Buffy: 3.17 Enemies
Saskia
but there's something I don't get. How come the mayor thought he
actually called upon that black thing?
I mean, we see the mayor call upon the thing, he thinks the demon
turns Angel but it turned out he wasn't turned after all ..?.. But
why did the Mayor called upon the black thing or how come Giles knew
about it... I'm trying to explain my confusion but I'm not really
doing a good job am I :) Did anyone get it?
And how come I *still* get teary eyed about the Sad & Brooding Angel
over Buffy thing?
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Saskia
Giles: "Wesley, why don’t you take the group and start looking?"
Cordelia: "I’min Wesley’s group."
Giles: "There is just the one group."
Cordelia: "Yes! And I am in it."
Jonathan Black
> I don't get it... this was an ok episode (too bad Faith was in it),
> but there's something I don't get. How come the mayor thought he
> actually called upon that black thing?
> I mean, we see the mayor call upon the thing, he thinks the demon
> turns Angel but it turned out he wasn't turned after all ..?.. But
> why did the Mayor called upon the black thing or how come Giles knew
> about it... I'm trying to explain my confusion but I'm not really
> doing a good job am I :) Did anyone get it?
Well, almost a hour, and no responses to this. Seems you've
stumped us, Saskia. I didn't catch the ep tonight and it is not
fresh enough in my mind to enable me to usefully respond to
difficult questions like this so you will have to excuse me until
after the Friday uncut rerun. Hell, mabye there were severe cuts
in it tonight that rendered the storyline completely bogus, who
knows... Though I think there will always be some discussion
about this particular ep's storyline. Well, at least it has Faith
in it.
> And how come I *still* get teary eyed about the Sad & Brooding
> Angel over Buffy thing?
I see no reason why you wouldn't.
;-)
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J o N a T H a N
"It's been a long time since I've been to the movies.
They've changed."
--Angel, `Enemies'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Phydeaux
him to his wife') - I reckon black thing was summoned by the mayor, agreed
to do the deed and then went and told Giles 'hey, your slayer's fella is in
trouble - but as I owe you one, lets put up a charade'.
It wasn't the most clearly put across device I've ever seen...
Willem Tel
>I don't get it... this was an ok episode (too bad Faith was in it),
>but there's something I don't get. How come the mayor thought he
>actually called upon that black thing?
>I mean, we see the mayor call upon the thing, he thinks the demon
>turns Angel but it turned out he wasn't turned after all ..?.. But
>why did the Mayor called upon the black thing or how come Giles knew
>about it... I'm trying to explain my confusion but I'm not really
>doing a good job am I :) Did anyone get it?
Well, I thought I did, so I'll try to explain :-)
After Faith unsuccessfully tries to bed Angel to rid him once again of
his soul, the mayor tries something else. He summons the black demon
and asks him to get rid of Angels soul (in return for whatever).
However, the black demon knows of Angel and Giles and probably the
whole gang. He also owes Giles a favor for introducing him to his
wife. So, before going to Angel he sees Giles and they come up with a
plan to decieve the mayor and get proof of Faith's turn to the dark
side. The plan succeeds and the black demon now tells Giles they are
even. Satisfied he is free of his debts, he returns to the underworld.
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Willem Tel
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Saskia
Here's a thread I dó read :)
Willem Tel schreef:
> Saskia wrote:
> > Did anyone get it?
> Well, I thought I did, so I'll try to explain :-)
Amazing!
> However, the black demon knows of Angel and Giles and probably the
> whole gang. He also owes Giles a favor for introducing him to his
> wife. So, before going to Angel he sees Giles and they come up with a
> plan to decieve the mayor and get proof of Faith's turn to the dark
> side. The plan succeeds and the black demon now tells Giles they are
> even. Satisfied he is free of his debts, he returns to the underworld.
Yep, that makes sense. Sort of what Phydeaux said too. So that's
probably it. Still think they could've explain that tho. For those of
us with less imagination :-)
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Saskia
Miriam Rocke
: Saskia wrote:
:
: >I don't get it... this was an ok episode (too bad Faith was in it),
: >but there's something I don't get. How come the mayor thought he
: >actually called upon that black thing?
: >I mean, we see the mayor call upon the thing, he thinks the demon
: >turns Angel but it turned out he wasn't turned after all ..?.. But
: >why did the Mayor called upon the black thing or how come Giles knew
: >about it... I'm trying to explain my confusion but I'm not really
:
: Well, I thought I did, so I'll try to explain :-)
: After Faith unsuccessfully tries to bed Angel to rid him once again of
: his soul, the mayor tries something else. He summons the black demon
: and asks him to get rid of Angels soul (in return for whatever).
