Doomed [spoilers]
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Ok, so the moment we've been waiting for has passed. Net5 has resumed
airing of Buffy's not-so-good-as-the-seasons-before-it-season [tm], aka
season 4. Even though it was, perhaps, hard to notice after all the time
that has passed between tonights airing of Doomed and the last airing
before the break of Hush, this episode picked up right where Hush left
off: The discovery of the secret identeties. After a long silence
(c'mon, didn't they get enough, with the whole not being able to speak
thing) they reveal the truths of each others secret identeties to each
other. An important moment in the whole Riley/Initiative storyline. Now
if only it was more like the Faith or Angelus story lines, but I won't
go into that again ;-)
Btw, amyone notice Giles' voice at the beginning of this ep? Was it just
me or did that almost sound like a voice over? did ASH have a cold or
something??
Anyways, the town goes right into one of it's trademark helmouth opening
earthquakes (which reminds me, why was the hellmouth opening allready
then? Must be some powerfull demons. Also, where was the hellmouth
demon??). Anyways this episode happens right after the events in Hush. I
mean, deal with the disaster rate of this town!
As I see it, the whole 'End of the world, again' scenario was only a
background story to what this ep was all about: The nature of the
Buffy/Riley relationship. Now, we've all grown to like good ol' Iowa
bread Riley. I mean, he saved willow, punched out Parker and he's an all
around nice guy. Reminds me a bit of Dawson (Dawson's Creek) and Clark
Kent (Superman). But, either like or unlike those characters, according
to personal taste, Riley remains bo-ring. Which is weird. I mean, Demon
hunting soldier boy should spell interesting, right? I'm over the fact
that he's not Angel, I'm even ready for new Buffy/other guy
relationshippy thing, just not with the BoreMeister [tm]. Also, is
anyone else getting the feeling that he's rebound guy? Riley's all Buffy
this and Buffy that, while Buffy is sorta pushing the guy away. Partly
because of her insecurities about her life and her destiny, but partly
because of Angel as well methinks. Okay, so she's accepted they can't be
together (as most Buffy fans have), but she's not liking it (not unlike
the aforementioned group). She's mentioned Angel (not in so many words
of course) a few times to Riley, so obviously she's still trying to
deal. And what better way to do that than to get it on with the
Anti-Angel [tm]?
Also, we saw some development in Spike this ep. He can fight demons.
Yay! Expect to see more of this is future eps...
Anyways, still not feeling entirely at ease with this whole spike issue,
and it once again points out one of the difficulties with this season. I
mean, the chip in head thing was allready stretching credibility
(science in a mythological show doesn't really work, imho), but now the
killing demons is fine thing is overdoing it. I mean, talking from
within the Buffyverse: How the hell is the chip able to tell if Spike's
hurting a demon or not?? It can't be that its spikes brain thats making
the difference, I mean he was all ready and stuffs to feel the pain. Now
if this were a spell, I'd be able to accept it. Supernatural spells, as
we all know, can have weirdish restrictions. But this isn't a spell,
it's a chip....
Also, it was funny, yet sad to see the Big Bad brought back to the
helpless form in which he was at the start of this ep. I mean, trying to
off himself...sheesh!! So what happened, lets give spike the power to
hurt and kill demons! The ultimate plot ploy. But too easely recognised
as such.......
Now, I've not seen many positive things about this ep. Granted, it can't
be compared with Hush and the fact that it follows that ep can't help
its status. Its no 'Beer Bad' either though...
All in all a fun, story arc ep. Unfortunatly the ep can only be as good
than the story arc behind it, and the whole Initiative/Riley thing
doesn't really push my buttons.....
So, in conclusion: A nice character building ep, fun backstory, boring
arc. I give it a 7/10......
See Ya,
George
Fuzzy
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<SNIP>
>
>As I see it, the whole 'End of the world, again' scenario was only a
>background story to what this ep was all about: The nature of the
>Buffy/Riley relationship.
Just like in "The Zeppo" where there also were a couple of demons who
tried to open the hellmouth. Then it was a background for a Xander
story.
So how come the Zeppo was so much better than this ep? In "The Zeppo"
you get the feeling of real genuine danger. People are afraid and
depressed because of the danger. Here Willow cares more about Percy
calling her a nerd (a fact she was proud of in S1, I seem to
remember), Xander likes it better to bicker with Spike than to save
the world, Giles seems to have lost his knack for research and Buffy
is wallowing in selfpity again. The gang's reaction to Giles'
anouncement that the world was going to end wasn't "Oh my God!!", but
"Again?". That just about sums up S4 for me.
Ok, enough digression, back to the review:
I don't mind Riley all that much. Maybe it's because I never liked
Angel all that much when he was still in Sunnydale (though I did like
Angelus) so Riley doesn't come out bad when you compare them IMHO.
Definately. And didn't Spike fight demons in "Something Blue"? How
come he didn't notice then that he was able to hit them?
>Now, I've not seen many positive things about this ep. Granted, it
can't
>be compared with Hush and the fact that it follows that ep can't help
>its status. Its no 'Beer Bad' either though...
>
>All in all a fun, story arc ep. Unfortunatly the ep can only be as
good
>than the story arc behind it, and the whole Initiative/Riley thing
>doesn't really push my buttons.....
>
>So, in conclusion: A nice character building ep, fun backstory,
boring
>arc. I give it a 7/10......
I'd go for the 6.5 normaly: To much fun and to little drama in an ep
that could certainly use a dose of the latter. It's been a long while
since I saw a new ep though and i really enjoyed it, so I'll go for
the 7.5 for now. Let's see if that holds up after a rewatch.
Sierk
george van hal
Fuzzy wrote:
Errmmm <scratches throath>...You sure you want me to start this again ;-)?
I thought everyone was clear how I felt about The Zeppo. Anyways the short
version: Didn't like the Zeppo story wise. Liked it ep wise though. I *do*
however completly disgree with what you've said below (the stuff I snipped
;-)) that there was a feeling of genuine danger in there. The Zeppo was a
spoof of Buffy as a show. It was a weirdish comedy. Nothing even a bit
serious about it. As such, no feeling of danger either. In fact, the bored
reactions to the end of the world, even though they were a bit weird
(albeit funny), seemed more realistic than the reactions in The
Zeppo.......
