Buffy 1.09 The Puppet Show (SPOILERS)
P@rick
"Into every generation is born one who must run the annual talentless
show. You cannot escape your destiny."
Well, I watched the episode twice and am still confused. And I thought
'The Usual Suspects' was hard to follow. Is it just me, or did the
writers make some continuity errors in their attempt to put us on the
wrong track time after time. Here's what I think went wrong.
In their search for the killer, the Scoobies suspect Morgan, psycho
Morgan, demon Morgan, Sid, someone else, back to Sid again and finally
end with Marc. And with him sneaking up on Buffy, even principal Snyder
isn't entirely beyond suspicion at times.
All good and well, but we knew or could have known that it wasn't Sid or
Morgan. Because in the first scene, we watch Emily do her stretching,
apparently from the demon's close-to-the-floor point of view and black-
and-white vision. The we turn to color as we start sliding past the
other contestants. Marc enters the shot coming from the direction where
we were just watching Emily. It's possible that we were watching through
his eyes, but that really is stretching it a lot. Then we move on to Sid
and Morgan, who is suspiciously rubbing his head. It's not very probable
that Sid took a peek at Emily and then came scurrying back to Morgan.
This effectively rules out Sid and Morgan as the organ harvesting demon.
But the writers really want to make us think otherwise. Emily is
attacked by the demon from low to the floor, presumably about Sid's
point of view. And they let us in on the suspicious talks between Morgan
and Sid, who are also keeping an eye on Buffy.
When Marc turns out to be the demon we're after, we feel like we've been
Keyser Söze'd just like Xander. Not by Sid but by the writers.
They tried, but they didn't come near the brilliant 'The Usual Suspects'
plot. Which isn't the same as saying that this episode isn't enjoyable.
The story is told at a good pace and the twists are nice too. And when
you're, just like Buffy, not too fond of dummies there are some nice
creepy moments when Sid gets a will of his own.
I wonder how Sid and Morgan got together. Sid had a reason to be with
Morgan, because he knew that the demon would go for the boy with the
smartest brain (by that time I'm very grateful that Willow turns out to
be the second most intelligent person in school). But was it a
coincidence that the two of them met, or did Sid just turn up at
Morgan's front door one morning?
It's a good thing I watched this episode twice. Because the first time
around I completely missed the hilarious epilogue with Buffy, Willow and
Xander performing Oedipus Rex on stage. Xander trying the best he can,
Willow paralized with fear and Buffy bored out of her skull. A very
refreshing take on the piece. Not a half bad performance. They kept the
pace at a comfortably high level. Priceless.
Just as priceless was their reaction when Snyder condemned them to
participate in the talentless show. With Giles barely able to keep a
straight face.
Interesting character that Snyder. He seems to be aware of the unusal
high death rate at Sunnydale high, and the possibly even less usual ways
the victims are killed. But he's not going to stand by and watch. It's
*his* school and, as much as he hates them, those are *his* kids. And no
one gets killed without his permission.
Those huge ears are not just there for decorational value, as he
demonstrates by eavesdropping on the gang from a distance great enough
to stay out of Willow's eyesight. He can make things very difficult for
Buffy and co. But he's also slightly gullible, as he proves with his
wonderful reaction to what he sees when the curtains are drawn: "I don't
get it. What is it? Avant-garde?"
So Sid turns out to be a demon hunter. I didn't know those existed, and
wonder whether Giles and Buffy did. If there are more of them around,
they should be attracted to Sunnydale like tourists to a tropical
island. Could get crowded: you want to slay a demon you'll have to get
in line.
In a way, Giles, Xander and Willow are demon hunters as well. And Xander
would want to get it on with a Slayer just like Sid did back in the
'30s. Nice little moment of recognition there with Sid and Buffy.
Cordelia finally gets an appearance again. She has a great talent for
singing. Sadly human hearing isn't attuned to it. Ah well, at least you
can easily get rid of her just by staring at her hair.
Next week Willow gets to face her stage fright again. Now why am I not
surprised that she suffers from this anxiety? I bet Xander gets chased
around by a mime in his nightmares. And Buffy? Ironically enough she
gets wigged by a piece of wood...
Bye, Patrick
--
Keeper of the Willowism, "And I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be
damned!"
Keeper of the Wily Willow Charms
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Mattia Valente
>
> *** SPOILERS for Buffy 1.09 The Puppet Show ***
>
> "Into every generation is born one who must run the annual talentless
> show. You cannot escape your destiny."
Hehehe...just one of the great moments from this great little jewel of
an ep. BTW, have you posted your updated 'Who Are You' yet?
> Well, I watched the episode twice and am still confused. And I thought
Really? Lets see if I can help ;o)
> 'The Usual Suspects' was hard to follow.
Ahh...great movie that....but I digress.
> Is it just me, or did the
> writers make some continuity errors in their attempt to put us on the
> wrong track time after time. Here's what I think went wrong.
Hmmm..can't say I conciously noted any, but I'll take a peek.
> In their search for the killer, the Scoobies suspect Morgan, psycho
> Morgan, demon Morgan, Sid, someone else, back to Sid again and finally
> end with Marc.
More or less, yes. Still no confusion..
> And with him sneaking up on Buffy, even principal Snyder
> isn't entirely beyond suspicion at times.
Well, Snyde man is kinda evil, y'know.
> All good and well, but we knew or could have known that it wasn't Sid or
> Morgan. Because in the first scene, we watch Emily do her stretching,
> apparently from the demon's close-to-the-floor point of view and black-
> and-white vision.
Not sure it was particularly close to the floor, but ok, continue..
> The we turn to color as we start sliding past the
> other contestants. Marc enters the shot coming from the direction where
> we were just watching Emily. It's possible that we were watching through
> his eyes, but that really is stretching it a lot.
How so? I've given in and loaded up my DVD, gotta watch to make any sort
of sense..
I think it could work ok, although it *is* odd. The 'demon view' bit
really only lasts a few seconds, time enough to say, spookily, 'I will
be whole, I will be new'. Little odd, but I'll chalk it up to filmic
licence.
> Then we move on to Sid
> and Morgan, who is suspiciously rubbing his head. It's not very probable
> that Sid took a peek at Emily and then came scurrying back to Morgan.
