RATT: Buffy 6ABB09 "Smashed"
Mattia Valente
Spoilers Buffy S6 episode 9, 'Smashed'
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Pffff.........what to think of this? I'll go with Dork Boy Who's Name I
Don't Know:
"Whoa, Headrush."
Okay, so we actually DID get the annoying beginning of episode 'well,
the kiss meant nothing' and the end of episode smoochies. Well, break
down the house wild sex, anyway. Ye gods..Oh, yeah, and Amy showed up.
And, unfortunatley, so did the Nerd Troika. Didn't bother me uber much
this time, though. Too busy letting my head, y'know, spin.
Episode written by a new friendly addition to the writing staff, Drew Z.
Greenberg, himself a Buffy fan from day one, apparently (if one believes
past summer's bronze postage ;-) And he didn't do a half bad job. Not
perfect, but a solid eppie. He got a lot to work with, too.
First off, the Witches:
Okay, so, deratting Amy, very very simple. Hmm. Why didn't she do this
before? And, uh, Amy seems to be just as bad - if not worse than - as
Willow where flippant use of Magicks is concerned. The whole Bronze
scene bothered me, mostly because nobody *noticed* they were magicking
all over the bloody place. This said, Mmmm...Amy. She's back! And she
thought it'd only been weeks! And yet, we didn't get an eppie centered
around her. Methinks we'll be seeing a little more of her over the next
few eps. Not too much, if all they're gonna do is good off, though.
Tara's all torn up about it, and isn't the Tara/Dawn thing cute (mind
OUT of gutter, you pervert..)? Not gonig too well. I'm wondering if Tara
and Dawn know about Amy (I'm guessing 'no', but that would be
weird..timeline's a little blurred..) and if Amy knows about Dawn. Do
Rat memories get altered too?
Xander and Anya: Are there, make a little bit 'o' funny, express
concern, move along.
Next up: The Dorks
Gah. As soon as they popped up in the 'Previously On..' segment I
cringed. Bah. Then we got some funny, but rather silly 'Lone Gunmen'
spoof (which, I know, is a spoof itself, but I'm not gonna say mission
impossible.), Batman villain weapons (yawn..) and extremely dorky
dialogue. Jonathan is beginning to bug me, that other kid is annoying,
Warren's the only one I can halfway stand, because he actually seems to
have a *brain*. Right. So they've got a plan. Involves a diamond. Right.
An 'Alan Parsons Project'..err..Laser or something? We'll see, I guess.
Bah. On the bright side, perhaps chipsville ending is in sight.
Spike...and eventually Buffy.
Drew Greenberg is evil. Spike hits Buffy, doesn't feel pain, goes out to
feed, I'm whooping and cheering! YESS!! For a moment there, I was afraid
they'd do a redemptionist "aw, darn, I can't eat this girl" thing, but
they made it worse, made it more confusing: he tries, but fails. Off to
Dorks Inc. Chip's working (Damn. And why do they have all this hi-tech
crap? Ah well..) Oh, and darn. Now Spike knows of them. The link Scoobs
-> Spike -> Dorks has been established. Let's hope they dechip him and
he kills them. Aaaah....
ARGH! But then, 'oooh!', more chills: is Buffy 'wrong'? Or is there a
way to get around the chip? And, is Buffy 'wrong'????
Hmmm...consequences? Odness? The plot's getting thicker, and I have no
clue where we're going. I LIKE it. What I hate is that we may well have
to wait about 2 months before we get anything new. Well, perhaps one new
one in a coupla weeks, but it looks like rerun hell is upon us (ARGH!!)
Right, Buffy's all screwed up. She knows it's wrong, she knows it's a
bad choice, but she's still really goofed about it. She wants to confide
in Willow, but finds she can't. She almost comes clean with X and A, but
instead gets nervous and all that. And then, the revelation that Spike
can hurt her. First, shock, horror, he's back, and he's evil. Next, he
can only hurt her. And she can't really deal.
Then what? A nifty Matrix-y fight sequence (well, walls 'n things, not
the rest) complete with some mildly reminicsent music (maybe it's just
me..) and holy CRAP. Onscreen boinkage. And it's pretty rough. Looks
like an urgent need, basic drive, lust perhaps, but not love. At least,
that's not what it looked like to me. It's....disturbing. And the most
explicit thing since the Buffybot scenes. Heck, perhaps more explicit.
Couple (hehe...'couple') that to the visual pyrotechnics and the house
breaking down....whoa.
My head, as mentioned, is spinning. I'm gonna need to start my
rewatches, or something.
As for the title: smashed, eh? Not sure I get it. Hmm..too much
spinning. Can you stop the room, please? In a sense, it's annoying,
because there's not a whole lot in the 'plot' sense, and you feel a
buttload more coming on in the near future. It's largely setup. But it's
good setup, so..
Wonder when I'll get my grubby little fingers on Angel 3ADH09...
Mattia
--
"My beagle went swimming today and now he's typing on my keyboard with
his ample nose. Oh, and he's the bestest handsomeest beagle EVER."
--Tim Minear, Salon.com, May 2001
Sonja
"Mattia Valente" <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in bericht
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Even I thought that was annoying, yey me :-)
> And, unfortunatley, so did the Nerd Troika. Didn't bother me uber much
> this time, though.
And you didn't see much of them this time either, hope they die in next ep.
> First off, the Witches:
>
> Okay, so, deratting Amy, very very simple. Hmm. Why didn't she do this
> before?