<SNIP>
> I don't mind Riley all that much. Maybe it's because I never liked
> Angel all that much when he was still in Sunnydale (though I did like
> Angelus) so Riley doesn't come out bad when you compare them IMHO.
But now really compare them story wise. Compare star crossed lovers to
corn fed Iowa boy seeks decent girlfriend to raise an army of nice,
"speaking with two words" brady-bunch-alikes. Tell me which one was better
;-)
(Ok, so I find Riley a bit boring. Sue me ;-))
[Spike fights demons]
> Definately. And didn't Spike fight demons in "Something Blue"? How
> come he didn't notice then that he was able to hit them?
Hmm..indeed. Now *thats* weird, and kinda calls for a rewatch. I'm sure
someones doing just that atm ;-)
I'm too lazy.
<crowd> Too lazy to rewatch buffy??????
Yep. I'm just *that* lazy (well now anyways. My rewatch ratio of Buffy eps
proofs its not allways the case...)
[rating the ep. I gave it a 7/10]
> I'd go for the 6.5 normaly: To much fun and to little drama in an ep
> that could certainly use a dose of the latter. It's been a long while
> since I saw a new ep though and i really enjoyed it, so I'll go for
> the 7.5 for now. Let's see if that holds up after a rewatch.
Trust me, after a rewatch you'll reach for the "7" flat ;-))
See Ya,
George
LazyMeister [tm]
Fuzzy
george van hal wrote in message <39B2AE36...@wxs.nl>...
I agree that the storyline played second fiddle to the Xander-story
and therefor it was obvious to us watchers that there was no danger to
the characters. But the characters themselves acted really (and
believably) scared, much more believeble than in this ep, IMHO.
Yay! disagreement!
>
><SNIP>
>
>> I don't mind Riley all that much. Maybe it's because I never liked
>> Angel all that much when he was still in Sunnydale (though I did
like
>> Angelus) so Riley doesn't come out bad when you compare them IMHO.
>
>But now really compare them story wise. Compare star crossed lovers
to
>corn fed Iowa boy seeks decent girlfriend to raise an army of nice,
>"speaking with two words" brady-bunch-alikes. Tell me which one was
better
>;-)
>(Ok, so I find Riley a bit boring. Sue me ;-))
Well now that's an unfair comparison! Angel had three seasons in which
to bond with Buffy. Riley only has had half a season so far. Actually
only a quarter of a season, since he didn't know he was in love with
Buffy until "The Initiative".
>[Spike fights demons]
>
>> Definately. And didn't Spike fight demons in "Something Blue"? How
>> come he didn't notice then that he was able to hit them?
>
>Hmm..indeed. Now *thats* weird, and kinda calls for a rewatch. I'm
sure
>someones doing just that atm ;-)
>I'm too lazy.
>
><crowd> Too lazy to rewatch buffy??????
>
>Yep. I'm just *that* lazy (well now anyways. My rewatch ratio of
Buffy eps
>proofs its not allways the case...)
I'm currently rewatching all ep's with a friend of mine, who I got
hooked on the show. I expect we'll get to SB in a few weeks...
(Yes, I'm lazy too:)
>
>[rating the ep. I gave it a 7/10]
>
>> I'd go for the 6.5 normaly: To much fun and to little drama in an
ep
>> that could certainly use a dose of the latter. It's been a long
while
>> since I saw a new ep though and i really enjoyed it, so I'll go for
>> the 7.5 for now. Let's see if that holds up after a rewatch.
>
>Trust me, after a rewatch you'll reach for the "7" flat ;-))
I'll take your word for it :)
Sierk
Jonathan Black
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Well, I don't really feel like posting anything, but I guess I'd
better chip in. The episode sucked ass. Disappointing doesn't
even cover it. I didn't like it at all. It was a boring, bland
pile of stinking medocrity. It wasn't even funny where it tried
to be. The "new" Spike just makes me wanna stake myself. Remind
me again why they're refraining from killing him? At first there
was this thing that they were keeping him 'cause he had info on
the initiative blah blah blah, but that doesn't really hold up
any more. I find the whole thing seriously lacking credibility
now. As for the ep itself, nothing happened, it was boring. Oh
yeah, the world nearly ended, well shock me. The rest was Buffy
and Riley talking about nothing. I remember reacting to S4 eps
like this before, load of negativity at first, not seeing the
light until after a rewatch (and some reading of some positivity,
glass-half-full posts by the likes of Mattia). I can't imagine a
rewatch helping this one, but who knows. I guess I'll try it in a
couple of days. For now, my score is, I dunno, 4/10?
george van hal wrote:
> Btw, amyone notice Giles' voice at the beginning of this ep?
> Was it just me or did that almost sound like a voice over? did
> ASH have a cold or something??
Yep, I thought the same thing. Sounded like he had a cold.
Bye :(
--
J o N a T H a N
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> Ok, so the moment we've been waiting for has passed.
Hooray.(time to buy more of those expensive Svhs tapes, I need more money)
> Net5 has resumed
> airing of Buffy's not-so-good-as-the-seasons-before-it-season [tm], aka
> season 4. Even though it was, perhaps, hard to notice after all the time
> that has passed between tonights airing of Doomed and the last airing
> before the break of Hush, this episode picked up right where Hush left
> off: The discovery of the secret identeties. After a long silence
> (c'mon, didn't they get enough, with the whole not being able to speak
> thing) they reveal the truths of each others secret identeties to each
> other. An important moment in the whole Riley/Initiative storyline. Now
> if only it was more like the Faith or Angelus story lines, but I won't
> go into that again ;-)
thanks :ož :o)
> Btw, amyone notice Giles' voice at the beginning of this ep?
you are very perceptive, I didn`t notice, but after doing a rewind on my VCR
and watching again, I did notice.
>Was it just
> me or did that almost sound like a voice over?
yep it did.
> did ASH have a cold or
> something??
Or were the secrets he spoke so secret that some conspiracy group used their
influence
to cut them out and use a voiceover to,......(sorry, to much alt.conspiracy
:o) )
> Anyways, the town goes right into one of it's trademark helmouth opening
> earthquakes (which reminds me, why was the hellmouth opening allready
> then? Must be some powerfull demons. Also, where was the hellmouth
> demon??).
yep they are :o), unfortunately not much indept research , bummer.I like it
when they dig in deep.
> Anyways this episode happens right after the events in Hush. I
> mean, deal with the disaster rate of this town!
