Thoughts on Becoming, pt 1, BBC cuts (Possibly Scottish spoilers)
Mattia Valente
this is true..can someone explain it?
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First of all, very strong episode (as is part 2, but never mind that for
now :-), written and directed by JW himself. Lots of nice juicy
flashbacks which give us insight into Angel's character. Great lines
here and ther (Spike: Its a big rock. I can't wait to tell my friends.
They don't have a rock this big; Kendra: Take it, its my lucky stake. I
call it Mr. Pointy. Buffy: you named your stake? Remind me to get you a
stuffed animal; More I can't pull up from memory for now...)
As for snippage, I noticed two pretty big ones (one was more noticable
than the other) Both occured during the fight scene in the library.
First of all, the scene where Xander gets his forearm snapped by the
vamp he is fighting is cut (you just see him with a limp arm, wincing
and telling cordy to get out) and the actual throat slashing by Dru was
snipped a little (in the same way the neck snapping in suprise was cut)
TO me, it seems like the fight scene was cut a little more than that,
but I can't put my finger on it. (Saw it on dutch TV about a month
ago...)
Another thing I am uncertain about is the voiceover at the end: In this
Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
(I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
Mattia
Chris G
Mattia Valente wrote in message <38C7FE96...@std.vu.nl>...
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>(I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
>
>Mattia
I thought Drusilla was splendid in this episode!!!
Fuzzy
>here and ther (Spike: Its a big rock. I can't wait to tell my friends.
>They don't have a rock this big; Kendra: Take it, its my lucky stake. I
>call it Mr. Pointy. Buffy: you named your stake? Remind me to get you a
>stuffed animal; More I can't pull up from memory for now...)
>
>As for snippage, I noticed two pretty big ones (one was more noticable
>than the other) Both occured during the fight scene in the library.
>First of all, the scene where Xander gets his forearm snapped by the
>vamp he is fighting is cut (you just see him with a limp arm, wincing
>and telling cordy to get out) and the actual throat slashing by Dru was
>snipped a little (in the same way the neck snapping in suprise was cut)
>TO me, it seems like the fight scene was cut a little more than that,
>but I can't put my finger on it. (Saw it on dutch TV about a month
>ago...)
They also cut from the scene in the classroom, you know, the
immolation'ogram.
>
>Another thing I am uncertain about is the voiceover at the end: In this
>Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
>distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
>in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
>(I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
I seem to recall that as well! Can't be sure though. I may be confusing this
voiceover with the one in Passion
Mattia Valente
I think you're right..it was shorter, less full on detail....
> >Another thing I am uncertain about is the voiceover at the end: In this
> >Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
> >distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
> >in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
> >(I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
>
> I seem to recall that as well! Can't be sure though. I may be confusing this
> voiceover with the one in Passion
You're probably right...Angel doing the "Passion rules us...."
etc.etc.etc...
Sally Cort
<si...@hetnet.nl> writes
It's a while since I've seen this episode and I really enjoyed seeing it
again. A question - the scenes with Buffy, pre-Sunnydale, where she is
'introduced' to slaying vampires - are these based on scenes from the
original film BTVS?
PS I love that bit with her running in slo-mo at the end - I'd really
like a blue jacket like that!!
--
Sally Cort
'We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will
eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true' - Prof. Robert Wilensky
Steve the Muffler
news:38C7FE96...@std.vu.nl...
> now :-), written and directed by JW himself. Lots of nice juicy
> flashbacks which give us insight into Angel's character. Great lines
> here and ther (Spike: Its a big rock. I can't wait to tell my friends.
> They don't have a rock this big; Kendra: Take it, its my lucky stake. I
> call it Mr. Pointy. Buffy: you named your stake? Remind me to get you a
> stuffed animal; More I can't pull up from memory for now...)
Hi,
These two episodes are what I consider to be Buffy at its' best. No other
episodes, Graduation Day included, have ever come close.
> As for snippage, I noticed two pretty big ones (one was more noticable
> than the other) Both occured during the fight scene in the library.
