Angel - Looking ahead?
Tafka
details from S4 from "A New Journey" (4x09) through to "Salvage" (4x13).
Speculation for Season FIVE based upon a few recent suggestions from Niall
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"This may have been mentioned before: In "To Shanshu in L.A.", Wesley
reads in the prophecy that "the vampire with a soul" will become human
many years from now, after many trials, one of which is "the coming
darkness." Could the recent blocking out of the sun be the "darkness" this
referred to? "
I know Niall, and others, have said that Angel as a human in S5 would be
the next sensible step for ATS to go and to - *finally* - have a prophecy
with some nice continuity would be a very nice way to go.
But does anyone else see it happening?
How would it happen and why? TPTB's influence (who haven't been 'seen'
since Skip in "Tomorrow", really) or through whatever resolution of the
Angelus arc we come to? Angelus to be killed and Angel/Liam to be brought
back ala Darla in "Shansu"? Angelus to be 'resouled' but to be made human,
through some spell?
-Tafka-
Could you whisper in my ear
The things you wanna feel
Niall Harrison
> Taken from tvtome and covers plot point from "To Shansu in LA" and then
> details from S4 from "A New Journey" (4x09) through to "Salvage" (4x13).
That's 'Long Day's Journey'. :-p
I'm also gonna post the known ep titles up to 4x19. Because I can.
And a suggestive comment from a recent interview that is a spoiler for the
END OF BUFFY SEASON SEVEN.
Yes, season seven. Of _Buffy_. Also spoilers for _Fray_.
And what the hell, _Buffy_ ep titles through the end of S7 as well.
Doesn't Wes also refer to a beast of some kind rising in 2003? Or am I
imagining that?
> I know Niall, and others, have said that Angel as a human in S5 would be
> the next sensible step for ATS to go and to - *finally* - have a prophecy
> with some nice continuity would be a very nice way to go.
>
> But does anyone else see it happening?
Heck, *I* don't see it happening. I'd just really like it to.
> How would it happen and why?
I can't see any plausible way. To explain:
The interview comment I mentioned above is from DB. Angel will be making
an appearance in the _Buffy_ series finale, and DB's comment was
(paraphrasing) 'there will be a reason for him to go'. Obviously, the
First is probably reason enough...but becoming human would also be a
reason.
Trouble is, that would suck. It would (a) regress Angel, and (b) put a
major point of character development on _Buffy_.
The other alternative is the _Fray_ ending, in which the hellmouth is
closed and all demons are banished from this reality. Again, sucks because
it puts too much emphasis on _Buffy_.
And if they did this ending, who knows what'd happen to, say, Lorne.
I would love Angel to become human, though. If S5 is the last season, it
could be a fantastic way to bookend the show in the way that S7 has been
for _Buffy_.
Now those ep titles in full:
4x15 'Orpheus'
4x16 'Players'
4x17 'Inside Out'
4x18 'Shiny Happy People'
4x19 'Magic Bullet'
7x17 'Lies My Parents Told Me'
7x18 'Dirty Girls'
7x19 'Empty Spaces'
7x20 'Unlock The Power'
7x21 'Chosen, part I'
7x22 'Chosen, part II'
Comment: I really hope they change the title for 7x20.
Niall
--
A little charm and a lot of style.
Shuggie
wrote:
No.
Wesley: "The beast of Amalfie, a razor toothed six-eyed harbinger
of death. No, wait, that's due to arise in 2003 in Reseda."
Not only is it due this year, but it's a *harbinger*!
--
Shug
"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, prepare to die."
Jonathan Dupont
news:10478254...@urchin.earth.li:
Indeed. Perhaps managing to tie in all at once, I don't know, Angel
managing to enter Kate's apartment, the birth of Connor, "the Father will
kill the son" (which I'm still far from convinced was a fake prophecy,
although the specific father & son may not be what we suspect), Cordy
becoming a higher being and so on.
That would be cool.
>
>> How would it happen and why?
>
> I can't see any plausible way. To explain:
>
> The interview comment I mentioned above is from DB. Angel will be
> making an appearance in the _Buffy_ series finale, and DB's comment
> was (paraphrasing) 'there will be a reason for him to go'. Obviously,
> the First is probably reason enough...but becoming human would also be
> a reason.
>
> Trouble is, that would suck. It would (a) regress Angel, and (b) put a
> major point of character development on _Buffy_.
Couldn't he become human and then want to go and tell Buffy?
> The other alternative is the _Fray_ ending, in which the hellmouth is
> closed and all demons are banished from this reality. Again, sucks
> because it puts too much emphasis on _Buffy_.