>
> As I see it, the whole 'End of the world, again' scenario was only a
> background story to what this ep was all about:
Unfortenately, I mean, Horus eye(some call it Ra`s eye)Some more
research would have been nice, some masonic stuff thrown into it(dollar
bill)
would have been spicey,But then , they are just amateurs. :o)
> The nature of the
> Buffy/Riley relationship.
Totally jeaulous now, this will destract me from the storyline , Hmmm just
have to use better deamons to detract her more. :o)
> Now, we've all grown to like good ol' Iowa
> bread Riley. I mean, he saved willow, punched out Parker and he's an all
> around nice guy.
think again. :o) I don`t like it one bit. :o)
> Reminds me a bit of Dawson (Dawson's Creek) and Clark
> Kent (Superman). But, either like or unlike those characters, according
> to personal taste, Riley remains bo-ring. Which is weird. I mean, Demon
> hunting soldier boy should spell interesting, right?
It spells goody two shoes.:o)
> I'm over the fact
> that he's not Angel, I'm even ready for new Buffy/other guy
> relationshippy thing, just not with the BoreMeister [tm].
hey , another one, do you want to break my heart? :o)
> Also, is
> anyone else getting the feeling that he's rebound guy? Riley's all Buffy
> this and Buffy that, while Buffy is sorta pushing the guy away. Partly
> because of her insecurities about her life and her destiny, but partly
> because of Angel as well methinks.
Or she`s just afraid to get hurt again.
> Okay, so she's accepted they can't be
> together (as most Buffy fans have),
I can`t hear you, I can`t hear you. (he said while plugging his ears with
his fingers.:o) )
> but she's not liking it (not unlike
> the aforementioned group). She's mentioned Angel (not in so many words
> of course) a few times to Riley, so obviously she's still trying to
> deal. And what better way to do that than to get it on with the
> Anti-Angel [tm]?
> Also, we saw some development in Spike this ep. He can fight demons.
> Yay! Expect to see more of this is future eps...
Hmm an angel against his will, but liking it, maybe faith style.
> Anyways, still not feeling entirely at ease with this whole spike issue,
> and it once again points out one of the difficulties with this season. I
> mean, the chip in head thing was allready stretching credibility
> (science in a mythological show doesn't really work, imho), but now the
> killing demons is fine thing is overdoing it. I mean, talking from
> within the Buffyverse: How the hell is the chip able to tell if Spike's
> hurting a demon or not??
if spike knows, the chip knows?
>It can't be that its spikes brain thats making
> the difference, I mean he was all ready and stuffs to feel the pain. Now
> if this were a spell, I'd be able to accept it. Supernatural spells, as
> we all know, can have weirdish restrictions. But this isn't a spell,
> it's a chip....
Is their a spell embedded in the chip? Who knows. :o)
> Also, it was funny, yet sad to see the Big Bad brought back to the
> helpless form in which he was at the start of this ep. I mean, trying to
> off himself...sheesh!! So what happened, lets give spike the power to
> hurt and kill demons! The ultimate plot ploy. But too easely recognised
> as such.......
hooray, now your talking.
> Now, I've not seen many positive things about this ep. Granted, it can't
> be compared with Hush and the fact that it follows that ep can't help
> its status. Its no 'Beer Bad' either though...
Hey,..... I liked that one, it almost reached my level of intelligence. :o)
> All in all a fun, story arc ep. Unfortunatly the ep can only be as good
> than the story arc behind it, and the whole Initiative/Riley thing
> doesn't really push my buttons.....
Not well researched, no indept demonology, Too little symbolism or/and
magick.more a bad lovestory we see enough of in the many soaps also starting
again.
And these are more horrific than any buffy episode.
Even thinking of those give me goose bumps. :o)
> So, in conclusion: A nice character building ep, fun backstory, boring
> arc. I give it a 7/10......
no sorry, not even that.Nice symbol though, the word of valios. :o)
And I was also very upset that the end of the world wasn`t happening.
The same bad feeling I had when the year 2000 started, nothing happened,
bummer. :o)
> See Ya,
> George
greetings ankhor
O+-3~
)O+->
george van hal
Jonathan Black wrote:
Oh boy......
> Disappointing doesn't
> even cover it.
Oh, man.....
Mattia, you want to help me out here with your trademark optimism??
> I didn't like it at all. It was a boring, bland
> pile of stinking medocrity.
Yep. Mediocre, definatly. But Mediocre in Buffy terms. Which isn't
really that bad in the grand scheme of things.....
> It wasn't even funny where it tried
> to be. The "new" Spike just makes me wanna stake myself. Remind
> me again why they're refraining from killing him? At first there
> was this thing that they were keeping him 'cause he had info on
> the initiative blah blah blah, but that doesn't really hold up
> any more. I find the whole thing seriously lacking credibility
> now.
I agree completly. The "we are good, so won't kill spike" thing doesn't
hold up. I mean, if its moraly incorrect to kill a vampire (without a
soul, I might add), even one so cool as Spike, than why hasn't Buffy
gotten more moral problems??? Its just a cheap trick to give us more
spike. Now I definatly *don't* object to more spike, but at least make
it more believable......
> As for the ep itself, nothing happened, it was boring. Oh
> yeah, the world nearly ended, well shock me.
Yep. That was really sort of in the background and uninteresting. Also
not handled very well......
> The rest was Buffy
> and Riley talking about nothing. I remember reacting to S4 eps
> like this before, load of negativity at first, not seeing the
> light until after a rewatch (and some reading of some positivity,
> glass-half-full posts by the likes of Mattia).
Yep. s4 really is a different thing. Buffy has become a different show.
Read an article in Cult Times last week about this. Said (I'm rephrasing
here:) Buffy's fourth season is very very different from the previous
three. Still it's a good show, but its not guaranteed to please the
early Buffy fans. Buffy's a whole new show. I agree, it really is. Lots
of changes which we seem to agree we don't like. This ep was almost a
trademark s4 ep. Now, what I'm trying to do now is not comparing s4 to
the last few seasons, because when that is done almost every ep "sucks
ass" except WaH and, possibly, Hush. When looking at s4 like "a new
show" this ep comes off like fairly decent. Its however, not even very
good in this seasons standards. Which says it all basically.......
And then of course there's boring Riler. But I've said that before,
tonight ;-)
> I can't imagine a
> rewatch helping this one, but who knows. I guess I'll try it in a
> couple of days. For now, my score is, I dunno, 4/10?