I wondered about that too. Way to simple really, or maybe just to show how
powerful Willow suddenly is. You know what she did with that computer was
also really frightfully powerful.
> Tara's all torn up about it, and isn't the Tara/Dawn thing cute (mind
> OUT of gutter, you pervert..)? Not gonig too well. I'm wondering if Tara
> and Dawn know about Amy (I'm guessing 'no', but that would be
> weird..timeline's a little blurred..) and if Amy knows about Dawn. Do
> Rat memories get altered too?
Probably not.
> Xander and Anya: Are there, make a little bit 'o' funny, express
> concern, move along.
I liked them very much this ep, especially Anya, she said some sensible
things for a change. Not all 'oops shouldn't
say that'. She really made sense.
> ARGH! But then, 'oooh!', more chills: is Buffy 'wrong'? Or is there a
> way to get around the chip? And, is Buffy 'wrong'????
Yes!!
> Hmmm...consequences?
Magic always seems to have them ;-)
Odness? The plot's getting thicker, and I have no
> clue where we're going. I LIKE it.
Well it's a nice twist, I thought Buffy has less empathy anyway and you
can't just blame that on the "I'm torn from heaven", over and over again.
She's more like the first Slayer now IMO, bit more on the instincts so to
speak.
> Then what? A nifty Matrix-y fight sequence (well, walls 'n things, not
> the rest) complete with some mildly reminicsent music (maybe it's just
> me..) and holy CRAP. Onscreen boinkage. And it's pretty rough. Looks
> like an urgent need, basic drive, lust perhaps, but not love. At least,
> that's not what it looked like to me. It's....disturbing. And the most
> explicit thing since the Buffybot scenes. Heck, perhaps more explicit.
> Couple (hehe...'couple') that to the visual pyrotechnics and the house
> breaking down....whoa.
Maybe the house stands for Buffy's emotional side, she doesn't want to let
Spike in, but she finally gives in and the walls come tumbling down,
literally.
Would've liked to see a bit more skin and ripping off clothes and ....
> As for the title: smashed, eh? Not sure I get it.
Guess Buffy's image of the way she sees herself is quite smashed by now, she
was the last to expect she had something demonic.
> Wonder when I'll get my grubby little fingers on Angel 3ADH09...
>
Haven't seen it either :-(
Sonja
--
"Just knock 3 times and whisper low, that you and I were sent by Joe, then
strike a match and then you'll know you're in Hernando's Hideaway..."(The
Johnston Brothers, Snatch)
Mattia Valente
On the one hand I was all 'Woo!!' again, on the other hand, you know,
lame. Fortunately things only got better from there on in.
> > And, unfortunatley, so did the Nerd Troika. Didn't bother me uber much
> > this time, though.
>
> And you didn't see much of them this time either, hope they die in next ep.
YESS!!!
But I'm guessing not. At least we're openly acknowledging they're lame,
eh?
> > First off, the Witches:
> >
> > Okay, so, deratting Amy, very very simple. Hmm. Why didn't she do this
> > before?
>
> I wondered about that too. Way to simple really, or maybe just to show how
> powerful Willow suddenly is. You know what she did with that computer was
> also really frightfully powerful.
That was disturbing. Had she been able to do this a coupla years back,
she could've just zapped Moloch singelhandedly. Scary.
> > Tara's all torn up about it, and isn't the Tara/Dawn thing cute (mind
> > OUT of gutter, you pervert..)? Not gonig too well. I'm wondering if Tara
> > and Dawn know about Amy (I'm guessing 'no', but that would be
> > weird..timeline's a little blurred..) and if Amy knows about Dawn. Do
> > Rat memories get altered too?
>
> Probably not.
But I wanna know. Like.
> > Xander and Anya: Are there, make a little bit 'o' funny, express
> > concern, move along.
>
> I liked them very much this ep, especially Anya, she said some sensible
> things for a change. Not all 'oops shouldn't
> say that'. She really made sense.
She often does. There's just not that much to say about them here.
> > ARGH! But then, 'oooh!', more chills: is Buffy 'wrong'? Or is there a
> > way to get around the chip? And, is Buffy 'wrong'????
>
> Yes!!
Head. Spinning. Muchly.
> > Hmmm...consequences?
>
> Magic always seems to have them ;-)
Yeah, but we'd been faked out into thinking we'd pretty much had them.
Let's hope we haven't (oh, I'm bad. And I like it.)
> > Odness? The plot's getting thicker, and I have no
> > clue where we're going. I LIKE it.
>
> Well it's a nice twist, I thought Buffy has less empathy anyway and you
> can't just blame that on the "I'm torn from heaven", over and over again.
Well, you sort of can. It's been what, 2 months? And she's only come
clean about it recently? And she hasn't had much of anyone to talk about
it with (she's not the most open girl.) There's plenty there to cause a
whole boatload of numbness and, and stuff.
> She's more like the first Slayer now IMO, bit more on the instincts so to
> speak.
A little. But also not really. As the Musical Ep showed, she doesn't
even really care about slaying any more. That's the only thing the first
slayer cared about. What Spike did manage to do is finally get a rise
out of her, rouse her anger, rouse something, get a reaction. Not a
whole lot of things have been able to do that recently.
> > Then what? A nifty Matrix-y fight sequence (well, walls 'n things, not
> > the rest) complete with some mildly reminicsent music (maybe it's just
> > me..) and holy CRAP. Onscreen boinkage. And it's pretty rough. Looks
> > like an urgent need, basic drive, lust perhaps, but not love. At least,
> > that's not what it looked like to me. It's....disturbing. And the most
> > explicit thing since the Buffybot scenes. Heck, perhaps more explicit.