Well, no, it isn't. But that's not necessarily something we're supposed
to be keeping in mind from the very beginning.
> This effectively rules out Sid and Morgan as the organ harvesting demon.
True enough. Then again, what kind of demon are we talking? Could be a
possesing somethingorother, astral projection, bit of anything really.
Rubbing of the head could be taken to hint at some sort of ESP. Or
something (stretching a little.)
I'm inclined to think of this opening shot as a little bit bizarre, not
quite thought out, but not really a cock up in the strictest sense.
> But the writers really want to make us think otherwise. Emily is
> attacked by the demon from low to the floor, presumably about Sid's
> point of view.
Fair enough. Scene remains odd.
> And they let us in on the suspicious talks between Morgan
> and Sid, who are also keeping an eye on Buffy.
Well, yes. Who says there's only one demon? There are a number of
possibilities here.
> When Marc turns out to be the demon we're after, we feel like we've been
> Keyser Söze'd just like Xander. Not by Sid but by the writers.
Hmm...it did come a little out of the blue, yes. But for me, this ep is
mainly one of high comic value. The MotW thing is secondary. Plus, we're
introduced to Snyder. Very important.
> They tried, but they didn't come near the brilliant 'The Usual Suspects'
> plot. Which isn't the same as saying that this episode isn't enjoyable.
I don't think they even tried that. More of a classic misdirection type
deal. Honestly, I can't say that any of this bugs me overly much. You
are right in saying that that initial scene is revealing and slightly
misleading at the same time, but anyway.
> The story is told at a good pace and the twists are nice too. And when
> you're, just like Buffy, not too fond of dummies there are some nice
> creepy moments when Sid gets a will of his own.
Sid is kewl.
> I wonder how Sid and Morgan got together. Sid had a reason to be with
> Morgan, because he knew that the demon would go for the boy with the
> smartest brain (by that time I'm very grateful that Willow turns out to
> be the second most intelligent person in school).
brrr...stop it P@rick! I'm gonna have nightmares now. ;o)
> But was it a
> coincidence that the two of them met, or did Sid just turn up at
> Morgan's front door one morning?
Who knows? I could think up a number of slightly improbable scenarios,
but I won't.
> It's a good thing I watched this episode twice. Because the first time
> around I completely missed the hilarious epilogue with Buffy, Willow and
> Xander performing Oedipus Rex on stage.
:-O
That's one of the best parts! Totally hilarious! (ranks up there with
Snyder's 'I don't get it' and a large number of other moments in this
ep. Did I mention I sorta love this ep?)
> Xander trying the best he can,
> Willow paralized with fear and Buffy bored out of her skull. A very
> refreshing take on the piece. Not a half bad performance. They kept the
> pace at a comfortably high level. Priceless.
Well, when the words were remembered. Quite humorous indeed.
> Just as priceless was their reaction when Snyder condemned them to
> participate in the talentless show. With Giles barely able to keep a
> straight face.
The blank, defeated looks on their faces. It's the beggining of the long
torture that is Principal Snyder, this. You have to love the guy for his
funny value though; "That's the kind of liberal thinking that leads to
being eaten" (and the likes of that. Again, too lazy for transcripts..)
> Interesting character that Snyder. He seems to be aware of the unusal
> high death rate at Sunnydale high, and the possibly even less usual ways
> the victims are killed. But he's not going to stand by and watch. It's
> *his* school and, as much as he hates them, those are *his* kids. And no
> one gets killed without his permission.
Right. Because then chaos ensues, and that's definately not ok for our
new Fuehrer ('I believe we call them Principals'), he of infinite
dorkdom (watched Band Candy today..)
> Those huge ears are not just there for decorational value, as he
> demonstrates by eavesdropping on the gang from a distance great enough
> to stay out of Willow's eyesight.
Weasly, sneaky little man, isn't he?
> He can make things very difficult for
> Buffy and co. But he's also slightly gullible, as he proves with his
> wonderful reaction to what he sees when the curtains are drawn: "I don't
> get it. What is it? Avant-garde?"
:o)
What else was he supposed to thing? Demon slayage backstage?
> So Sid turns out to be a demon hunter. I didn't know those existed, and
> wonder whether Giles and Buffy did.
Probably.
> If there are more of them around,
> they should be attracted to Sunnydale like tourists to a tropical
> island. Could get crowded: you want to slay a demon you'll have to get
> in line.
Hehehe...we'll just have to assume there are demons to be found all over
the place. Not all slayers hung out in Sunnydale, y'know. Angel has his
hands full in LA, for example.
> In a way, Giles, Xander and Willow are demon hunters as well. And Xander
> would want to get it on with a Slayer just like Sid did back in the
> '30s. Nice little moment of recognition there with Sid and Buffy.
Hehehe..."So the Horny Dummy thing isn't an act?...eww." Priceless...
> Cordelia finally gets an appearance again. She has a great talent for
> singing. Sadly human hearing isn't attuned to it. Ah well, at least you
> can easily get rid of her just by staring at her hair.
I absolutely love that scene. Especially Giles' snicker and 'Xander was
right, works like a charm' thing. Great stuff.
> Next week Willow gets to face her stage fright again. Now why am I not
> surprised that she suffers from this anxiety? I bet Xander gets chased
> around by a mime in his nightmares. And Buffy? Ironically enough she
> gets wigged by a piece of wood...
Indeed. Go figure.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
"I saw a dummy. It gave me the wig. There really wasn't a story there"
-Buffy, 'The Puppet Show'
Jonathan Black
a repost, please ignore any dupes]
Mattia Valente wrote:
> P@rick wrote:
>
> > It's a good thing I watched this episode twice. Because the
> > first time around I completely missed the hilarious epilogue
> > with Buffy, Willow and Xander performing Oedipus Rex on
> > stage.
>
> :-O
>
> That's one of the best parts! Totally hilarious! (ranks up
> there with Snyder's 'I don't get it' and a large number of
> other moments in this ep. Did I mention I sorta love this
> ep?)
I sorta love it, too. One reason is that the first time I saw it
was last Summer in a hotel room in Dublin, on the glorious Sky
One (with the slight imperfection of missing the first ten
minutes), so I always kinda remember that when I see it.