Yep. Do rewatch. I think that grade'll go up ;-))
> george van hal wrote:
> > Btw, amyone notice Giles' voice at the beginning of this ep?
> > Was it just me or did that almost sound like a voice over? did
> > ASH have a cold or something??
>
> Yep, I thought the same thing. Sounded like he had a cold.
>
> Bye :(
Than we all noticed....
See Ya,
George
Fighting that depression after reading this....
P@rick
> I thought everyone was clear how I felt about The Zeppo. Anyways the short
> version: Didn't like the Zeppo story wise. Liked it ep wise though. I *do*
> however completly disgree with what you've said below (the stuff I snipped
No way! There was a *genuine* feeling of end-of-the-world fear in the Zeppo.
That contrasted so beautifully with the funny storyline in that ep.
/ The Zeppo was a
> spoof of Buffy as a show. It was a weirdish comedy. Nothing even a bit
> serious about it. As such, no feeling of danger either. In fact, the bored
> reactions to the end of the world, even though they were a bit weird
> (albeit funny), seemed more realistic than the reactions in The
> Zeppo.......
I really disagree. Quite the opposite for me. But then, I admit that you
either get the greatness of the Zeppo or you don't (no offense of course).
Bye, Patrick
loves The Zeppo
P@rick
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[he really doesn't like this ep]
Whoa!! The negative atmosphere of this ep really got to you, didn't it? I
agree that it wasn't great. But I wouldn't want to go as far as 'suck ass'.
And there were some really funny moments in it IMO.
> to be. The "new" Spike just makes me wanna stake myself. Remind
> me again why they're refraining from killing him? At first there
> was this thing that they were keeping him 'cause he had info on
> the initiative blah blah blah, but that doesn't really hold up
> any more. I find the whole thing seriously lacking credibility
> now.
Good point. Maybe they are still trying to get more info out of him. Or he
has been around long enough already for the Scoobies not wanting to dust
him. I think the writers are on to your critique. Now they've given him the
ability to kick demon ass. So now he has some purpose to the Scoobies.
Bye,Patrick
Mattia Valente
Yikes indeed....After my third rewatch, I've kind of sobered towards
your direction (really! I was more optimistic before..) Its not the
worst ep I've seen (Go Fish, Badd eggs, to name a few, are worse.) but
its one of the worst S4 eps (I'm the weirdo who found some
entertainement value in Beer Bad. They're about even ;-)
> even cover it. I didn't like it at all. It was a boring, bland
> pile of stinking medocrity. It wasn't even funny where it tried
> to be. The "new" Spike just makes me wanna stake myself.
More yikes.
OK, I disagree here. As an ep, its quite bad, stupid storyline, waaay to
much of Borely and Buffy talking about, well, how gosh darn depressing
her life is (whinge and whine, that sort of thing..) There are funny
bits in it though. Spike is funny on several occasions, although
sometimes it gets a little over the top. His fake american accent is
great, as is his little 'groupies' speech with the tagged on smirk. Oh,
and 'Lilac 1' as a code name cracked me up (they didn't translate that
one at all well...it could be I'm colorblind and thought it funny
because of that.)
Still, old Spike is better, and not quite gone (see smirk..lovely
detail.) Want him de-chipped though..Riley was only funny becasue he's
an idiotic klutz, and only marginally so. I for one was amused by the
'Again' line after the end of the world reference, although it doesn't
really fit in with the rest of the ep. Standalone, its good.
> Remind
> me again why they're refraining from killing him? At first there
> was this thing that they were keeping him 'cause he had info on
> the initiative blah blah blah, but that doesn't really hold up
> any more. I find the whole thing seriously lacking credibility
> now.
I really don't know. Its quite bizzarre, mainly keeping him alive
because, well, he's a cool character (most of the time..or was, at
least.) and not for any other good reason. The sensible thing to do
would be stake him and leave it all at that. Either that, or do some
vivisection to figure out what the Initiative folks did to him ;-P
> As for the ep itself, nothing happened, it was boring. Oh
> yeah, the world nearly ended, well shock me. The rest was Buffy
Right. I took it tounge in cheek, although they tried to gloomy up the
atmosphere, which was at odds with the idiocy of the situatin. Works
sometimes, not this time. Sorry.
> and Riley talking about nothing. I remember reacting to S4 eps
> like this before, load of negativity at first, not seeing the
> light until after a rewatch (and some reading of some positivity,
> glass-half-full posts by the likes of Mattia).
Well, I'm still a lot more optimistic than you are, but this is
definately the bottom of the pile where S4 is concerned (I'm not
helping, am I?) There is some good, not very much though. I had been
told the ep was absolutely horrible, teerible, atrocious, so when I
watched it, I thought "Hmm. Its not THAT bad..." and it isn't, IMHO.
Give it another shot, and lets hope Angel is better..
> I can't imagine a
> rewatch helping this one, but who knows. I guess I'll try it in a
> couple of days. For now, my score is, I dunno, 4/10?
I'm not gonna give it a final score. Too unsure. About a 5/10 atm.
> george van hal wrote:
> > Btw, amyone notice Giles' voice at the beginning of this ep?
> > Was it just me or did that almost sound like a voice over? did
> > ASH have a cold or something??
>
> Yep, I thought the same thing. Sounded like he had a cold.
Indeed.
> Bye :(
Cheer up! Can't get much worse than this, can it?
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> happening. The same bad feeling I had when the year 2000
> started, nothing happened, bummer. :o)
Coincidentally, `Doomed' was in fact the first episode to air in
the year 2000 :) What a way to start the millennium... that
*would* have been, good thing it doesn't start until 2001.
;-)
--
J o N a T H a N
Scully: "Mulder, those people, even when they were alive, mangled
biblical prophecy to the extent that it's
unrecognizable. The year 2000 is just their artificial
deadline and besides, *2001* is actually the start of
the new millennium."
Mulder: "Nobody likes a math geek, Scully."
--`Millennium'
The X-Files
Mattia Valente
Well, it kicked off our new vieweing season rather poorly, I should
say...Starting with 'Hush' would have been a lot more impressive.
Something Blue would still have been 'going out with a bang' IMO..
> that
> *would* have been, good thing it doesn't start until 2001.
