsey's possible future
(as much as I'm dying to know, argh!) But I'll take you word for it. It's
nicer to think of it that way too ;)
>>FWIW I think she died in the beginning of the ep.
>
> I agree (although I say it's as she gets the vision - that bit? Her jerk
> up? Real. But she's then dead and 'released' from the coma, so able to go
> and communicate to Angel et al).
Yes.
>>> It does seem a bit of a let down. Am I right in deducing that he had
>>> a bigger plan, but was forced to curtail it to what we see here
>>> because Angel began to suspect something? Not sure.
>>
>>That's what I thought as well. I'm thinking he must have gotten those
>>mystical tattoos from someone. Senior Partners?
>
> Wasn't it stated, a few eps ago, that those tattoos kept him hidden _from_
> the Senior Partners?
Oh was it? I forget. Hmmmmmm.