Apart from that, it's just a very cool little ep, with lots of
things to love about about it, not in the least the first
appearance of Prinicipal Snyder, wonderfully played by Armin
Shimerman from the very start.
I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say you
"missed" the epilogue first time round. Almost sound like you...
[hesitates before speaking evil words]... "cut" [shudder] the end
credits, and _that_ can't be true, can it?
Bye,
--
jonathaN
Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
--`The Puppet Show'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Mattia Valente
> [I'm having a bad nntp day, this is
> a repost, please ignore any dupes]
No dupes here. Dopes, OTOH...
<ducking and running>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> > P@rick wrote:
> > > It's a good thing I watched this episode twice. Because the
> > > first time around I completely missed the hilarious epilogue
> > > with Buffy, Willow and Xander performing Oedipus Rex on
> > > stage.
> >
> > :-O
> >
> > That's one of the best parts! Totally hilarious! (ranks up
> > there with Snyder's 'I don't get it' and a large number of
> > other moments in this ep. Did I mention I sorta love this
> > ep?)
>
> I sorta love it, too. One reason is that the first time I saw it
> was last Summer in a hotel room in Dublin, on the glorious Sky
> One (with the slight imperfection of missing the first ten
> minutes), so I always kinda remember that when I see it.
Sky's mostly nice because they a) don't cut stuff and b) start airing
new stuff soon and c) don't interrupt it for sports. They do have logo's
and commercials though. First time I saw this ep was in French, I think.
Wasn't nearly as nice.
> Apart from that, it's just a very cool little ep, with lots of
> things to love about about it, not in the least the first
> appearance of Prinicipal Snyder, wonderfully played by Armin
> Shimerman from the very start.
Ain't that the truth. I was just thinking, being in S3 rewatch mode,
that the first 3-4 eps contain a large number of funny alternative names
for Snyder (you know, like Snyd-man, weasel, or something like
that..again, I'm too lazy to check transcripts..)
> I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say you
> "missed" the epilogue first time round.
Right.
> Almost sound like you...
> [hesitates before speaking evil words]... "cut" [shudder] the end
> credits, and _that_ can't be true, can it?
Shocking thought..
> Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
> Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
> Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
I *so* love that moment :o)
I'm also discovering that Math can actually be funny (bit of a
revelation), busy reading Cryptonomicon (and, parallel to that, Harry
Potter number 4 and Tolkien. Bit silly, but OK. Busy week though, not
much time to really read much.)
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
> > [I'm having a bad nntp day, this is
> > a repost, please ignore any dupes]
>
> No dupes here. Dopes, OTOH...
>
> <ducking and running>
Oh!
> > [...] the first time I saw it was last Summer in a hotel room
> > in Dublin, on the glorious Sky One (with the slight
> > imperfection of missing the first ten minutes), so I always
> > kinda remember that when I see it.
>
> Sky's mostly nice because they a) don't cut stuff
I don't believe that's entirely correct. I think they have been
known to indulge in minor snippage, most notably of neck snaps
and occaisionally language. This is on BtVS, but never on Angel
as it airs after the all important 9pm watershed.
> and b) start airing new stuff soon and c) don't interrupt it
> for sports. They do have logo's and commercials though.
Yeah, pretty badly placed commercials, AFAIK. Almost as many as
in the US, but annoyingly, rarely using the intended break
positions. The classic example is in Becoming Part II, where Sky
place a commercial break at the moment Buffy bursts into tears
and the Sarah McLachlan song starts playing. Now _that's_ bad...
In Sky's defence, they do have the decency to always show the
full end credits. That would never happen if they were Dutch.
> First time I saw this ep was in French, I think. Wasn't
> nearly as nice.
I believe you.
> > [...] Prinicipal Snyder, wonderfully played by Armin
> > Shimerman from the very start.
>
> Ain't that the truth. I was just thinking, being in S3
> rewatch mode, that the first 3-4 eps contain a large number
> of funny alternative names for Snyder (you know, like
> Snyd-man, weasel, or something like that..again, I'm too lazy
> to check transcripts..)
You mean Armin's first 3-4 eps or the first 3-4 eps of S3?
> > Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
> > Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
> > Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
>
> I *so* love that moment :o)
Yeah. To nitpick, though, how is that Xander just _happens_ to
pick a cubic number? :)
> I'm also discovering that Math can actually be funny (bit of
> a revelation), busy reading Cryptonomicon (and, parallel to
> that, Harry Potter number 4 and Tolkien. Bit silly, but OK.
> Busy week though, not much time to really read much.)
Right, sounds like I should add that Crypto stuff to my list of
things to read. Potter and Tolkien are already on it...
Bye,
--
jonathaN
"I like books, I just don't want to take on too much."
--Buffy, `The Freshman'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> > > [I'm having a bad nntp day, this is
> > > a repost, please ignore any dupes]
> >
> > No dupes here. Dopes, OTOH...
> >
> > <ducking and running>
>
> Oh!
<evil>hehehehe...</evil>
I'm not necessarily excluding myself, BTW..
> > > [...] the first time I saw it was last Summer in a hotel room
> > > in Dublin, on the glorious Sky One (with the slight
> > > imperfection of missing the first ten minutes), so I always
> > > kinda remember that when I see it.
> >
> > Sky's mostly nice because they a) don't cut stuff
>
> I don't believe that's entirely correct. I think they have been
> known to indulge in minor snippage, most notably of neck snaps
> and occaisionally language. This is on BtVS, but never on Angel
> as it airs after the all important 9pm watershed.
Ah. OK then, Bad BAD Sky! I like net5 that way, air whatever, whenever
they feel like it. The only thing they've cut is a few PoB's and the
credits, which, IMHO, is bad, but not nearly as bad as cutting within an
ep. Not too stellar with the commercial breaks, but oh well..
> > and b) start airing new stuff soon and c) don't interrupt it
> > for sports. They do have logo's and commercials though.
>
> Yeah, pretty badly placed commercials, AFAIK. Almost as many as
From the 4 eps I've got on tape, not too great with the placement. Not
hideous, but not too great.
> in the US, but annoyingly, rarely using the intended break
> positions. The classic example is in Becoming Part II, where Sky
> place a commercial break at the moment Buffy bursts into tears
> and the Sarah McLachlan song starts playing. Now _that's_ bad...