:-p
> Scully: "Mulder, those people, even when they were alive, mangled
> biblical prophecy to the extent that it's
> unrecognizable. The year 2000 is just their artificial
> deadline and besides, *2001* is actually the start of
> the new millennium."
> Mulder: "Nobody likes a math geek, Scully."
> --`Millennium'
> The X-Files
Damn...gotta watch more X-Files. Love the quote (and the show..)
Mattia
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Andrea
george said:
Oh, but I will. <eg>
I agree that there's some sort of Riley/Initiative story line, but what
irritates me is that it's not what I'd call an interesting plot line. In
fact, it's boring. Things are interesting as long as we have unanswered
questions. Like "Who *are* the Iniative? What drives them? What do they do?"
And, indeed, all those questions have already been answered.
And Riley... argh. Did I say 'Wesley Crusher'? Can anybody be that perfect?
He's good-looking (but not my type), he's intelligent, he's sweet and brave
and the only way I'm ever gonna like him is when he'd turn bad. Or vamp. Or
both.
>
> As I see it, the whole 'End of the world, again' scenario was only a
> background story to what this ep was all about: The nature of the
> Buffy/Riley relationship. Now, we've all grown to like good ol' Iowa
> bread Riley.
I do hope you're trying to be funny. :)
I mean, he saved willow, punched out Parker and he's an all
> around nice guy. Reminds me a bit of Dawson (Dawson's Creek)
Nah. Dawson is sweet and everything, but he's capable of doing stupid
human-like things. He's not perfect, which is a good thing.
and Clark
> Kent (Superman).
Ah! Riley is Superman! Somebody hand me the cryptonite or whatever!
But, either like or unlike those characters, according
> to personal taste, Riley remains bo-ring.
Ah. We agree. :)))
Which is weird. I mean, Demon
> hunting soldier boy should spell interesting, right? I'm over the fact
> that he's not Angel, I'm even ready for new Buffy/other guy
> relationshippy thing, just not with the BoreMeister [tm]. Also, is
> anyone else getting the feeling that he's rebound guy? Riley's all Buffy
> this and Buffy that, while Buffy is sorta pushing the guy away. Partly
> because of her insecurities about her life and her destiny, but partly
> because of Angel as well methinks. Okay, so she's accepted they can't be
> together (as most Buffy fans have), but she's not liking it (not unlike
> the aforementioned group). She's mentioned Angel (not in so many words
> of course) a few times to Riley, so obviously she's still trying to
> deal. And what better way to do that than to get it on with the
> Anti-Angel [tm]?
Hm. Good point. Still, I don't buy the Riley issue. :)
>
> Also, we saw some development in Spike this ep. He can fight demons.
> Yay! Expect to see more of this is future eps...
Hm. Nope. I've sort of given up on Spike. In a perfect world, Spike would
have succeeded in dusting himself, and we would have cherished the memories.
As it is, we have Pikachu when we used to have Charizard.
Um. :)
> Anyways, still not feeling entirely at ease with this whole spike issue,
> and it once again points out one of the difficulties with this season. I
> mean, the chip in head thing was allready stretching credibility
> (science in a mythological show doesn't really work, imho), but now the
> killing demons is fine thing is overdoing it. I mean, talking from
> within the Buffyverse: How the hell is the chip able to tell if Spike's
> hurting a demon or not?? It can't be that its spikes brain thats making
> the difference, I mean he was all ready and stuffs to feel the pain. Now
> if this were a spell, I'd be able to accept it. Supernatural spells, as
> we all know, can have weirdish restrictions. But this isn't a spell,
> it's a chip....
<nods> All very true.
> Also, it was funny, yet sad to see the Big Bad brought back to the
> helpless form in which he was at the start of this ep. I mean, trying to
> off himself...sheesh!! So what happened, lets give spike the power to
> hurt and kill demons! The ultimate plot ploy. But too easely recognised
> as such.......
>
> Now, I've not seen many positive things about this ep.
Me2. Something I found *really* annoying was Buffy hiding the truth about
Riley from Giles. *WHY*? The only reason I can come up with is that it's
necessary for Giles not to know about Riley's hobbies because of some future
pitiful excuse for a plot.
Granted, it can't
> be compared with Hush and the fact that it follows that ep can't help
> its status. Its no 'Beer Bad' either though...
Okay, in fact, it was kind of 'entertaining'. But I don't want entertaining,
I want surprise and edge-of-seat stuff, and tears burning en nails digging
in my palms and well, I want the old Bufffy feeling back. <sniff>
>
> All in all a fun, story arc ep. Unfortunatly the ep can only be as good
> than the story arc behind it, and the whole Initiative/Riley thing
> doesn't really push my buttons.....
>
> So, in conclusion: A nice character building ep, fun backstory, boring
> arc. I give it a 7/10......
6/10.
Andrea :)
Mattia Valente
> Okay. Here goes.
Yay!! She decided to show! ;-)
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> I agree that there's some sort of Riley/Initiative story line, but what
> irritates me is that it's not what I'd call an interesting plot line. In
> fact, it's boring. Things are interesting as long as we have unanswered
> questions. Like "Who *are* the Iniative? What drives them? What do they do?"
> And, indeed, all those questions have already been answered.
More or less. It could still get interesting, in the sense that they
have yet to discover Buffy's identity (the resot of the initiative) and
we still don't know why they're doing it, who's funding them, those
kinds of things. Expensive little setup they have down there...
> And Riley... argh. Did I say 'Wesley Crusher'? Can anybody be that perfect?
Well, Almost. You can also refer to him as the BoringMeister[tm] if you
wish, I don't think anyone here will complain.
> He's good-looking (but not my type), he's intelligent, he's sweet and brave
> and the only way I'm ever gonna like him is when he'd turn bad. Or vamp. Or
> both.
Right on! Want to know a secret about Riley? Like, what'll happen to
him? Or not? I could tell you.....:-)
> > As I see it, the whole 'End of the world, again' scenario was only a
> > background story to what this ep was all about: The nature of the
> > Buffy/Riley relationship. Now, we've all grown to like good ol' Iowa
> > bread Riley.
>
> I do hope you're trying to be funny. :)
It's a pretty safe bet, I'd say.
> > I mean, he saved willow, punched out Parker and he's an all
> > around nice guy. Reminds me a bit of Dawson (Dawson's Creek)
>
> Nah. Dawson is sweet and everything, but he's capable of doing stupid
> human-like things. He's not perfect, which is a good thing.