> > Couple (hehe...'couple') that to the visual pyrotechnics and the house
> > breaking down....whoa.
>
> Maybe the house stands for Buffy's emotional side, she doesn't want to let
> Spike in, but she finally gives in and the walls come tumbling down,
> literally.
I wouldn't read it that way. She's not acting out of love. It's lust,
and desperation. The walls come tumbling down aspect is definately
there. What it really means is something we'll have to wait and see
about.
> Would've liked to see a bit more skin and ripping off clothes and ....
Hehe..
> > As for the title: smashed, eh? Not sure I get it.
>
> Guess Buffy's image of the way she sees herself is quite smashed by now, she
> was the last to expect she had something demonic.
Well, we don't know what she is, really.
> > Wonder when I'll get my grubby little fingers on Angel 3ADH09...
>
> Haven't seen it either :-(
I'm not going to bother with a DivX, I'm in line for a VCD, but waiting
sucks!
Stephen Walker
"Mattia Valente" <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> wrote in message
news:3BFA922C...@std.vu.nl...
There are already plenty of threads started on this one, just I'll just
piggyback.
>
> Pffff.........what to think of this? I'll go with Dork Boy Who's Name I
> Don't Know:
>
> "Whoa, Headrush."
I'll go with that.
Quite a long "Previously" wasn't it.
>
> Okay, so we actually DID get the annoying beginning of episode 'well,
> the kiss meant nothing' and the end of episode smoochies. Well, break
> down the house wild sex, anyway. Ye gods..Oh, yeah, and Amy showed up.
> And, unfortunatley, so did the Nerd Troika. Didn't bother me uber much
> this time, though. Too busy letting my head, y'know, spin.
Ugh, Dork Squad again. Not quite so bad this time, but they didn't have so
much time devoted to them.
>
> Episode written by a new friendly addition to the writing staff, Drew Z.
> Greenberg, himself a Buffy fan from day one, apparently (if one believes
> past summer's bronze postage ;-) And he didn't do a half bad job. Not
> perfect, but a solid eppie. He got a lot to work with, too.
>
> First off, the Witches:
>
> Okay, so, deratting Amy, very very simple. Hmm. Why didn't she do this
> before? And, uh, Amy seems to be just as bad - if not worse than - as
> Willow where flippant use of Magicks is concerned.
Well she was doing Magical Homework back in S2.
> The whole Bronze
> scene bothered me, mostly because nobody *noticed* they were magicking
> all over the bloody place. This said, Mmmm...Amy. She's back! And she
> thought it'd only been weeks! And yet, we didn't get an eppie centered
> around her. Methinks we'll be seeing a little more of her over the next
> few eps. Not too much, if all they're gonna do is good off, though.
I would have liked to have seen more fallout from her discovery that it has
been three years, but it does look like she will be here for a while, so
they can do that later.
>
> Tara's all torn up about it, and isn't the Tara/Dawn thing cute (mind
> OUT of gutter, you pervert..)? Not gonig too well. I'm wondering if Tara
> and Dawn know about Amy (I'm guessing 'no', but that would be
> weird..timeline's a little blurred..) and if Amy knows about Dawn. Do
> Rat memories get altered too?
Also, how much of being a rat does she remember. She seems to have a
residual aversion to cheese and big wheels, but hasn't mentioned much more.
>
> Xander and Anya: Are there, make a little bit 'o' funny, express
> concern, move along.
>
> Next up: The Dorks
>
> Gah. As soon as they popped up in the 'Previously On..' segment I
> cringed. Bah. Then we got some funny, but rather silly 'Lone Gunmen'
> spoof (which, I know, is a spoof itself, but I'm not gonna say mission
> impossible.), Batman villain weapons (yawn..) and extremely dorky
> dialogue. Jonathan is beginning to bug me, that other kid is annoying,
> Warren's the only one I can halfway stand, because he actually seems to
> have a *brain*. Right. So they've got a plan. Involves a diamond. Right.
> An 'Alan Parsons Project'..err..Laser or something? We'll see, I guess.
> Bah. On the bright side, perhaps chipsville ending is in sight.
If they can make Robots hat can pass convincingly as human, evil lint that
warps time (with self destruct), and freeze rays, why are they bothering
with Sunnydale and Buffy? They just don't seem to have any ambition.
>
> Spike...and eventually Buffy.
>
> Drew Greenberg is evil. Spike hits Buffy, doesn't feel pain, goes out to
> feed, I'm whooping and cheering! YESS!! For a moment there, I was afraid
> they'd do a redemptionist "aw, darn, I can't eat this girl" thing, but
> they made it worse, made it more confusing: he tries, but fails. Off to
> Dorks Inc. Chip's working (Damn. And why do they have all this hi-tech
> crap? Ah well..) Oh, and darn. Now Spike knows of them. The link Scoobs
> -> Spike -> Dorks has been established. Let's hope they dechip him and
> he kills them. Aaaah....
>
> ARGH! But then, 'oooh!', more chills: is Buffy 'wrong'? Or is there a
> way to get around the chip? And, is Buffy 'wrong'????
> Hmmm...consequences? Odness? The plot's getting thicker, and I have no
> clue where we're going. I LIKE it. What I hate is that we may well have
> to wait about 2 months before we get anything new. Well, perhaps one new
> one in a coupla weeks, but it looks like rerun hell is upon us (ARGH!!)