:-O
> In Sky's defence, they do have the decency to always show the
> full end credits. That would never happen if they were Dutch.
Indeed. Unless they were FOX (who is continuing this odd trend. Not that
I mind. BTW, my TV guide says 'programmering onder voorbehoud'.
Interesting...sort of, in a 'totally not really at all' way.)
> > First time I saw this ep was in French, I think. Wasn't
> > nearly as nice.
>
> I believe you.
;-)
> > > [...] Prinicipal Snyder, wonderfully played by Armin
> > > Shimerman from the very start.
> >
> > Ain't that the truth. I was just thinking, being in S3
> > rewatch mode, that the first 3-4 eps contain a large number
> > of funny alternative names for Snyder (you know, like
> > Snyd-man, weasel, or something like that..again, I'm too lazy
> > to check transcripts..)
>
> You mean Armin's first 3-4 eps or the first 3-4 eps of S3?
first 3-4 eps of S3, I mean. He's got some nice nicknames prior to that
as well, mind you..
> > > Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
> > > Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
> > > Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
> >
> > I *so* love that moment :o)
>
> Yeah. To nitpick, though, how is that Xander just _happens_ to
> pick a cubic number? :)
Hehe..that did sorta bug me. Maybe Xander's got hidden math
tal....naaah. Call it luck.
> > I'm also discovering that Math can actually be funny (bit of
> > a revelation), busy reading Cryptonomicon (and, parallel to
> > that, Harry Potter number 4 and Tolkien. Bit silly, but OK.
> > Busy week though, not much time to really read much.)
>
> Right, sounds like I should add that Crypto stuff to my list of
> things to read. Potter and Tolkien are already on it...
;o)
You study math, don't you? My guess is you'd like it. Even non math
people would like it. It's quite a hoot already, plays with history
(Alan Turing's in it. Not really a spoiler, that..), etc. etc, and I'm
not even to the point where anything makes much sense yet. I'm
definately buying Snow Crash (funny Cyberpunk? Who can resist!)
> "I like books, I just don't want to take on too much."
:-p
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Jonathan Black
> P@rick wrote:
>
> > It's a good thing I watched this episode twice. Because the
> > first time around I completely missed the hilarious epilogue
> > with Buffy, Willow and Xander performing Oedipus Rex on
> > stage.
>
> :-O
>
> That's one of the best parts! Totally hilarious! (ranks up
> there with Snyder's 'I don't get it' and a large number of
> other moments in this ep. Did I mention I sorta love this
> ep?)
I sorta love it, too. One reason is that the first time I saw it
was last Summer in a hotel room in Dublin, on the glorious Sky
One (with the slight imperfection of missing the first ten
minutes), so I always kinda remember that when I see it.
Apart from that, it's just a very cool little ep, with lots of
things to love about about it, not in the least the first
appearance of Prinicipal Snyder, wonderfully played by Armin
Shimerman from the very start.
I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say you
"missed" the epilogue first time round. Almost sound like you...
[hesitates before speaking evil words]... "cut" [shudder] the end
credits, and _that_ can't be true, can it?
Bye,
--
jonathaN
Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
P@rick
> "P@rick" wrote:
> > When Marc turns out to be the demon we're after, we feel like we've been
> > Keyser Söze'd just like Xander. Not by Sid but by the writers.
>
> Hmm...it did come a little out of the blue, yes. But for me, this ep is
> mainly one of high comic value. The MotW thing is secondary. Plus, we're
> introduced to Snyder. Very important.
It has a lot of other virtues, yes. But you can't help getting drawn
into the whodunnit story. Which is probably intended by the writers. And
if you participate in it, the outcome is rather surprising. Especially
when you have the change to rewatch, and you notice that it just doesn't
feel right. The demon-view from close to the floor, in an effort to make
it look like Sid is the demon. And then it turns out to be Marc. It
feels like a forced surprise effect, which results in plot holes.
> > They tried, but they didn't come near the brilliant 'The Usual Suspects'
> > plot. Which isn't the same as saying that this episode isn't enjoyable.
>
> I don't think they even tried that. More of a classic misdirection type
> deal. Honestly, I can't say that any of this bugs me overly much. You
> are right in saying that that initial scene is revealing and slightly
> misleading at the same time, but anyway.
Not slightly misleading. They're actively trying to make you think that
it's Sid, or possibly Morgan using Sid. Nothing wrong with that. But
when it turns out to be Marc who did the killing, the scene where Emily
is attacked suddenly looks illogical. Only because they intentionally
shot it that way to make us believe it was Sid.
That might not bother you, but it put me off enough to make me rewatch
the ep again only to whether my doubts about the internal consistency of
the story were correct. I enjoyed the humor much more the second time,
because I wasn't distracted by the MoTW story as much as the first time.
> > I wonder how Sid and Morgan got together. Sid had a reason to be with
> > Morgan, because he knew that the demon would go for the boy with the
> > smartest brain (by that time I'm very grateful that Willow turns out to
> > be the second most intelligent person in school).
>
> brrr...stop it P@rick! I'm gonna have nightmares now. ;o)
Oh, that one is scheduled for this weekend ;o)
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
> I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say you
> "missed" the epilogue first time round. Almost sound like you...
> [hesitates before speaking evil words]... "cut" [shudder] the end
> credits, and _that_ can't be true, can it?
Hell yeah. Just like I cut all the violence, bad language, spitting and
suggestive gestures from the eps.
What really happend was that there.. uhh.. was a-a power failure. Yeah,
that's it! The power suddenly failed, just before the credits started. I
think someone was practicing some magic in my neighbourhood.
> Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
> Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
> Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
Why is it that they always measure intelligence by knowing the square
root of random numbers?
Bye, Patrick
--
"I tried to communicate with the spirit world, and I *so* wasn't ready
for that. It's like being pulled apart inside. Plus I blew the power for
our whole block. Big scare."
Willow - Dead Man's Party
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan wrote:
>
> > I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say you
> > "missed" the epilogue first time round. Almost sound like
> > you... [hesitates before speaking evil words]... "cut"
> > [shudder] the end credits, and _that_ can't be true, can it?
>
> Hell yeah. Just like I cut all the violence, bad language,
> spitting and suggestive gestures from the eps.
