Deus ex machina (spoiler: S3-10)
Peter Kleiweg
Spoiler for S3-10: Amends
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Amends. Quite an episode. Don't know whether to hate it or to
love it. Don't really know how to comment on it either.
The story was interesting, even good most of the time.
Worrying fact: when it really matters, in some crucial moments,
David Boreanaz' acting is a bit lacking. This doesn't look good
for the show _Angel_. Perhaps if Angel were allowed to letting
his hair down... I mean, he wakes up from a terrible nightmare
with his hair still looking the same. Is it glued-on that way?
It just adds to DB's incredibility.
Buffy didn't save the show. That was good. Instead, Hollywood's
greatest lie, Father Christmas saved the show. That was
horrible. It almost succeeded in dragging me down with its
sickening sentimentality. Even though I was warned this would
happen.
No more to add now. Maybe later.
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Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: xl -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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The vampires! I need to kill the vampires!
-- Buffy, Killed By Death
Xander X
wrote:
<big snip>
>> Buffy didn't save the show. That was good. Instead, Hollywood's
>> greatest lie, Father Christmas saved the show. That was
>> horrible. It almost succeeded in dragging me down with its
>> sickening sentimentality.
>
>Yeah.....although personally I liked to be dragged.....a lot! I'm
>certainly rewatching this next christmas (and about 20 times before that
><g>)........but it indeed was a bit unrealistic, but hey I forgive them
>for wanting a happy christmasy ending...in fact I wanted it too!!
>
>> Even though I was warned this would
>> happen.
Josh missed a perfect moment for having a vampire slasher.
I mean, the sun was blocked.. this would be THE event to attract
vampire activity..
..And there is ofcourse the daywalker species.. *g* blade..
~speed gives you a high~
george van hal
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> Amends. Quite an episode. Don't know whether to hate it or to
> love it. Don't really know how to comment on it either.
>
> The story was interesting, even good most of the time.
>
> Worrying fact: when it really matters, in some crucial moments,
> David Boreanaz' acting is a bit lacking.
I don't really agree here. David is a great and talented actor, but the
character he portrays (as much as I love the good angel character) is a
bit lacking at times. These episodes show that buffy (and especially the
character of angel) is aimed at a (teenage) female audience. David
boreanaz portraying angel while he's actually acting is great, but
somehow season 3 requires him to breath heavily most of the time which
is getting a bit anoying. In this ep it was justified (most of the time)
because of the emotional torment angel was in. Still this will probably
not be caried into the angel show, so I wouldnt worry to much about it.
As long as they dont let him pant or do that rediculous irish accent
alls fine :-)
>Perhaps if Angel were allowed to letting
>his hair down... I mean, he wakes up from a terrible nightmare
> with his hair still looking the same. Is it glued-on that way?
> It just adds to DB's incredibility.
This is true....one of the casualties of buffy becoming a more "styled"
show......
>
>
> Buffy didn't save the show. That was good. Instead, Hollywood's
> greatest lie, Father Christmas saved the show. That was
> horrible. It almost succeeded in dragging me down with its
> sickening sentimentality.
Yeah.....although personally I liked to be dragged.....a lot! I'm
certainly rewatching this next christmas (and about 20 times before that
<g>)........but it indeed was a bit unrealistic, but hey I forgive them
for wanting a happy christmasy ending...in fact I wanted it too!!
> Even though I was warned this would
> happen.
>
> No more to add now. Maybe later.
Probably <g>
See Ya,
George
Miriam Rocke
: On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:17:13 +0200, george van hal <hal0...@wxs.nl>
: wrote:
:
: >
: >
:
: <big snip>
:
: >> Buffy didn't save the show. That was good. Instead, Hollywood's
: >> greatest lie, Father Christmas saved the show. That was
: >> horrible. It almost succeeded in dragging me down with its
: >> sickening sentimentality.
: >
: >Yeah.....although personally I liked to be dragged.....a lot! I'm
: >certainly rewatching this next christmas (and about 20 times before that
: ><g>)........but it indeed was a bit unrealistic, but hey I forgive them
: >for wanting a happy christmasy ending...in fact I wanted it too!!
: >
: >> Even though I was warned this would
: >> happen.