Yeah, I like the fact that they've worked this. Spike's chip isn't firing
because Buffy's come back not quite so human. I guess we'll find out exactly
what she has come back as at the end of February sweeps, and fix it for the
end of May.
BTW, new ep next week, trailer is up.
>
> Right, Buffy's all screwed up. She knows it's wrong, she knows it's a
> bad choice, but she's still really goofed about it. She wants to confide
> in Willow, but finds she can't. She almost comes clean with X and A, but
> instead gets nervous and all that. And then, the revelation that Spike
> can hurt her. First, shock, horror, he's back, and he's evil. Next, he
> can only hurt her. And she can't really deal.
>
> Then what? A nifty Matrix-y fight sequence
If you say so.
> (well, walls 'n things, not
> the rest) complete with some mildly reminicsent music (maybe it's just
> me..) and holy CRAP. Onscreen boinkage. And it's pretty rough. Looks
> like an urgent need, basic drive, lust perhaps, but not love. At least,
> that's not what it looked like to me. It's....disturbing. And the most
> explicit thing since the Buffybot scenes. Heck, perhaps more explicit.
> Couple (hehe...'couple') that to the visual pyrotechnics and the house
> breaking down....whoa.
Cue the kiss/denial loop again, only this time it's boink/denial. Buffy
clearly realises that what she is doing is wrong, you can Xander and Anya's
words hitting home in the magic shop. Question is how much of this going
wild is down to Buffy and the trauma of what she has been through, and how
much is down to her coming back "wrong"?
>
> My head, as mentioned, is spinning. I'm gonna need to start my
> rewatches, or something.
>
> As for the title: smashed, eh? Not sure I get it. Hmm..too much
> spinning. Can you stop the room, please? In a sense, it's annoying,
> because there's not a whole lot in the 'plot' sense, and you feel a
> buttload more coming on in the near future. It's largely setup. But it's
> good setup, so..
I may have thought better of this ep if I had not been spoiled for the
boinkage, however I stumbled across it a few weeks ago on a site that
doesn't normally carry this sort of thing, Grrrr.
>
> Wonder when I'll get my grubby little fingers on Angel 3ADH09...
>
I've not bothered with the encode posted so far, going to wait for the
usuals to become available. Good things come to those who wait etc. I'm
hoping for another strike from The Tim Reaper, but I'll just have to wait
and see.
Stephen
Mattia Valente
Sure thing....
> > Pffff.........what to think of this? I'll go with Dork Boy Who's Name I
> > Don't Know:
> >
> > "Whoa, Headrush."
>
> I'll go with that.
Heh.
> Quite a long "Previously" wasn't it.
Yes, quite. Those are the best kind though, which is why cutting them is
Evol. Although it did pretty much tell you 'look! Amys' back!!'
> > Okay, so we actually DID get the annoying beginning of episode 'well,
> > the kiss meant nothing' and the end of episode smoochies. Well, break
> > down the house wild sex, anyway. Ye gods..Oh, yeah, and Amy showed up.
> > And, unfortunatley, so did the Nerd Troika. Didn't bother me uber much
> > this time, though. Too busy letting my head, y'know, spin.
>
> Ugh, Dork Squad again. Not quite so bad this time, but they didn't have so
> much time devoted to them.
They had just the right amount of time devoted to them, tilting slightly
towards 'too much'. Keep it at about this level, we should be OK. Go all
'Life Serial' on me, and I'm far, far less amused.
> > Okay, so, deratting Amy, very very simple. Hmm. Why didn't she do this
> > before? And, uh, Amy seems to be just as bad - if not worse than - as
> > Willow where flippant use of Magicks is concerned.
>
> Well she was doing Magical Homework back in S2.
Very true..
> I would have liked to have seen more fallout from her discovery that it has
> been three years, but it does look like she will be here for a while, so
> they can do that later.
Agreed. I was, to be honest, surprised that we brought Amy back, and
then promptly went on to focus on something entirely different. Mind
you, not that I'm dissapointed this is what happened, far from it..
> > Tara's all torn up about it, and isn't the Tara/Dawn thing cute (mind
> > OUT of gutter, you pervert..)? Not gonig too well. I'm wondering if Tara
> > and Dawn know about Amy (I'm guessing 'no', but that would be
> > weird..timeline's a little blurred..) and if Amy knows about Dawn. Do
> > Rat memories get altered too?
>
> Also, how much of being a rat does she remember. She seems to have a
> residual aversion to cheese and big wheels, but hasn't mentioned much more.
No, other than thinking it was only a few weeks, not a lot of detail
forthcoming. Buffy didn't seem to remember a whole lot about her very
brief stint as a rat, to be certain. Rat's intellect, and all that. No
sense of time, perhaps?
(grmblgrmbl....why did Amy have to be neatly curled up on the
bed...grmblgrmbl...)
> > Gah. As soon as they popped up in the 'Previously On..' segment I
> > cringed. Bah. Then we got some funny, but rather silly 'Lone Gunmen'
> > spoof (which, I know, is a spoof itself, but I'm not gonna say mission
> > impossible.), Batman villain weapons (yawn..) and extremely dorky
> > dialogue. Jonathan is beginning to bug me, that other kid is annoying,
> > Warren's the only one I can halfway stand, because he actually seems to
> > have a *brain*. Right. So they've got a plan. Involves a diamond. Right.
> > An 'Alan Parsons Project'..err..Laser or something? We'll see, I guess.
> > Bah. On the bright side, perhaps chipsville ending is in sight.