Really? What software do you use for that? Cause I've been
thinking about ripping the DVDs myself, and re-encoding them at
their proper 23.976fps frame rate, perhaps for burning as
NTSC-encapsulated film SuperVCDs, just for my own personal use,
until the R1 versions finally come along.
> What really happend /
Oh, damn, you were kidding.
> / was that there.. uhh.. was a-a power failure. Yeah, that's
> it! The power suddenly failed, just before the credits
> started. I think someone was practicing some magic in my
> neighbourhood.
Or someone on your lap...
> "I tried to communicate with the spirit world, and I *so*
> wasn't ready for that. It's like being pulled apart inside.
> Plus I blew the power for our whole block. Big scare."
>
> Willow - Dead Man's Party
;-)
--
jonathaN http://come.to/nkSF
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
>
> > In Sky's defence, they do have the decency to always show the
> > full end credits. That would never happen if they were Dutch.
>
> Indeed. Unless they were FOX (who is continuing this odd
> trend. Not that I mind.
Really? FOX are still showing full end credits on all shows?
Sweet. Can't say I've really watched the channel since Angel and
stuff were pulled from it.
> BTW, my TV guide says 'programmering onder voorbehoud'.
> Interesting...sort of, in a 'totally not really at all' way.)
Yeah, well I wish I could say I thought they were showing all
those credits for the right reasons. More likely, they are simply
not bothering to snip them, cause ATM they aren't really caring
if people zap away from it or not. The station's sort of in on
stand-by mode, showing any old crap, waiting for the new owners
to move in, is my take.
> > > > Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
> > > > Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
> > > > Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
> > >
> > > I *so* love that moment :o)
> >
> > Yeah. To nitpick, though, how is that Xander just _happens_ to
> > pick a cubic number? :)
>
> Hehe..that did sorta bug me. Maybe Xander's got hidden math
> tal....naaah. Call it luck.
Yeah. Can I just correct myself, here, though? How the heck did I
come up with "cubic" number, when of course I simply meant to say
"square"?
[Cryptonomicon]
> > Right, sounds like I should add that Crypto stuff to my list of
> > things to read. Potter and Tolkien are already on it...
>
> You study math, don't you? My guess is you'd like it.
Yeah.
> Even non math people would like it. It's quite a hoot
> already, plays with history (Alan Turing's in it. Not really
> a spoiler, that..), etc. etc, and I'm not even to the point
> where anything makes much sense yet. I'm definately buying
> Snow Crash (funny Cyberpunk? Who can resist!)
[sigh] So many books, so little time.
> > "I like books, I just don't want to take on too much."
>
> :-p
That's probably one of my most used quotes, so here's one I've
never used before, AFAICR.
Bye,
--
jonathaN
Xander: "Why do I need to learn this?"
Willow: "Cause otherwise you'll flunk math?"
Xander: "Explain the part where that's bad."
Willow: "You remember, you fail math, you flunk out of school,
you end up being the guy at the pizza place that sweeps
the floor and says, `Hey, kids, where's the cool parties
this weekend?' We've been through this."
--`The Pack'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> >
> > > In Sky's defence, they do have the decency to always show the
> > > full end credits. That would never happen if they were Dutch.
> >
> > Indeed. Unless they were FOX (who is continuing this odd
> > trend. Not that I mind.
>
> Really? FOX are still showing full end credits on all shows?
Not all. On a good number of shows, though.
> Sweet. Can't say I've really watched the channel since Angel and
> stuff were pulled from it.
Heh...not much on, really.
> > BTW, my TV guide says 'programmering onder voorbehoud'.
> > Interesting...sort of, in a 'totally not really at all' way.)
>
> Yeah, well I wish I could say I thought they were showing all
> those credits for the right reasons. More likely, they are simply
> not bothering to snip them, cause ATM they aren't really caring
> if people zap away from it or not. The station's sort of in on
> stand-by mode, showing any old crap, waiting for the new owners
> to move in, is my take.
Yep. Repeating the one season they've got of Strange World (the only one
that was made) which is pretty watchable, and then a lot of stupid crap,
like bad movies, and worse TV shows (Fantasy Island, anyone?)
> > > > > Willow: "What could a demon possibly want from me?"
> > > > > Xander: "What's the square root of 841?"
> > > > > Willow: "29. Oh, yeah."
> > > >
> > > > I *so* love that moment :o)
> > >
> > > Yeah. To nitpick, though, how is that Xander just _happens_ to
> > > pick a cubic number? :)
> >
> > Hehe..that did sorta bug me. Maybe Xander's got hidden math
> > tal....naaah. Call it luck.
>
> Yeah. Can I just correct myself, here, though? How the heck did I
> come up with "cubic" number, when of course I simply meant to say
> "square"?
Well, yeah. Oops. Hehe. 841 doesn't have a cube root (in the integer
sense, anyway..it's roughly 9.44)
> [Cryptonomicon]
> > > Right, sounds like I should add that Crypto stuff to my list of
> > > things to read. Potter and Tolkien are already on it...
> >
> > You study math, don't you? My guess is you'd like it.
>
> Yeah.
Read it.
> > Even non math people would like it. It's quite a hoot
> > already, plays with history (Alan Turing's in it. Not really
> > a spoiler, that..), etc. etc, and I'm not even to the point
> > where anything makes much sense yet. I'm definately buying
> > Snow Crash (funny Cyberpunk? Who can resist!)
>
> [sigh] So many books, so little time.
Just pick one, and start reading.
> > > "I like books, I just don't want to take on too much."
> >
> > :-p
>
> That's probably one of my most used quotes, so here's one I've
> never used before, AFAICR.
Heheh..there is a way to remedy that, y'know?
> Xander: "Why do I need to learn this?"
> Willow: "Cause otherwise you'll flunk math?"
> Xander: "Explain the part where that's bad."
> Willow: "You remember, you fail math, you flunk out of school,
> you end up being the guy at the pizza place that sweeps
> the floor and says, `Hey, kids, where's the cool parties
> this weekend?' We've been through this."
No, I don't believe that one's been used as a sig..(well, not by you,
anyway.)
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Mattia Valente
> P@rick and UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTERP@rickwrote:
hehehehehehe....Linux having issues?