He's a bit of a fool and has chump-like characterstics (Dawson, that
is..) I think punching out Parker was the only endearing thing he's done
lately..Oh, and Andrea? You watch DC? Roswell too?
> > and Clark Kent (Superman).
>
> Ah! Riley is Superman! Somebody hand me the cryptonite or whatever!
Nah, Riley's not Superman. He's one big bruise, remember? And Buffy beat
him up once, or near as, already...wonder if he's figured out it was her
that time in the dark (you know, the big, tall strong guy ;-) I'm
guessing not, since he didn't recognize Spike (yet? That could get
interesting..)
> > But, either like or unlike those characters, according
> > to personal taste, Riley remains bo-ring.
>
> Ah. We agree. :)))
Yay!
> > deal. And what better way to do that than to get it on with the
> > Anti-Angel [tm]?
>
> Hm. Good point. Still, I don't buy the Riley issue. :)
Right.
> > Also, we saw some development in Spike this ep. He can fight demons.
> > Yay! Expect to see more of this is future eps...
>
> Hm. Nope. I've sort of given up on Spike. In a perfect world, Spike would
> have succeeded in dusting himself, and we would have cherished the memories.
Well, sort of. I'm hoping he'll get dechipped eventually, but he's
redeveloping his mean streak (its showing again) and I hope it'll go on
from there. However, I don't really dislike the new Spike that
feverently. He's just not as fun as the old Spike (on which James
Marsters agrees, it seems ;-)
> As it is, we have Pikachu when we used to have Charizard.
Right...that like, meant absolutely nothing to me. Zero.
> Um. :)
;-)
> > Also, it was funny, yet sad to see the Big Bad brought back to the
> > helpless form in which he was at the start of this ep. I mean, trying to
> > off himself...sheesh!! So what happened, lets give spike the power to
> > hurt and kill demons! The ultimate plot ploy. But too easely recognised
> > as such.......
Well, i kond of saw that one coming miles off, to be honest. Otherwise
he would have been way too useless to stick around at all.
> > Now, I've not seen many positive things about this ep.
>
> Me2. Something I found *really* annoying was Buffy hiding the truth about
> Riley from Giles. *WHY*? The only reason I can come up with is that it's
> necessary for Giles not to know about Riley's hobbies because of some future
> pitiful excuse for a plot.
Right. But I'm pretty much guessing he's bound to know it now, since,
well, Willow, Xander and Spike all know who he is and what he does, and
I'm not sure Buffy can come up with a good excuse to make them all shut
up. If they do, I'll be a little annoyed though, for sure. Also, hiding
things from Giles is useless, which she should have learned by now,
methinks.
> Okay, in fact, it was kind of 'entertaining'. But I don't want entertaining,
> I want surprise and edge-of-seat stuff, and tears burning en nails digging
> in my palms and well, I want the old Bufffy feeling back. <sniff>
I hear you...
> 6/10.
Fair enough..
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> irritates me is that it's not what I'd call an interesting plot line. In
> fact, it's boring. Things are interesting as long as we have unanswered
> questions. Like "Who *are* the Iniative? What drives them? What do they
do?"
Personally I don't like all that high tech demon hunting stuff. Sometimes
the issue was raised in Buffy NGs whether the government knew about the
supernatural activities in Sunnydale and if yes, why don't they do something
about it. Well, here's your answer (assuming the Initiative is government
funded). This is the first time we see people react to all those demons and
vampires living in their neighbourhood, instead of rationalizing them away.
Which in itself is interesting. Of course they use a scientific approach,
since academic professors such as Walsh are involved. And of course they
need some military approach to be able to capture the creatures. It could be
interesting to see how people fare when they don't use the traditional
'research and slay' method. But what annoys me mostly in the Initiative is
that they all seem so used to the demonic creatures. They actually seem to
think of them as animals instead of supernatural beings. This actually
explains why Walsh referred to Oz and Veruca as dogs instead of
(were)wolves. They actually don't seem to know any better. I think this is a
bit too scientific an approach. They never seem to wonder whether the
existance of this creatures might mean there's more between heaven and earth
than we realise. They just think of them as anomalies and freaks of nature.
And that takes the mystical aspect away, which we all love in Buffy.
(wow, long ramble)
> And Riley... argh. Did I say 'Wesley Crusher'? Can anybody be that
perfect?
> He's good-looking (but not my type), he's intelligent, he's sweet and
brave
> and the only way I'm ever gonna like him is when he'd turn bad. Or vamp.
Or
> both.
He's boring. But I think that the writers wanted it that way. Buffy's new
lover should be as plain as possible, as big a contrast with Angel as
possible, and that spells Riley unfortunately. They thought it would be
great if this plain guy would have a big secret. And it would, if that big
secret wouldn't turn out to be as dull as he is.
> > Also, we saw some development in Spike this ep. He can fight demons.
> > Yay! Expect to see more of this is future eps...
>
> Hm. Nope. I've sort of given up on Spike. In a perfect world, Spike would
> have succeeded in dusting himself, and we would have cherished the
memories.
> As it is, we have Pikachu when we used to have Charizard.
Those are Japanese dishes you were talking about, aren't they? Anyway,
Spike's implant and his consequential impotence are funny for a while. But
after some time you start wondering what's the use of having him around.
Except for being the funny guy, which he is but that's not a good excuse in
the Buffyverse. And he isn't exactly the roommate from heaven. Now Spike has
discovered his ability to kick demon ass, he can be of some use again. But
Spike as one of the Scoobies? Hope they're not going down *that* road.
> Me2. Something I found *really* annoying was Buffy hiding the truth about
> Riley from Giles. *WHY*? The only reason I can come up with is that it's
> necessary for Giles not to know about Riley's hobbies because of some
future
> pitiful excuse for a plot.
Maybe she had to deal with it herself first? I can't imagine she would keep
it a secret for ever. Not after her Angel secret in S3.
> Okay, in fact, it was kind of 'entertaining'. But I don't want
entertaining,
> I want surprise and edge-of-seat stuff, and tears burning en nails digging
> in my palms and well, I want the old Bufffy feeling back. <sniff>
Darn tootin'!!
Bye, Patrick
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posting difficulties, but I'll say this: at first it was great to see a new
Buffy, but I don't think I'll be rewatching this episode more than say 4
times (I'm a TV-holic, and 4 is a bare minimum).