>
> If they can make Robots hat can pass convincingly as human, evil lint that
> warps time (with self destruct), and freeze rays, why are they bothering
> with Sunnydale and Buffy? They just don't seem to have any ambition.
They're quite deeply stupid on most conventional levels. Patent a few
things, and you'll be rich and famous and babes will lie at your feet.
Or something.
> > Drew Greenberg is evil. Spike hits Buffy, doesn't feel pain, goes out to
> > feed, I'm whooping and cheering! YESS!! For a moment there, I was afraid
> > they'd do a redemptionist "aw, darn, I can't eat this girl" thing, but
> > they made it worse, made it more confusing: he tries, but fails. Off to
> > Dorks Inc. Chip's working (Damn. And why do they have all this hi-tech
> > crap? Ah well..) Oh, and darn. Now Spike knows of them. The link Scoobs
> > -> Spike -> Dorks has been established. Let's hope they dechip him and
> > he kills them. Aaaah....
> >
> > ARGH! But then, 'oooh!', more chills: is Buffy 'wrong'? Or is there a
> > way to get around the chip? And, is Buffy 'wrong'????
> > Hmmm...consequences? Odness? The plot's getting thicker, and I have no
> > clue where we're going. I LIKE it. What I hate is that we may well have
> > to wait about 2 months before we get anything new. Well, perhaps one new
> > one in a coupla weeks, but it looks like rerun hell is upon us (ARGH!!)
>
> Yeah, I like the fact that they've worked this. Spike's chip isn't firing
> because Buffy's come back not quite so human. I guess we'll find out exactly
> what she has come back as at the end of February sweeps, and fix it for the
> end of May.
Cynic....or rather, realist. Of course, we could go all 'Angel' and wrap
it up by ep 16 or so and proceed to do something Completely
Different[tm] for the final five.
;-)
> BTW, new ep next week, trailer is up.
Downloaded, rigorously didn't watch.
> > Right, Buffy's all screwed up. She knows it's wrong, she knows it's a
> > bad choice, but she's still really goofed about it. She wants to confide
> > in Willow, but finds she can't. She almost comes clean with X and A, but
> > instead gets nervous and all that. And then, the revelation that Spike
> > can hurt her. First, shock, horror, he's back, and he's evil. Next, he
> > can only hurt her. And she can't really deal.
> >
> > Then what? A nifty Matrix-y fight sequence
>
> If you say so.
Explained later. Or something. And with a light dose of jokey fun
sarcasm or something.
> > (well, walls 'n things, not
> > the rest) complete with some mildly reminicsent music (maybe it's just
> > me..) and holy CRAP. Onscreen boinkage. And it's pretty rough. Looks
> > like an urgent need, basic drive, lust perhaps, but not love. At least,
> > that's not what it looked like to me. It's....disturbing. And the most
> > explicit thing since the Buffybot scenes. Heck, perhaps more explicit.
> > Couple (hehe...'couple') that to the visual pyrotechnics and the house
> > breaking down....whoa.
>
> Cue the kiss/denial loop again, only this time it's boink/denial. Buffy
You predict we get more of this next week, you mean? Or just stating the
state of things now?
> clearly realises that what she is doing is wrong, you can Xander and Anya's
> words hitting home in the magic shop. Question is how much of this going
> wild is down to Buffy and the trauma of what she has been through, and how
> much is down to her coming back "wrong"?
Combination of factors, I guess. How much is she going to try to blame
on the fact that she might've come back wrong (if she's even
contemplating the option, that is..)
> > My head, as mentioned, is spinning. I'm gonna need to start my
> > rewatches, or something.
> >
> > As for the title: smashed, eh? Not sure I get it. Hmm..too much
> > spinning. Can you stop the room, please? In a sense, it's annoying,
> > because there's not a whole lot in the 'plot' sense, and you feel a
> > buttload more coming on in the near future. It's largely setup. But it's
> > good setup, so..
>
> I may have thought better of this ep if I had not been spoiled for the
> boinkage, however I stumbled across it a few weeks ago on a site that
> doesn't normally carry this sort of thing, Grrrr.
Bah bah bah bah....spoilers suck. I'm glad I wasn't spoiled because,
well, I was very surprised at the turn of events. More than once.
Several times. Bit of a rollercoaster ride. And I still have no clue
where it's going to go from here, which can only be a good thing. Around
this ep time last year (well, I was behind on the US schedule..) I'd
been spoiled for 'The Body'. Bad, that.
> > Wonder when I'll get my grubby little fingers on Angel 3ADH09...
>
> I've not bothered with the encode posted so far, going to wait for the
> usuals to become available. Good things come to those who wait etc. I'm
> hoping for another strike from The Tim Reaper, but I'll just have to wait
> and see.
Ominous title...but then again, we ARE talking about Mr. Doyle Killer
himself (all hail Tim!)
Sieue
Hehe, no such fear here, i just started a new thread - you guys don't have
to reply to it though.
> > > Pffff.........what to think of this? I'll go with Dork Boy Who's Name
I
> > > Don't Know:
> > >
> > > "Whoa, Headrush."
> >
> > I'll go with that.
>
> Heh.
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see not enough exclamation marks from the boys here.
> > Quite a long "Previously" wasn't it.
>
> Yes, quite. Those are the best kind though, which is why cutting them is
> Evol. Although it did pretty much tell you 'look! Amys' back!!'
I like them cos it means i can do all those last minute things, like make
tea and tidy up, while I'm waiting for the ep. The long the POB segments
are the tidier my room gets.