I'm hoping they modify this to *most* demons are swept out of this reality.
Just enough left to be rounded and killed off by Angel and spin off. I kind
of also think that this could be interpeted as turning all vampires into
humans, thus solving both the Spike and Angel problems neatly. (Not to
mention Cordy & Connor).
> And if they did this ending, who knows what'd happen to, say, Lorne.
Good point.
> I would love Angel to become human, though. If S5 is the last season,
> it could be a fantastic way to bookend the show in the way that S7 has
> been for _Buffy_.
OTOH, part of me thinks it's the sort of thing that should be saved to the
Season Finale. It seems sort of the end of his quest, not the bit before
the end.
> Now those ep titles in full:
>
> 4x15 'Orpheus'
> 4x16 'Players'
> 4x17 'Inside Out'
> 4x18 'Shiny Happy People'
> 4x19 'Magic Bullet'
No idea what any of them mean, except "Shiny Happy People" possibly PTB
reference?
> 7x17 'Lies My Parents Told Me'
Could be Spike & Wood, or maybe Dawn & Joyce.
> 7x18 'Dirty Girls'
No comment.
> 7x19 'Empty Spaces'
Interesting title, I'm not sure what it's about though. Anya maybe? Except
I think we'll probably be in full on arc mode now, not character pieces.
> 7x20 'Unlock The Power'
Obvious 7x01 reference, but really, really horrible name.
> 7x21 'Chosen, part I'
> 7x22 'Chosen, part II'
I liked this when it was just 7x22, but not so keen as a two parter. Seems
about right for the end, anyway.
> Comment: I really hope they change the title for 7x20.
>
> Niall
Jon
Dr Zoidberg
But there is a difference between a general purpose harbinger and one of the
firsts Harbingers
--
Alex
"We are now up against live, hostile targets"
"So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad
attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! "
Tony Gowland
Am I the only one that thinks this isn't somethuing amazingly mystical at
all, but just that she died, so he could enter, then he resuscitated her?
That's how I've always read it, but even on the show they imply it's some
amazing "woah, why do you think you could do that? IT'S MAGIC!!?!?1" moment.
--
Tony Gowland
http://www.planethalflife.com/freakyzoids/
"Remember, I AM NOT LYING!!! This is all official information."
Niall Harrison
>> Angel managing to enter Kate's apartment,
>
> Am I the only one that thinks this isn't somethuing amazingly mystical at
> all, but just that she died, so he could enter, then he resuscitated her?
No, that's certainly a possibility. Either way, though, you end up with
Kate being alive and Angel being able to enter her apartment without ever
having received an invitation. Divine intervention or mystical loophole?
You decide!
Niall
--
But is it art?
Iain Clark
wrote:
>Previously, on alt.buffy.europe - Tony Gowland wrote:
The same kind of mystical loophole that got Buffy out of her fate in
Prophecy Girl. Seems the mystical rules were all created before CPR
:-)
I actually like the idea that there comes that final moment where Kate
"dies" by whatever criteria apply to vampires entering homes. Angel
is instantly able to enter the room, yet she's not too far gone to be
revived. It makes sense to me. (Although maybe she's revived just a
little bit too easily!)
The episode does deliberately leave it unresolved, though.
Iain
--
XANDER: Am I right, Giles?
GILES: I'm almost certain you're not, but to be fair, I wasn't listening.
pikelet
Gowland" <to...@nospamplease.com> is twanging, all Hoob-like, at me. I
calmly say:
>> Angel managing to enter Kate's apartment,
>
>Am I the only one that thinks this isn't somethuing amazingly mystical at
>all, but just that she died, so he could enter, then he resuscitated her?
>That's how I've always read it, but even on the show they imply it's some
>amazing "woah, why do you think you could do that? IT'S MAGIC!!?!?1" moment.
*blinks*
You're objecting to something mystical and 'magic' on a show that
features mystical Powers That Be and, erm, magic?
Tim
Dave Emberton
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I've recently been watching Angel S1, and it's interesting to note that he
gives up the Gem of Amara in "In the Dark", which would have gone along way
to making him at least live in the world with humans, and also gave up being
more literally human in "I will Remember You". In both cases, this was
because he felt he could no longer fight evil if he wasn't a vampire. Has so
much changed in 3 years that Angel feels he can retire from evil fighting?
Has he acheived redemption?
I can't see how Angel could become Human, as for one thing it doesn't make
sense for the character, and for another, there goes the whole premise of
the show.
Dave