Andrea
Mattia said:
<snip>
Re Spike:
>
> I really don't know. Its quite bizzarre, mainly keeping him alive
> because, well, he's a cool character (most of the time..or was, at
> least.) and not for any other good reason. The sensible thing to do
> would be stake him and leave it all at that. Either that, or do some
> vivisection to figure out what the Initiative folks did to him ;-P
<excited> Oh yes! Giles happily cutting away in an unconscious Spike, the
whole Scooby gang watching, Willow stating how much she always liked playing
Docter with Xander, and then finally Giles discovering the chip, proudly
showing it to the gang, and behind their backs, Spike waking up, bleeding,
angry, and very, *very* hungry...
Oh yes. :))
Andrea :)
Andrea
Mattia said:
> Andrea wrote:
> > Okay. Here goes.
>
> Yay!! She decided to show! ;-)
Yeah. :)
Um. Okay, but since we don't know the rest of the Initiative very well, I'd
say we're not that interested in how they'll react. Well, *I*'m not.
and
> we still don't know why they're doing it, who's funding them, those
> kinds of things. Expensive little setup they have down there...
It's a Government thing. Who cares?
>
> > And Riley... argh. Did I say 'Wesley Crusher'? Can anybody be that
perfect?
>
> Well, Almost. You can also refer to him as the BoringMeister[tm] if you
> wish, I don't think anyone here will complain.
Think I like 'Boreley' best. :))
>
> > He's good-looking (but not my type), he's intelligent, he's sweet and
brave
> > and the only way I'm ever gonna like him is when he'd turn bad. Or vamp.
Or
> > both.
>
> Right on! Want to know a secret about Riley? Like, what'll happen to
> him? Or not? I could tell you.....:-)
No, I don't want to know. Whatever it is, it can't be as perfect as what
I've got in mind.
>
> > > As I see it, the whole 'End of the world, again' scenario was only a
> > > background story to what this ep was all about: The nature of the
> > > Buffy/Riley relationship. Now, we've all grown to like good ol' Iowa
> > > bread Riley.
> >
> > I do hope you're trying to be funny. :)
>
> It's a pretty safe bet, I'd say.
>
> > > I mean, he saved willow, punched out Parker and he's an all
> > > around nice guy. Reminds me a bit of Dawson (Dawson's Creek)
> >
> > Nah. Dawson is sweet and everything, but he's capable of doing stupid
> > human-like things. He's not perfect, which is a good thing.
>
> He's a bit of a fool and has chump-like characterstics (Dawson, that
> is..) I think punching out Parker was the only endearing thing he's done
> lately..Oh, and Andrea? You watch DC?
I stopped watching after Joey and Dawson got together & broke up again, and
the whole thing became a little too soapy.
>Roswell too?
I've seen one or two eps, but I'm not impressed.
>
> > > and Clark Kent (Superman).
> >
> > Ah! Riley is Superman! Somebody hand me the cryptonite or whatever!
>
> Nah, Riley's not Superman. He's one big bruise, remember?
Okay, okay. :)
And Buffy beat
> him up once, or near as, already...wonder if he's figured out it was her
> that time in the dark (you know, the big, tall strong guy ;-) I'm
> guessing not, since he didn't recognize Spike (yet? That could get
> interesting..)
Yes, if he remembers faces that quickly, he might forget Buffy's and she'll
be so disappointed and after whining for half an ep or so, she'll be over
him, and he'll run off to Ohio and we'll never see him again.
:))
>
> > > But, either like or unlike those characters, according
> > > to personal taste, Riley remains bo-ring.
> >
> > Ah. We agree. :)))
>
> Yay!
Somehow I think 'Yay' is not a word that we should use while discussing
Riley.
>
> > > deal. And what better way to do that than to get it on with the
> > > Anti-Angel [tm]?
> >
> > Hm. Good point. Still, I don't buy the Riley issue. :)
>
> Right.
>
> > > Also, we saw some development in Spike this ep. He can fight demons.
> > > Yay! Expect to see more of this is future eps...
> >
> > Hm. Nope. I've sort of given up on Spike. In a perfect world, Spike
would
> > have succeeded in dusting himself, and we would have cherished the
memories.
>
> Well, sort of. I'm hoping he'll get dechipped eventually, but he's
> redeveloping his mean streak (its showing again) and I hope it'll go on
> from there. However, I don't really dislike the new Spike that
> feverently. He's just not as fun as the old Spike (on which James
> Marsters agrees, it seems ;-)
>
> > As it is, we have Pikachu when we used to have Charizard.
>
> Right...that like, meant absolutely nothing to me. Zero.
I know. I should stop watching Pokemon. :)
>
> > Um. :)
>
> ;-)
>
> > > Also, it was funny, yet sad to see the Big Bad brought back to the
> > > helpless form in which he was at the start of this ep. I mean, trying
to
> > > off himself...sheesh!! So what happened, lets give spike the power to
> > > hurt and kill demons! The ultimate plot ploy. But too easely
recognised
> > > as such.......
>
> Well, i kond of saw that one coming miles off, to be honest. Otherwise
> he would have been way too useless to stick around at all.
>
> > > Now, I've not seen many positive things about this ep.
> >
> > Me2. Something I found *really* annoying was Buffy hiding the truth
about
> > Riley from Giles. *WHY*? The only reason I can come up with is that it's
> > necessary for Giles not to know about Riley's hobbies because of some
future
> > pitiful excuse for a plot.
>
> Right. But I'm pretty much guessing he's bound to know it now, since,
> well, Willow, Xander and Spike all know who he is and what he does, and
> I'm not sure Buffy can come up with a good excuse to make them all shut
> up.
But *why* not tell Giles? It seems so terribly out-of-character! Since when
should Giles be kept in the dark about improtant things concerning demons
and stuff?
If they do, I'll be a little annoyed though, for sure. Also, hiding
> things from Giles is useless, which she should have learned by now,
> methinks.
>
>
> > Okay, in fact, it was kind of 'entertaining'. But I don't want
entertaining,
> > I want surprise and edge-of-seat stuff, and tears burning en nails
digging
> > in my palms and well, I want the old Bufffy feeling back. <sniff>
>
> I hear you...
It's nice to be heard. :)
>
> > 6/10.
>
> Fair enough..