> > > Okay, so we actually DID get the annoying beginning of episode 'well,
> > > the kiss meant nothing' and the end of episode smoochies. Well, break
> > > down the house wild sex, anyway. Ye gods..Oh, yeah, and Amy showed up.
> > > And, unfortunatley, so did the Nerd Troika. Didn't bother me uber much
> > > this time, though. Too busy letting my head, y'know, spin.
> >
> > Ugh, Dork Squad again. Not quite so bad this time, but they didn't have
so
> > much time devoted to them.
>
> They had just the right amount of time devoted to them, tilting slightly
> towards 'too much'. Keep it at about this level, we should be OK. Go all
> 'Life Serial' on me, and I'm far, far less amused.
I like the Three Stooges. It nice ot see what theya re all up to this time,
although you really would have thought Jonathon would have learnt his lesson
by now. He should team up with Amy and Willow :)
> > > Okay, so, deratting Amy, very very simple. Hmm. Why didn't she do this
> > > before? And, uh, Amy seems to be just as bad - if not worse than - as
> > > Willow where flippant use of Magicks is concerned.
> >
> > Well she was doing Magical Homework back in S2.
>
> Very true..
And her mum was a very powerful witch.
> > I would have liked to have seen more fallout from her discovery that it
has
> > been three years, but it does look like she will be here for a while, so
> > they can do that later.
>
> Agreed. I was, to be honest, surprised that we brought Amy back, and
> then promptly went on to focus on something entirely different. Mind
> you, not that I'm dissapointed this is what happened, far from it..
Oh no, this was exactly right, because if you concentrated too much oin the
witch stuff you would have had to explain Willow a bit more - I get the
feeling we are building up to an ep dedicated on Willow again.
> > > Tara's all torn up about it, and isn't the Tara/Dawn thing cute (mind
> > > OUT of gutter, you pervert..)? Not gonig too well. I'm wondering if
Tara
> > > and Dawn know about Amy (I'm guessing 'no', but that would be
> > > weird..timeline's a little blurred..) and if Amy knows about Dawn. Do
> > > Rat memories get altered too?
> >
> > Also, how much of being a rat does she remember. She seems to have a
> > residual aversion to cheese and big wheels, but hasn't mentioned much
more.
>
> No, other than thinking it was only a few weeks, not a lot of detail
> forthcoming. Buffy didn't seem to remember a whole lot about her very
> brief stint as a rat, to be certain. Rat's intellect, and all that. No
> sense of time, perhaps?
>
> (grmblgrmbl....why did Amy have to be neatly curled up on the
> bed...grmblgrmbl...)
Oh yeah right Mattia, of course she could have come back naked and sprawled
across the bed, with everything out ofr the lads. Hurumph. Like thats
going to happen. Remember Angel and his naked return? And Buffy?
> > > Gah. As soon as they popped up in the 'Previously On..' segment I
> > > cringed. Bah. Then we got some funny, but rather silly 'Lone Gunmen'
> > > spoof (which, I know, is a spoof itself, but I'm not gonna say mission
> > > impossible.), Batman villain weapons (yawn..) and extremely dorky
> > > dialogue. Jonathan is beginning to bug me, that other kid is annoying,
> > > Warren's the only one I can halfway stand, because he actually seems
to
> > > have a *brain*. Right. So they've got a plan. Involves a diamond.
Right.
> > > An 'Alan Parsons Project'..err..Laser or something? We'll see, I
guess.
> > > Bah. On the bright side, perhaps chipsville ending is in sight.
> >
> > If they can make Robots hat can pass convincingly as human, evil lint
that
> > warps time (with self destruct), and freeze rays, why are they bothering
> > with Sunnydale and Buffy? They just don't seem to have any ambition.
>
> They're quite deeply stupid on most conventional levels. Patent a few
> things, and you'll be rich and famous and babes will lie at your feet.
> Or something.
Or get a really good job - these guys are not just bright - but superbright.
Why haven't they been headhunted and offered the world. What on earth are
they doing still in Sunnydale. Especially Warren.
Hmmm doesn't that only happen when someone has leaked the plot out early and
they have to rewrite the last 4 eps of the show?
> > BTW, new ep next week, trailer is up.
>
> Downloaded, rigorously didn't watch.
Not downloaded.
> > > Right, Buffy's all screwed up. She knows it's wrong, she knows it's a
> > > bad choice, but she's still really goofed about it. She wants to
confide
> > > in Willow, but finds she can't. She almost comes clean with X and A,
but
> > > instead gets nervous and all that. And then, the revelation that Spike
> > > can hurt her. First, shock, horror, he's back, and he's evil. Next, he
> > > can only hurt her. And she can't really deal.
> > >
> > > Then what? A nifty Matrix-y fight sequence
> >
> > If you say so.
>
> Explained later. Or something. And with a light dose of jokey fun
> sarcasm or something.
And verbosity ;)
> > > (well, walls 'n things, not
> > > the rest) complete with some mildly reminicsent music (maybe it's just
> > > me..) and holy CRAP. Onscreen boinkage. And it's pretty rough. Looks
> > > like an urgent need, basic drive, lust perhaps, but not love. At
least,
> > > that's not what it looked like to me. It's....disturbing. And the most
> > > explicit thing since the Buffybot scenes. Heck, perhaps more explicit.
> > > Couple (hehe...'couple') that to the visual pyrotechnics and the house
> > > breaking down....whoa.
> >
> > Cue the kiss/denial loop again, only this time it's boink/denial. Buffy
>
> You predict we get more of this next week, you mean? Or just stating the
> state of things now?