> > Jonathan wrote:
> > > I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say you
> > > "missed" the epilogue first time round. Almost sound like
> > > you... [hesitates before speaking evil words]... "cut"
> > > [shudder] the end credits, and _that_ can't be true, can it?
> >
> > Hell yeah. Just like I cut all the violence, bad language,
> > spitting and suggestive gestures from the eps.
>
> Really? What software do you use for that? Cause I've been
> thinking about ripping the DVDs myself, and re-encoding them at
> their proper 23.976fps frame rate, perhaps for burning as
> NTSC-encapsulated film SuperVCDs, just for my own personal use,
> until the R1 versions finally come along.
Err....Jon? You are, of course, joking, right? I mean, speedup or not,
DVD vs. VCD?
> > What really happend /
>
> Oh, damn, you were kidding.
hehe...
> > / was that there.. uhh.. was a-a power failure. Yeah, that's
> > it! The power suddenly failed, just before the credits
> > started. I think someone was practicing some magic in my
> > neighbourhood.
>
> Or someone on your lap...
Naah...that would never happen. Except, of course, for the times that it
did happen. But there were circumstances then.
> > "I tried to communicate with the spirit world, and I *so*
> > wasn't ready for that. It's like being pulled apart inside.
> > Plus I blew the power for our whole block. Big scare."
:o)
Mattia
I watched (most of) that ep recently. Good times, good times..
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
>
> [Fox8]
> > Yeah, well I wish I could say I thought they were showing all
> > those credits for the right reasons. More likely, they are
> > simply not bothering to snip them, cause ATM they aren't
> > really caring if people zap away from it or not. The
> > station's sort of in on stand-by mode, showing any old crap,
> > waiting for the new owners to move in, is my take.
>
> Yep. Repeating the one season they've got of Strange World
> (the only one that was made) which is pretty watchable, and
> then a lot of stupid crap, like bad movies, /
Hehe, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, anyone? [still haven't seen it]
> / and worse TV shows (Fantasy Island, anyone?)
Right.
> > [sigh] So many books, so little time.
>
> Just pick one, and start reading.
You make it sound very simple, Mattia, and perhaps it is.
> > > > "I like books, I just don't want to take on too much."
> > >
> > > :-p
> >
> > That's probably one of my most used quotes, so here's one I've
> > never used before, AFAICR.
>
> Heheh..there is a way to remedy that, y'know?
A way to remedy what? 1) The fact that the above quote is one of
my most used quotes, 2) the fact that the below one is one I have
never used before, or 3) the fact that I can't 100% for sure
remember whether the below one is one I have never used before?
I'm guessing 1), with the remedy being use it less while using
other quotes more, but I'm not entirely sure that's what you
meant.
> > Xander: "Why do I need to learn this?"
> > Willow: "Cause otherwise you'll flunk math?"
> > Xander: "Explain the part where that's bad."
> > Willow: "You remember, you fail math, you flunk out of school,
> > you end up being the guy at the pizza place that sweeps
> > the floor and says, `Hey, kids, where's the cool parties
> > this weekend?' We've been through this."
>
> No, I don't believe that one's been used as a sig..(well, not
> by you, anyway.)
Good. On another note, I recently discovered what I believe to be
a mistake in the transcripts of A New Man. In the below quote, it
has "your cause", where I believe Giles is in fact saying "your
_course_". The confusion is no doubt due to his British accent,
in which there is far less difference between the two then there
would be in proper American English.
Bye,
--
jonathaN
"Buffy's been very influenced by your course. She quotes you
quite often. Sometimes she sounds like an introductory textbook
herself."
--Giles, `A New Man'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> > [Fox8]
> > > Yeah, well I wish I could say I thought they were showing all
> > > those credits for the right reasons. More likely, they are
> > > simply not bothering to snip them, cause ATM they aren't
> > > really caring if people zap away from it or not. The
> > > station's sort of in on stand-by mode, showing any old crap,
> > > waiting for the new owners to move in, is my take.
> >
> > Yep. Repeating the one season they've got of Strange World
> > (the only one that was made) which is pretty watchable, and
> > then a lot of stupid crap, like bad movies, /
>
> Hehe, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, anyone? [still haven't seen it]
I still can't believe it. It's just funny, in a very strange way. Kind
of disconcerting and all that. I have it on tape, with full credits.
Want to borrow it?
;-P
> > / and worse TV shows (Fantasy Island, anyone?)
>
> Right.
Indeed.
> > > [sigh] So many books, so little time.
> >
> > Just pick one, and start reading.
>
> You make it sound very simple, Mattia, and perhaps it is.
Trust me, it is. Well, sometimes the picking is a little difficult, so
either 1) start with something you have in the house (oh, I don't know,
Lord of the Rings?) or 2) borrow one, have them reccomend something (if
you know people with similar tastes in entertainment..) or 3) Just go
and buy something. I'll be glad to give you advice ;-)
> > > > > "I like books, I just don't want to take on too much."
> > > >
> > > > :-p
> > >
> > > That's probably one of my most used quotes, so here's one I've
> > > never used before, AFAICR.
> >
> > Heheh..there is a way to remedy that, y'know?
>
> A way to remedy what? 1) The fact that the above quote is one of
> my most used quotes, 2) the fact that the below one is one I have
> never used before, or 3) the fact that I can't 100% for sure
> remember whether the below one is one I have never used before?
> I'm guessing 1), with the remedy being use it less while using
> other quotes more, but I'm not entirely sure that's what you
> meant.
Well, I was kind of referring to all 3 possibilities, though number 1
was in fact the least on the list, and yet one more: you can remedy your
frequent usage of it by reading mroe books, making it less appropriate
to use in a number of conditions. Geddit?
> > > Xander: "Why do I need to learn this?"
> > > Willow: "Cause otherwise you'll flunk math?"
> > > Xander: "Explain the part where that's bad."
> > > Willow: "You remember, you fail math, you flunk out of school,
> > > you end up being the guy at the pizza place that sweeps
> > > the floor and says, `Hey, kids, where's the cool parties
> > > this weekend?' We've been through this."
> >
> > No, I don't believe that one's been used as a sig..(well, not
> > by you, anyway.)