: Josh missed a perfect moment for having a vampire slasher.
:
: I mean, the sun was blocked.. this would be THE event to attract
: vampire activity..
Joss, not Josh.
And I don't know that it would be. There were clouds over the sun,
yes-- but it was a freak weather pattern that could disappear with
just as much warning, which would leave any vampires stranded, if not
crispy. With a threat of sun-appearing-at-any-time, vampires aren't
going to want to just randomly go out. Possibly if it were some
scheduled event-- a full eclipse, or some ordained sun-blockage, they
might come out; but an unpredictable weather pattern isn't quite the
same, and isn't safe enough for the average vampire.
Besides, it was an Act of The-opposite-of-the-first-evil, or whatever,
so evil can't take advantage of it. Or something. <g>
Mir
--
Miriam Rocke "Just so we're clear, you guys
mrr...@ucdavis.edu know you're nuts, right?"
http://handel.cipic.ucdavis.edu/~mrrocke/ --BtVS, "Gingerbread"
george van hal
Miriam Rocke wrote:
I agree here......besides it follwed a perfectly good night so why wait till
morning?
> Besides, it was an Act of The-opposite-of-the-first-evil, or whatever,
> so evil can't take advantage of it. Or something. <g>
LOL.....but if toofte (which is a kewl name btw) turns out to be santa in s4
i'm gonna kill myself <g>. Btw it would be even kewler if the first evil
him/her self did this and the entire ep was part of its plan. I feel that would
be a good idea to work out in an angel ep, but I'm thinking that wont happen
since joss stated the angel series should be viewable for people who never saw
buffy before....
See Ya,
George
Peter Kleiweg
> > Besides, it was an Act of The-opposite-of-the-first-evil, or
> > whatever, so evil can't take advantage of it. Or something.
> > <g>
>
> LOL.....but if toofte (which is a kewl name btw) turns out to
> be santa in s4 i'm gonna kill myself <g>. Btw it would be even
> kewler if the first evil him/her self did this and the entire
> ep was part of its plan. I feel that would be a good idea to
> work out in an angel ep, but I'm thinking that wont happen
> since joss stated the angel series should be viewable for
> people who never saw buffy before....
I don't buy all this absolute good/evil thing. It's rubbish.
Good or evil are always relative. People who want you to believe
otherwise just impose their own sense of morality on all and
everything else.
That demon, as Jenny or as some other Angel victim, claiming to
be the first evil is either stupid or just trying to scare
people. Even among different intelligent species, such as humans
and demons (a human-centered derogative), there can be
completely different notions of what, using all sensible
judgment, is good or evil. (And besides a moral sense of good
and evil, there are of course the more or less short-sighted
selfish interests.) For whatever reason, to demon-impersonating-
Jenny it was unacceptable that Angel was lost from the demon's
domain. He had to be brought back, by whatever means, and the
consequences for the human realm were presumably irrelevant.
Likewise, whatever saved Angel can not be thought of as The
First Good, or something. But this suggestion was overpowering
by the use of Christmas imagery. Father Christmas the savior,
love and peace for all. Sickening. Whatever, whoever saved Angel
has its own agenda, unknown to humankind, perhaps in the long
run even more harmful to humankind than that angered
demon-Jenny.
Good and evil are no absolutes bestowed upon those with
intelligent thought. One intelligent species may be completely
indifferent to another intelligent species' interests, like some
natural disaster, ruthless, but without malicious intend.
Or, looking at it differently, this was just an example of the
all-American, narrow-minded view of the plastic Hollywood
Christmas spirit invading every American tv show.
--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: xl -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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Well, ain't you just got the prettiest little neck I ever did see.
-- Lyle, Bad Eggs
george van hal
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
Wow....I agree for once <g>...well almost. The happy christmas ending didnt
bother me one bit, I even kinda liked it. But I agree the episode would have
been way better if they hadnt chosen that aproach.....
See Ya,
George
Hanneke
Peter said:
>Whatever, whoever saved Angel
>has its own agenda, unknown to humankind, perhaps in the long
>run even more harmful to humankind than that angered
>demon-Jenny.
Oh, I know, it was the Borg.
:))
Hanneke
Xander X
*grin*
you shure you arent seven of nine?