> First of all, the scene where Xander gets his forearm snapped by the
> vamp he is fighting is cut (you just see him with a limp arm, wincing
> and telling cordy to get out) and the actual throat slashing by Dru was
> snipped a little (in the same way the neck snapping in suprise was cut)
> TO me, it seems like the fight scene was cut a little more than that,
> but I can't put my finger on it. (Saw it on dutch TV about a month
> ago...)
As you're mentioning things that were cut, they're still classed as spoilers
for all BBC viewers until Saturday. An additional scene that was cut in the
school when the vampire warns Buffy - she burns up and all the kids, with
the exception of Buffy, back away from the vamp as this happens.
> Another thing I am uncertain about is the voiceover at the end: In this
> Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
> distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
> in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
> (I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
The Sky version, and the WB version I downloaded (and for that matter,
AleXander's transcript) all have Whistler's voice-over at the end. The Sky
version did not contain Angel's voice-over at the start though, I don't
think.
--
Steve Lorek
E-mail replies to muf...@nospam.newsguy.com
(removing "nospam").
Mattia Valente
Sally Cort wrote:
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> In article <geTx4.474$5f3....@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com>, Fuzzy
> <si...@hetnet.nl> writes
> >Mattia Valente wrote in message <38C7FE96...@std.vu.nl>...
> It's a while since I've seen this episode and I really enjoyed seeing it
> again. A question - the scenes with Buffy, pre-Sunnydale, where she is
> 'introduced' to slaying vampires - are these based on scenes from the
> original film BTVS?
Very loosely. There is no outdoor "you are the chose one" in the movie,
but there is a graveyard scene. No missing the heart stuff either..
Mattia
Mattia Valente
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> "Mattia Valente" <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> wrote in message
> news:38C7FE96...@std.vu.nl...
> > now :-), written and directed by JW himself. Lots of nice juicy
> > flashbacks which give us insight into Angel's character. Great lines
> > here and ther (Spike: Its a big rock. I can't wait to tell my friends.
> > They don't have a rock this big; Kendra: Take it, its my lucky stake. I
> > call it Mr. Pointy. Buffy: you named your stake? Remind me to get you a
> > stuffed animal; More I can't pull up from memory for now...)
>
> Hi,
>
> These two episodes are what I consider to be Buffy at its' best. No other
> episodes, Graduation Day included, have ever come close.
I would cast cotes for the Surprise/Innocence double, and Doppelgangland
is another really great ep. For funny, I would vote earshot....
> > As for snippage, I noticed two pretty big ones (one was more noticable
> > than the other) Both occured during the fight scene in the library.
> > First of all, the scene where Xander gets his forearm snapped by the
> > vamp he is fighting is cut (you just see him with a limp arm, wincing
> > and telling cordy to get out) and the actual throat slashing by Dru was
> > snipped a little (in the same way the neck snapping in suprise was cut)
> > TO me, it seems like the fight scene was cut a little more than that,
> > but I can't put my finger on it. (Saw it on dutch TV about a month
> > ago...)
>
> As you're mentioning things that were cut, they're still classed as spoilers
> for all BBC viewers until Saturday. An additional scene that was cut in the
> school when the vampire warns Buffy - she burns up and all the kids, with
> the exception of Buffy, back away from the vamp as this happens.
You can't be serious here: Its obvious that Kendra's throat is slashed,
and if you look carfully, you see Xanders useless arm dangling by his
side...That there is a little more to it (not saying altogether that
much about it) can't be all too serious. Besides, the header says Cuts
in it, and there is spoiler space ;-)
> > Another thing I am uncertain about is the voiceover at the end: In this
> > Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
> > distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
> > in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
> > (I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
>
> The Sky version, and the WB version I downloaded (and for that matter,
> AleXander's transcript) all have Whistler's voice-over at the end. The Sky
> version did not contain Angel's voice-over at the start though, I don't
> think.
Was confusing it with Passion, I think (someone else pointed that
out...)