Ah, what can I say, it was better than Beer Bad.
Andrea :))
Mattia Valente
> > > And Riley... argh. Did I say 'Wesley Crusher'? Can anybody be that perfect?
> >
> > Well, Almost. You can also refer to him as the BoringMeister[tm] if you
> > wish, I don't think anyone here will complain.
>
> Think I like 'Boreley' best. :))
:-)) So, that one should go on the titles list as well?
> > Right on! Want to know a secret about Riley? Like, what'll happen to
> > him? Or not? I could tell you.....:-)
>
> No, I don't want to know. Whatever it is, it can't be as perfect as what
> I've got in mind.
Well, I don't have the kind of detail's you're thinking of, I don't
think..
> > lately..Oh, and Andrea? You watch DC?
>
> I stopped watching after Joey and Dawson got together & broke up again, and
> the whole thing became a little too soapy.
Oh, you really missed out on some of the great stuff. End of S2 (I think
it was S2) was all schmalzy, verrry soap opera, but S3 (I think..George,
help me out here..) started out with a big loud bang, sharply written, a
LOT better than the big schmalzfest. Probably the best stuff to date to
be honest. OK, so its still soapy from time to time, but it got
funnier..
> >Roswell too?
>
> I've seen one or two eps, but I'm not impressed.
Oh well..which 2?
> > Nah, Riley's not Superman. He's one big bruise, remember?
>
> Okay, okay. :)
;-)
> Yes, if he remembers faces that quickly, he might forget Buffy's and she'll
> be so disappointed and after whining for half an ep or so, she'll be over
> him, and he'll run off to Ohio and we'll never see him again.
Half an ep? You ARE an optimist, aren't you?
> :))
;-)
> > Yay!
>
> Somehow I think 'Yay' is not a word that we should use while discussing
> Riley.
Not even sarcastically? An you misspelled it again. It's "Boreley"
> > > As it is, we have Pikachu when we used to have Charizard.
> >
> > Right...that like, meant absolutely nothing to me. Zero.
>
> I know. I should stop watching Pokemon. :)
Yeah. Why did you start in the first place?
> > Right. But I'm pretty much guessing he's bound to know it now, since,
> > well, Willow, Xander and Spike all know who he is and what he does, and
> > I'm not sure Buffy can come up with a good excuse to make them all shut
> > up.
>
> But *why* not tell Giles? It seems so terribly out-of-character! Since when
> should Giles be kept in the dark about improtant things concerning demons
> and stuff?
Right. She's only done it a few times before. It's just stupid, though.
You'd think she would learn eventually..
> Ah, what can I say, it was better than Beer Bad.
Nah. Beer bad had funnier lines. I still like the 'Group Sex' bit..and
the little people in the TV. hehehe...
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> Whatever. :))
Huh??? You didn't catch my Willow reference. Or did you just not find it
fitting in the context.
Bye, Patrick
Andrea
> Oh, you really missed out on some of the great stuff. End of S2 (I think
> it was S2) was all schmalzy, verrry soap opera, but S3 (I think..George,
> help me out here..) started out with a big loud bang, sharply written, a
> LOT better than the big schmalzfest. Probably the best stuff to date to
> be honest. OK, so its still soapy from time to time, but it got
> funnier..
Hm. Well, I might give it another try, then.
Andrea :)
Andrea
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> > Ah, what can I say, it was better than Beer Bad.
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> both to answer the question seriously (still only seen `Doomed'
> once), but I really don't remember being quite as disgusted by BB
> as I was this Sunday. IIRC, `Beer Bad' wasn't really that bad at
> all. I think it may just be the title that reinforces the idea
> that it is bad more than anything else. The same probably goes
> for `Bad Eggs', but then again, I could be talking crap, you
> don't know.
In Doomed, Buffy was a tad boring and Spike was humiliated. Beer Bad I found
humiliating for Buffy, and don't ask me why, but somehow, someway, that
seemed worse. Maybe because BB also showed that SMG isn't the kind of
actress I thought she was. You can hand JM a lousy script and he's still
Spike. In BB, SMG failed to portray the Buffy I know.
Andrea :)
Andrea
P@rick cried out:
> Andrea wrote:
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> > Whatever. :))
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> Huh??? You didn't catch my Willow reference.
Um. Sorry, yes, I was a bit late catching.
Or did you just not find it
> fitting in the context.
It fitted perfectly, Patrick, like any Willow reference.
Hey, no need to be honest when I'm trying to be nice. :)
Andrea :))
P@rick
> whole Scooby gang watching, Willow stating how much she always liked
playing
> Docter with Xander, and then finally Giles discovering the chip, proudly
> showing it to the gang, and behind their backs, Spike waking up, bleeding,
> angry, and very, *very* hungry...
>
> Oh yes. :))
How's that job application at Mutant Enemy coming along? Can we expect an ep
written by your masterhand anytime soon? (no spoilers please)
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
> It fitted perfectly, Patrick, like any Willow reference.
That's my girl.
> Hey, no need to be honest when I'm trying to be nice. :)
That's my girl.
Bye, Patrick
wheez50
> > > even cover it.
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> > Oh, man.....
> > Mattia, you want to help me out here with your trademark
optimism??
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less
> this time around. Still thought it had some really funny moments
though.
> As for good storyline, no.
>
> Oh, while I'm at it, some other things that annoyed me: 3
meters?!?!?!?!
> Riley is either blind or never learned how long a meter is. And the
> subtitling was mediocre again, most importantly translating knock
off as
> "I thought it was pretty" or some such garbage..Arghh!!!
Maybe that demon could raise those headspikeythingies. Then it would
be nearing 9 ft.
wheez50
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef
> > Oh, while I'm at it, some other things that annoyed me: 3 meters?!?!?!?!
> > Riley is either blind or never learned how long a meter is. And the
> > subtitling was mediocre again, most importantly translating knock off as
> > "I thought it was pretty" or some such garbage..Arghh!!!
>
> Maybe that demon could raise those headspikeythingies. Then it would
> be nearing 9 ft.
Well, not quite. I'm guessing he was a little over 6 foot, not much
taller than Riley. Definately NOT 3 meters (that would make him a
giant..) And anyway, since when do you measure height by extra bits?
That would make Marge Simpson a little over 7 foot tall, methinks ;-)
Lets face it, Americans don't know squat about metric (Well, most of
them..)
Mattia
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