Graduation Day II
Peter Kleiweg
spoilers for: Graduation Day II
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Still nothing from George, so I'll have a go.
The first 10 minutes of this episode were among the best moments
of all season 3. I knew this was coming (damned spoilers on
alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, that was the last time I read *that* ng),
but it was much more intense than I expected. The rest was very
ordinary, a bit pointless. In all, this finale compares very
poorly to Becoming II.
I'm at a complete loss. There was all this fuss in the US about
this episode being cancelled for the violence in the school
court. I thought violence on American TV was about as ordinary
as Henny Huisman on Dutch TV, so I can't understand this
decision.
However, I heard no fuss at all about those first moments. Not
very extraordinary for Dutch viewers, but we don't expect these
things in American `family' shows. I'd have thought the TV
bosses at WB would have pulled the show for this blood feasting.
Or are they so prude they didn't even notice what was going on?
A question about the scene with Buffy and Faith back in Faith's
apartment (Buffy's vision): who was that figure appearing very
shortly on the bed, next to the cat?
Now we're at the end of the season, I want to get back to an
earlier episode: Band Candy. I remembered my main disappointed
with this excellent episode was the way things all got back to
normal, as if nothing happened. George assured us things were
*not* back to normal, but we'd have to wait and see. Well,
George, have I missed something? What hidden consequences did
Band Candy have on the rest of season 3?
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Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: xl -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
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Miriam Rocke
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: I'm at a complete loss. There was all this fuss in the US about
: this episode being cancelled for the violence in the school
: court. I thought violence on American TV was about as ordinary
: as Henny Huisman on Dutch TV, so I can't understand this
: decision.
Well, y'know, there were all these people that were planning to turn
into a snake on their graduation.
I think the WB was more doing a "We're covering our asses right now"
than having a specific reason. The explanation I saw a lot was that
if someone, anyone, did any sort of violence at a grad ceremony, the
media would blame Buffy and play clips of the students fighting and
bringing weaponry. Never mind that flame-tipped arrows are not the
weapon of choice for schoolground killers [they're unwieldy and have a
slow reload time, if nothing else <g>]; they just didn't want to be
blamed if anything happened. Especially in the months after
Littleton, the media has been *very* touchy about violence in the
media.
: A question about the scene with Buffy and Faith back in Faith's
: apartment (Buffy's vision): who was that figure appearing very
: shortly on the bed, next to the cat?
In place of the cat. I *think* it was Faith, or possibly Buffy, but I
assumed Faith-- that and the knife were flashes of reality.
: Now we're at the end of the season, I want to get back to an
: earlier episode: Band Candy.
<snip>
: George, have I missed something? What hidden consequences did
: Band Candy have on the rest of season 3?
Have you guys seen "Earshot" yet?
It hasn't affected the Main Storyline because the MS was either
Buffy/Angel or the whole Faith and the Mayor thing. But there have
been...affects. Like in Gingerbread and Amends, the slight
awkwardnesses between Giles and Joyce. Nothing major, but it wasn't
completely as it was pre-BC.
Mir
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Miriam Rocke "Just so we're clear, you guys
mrr...@ucdavis.edu know you're nuts, right?"
http://handel.cipic.ucdavis.edu/~mrrocke/ --BtVS, "Gingerbread"
Andrea
>
>Have you guys seen "Earshot" yet?
No. It'll be aired next week.
Andrea
(looking forward)
Andrea
>
>The first 10 minutes of this episode were among the best moments
>of all season 3. I knew this was coming (damned spoilers on
>alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, that was the last time I read *that* ng),
>but it was much more intense than I expected. The rest was very
>ordinary, a bit pointless. In all, this finale compares very
>poorly to Becoming II.
>
>this episode being cancelled for the violence in the school
>court. I thought violence on American TV was about as ordinary
>as Henny Huisman on Dutch TV, so I can't understand this
>decision.
Let's just say Americans are weird. :))
>
>However, I heard no fuss at all about those first moments. Not
>very extraordinary for Dutch viewers, but we don't expect these
>things in American `family' shows. I'd have thought the TV
>bosses at WB would have pulled the show for this blood feasting.
>Or are they so prude they didn't even notice what was going on?
Hehe.
>
>A question about the scene with Buffy and Faith back in Faith's
>apartment (Buffy's vision): who was that figure appearing very
>shortly on the bed, next to the cat?
I haven't the faintest, so it had me wondering too. Anybody?
>
>Now we're at the end of the season, I want to get back to an
>earlier episode: Band Candy. I remembered my main disappointed
>with this excellent episode was the way things all got back to
>normal, as if nothing happened. George assured us things were
>*not* back to normal, but we'd have to wait and see. Well,
>George, have I missed something? What hidden consequences did
>Band Candy have on the rest of season 3?
Yes, now that you mention it. George?
Andrea
Rob
Peter Kleiweg heeft geschreven in bericht ...
possibly the season.
>I'm at a complete loss. There was all this fuss in the US about
>this episode being cancelled for the violence in the school
>court. I thought violence on American TV was about as ordinary
>as Henny Huisman on Dutch TV, so I can't understand this
>decision.
>
Violence in the schoolcourt ? It was like an episode of The A-team. Very
sad.