>
> Good. On another note, I recently discovered what I believe to be
> a mistake in the transcripts of A New Man. In the below quote, it
> has "your cause", where I believe Giles is in fact saying "your
> _course_". The confusion is no doubt due to his British accent,
> in which there is far less difference between the two then there
> would be in proper American English.
Indeed. It's not the only mess up I've noted. I think the bit at the end
of Something Blue is incorrect in some versions of the transcripts I've
seen. Giles saying 'A-ha.. Five past two. Thursday', according to the
trancripts, when it is, of course 'bright as day'. Or something like
that (I can't be bothered to pull out my tape. If it was a DVD, I'd
check, but no luck yet ;-) Hmmm...Net5 made the same mistake. Think they
were working off the transcripts? Or are we all just very deaf and
wrong?
Similarly there are a number of typos in the whole 'amplifier
talk/musicisaneese' bit between Oz and Veruca, and I've seen a few other
screwups, but mostly, they're spot on. I'm too lazy to actually
proofread any of it.
> "Buffy's been very influenced by your course. She quotes you
> quite often. Sometimes she sounds like an introductory textbook
> herself."
Definately course. 'Cause' would, at this point in the timeline, make
absolutely no sense at all.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Mattia Valente
> Giles saying 'A-ha.. Five past two. Thursday', according to the
> trancripts, when it is, of course 'bright as day'. Or something like
> that (I can't be bothered to pull out my tape. If it was a DVD, I'd
> check, but no luck yet ;-)
Uh, memory flash: 'Clear as day' is what it was. I think. Anyone bored,
or happen to have a digital version of the ep they feel like checking?
Mattia
LazyMesiter[tm]
Yes, I'm aware that's technically George's title. I'm borrowing it.
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
> > P@rick and UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTERP@rickwrote:
>
> hehehehehehe....Linux having issues?
Something to do with P@rick's new newsreader and the @ in his
name, I think. Kleiweg mentioned some expanation for it over in
TOG[tm], IIRC.
> > > Jonathan wrote:
> > > > I have to ask, though, P@rick, help me out here, you say
> > > > you "missed" the epilogue first time round. Almost sound
> > > > like you... [hesitates before speaking evil
> > > > words]... "cut" [shudder] the end credits, and _that_
> > > > can't be true, can it?
> > >
> > > Hell yeah. Just like I cut all the violence, bad language,
> > > spitting and suggestive gestures from the eps.
> >
> > Really? What software do you use for that? Cause I've been
> > thinking about ripping the DVDs myself, and re-encoding them
> > at their proper 23.976fps frame rate, perhaps for burning as
> > NTSC-encapsulated film SuperVCDs, just for my own personal
> > use, until the R1 versions finally come along.
>
> Err....Jon? You are, of course, joking, right? I mean,
> speedup or not, DVD vs. VCD?
Well, I mean, pristine quality or not, chipmunks vs. perfect
pitch? :-) And in fact I didn't say VCD now did I? I said
SuperVCD (SVCD), which is a superior format, using MPEG-2
compression, just like DVD does, not MPEG-1 like normal VCD, and
at 480x480 resolution (or 480x576 for PAL), so the same vertical
resolution as DVD, albeit a tad less horizontal (DVD is 720x480
for NTSC, 720x576 for PAL, normal VCD is only 352x240 or
352x288). In short, if you took the time to do it properly, you
might well be able to achieve results which are not too bad at
all. To actually do it, though, I'd probably need a faster
computer with a bit more in the way of shitloads of hard drive
space...
Bye,
--
jonathaN
"I think I speak for everyone here when I say HUH?!"
--Buffy, `Out of Mind, Out of Sight'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
P@rick
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> > > P@rick and UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTERP@rickwrote:
> >
> > hehehehehehe....Linux having issues?
>
> Something to do with P@rick's new newsreader and the @ in his
> name, I think. Kleiweg mentioned some expanation for it over in
> TOG[tm], IIRC.
Yes. I should use 'P@rick' or "P@rick" instead of P@rick. But I really
don't feel like doing that. Strangely, I never had the problem when
using OE *spit*.
I'm not going to change my nick just because soem inferior OS can't
handle it :oP
Bye, "P@rick"
Mattia Valente
Jonathan Black wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> > > P@rick and UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTERP@rickwrote:
> >
> > hehehehehehe....Linux having issues?
>
> Something to do with P@rick's new newsreader and the @ in his
> name, I think. Kleiweg mentioned some expanation for it over in
> TOG[tm], IIRC.
Right. Blame him because your software can't deal with it, right?
;-P
I bascially skimmed over Kleiweg's explanation, didn't mean anything to
mean, so I moved on..
> > Err....Jon? You are, of course, joking, right? I mean,
> > speedup or not, DVD vs. VCD?
>
> Well, I mean, pristine quality or not, chipmunks vs. perfect
> pitch? :-) And in fact I didn't say VCD now did I? I said
> SuperVCD (SVCD), which is a superior format, using MPEG-2
> compression, just like DVD does, not MPEG-1 like normal VCD, and
> at 480x480 resolution (or 480x576 for PAL), so the same vertical
> resolution as DVD, albeit a tad less horizontal (DVD is 720x480
> for NTSC, 720x576 for PAL, normal VCD is only 352x240 or
> 352x288). In short, if you took the time to do it properly, you
> might well be able to achieve results which are not too bad at
> all. To actually do it, though, I'd probably need a faster
> computer with a bit more in the way of shitloads of hard drive
> space...
Riiight. IE: way too much work?
> "I think I speak for everyone here when I say HUH?!"
Heheh..I actually understood most of that.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Jonathan Black
Nor should you. Hell, didn't Kleiweg complain himself when
someone's OE or whatever came up with
"Peter Kleiweg" <klei...@address.nl> wrote in message:
or something? Aanhalingstekens mogen weg, hoor, ik heet echt zo,
I believe was the phrase. I don't have a problem with manually
editing the blurb my newsreader comes up with back down to a
simple "P@rick wrote:" (without the quotes), I do far more
painstaking stuff all the time, like editing down other people's
software's bloated intro's, which include like the whole email
address, date, message-id, etc.
--
jonathaN
"I'm the Slayer. Slay-er? Chosen One. She who
hangs out a lot in cemeteries? You're kidding.
Ask around. Look it up: `Slayer' comma `the'."