: whole gang. He also owes Giles a favor for introducing him to his
: wife. So, before going to Angel he sees Giles and they come up with a
: plan to decieve the mayor and get proof of Faith's turn to the dark
: side. The plan succeeds and the black demon now tells Giles they are
: even. Satisfied he is free of his debts, he returns to the underworld.
Yeah, but...
I got the impression (always a dangerous thing to say <g>) that Giles
knew warlock-dude from *before* his time with Buffy et al. Which
means that warlock-dude wouldn't have been told about the Slayerettes,
and-- even if Giles did a "Gee, why don't I tell all my warlockian
friends about the Slayerettes so that, in case the Bad Guy Of The Week
tries summoning a friend to kill one of the Slayerettes, the friend'll
know not to"-- I don't know that he would have necessarily leapt from
"There's this vampire that's pestering me, can you take his soul
away?" to "Angel must be one of Giles' friends, therefore I should
check with Giles before doing anything."
Unless, of course, Angel and Giles are secretly off on fortnightly
trysts, and Angel has a "Property of Giles" tag on him. ;)
Mir
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mrr...@ucdavis.edu know you're nuts, right?"
http://handel.cipic.ucdavis.edu/~mrrocke/ --BtVS, "Gingerbread"
Fuzzy
Miriam Rocke wrote in message <8nf0g9$ma1$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu>...
Well, it might be that he was just going to visit Giles, being in town
an' all and mentioned in passing: "Hey, I got a job today ridding a
Vamp from his soul, how about that?
Right, pretty lame.
>Unless, of course, Angel and Giles are secretly off on fortnightly
>trysts, and Angel has a "Property of Giles" tag on him. ;)
<Shivers in horror>
Sierk
Willow: (flapping her hands with disgust) "Ack! Ew! No more! You're
really starting to freak me out!"
---Doppelgängland
P@rick
And I see that along the way we lost the spoilerspace. Which I don't grief
about.
> I got the impression (always a dangerous thing to say <g>) that Giles
> knew warlock-dude from *before* his time with Buffy et al. Which
> means that warlock-dude wouldn't have been told about the Slayerettes,
> and-- even if Giles did a "Gee, why don't I tell all my warlockian
> friends about the Slayerettes so that, in case the Bad Guy Of The Week
> tries summoning a friend to kill one of the Slayerettes, the friend'll
> know not to"-- I don't know that he would have necessarily leapt from
> "There's this vampire that's pestering me, can you take his soul
> away?" to "Angel must be one of Giles' friends, therefore I should
> check with Giles before doing anything."
The only explanation that I can come up with is that the Mage would do some
background checking about Angel and the Mayor. And I can imagine that the
Hellmouth is a place of focus for most of the demons and the like. So they
tend to be more knowledgeable about the situation in Sunnydale. So visiting
Giles could be a logical thing to do for the Mage. But all in all, the story
leaves room for a lot of fanwank.
Bye, Patrick
Saskia
"P@rick" schreef:
>
> Miriam Rocke wrote:
>
> And I see that along the way we lost the spoilerspace. Which I don't grief
> about.
Ok call me lazy for not wanting read that META thread again but
wasn't there agreement about not needing spoilerspaces after
Wednesday's BBC airing?
Maybe we need a recap of that META thing...? Or maybe I just need to
remember stuff better...
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Saskia
P@rick
> Ok call me lazy for not wanting read that META thread again but
> wasn't there agreement about not needing spoilerspaces after
> Wednesday's BBC airing?
There is, as far as I'm concerned. I'll wrap it up this weekend.
> Maybe we need a recap of that META thing...?
What's the use? You wouldn't read it anyway ;o)
Bye, Patrick
Saskia
"P@rick" schreef:
> Saskia wrote:
> > Maybe we need a recap of that META thing...?
>
> What's the use? You wouldn't read it anyway ;o)
:-O
Ye of little faith...
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Saskia
Jonathan Black
Eh, I think he's pretty much "of little willow", or at least he
thinks he is.
P@rick
> "P@rick" schreef:
> > Saskia wrote:
>
> > > Maybe we need a recap of that META thing...?
> >
> > What's the use? You wouldn't read it anyway ;o)
>
> :-O
>
> Ye of little faith...
Ye of selective reading...
bye, Patrick
I can do that
P@rick
> Saskia wrote:
> > Ye of little faith...
>
> Eh, I think he's pretty much "of little willow"/
What she lacks in size, she more than makes up with her radiant appearance.
/, or at least he thinks he is.
I *know* I am. Pity she's a fictional character though.
Bye, Patrick