Mattia
Hooresi
"Sally Cort" <sa...@cort.demon.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> In article <geTx4.474$5f3....@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com>, Fuzzy
> <si...@hetnet.nl> writes
> >Mattia Valente wrote in message <38C7FE96...@std.vu.nl>...
> again. A question - the scenes with Buffy, pre-Sunnydale, where she is
> 'introduced' to slaying vampires - are these based on scenes from the
> original film BTVS?
More or less.In that movie, a strange guy also approached her in a
similar fashion, Allthough the movie sucked, big time.
The series is far better. :o)
Paul McIntyre
> now :-), written and directed by JW himself. Lots of nice juicy
> flashbacks which give us insight into Angel's character. Great lines
> here and ther (Spike: Its a big rock. I can't wait to tell my friends.
> They don't have a rock this big; Kendra: Take it, its my lucky stake. I
> call it Mr. Pointy. Buffy: you named your stake? Remind me to get you a
> stuffed animal; More I can't pull up from memory for now...)
>
> than the other) Both occured during the fight scene in the library.
> First of all, the scene where Xander gets his forearm snapped by the
> vamp he is fighting is cut (you just see him with a limp arm, wincing
> and telling cordy to get out) and the actual throat slashing by Dru was
> snipped a little (in the same way the neck snapping in suprise was cut)
> TO me, it seems like the fight scene was cut a little more than that,
> but I can't put my finger on it. (Saw it on dutch TV about a month
> ago...)
>
> Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
> distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
> in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
> (I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
>
Wasn't the Whistler character supposed to have been in Angel instead of
Doyle?
I wonder how it would have turned out with his character. . .
I loved the whole ep though. . .apart from the last five minutes which didnt
record on my video for some reason. . .the best bit has to be when they find
the disk that was lost in Passion. . .sends a shiver down my spine. . .
I agree about these cuts though, they are getting more ridiculous each week.
. .the immolation-o-gram should have spiralled into flames, and Kendras
neck. . .if they cut that, why didnt they cut Angel being sired? Maybe its
just so they have more show on the repeat?
Rick Wilton
Do not normally watch the repeats on BBC, although haven't seen this
ep for a while so thought I would watch this one.
Is the late night BBC repeat cut this badly as well.
Rick.
Chris Ashby
Rick Wilton wrote in message <38c8b381...@news.freeuk.net>...
They aren't cut at all. That's the point of them being on.
Except for one episode, which had a non-PC line cut.
Claudia van der Lely
I'M A STUPID STUPID GIRL I FORGOT TO WATCH LAST NIGHT.........SHITTTTT
I'D LOVED THE BECOMING EP. WELL NEXT WEEK PART TO RIGHT? PFF..
i still have hope ...
(sorry for the shouting ....grrr...but if you'd missed the ep. you think the
same way i do right now!)
bye
claudia
Claudia van der Lely
Sally Cort heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>In article <geTx4.474$5f3....@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com>, Fuzzy
><si...@hetnet.nl> writes
>>Mattia Valente wrote in message <38C7FE96...@std.vu.nl>...
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>again. A question - the scenes with Buffy, pre-Sunnydale, where she is
>'introduced' to slaying vampires - are these based on scenes from the
>original film BTVS?
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inside and he said that her destiny was waiting or something like that. she
was doing her gymnastique thingy...
Chris Ashby
Claudia van der Lely wrote in message <8aasiu$kf8$1...@news.kabelfoon.nl>...
Or you would be thinking "Thank goodness the uncut repeat is on tonight at
11:20"
You have another chance.
Morwen
<cvd...@kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
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>I'M A STUPID STUPID GIRL I FORGOT TO WATCH LAST NIGHT.........SHITTTTT
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>I'D LOVED THE BECOMING EP. WELL NEXT WEEK PART TO RIGHT? PFF..
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>i still have hope ...
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>(sorry for the shouting ....grrr...but if you'd missed the ep. you think the
>same way i do right now!)
>
Watch the BBC repeat on Saturday!!! it's uncut....>
--
Morwen, Guardian of the (broken) CHOKLIT Sword
()xxxxxx)|(>>>>>>>>< >>>>>>>>>>>
Reply: remove the obvious bit . . .