>However, I heard no fuss at all about those first moments. Not
>very extraordinary for Dutch viewers, but we don't expect these
>things in American `family' shows. I'd have thought the TV
>bosses at WB would have pulled the show for this blood feasting.
>Or are they so prude they didn't even notice what was going on?
>
What did you think about the cold blooded stabbing of Faith by Buffy ?
(part one).
That was an unexpected event as well by American family show standards.
>A question about the scene with Buffy and Faith back in Faith's
>apartment (Buffy's vision): who was that figure appearing very
>shortly on the bed, next to the cat?
>
I thought it was Faith in a coma, because it was her apartement. But I'm
only guessing.
But who's cat was that. Faith's ? I can't remember seeing her with a cat
before. Or did the cat symbolise something. Possibly related to the
figure appearing briefly on the bed.
Rob
george van hal
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
Indeed. I said I'd post straight after the episode, but I had some
company so I only just finished watching the ep. Anyways I'm here now
<g>
> The first 10 minutes of this episode were among the best moments
> of all season 3. I knew this was coming (damned spoilers on
> alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, that was the last time I read *that* ng),
> but it was much more intense than I expected. The rest was very
> ordinary, a bit pointless. In all, this finale compares very
> poorly to Becoming II.
Well becoming II was more personal and because of that it had more
emotional impact, still graduation succeded in giving an epic feel to
the events occuring in the episode. The only other time I had this feel
was during prophecy girl, the season 1 finale. Still the last few
moments of the episode are very powerfull as well. I'm thinking of the
silent goodbye between angel and buffy now. My personal favorite moment
(call me weird) is the last scene. Oz saying "Take a moment to deal with
this, we survived." Buffy replying "Yeah, it was a hell of a battle" and
oz finally saying "Not the battle......highschool". I really felt that
that was the best summary of the whole 3 seasons of buffy. If you look
beyong personal conflicts and emotional growth the show has been about
surviving the horrors of highschool. I feel this bit of dialoque really
pointed that out again...
> I'm at a complete loss. There was all this fuss in the US about
> this episode being cancelled for the violence in the school
> court. I thought violence on American TV was about as ordinary
> as Henny Huisman on Dutch TV, so I can't understand this
> decision.
Neither can I, neither can joss even. I'd say the pulling was pointless
(as oposed to the pulling of earshot, which gets aired next week).
> However, I heard no fuss at all about those first moments. Not
> very extraordinary for Dutch viewers, but we don't expect these
> things in American `family' shows. I'd have thought the TV
> bosses at WB would have pulled the show for this blood feasting.
> Or are they so prude they didn't even notice what was going on?
I know! I totally expected the WB to cut that in final airing. I believe
this was the scene joss was refering too when he said they missed a part
in the editing <g>. Expect this to never see the light of day on any
british channel though...
> A question about the scene with Buffy and Faith back in Faith's
> apartment (Buffy's vision): who was that figure appearing very
> shortly on the bed, next to the cat?
Either buffy or faith, but I'm placing my bet on faith. The knive that
buffy saw was used later on in the ep. Seeing faith would've made sense
because she later goes to her bed..
> Now we're at the end of the season, I want to get back to an
> earlier episode: Band Candy. I remembered my main disappointed
> with this excellent episode was the way things all got back to
> normal, as if nothing happened. George assured us things were
> *not* back to normal, but we'd have to wait and see. Well,
> George, have I missed something? What hidden consequences did
> Band Candy have on the rest of season 3?
Well like miriam said, things were not back to normal, but it was on a
more personal level. The ackwardness between joyce and giles being one
of these things, plus of course one of the funniest moments in buffy
this far is by consequence of band candy, buyt you'll have to wait to
see that next week. I apologise if I gave the impresion that band candy
had mayor consequences for the rest of season 3. I didn't want to raise
false hopes.
See Ya,
George
Willem Tel
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>Violence in the schoolcourt ? It was like an episode of The A-team. Very
>sad.
Well, not exactly like the A-Team, because a lot of people (or at
least a few :-) were killed, and you won't see that in the A-Team.
But I do agree with you that it was all a little disappointing. Not
just the scenes of the fight itself, but also the aftermath.
>What did you think about the cold blooded stabbing of Faith by Buffy ?
>(part one).
>That was an unexpected event as well by American family show standards.
Yes, but for me it was completely screwed up in part II, where Faith
is still alive (even though she was said to be in a coma with no hope
of healing). I'm sorry Joss Whedon didn't dare to go through in that
direction.
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Willem
Willem Tel
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>>A question about the scene with Buffy and Faith back in Faith's
>>apartment (Buffy's vision): who was that figure appearing very
>>shortly on the bed, next to the cat?
>
>I haven't the faintest, so it had me wondering too. Anybody?
It was Faith (as she was lying in the hospital). During her brief
appearing, the cat disappeared, as if replacing it. Maybe Buffy's
remarks about the cat (who's gone take care of him?) and the cat
itself were in fact symbolic for Faith? Faith is still in a coma and
has no one left, so who will take care of her now?
If anyone has a better expanation, just shoot!
>>What hidden consequences did
>>Band Candy have on the rest of season 3?
>
>Yes, now that you mention it. George?
Wait for "Earshots". The consequences don't influence the major/mayor
storyline.
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Willem