I agree that we aren't now going straight to a Buffy/Spike getting married
again scene. There has to be consequences of this. And Buffy isn't just
going to declare undying love - there will be angst and torment and a lot of
whining.
> > clearly realises that what she is doing is wrong, you can Xander and
Anya's
> > words hitting home in the magic shop. Question is how much of this going
> > wild is down to Buffy and the trauma of what she has been through, and
how
> > much is down to her coming back "wrong"?
>
> Combination of factors, I guess. How much is she going to try to blame
> on the fact that she might've come back wrong (if she's even
> contemplating the option, that is..)
Not wrong - just different. Not totally human - part key or something.
> > > My head, as mentioned, is spinning. I'm gonna need to start my
> > > rewatches, or something.
> > >
> > > As for the title: smashed, eh? Not sure I get it. Hmm..too much
> > > spinning. Can you stop the room, please? In a sense, it's annoying,
> > > because there's not a whole lot in the 'plot' sense, and you feel a
> > > buttload more coming on in the near future. It's largely setup. But
it's
> > > good setup, so..
> >
> > I may have thought better of this ep if I had not been spoiled for the
> > boinkage, however I stumbled across it a few weeks ago on a site that
> > doesn't normally carry this sort of thing, Grrrr.
>
> Bah bah bah bah....spoilers suck. I'm glad I wasn't spoiled because,
> well, I was very surprised at the turn of events. More than once.
> Several times. Bit of a rollercoaster ride. And I still have no clue
> where it's going to go from here, which can only be a good thing. Around
> this ep time last year (well, I was behind on the US schedule..) I'd
> been spoiled for 'The Body'. Bad, that.
Oh totally unspoiled me. Surprisingly.
> > > Wonder when I'll get my grubby little fingers on Angel 3ADH09...
> >
> > I've not bothered with the encode posted so far, going to wait for the
> > usuals to become available. Good things come to those who wait etc. I'm
> > hoping for another strike from The Tim Reaper, but I'll just have to
wait
> > and see.
>
> Ominous title...but then again, we ARE talking about Mr. Doyle Killer
> himself (all hail Tim!)
I WANT my 3:09 ep - c'mon Grace start posting dammit.
Sieue
--
Trust in Tim, Trust in Tim, no acronyms please
Mattia Valente
More is good, but not always necessary...and, not reply? Me? Maybe not
right away, though, because I'm about to go watch 'Lullabye'...
> > > > Pffff.........what to think of this? I'll go with Dork Boy Who's Name
> > > > I Don't Know:
> > > >
> > > > "Whoa, Headrush."
> > >
> > > I'll go with that.
> >
> > Heh.
>
> WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see not enough exclamation marks from the boys here.
:-p
On a side note, the fact that I don't even care enough to go look up
Dork Boy Who's Name I Don't Know's name should tell you something...
> > > Quite a long "Previously" wasn't it.
> >
> > Yes, quite. Those are the best kind though, which is why cutting them is
> > Evol. Although it did pretty much tell you 'look! Amys' back!!'
>
> I like them cos it means i can do all those last minute things, like make
> tea and tidy up, while I'm waiting for the ep. The long the POB segments
> are the tidier my room gets.
Oh dear god....you must LOVE S3, then: "I'll go out on a limb and say
there's a new Slayer in town." In case we'd missed it the, oh, first 10
times. And hadn't figured out there was a 'Faith' arc.
> > > Ugh, Dork Squad again. Not quite so bad this time, but they didn't have
> > > so much time devoted to them.
> >
> > They had just the right amount of time devoted to them, tilting slightly
> > towards 'too much'. Keep it at about this level, we should be OK. Go all
> > 'Life Serial' on me, and I'm far, far less amused.
>
> I like the Three Stooges. It nice ot see what theya re all up to this time,
> although you really would have thought Jonathon would have learnt his lesson
> by now. He should team up with Amy and Willow :)
Oh dear god....
> > > Well she was doing Magical Homework back in S2.
> >
> > Very true..
>
> And her mum was a very powerful witch.
Yuppster.
> > Agreed. I was, to be honest, surprised that we brought Amy back, and
> > then promptly went on to focus on something entirely different. Mind
> > you, not that I'm dissapointed this is what happened, far from it..
>
> Oh no, this was exactly right, because if you concentrated too much oin the
> witch stuff you would have had to explain Willow a bit more - I get the
> feeling we are building up to an ep dedicated on Willow again.
Which isn't what I'd call a BAD thing, mind you...
> > (grmblgrmbl....why did Amy have to be neatly curled up on the
> > bed...grmblgrmbl...)
>
> Oh yeah right Mattia, of course she could have come back naked and sprawled
> across the bed, with everything out ofr the lads. Hurumph. Like thats
> going to happen. Remember Angel and his naked return? And Buffy?
Sue, stop bringing logic into this. It doesn't fit. ESPECIALLY not here.
(Why the hell does this argument sound so famliar...I'm quite sure I've
never used it before, so...)
> > They're quite deeply stupid on most conventional levels. Patent a few
> > things, and you'll be rich and famous and babes will lie at your feet.
> > Or something.
>
> Or get a really good job - these guys are not just bright - but superbright.
> Why haven't they been headhunted and offered the world. What on earth are
> they doing still in Sunnydale. Especially Warren.
Yes, most especially Warren. He's the only one with a modicum of social
skills, apparently. Then again, only in comparison to the other two,
so...