Mark Brown
> More or less.In that movie, a strange guy also approached her in a
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> The series is far better. :o)
Except for Donald Sutherland's Merrick. I mean, the guy they had in
Becoming looked like he *washed*.
--
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Mark Blunden
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>> More or less.In that movie, a strange guy also approached her in a
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>Becoming looked like he *washed*.
Oh, that reminds me - cast spot: Was that guy played by the same actor as
the bottom-pinching lawyer from the pilot episode of Ally McBeal?
--
Mark.
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Mattia Valente
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I believe you are correct....
Mattia
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Mark Blunden
>So, did nobody notice that the Vamp that 'made' Angel was Topolsky, the
>FBI agent from Roswell?
It was Darla, the Master's right-hand vampire from season 1, who, as has
been pointed out many times, is indeed played by the same actress as
Topolsky.
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Talia
<mae.v...@std.vu.nl> writes
>Spoiler space for the scottinsh viewers, although I still don't know if
>this is true..can someone explain it?
The episode shown at 6.45pm on Thursday on BBC2 is shown at 6.45pm,
Friday, BB2-Scotland.
We were a week behind for a while, but it's now caught up.
Of course, it'll probably change soon, but you'll all hear me bitch
about that when it happens. :)
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life and a drink problem!"
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> > this is true..can someone explain it?
> > P
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> > C
> > E
> > now :-), written and directed by JW himself. Lots of nice juicy
> > flashbacks which give us insight into Angel's character. Great lines
> > here and ther (Spike: Its a big rock. I can't wait to tell my friends.
> > They don't have a rock this big; Kendra: Take it, its my lucky stake. I
> > call it Mr. Pointy. Buffy: you named your stake? Remind me to get you a
> > stuffed animal; More I can't pull up from memory for now...)
YEP THOSE ARE ABOUT MY FAV LINES TOO
> Hi,
> These two episodes are what I consider to be Buffy at its' best. No other
> episodes, Graduation Day included, have ever come close.
>
> > As for snippage, I noticed two pretty big ones (one was more noticable
> > than the other) Both occured during the fight scene in the library.
> > First of all, the scene where Xander gets his forearm snapped by the
> > vamp he is fighting is cut (you just see him with a limp arm, wincing
> > and telling cordy to get out) and the actual throat slashing by Dru was
> > snipped a little (in the same way the neck snapping in suprise was cut)
> > TO me, it seems like the fight scene was cut a little more than that,
> > but I can't put my finger on it. (Saw it on dutch TV about a month
> > ago...)
THERE IS MAJOR SNIPPAGE. I HAVE A COUSIN IN THE STATES THAT GOT HOLD OF THE
UNCUT VERSION FOR ME ~whatasweetie~ THOSE ARE THE SCENES THAT GOT CUT AND
ALSO THE BLOOD GIVING SCENE< YOU KNOW WITH THE BOY.
> As you're mentioning things that were cut, they're still classed as
spoilers
> for all BBC viewers until Saturday. An additional scene that was cut in
the
> school when the vampire warns Buffy - she burns up and all the kids, with
> the exception of Buffy, back away from the vamp as this happens.
>
>
> > Another thing I am uncertain about is the voiceover at the end: In this
> > Cut, Whistler is doing the final voicover, but I'm pretty sure (I almost
> > distinctly remeber) Angel doing the final voiceover (all the voiceovers,
> > in fact) in the version I saw on dutch TV. Can any dutch viewers confirm
> > (I didn't have a VCR at the time so I didn't tape it :-( )
>
> The Sky version, and the WB version I downloaded (and for that matter,
> AleXander's transcript) all have Whistler's voice-over at the end. The Sky
> version did not contain Angel's voice-over at the start though, I don't
> think.
WELL YES, I ALSO GET TRANSCRIPTS TOO AND A BOOK CONFIRMS ALSO THAT IT IS
ANGEL WHO DOES THE VOICE OVERS
Hope this helps
Your Average Crazy Kitten
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