--Buffy to Riley, `Doomed'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
> > > Err....Jon? You are, of course, joking, right? I mean,
> > > speedup or not, DVD vs. VCD?
> >
> > Well, I mean, pristine quality or not, chipmunks vs. perfect
> > pitch? :-) And in fact I didn't say VCD now did I? I said
> > SuperVCD (SVCD), which is a superior format, using MPEG-2
> > compression, just like DVD does, not MPEG-1 like normal VCD, and
> > at 480x480 resolution (or 480x576 for PAL), so the same vertical
> > resolution as DVD, albeit a tad less horizontal (DVD is 720x480
> > for NTSC, 720x576 for PAL, normal VCD is only 352x240 or
> > 352x288). In short, if you took the time to do it properly, you
> > might well be able to achieve results which are not too bad at
> > all. To actually do it, though, I'd probably need a faster
> > computer with a bit more in the way of shitloads of hard drive
> > space...
>
> Riiight. IE: way too much work?
Well, with a nice big fast computer it could probably be
realtively simple. Rip the DVD, then use something like
VirtualDub to slow down the frame rate of the video. The
audiotrack would probably have to be handled separately, using
e.g. Cooledit to slow it down too, then re-multiplex them back
together into an SVCD-spec mpeg-2 file, which can then be burned
to CD. The encoding would take a lot of CPU power, I think, maybe
a day or more on my 3 year old computer, maybe a couple of hours
or so on a more modern P-III, but I'm just guessing here.
> > "I think I speak for everyone here when I say HUH?!"
>
> Heheh..I actually understood most of that.
Oh well I wasn't thinking of you, Mattia.
Bye,
--
jonathaN
Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente wrote:
<SNIP technobabble: Part I>
> > Riiight. IE: way too much work?
>
> Well, with a nice big fast computer it could probably be
> realtively simple.
Key word being relatively. Like most computerize tasks, as soon as
you've got it set up right, it shouldn't be much of an issue.
> Rip the DVD, then use something like
> VirtualDub to slow down the frame rate of the video. The
Without funky jerkiness? IE, better than what you Hollywood+ can do?
> audiotrack would probably have to be handled separately, using
> e.g. Cooledit to slow it down too, then re-multiplex them back
> together into an SVCD-spec mpeg-2 file, which can then be burned
> to CD.
Fair enough. I'm guessing the adio/Video synch would have to be done
quite carefully. Watch the decimal places exactly, boy's 'n girls. No
big funny rounding here ;o)
> The encoding would take a lot of CPU power, I think, maybe
> a day or more on my 3 year old computer, maybe a couple of hours
> or so on a more modern P-III, but I'm just guessing here.
Right. Encoding is a bitch. Even and MP3 takes a decent amount of time.
If I had a) A PC-DVD player, and b) acutal Harddrive space, and c) a
CD-RW drive, I'd be tempted to try it for kicks.
> > > "I think I speak for everyone here when I say HUH?!"
> >
> > Heheh..I actually understood most of that.
>
> Oh well I wasn't thinking of you, Mattia.
Aw, shucks..
;o)
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Oh crap, it's friday, right? Gotta answer P@rick's question..
Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
> > Rip the DVD, then use something like VirtualDub to slow down
> > the frame rate of the video. The
>
> Without funky jerkiness? IE, better than what you Hollywood+
> can do?
Well, yeah, no jerkiness at all, cause you'd just be slowing it
down, playing the exact same frames, but at a rate of 23.976 per
second instead of 25. (Don't forget the whole reason the
PAL-speedup issue exists in the first place is that it's simply
the easiest way to play 24fps material as 25fps PAL without any
jerkiness, just speed it up to 25fps. What i'm proposing is
simply to reverse the process by slowing the 25fps PAL DVD back
down to its original 24, sorry 23.976 frame rate). The H+ plays
NTSC as PAL and v.v. _without_ changing the speed, so then you
get jerkiness as 24 original frames are output as 25 PAL ones or
whatever (to do this, it simply repeats 1 frame per second, hence
jerkiness).
> > audiotrack would probably have to be handled separately,
> > using e.g. Cooledit to slow it down too, then re-multiplex
> > them back together into an SVCD-spec mpeg-2 file, which can
> > then be burned to CD.
>
> Fair enough. I'm guessing the adio/Video synch would have to
> be done quite carefully. Watch the decimal places exactly,
> boy's 'n girls. No big funny rounding here ;o)
Hmm, you'd just have to make sure you slowed it down by exactly
the right amount, 23.976/25 = 0.95904, so 95.904% of its original
speed is what you want. Then it should fit back exactly on top of
your slowed down video.
Bye,
--
jonathaN
Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> > > Rip the DVD, then use something like VirtualDub to slow down
> > > the frame rate of the video. The
> >
> > Without funky jerkiness? IE, better than what you Hollywood+
> > can do?
>
> Well, yeah, no jerkiness at all, cause you'd just be slowing it
> down, playing the exact same frames, but at a rate of 23.976 per
> second instead of 25. (Don't forget the whole reason the
> PAL-speedup issue exists in the first place is that it's simply
> the easiest way to play 24fps material as 25fps PAL without any
> jerkiness, just speed it up to 25fps. What i'm proposing is
> simply to reverse the process by slowing the 25fps PAL DVD back
> down to its original 24, sorry 23.976 frame rate).
OK, me gets it. Ain't software grand? Thing is, I know next to nothing
at all about PC video editing possiblities and the software that exists
for it, mainly because, well, I don't have any video material I've ever
been tempted to do anything with.
> The H+ plays
> NTSC as PAL and v.v. _without_ changing the speed, so then you
> get jerkiness as 24 original frames are output as 25 PAL ones or
> whatever (to do this, it simply repeats 1 frame per second, hence
> jerkiness).
So the sound issue isn't fixed, then? What's the point?
> > Fair enough. I'm guessing the adio/Video synch would have to
> > be done quite carefully. Watch the decimal places exactly,
> > boy's 'n girls. No big funny rounding here ;o)
>
> Hmm, you'd just have to make sure you slowed it down by exactly
> the right amount, 23.976/25 = 0.95904, so 95.904% of its original
> speed is what you want. Then it should fit back exactly on top of
> your slowed down video.
Yep.
Mattia
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