> > Cynic....or rather, realist. Of course, we could go all 'Angel' and wrap
> > it up by ep 16 or so and proceed to do something Completely
> > Different[tm] for the final five.
> >
> > ;-)
>
> Hmmm doesn't that only happen when someone has leaked the plot out early and
> they have to rewrite the last 4 eps of the show?
Um, no. You mean 'why was there no Darla after ep 16' for Angel?
> > > BTW, new ep next week, trailer is up.
> >
> > Downloaded, rigorously didn't watch.
>
> Not downloaded.
Promos belong on the VCDs.
> > > If you say so.
> >
> > Explained later. Or something. And with a light dose of jokey fun
> > sarcasm or something.
>
> And verbosity ;)
I'm so never going to live that down, am I?
> > > Cue the kiss/denial loop again, only this time it's boink/denial. Buffy
> >
> > You predict we get more of this next week, you mean? Or just stating the
> > state of things now?
>
> I agree that we aren't now going straight to a Buffy/Spike getting married
> again scene. There has to be consequences of this. And Buffy isn't just
> going to declare undying love - there will be angst and torment and a lot of
> whining.
Oh, good! That's the best kind. Personally though, I don't think she's
been whining all that much. Been rather taciturn of late, our stake
wielding little friend has...
> > Combination of factors, I guess. How much is she going to try to blame
> > on the fact that she might've come back wrong (if she's even
> > contemplating the option, that is..)
>
> Not wrong - just different. Not totally human - part key or something.
Oh dear....
> > Bah bah bah bah....spoilers suck. I'm glad I wasn't spoiled because,
> > well, I was very surprised at the turn of events. More than once.
> > Several times. Bit of a rollercoaster ride. And I still have no clue
> > where it's going to go from here, which can only be a good thing. Around
> > this ep time last year (well, I was behind on the US schedule..) I'd
> > been spoiled for 'The Body'. Bad, that.
>
> Oh totally unspoiled me. Surprisingly.
Wow. Color me impressed.
/me ducks and runs...
> > Ominous title...but then again, we ARE talking about Mr. Doyle Killer
> > himself (all hail Tim!)
>
> I WANT my 3:09 ep - c'mon Grace start posting dammit.
At the time you wrote this it was about 8 hours since Grace finished
capping. Oh, and it was something like 4AM. It's going up now, though...
Saskia
> > although you really would have thought Jonathon would have learnt his lesson
> > by now. He should team up with Amy and Willow :)
>
> Oh dear god....
Great idea!
> > > (grmblgrmbl....why did Amy have to be neatly curled up on the
> > > bed...grmblgrmbl...)
> >
> > Oh yeah right Mattia, of course she could have come back naked and sprawled
> > across the bed, with everything out ofr the lads. Hurumph. Like thats
> > going to happen. Remember Angel and his naked return? And Buffy?
>
> Sue, stop bringing logic into this. It doesn't fit. ESPECIALLY not here.
Would you like some quotes with that, Mattia?
:p
> > Or get a really good job - these guys are not just bright - but superbright.
> > Why haven't they been headhunted and offered the world. What on earth are
> > they doing still in Sunnydale. Especially Warren.
Because they're dorks with no self-esteem at all. You can be smarter than
anyone but you'll never ever get a good job if you're a geek with
self-worth issues (Oprah will tell you so too).
> > I WANT my 3:09 ep - c'mon Grace start posting dammit.
>
> At the time you wrote this it was about 8 hours since Grace finished
> capping. Oh, and it was something like 4AM. It's going up now, though...
Watched the wow encode. Picture qualitywise about the same as Grace's, but
a pain in the ass to get (download took *13* hours!! tssss)
--
Saskia
Mattia Valente
Oh. Dear. God.
> > > > (grmblgrmbl....why did Amy have to be neatly curled up on the
> > > > bed...grmblgrmbl...)
> > >
> > > Oh yeah right Mattia, of course she could have come back naked and sprawled
> > > across the bed, with everything out ofr the lads. Hurumph. Like thats
> > > going to happen. Remember Angel and his naked return? And Buffy?
> >
> > Sue, stop bringing logic into this. It doesn't fit. ESPECIALLY not here.
>
> Would you like some quotes with that, Mattia?
If you've get them, bring 'em on. Buffy and/or Angel quotes, obviously.
Besides the classic "Thank you, logic boy. Did I mention this is a rant?
Sense really has no place in it." that is..
> :p
<eg>
> > > Or get a really good job - these guys are not just bright - but superbright.
> > > Why haven't they been headhunted and offered the world. What on earth are
> > > they doing still in Sunnydale. Especially Warren.
>
> Because they're dorks with no self-esteem at all. You can be smarter than
> anyone but you'll never ever get a good job if you're a geek with
> self-worth issues (Oprah will tell you so too).
Oprah Schmoprah...
> > > I WANT my 3:09 ep - c'mon Grace start posting dammit.
> >
> > At the time you wrote this it was about 8 hours since Grace finished
> > capping. Oh, and it was something like 4AM. It's going up now, though...
>
> Watched the wow encode. Picture qualitywise about the same as Grace's, but
> a pain in the ass to get (download took *13* hours!! tssss)
Yikes. I got mine and watched it. Stood in line for about 5, downloaded
in 2. Picture quality wise, it's a good bit softer than Grace's, anyway.
Different. Good, but different. Oh, and stereo.
Richard Gadsden
> You know what she did with that computer was also really frightfully
> powerful.
"Virtual Adept"
--
Richard Gadsden
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire