Angel 1.16 The Ring (SPOILERS)
Mattia Valente
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> Yesssss!
> P@rick <P.J.Mee...@students.fss.VampWillow.uu.nl> enriched us
> with:
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> > We had to wait two months for a new Angel ep. So, FOCKS8 figured,
> why not
> > let them wait a few minutes longer?
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> > Now I'm not sure, and I haven't seen it in quite a while, but does Angel
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> I'd say so too. There's a small part where Angel actually "lsmiles".
> Yakh.
It was like that already in 'The Prodigal.' Dunno about the eps before
that. Did notice the smile though ;-)
> Sleightly negative i though, was the ease with which he stepped along
> the kill. Could (*not* should) be more exaggerated.
Not really. Blood had that effect on him (bloodlust and all that..)
basically, brought out the Vampy feelings that we know he still has,
although he does control jimself quite well. After that, he was driving
on instinct. It WAS a big jump, though.
> Not only about the future, the Pit-fight (or ring-x) was *the* thing
> he should not pay any attention to anymore... That's why he chose to
> go back. While he still could too btw.
I still think it was a really weird choice to make, especially before he
heard the measures that W&H was going to employ to hold him to his
agreement.
> Like the new Wesley, but i already saw some of this superdogood
> behaviour earlier on.
Well, he's getting better where interventions are concerned, but he's
still a klutz.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Mattia Valente
Hmmm..interesting. All that long wait and hardly anyone responded? Only
one measly thread (no offence, Patrick. Really..), that it? Or is my
newsserver not picking anything up (only 4 new messages, 2 of them
spammy, since Angel aired..)
> We had to wait two months for a new Angel ep. So, FOCKS8 figured, why not
> let them wait a few minutes longer?
:-) I videoed it (As usual, I'm not home on Monday evenings..) so that
didn't really bug me. BTW, you misspelled that TV station's name..its a
U not an O ;-))
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> Now I'm not sure, and I haven't seen it in quite a while, but does Angel
> have a new leader?
Hmmm...you mean title sequence, right? I'll go do a side by side with
the Prodigal right now...no difference I can detect there, sorry. Did
they change it twice post Wesley's entrace/post Doyle? Or only once? I'm
not gonna go through all the old tapes to find out though..Vidiot have
that stuff somewhere?
> Angel gets in another fight with demons. Nothing new, he does that all the
> time. But now he's fighting inside a ring and he's a captive slave, just
> like the other demons. A magic bracelet prevents them from escaping. Cross
> the red line and zzapp! Although you can reach out and grab a person on the
> other side, only getting zapped a little. Whatever, you don't know if you
> don't try right?
Right...that bit was a little odd, considering how effective the
bracelet was in dusting other beings, demonic or not. Of course, that's
not really a big issue with fiction :-p
> I have to say, that Darin guy did not only fool our heroes. I didn't see
> that one coming before I saw him alongside his 'brother' Jack. That Darin
> turns out to be the real baddy is less of a surprise.
Well, after we see him next to his brother, no it doesn't seem like much
of a surprise. Kind of a stereotypical kind of character, one who will
do anything (quite literaly) to get what he wants (which is money and
power, basically. Mainly money, though ;-)
> Of course, Angel don't want to fight for some rich and spoiled assholes.
> He's too old for that. He's lived too long and seen to much to be fooled
> around with like that. I think he'd literally rather die. This, and his
> sense of justice of course, makes him determined to get out of captivity.
> And he's not leaving the others behind. Normally, on the street, he wouldn't
> hesitate to kill all of them. But this is a different ballgame. Now the
> demons are the victims, and he's one of them.
Right. It makes it a little odd, though. He's all for saving these
demons, although he'd probably go off and hunt a good deal of them down
on the outside. They don't all seem like nice a friendly, peacful types,
if you catch my drift. BTW, makeup work was good in this ep. Better than
usual, IMHO.
> Nobody deserves to be trated
> like that, no living being anyway. And hey, those demons are innocent until
> proven otherwise. If we have learned one thing from watching Angel, it's
> that demons come in all shapes and sizes. Good ones, bad ones and probably
> some in between. This must be in a nutshell what Angel was thinking when he
> decided not to rest untill all slaves are free.
Right..how very just of him. Still weird, although it does explain it.
The way he went about it was a little less that logical though, if you
ask me. I mean, just take the freedom, tell W&H to go F*** themselves
(come on, honor among thieves? Puh-lease...) and go find his sidekicks
and work out a plan. Counting on being able to convert the demons on the
inside is a little too much, and is the hard way out. Maybe he's still
doing that self-flagellation thing....
> Ok, so he was bailed by Lilah. Or, to refrase that, he was bought by Wolfram
> & Hart. Given back his freedom on the terms that he doesn't get in the way
> of W&H in the future.
She didn't say that. She said ignore the whole goings on in the Ring.
And as I said before, unless she has some way of binding him by some
mystical means (which is, of course, possible. Its the Big Demonic Law
Firm after all ;-) just tell her yes and do it anyway...
> For Angel, that ain't much of an improvement. Again,
> he's too old and has been through too much to be played like that. He could
> have chosen to play along with the enemy, and kill them off when the time is
> right.
Whcih would have made more sense, IMHO.
> But he had some demon buddies to resque, and decided the best way to
> do that was from the inside out. The best choice? I don't know. Angel knows
No. Stupid choice, objectively speaking, and its only because of some
unexpected help from the sidekick people that it worked at all. He got
really lucky.
> best I guess. Or is his sense of reality blurred by his queste for
> redemption?
I think so.
> At first, the other demons don't want to hear of rebelling against their
> capturers. They don't have much faith in Angel's efforts. Even when Angel
> manages to take Jack hostage. The only way out is through 21 dead demons, as
> far as they are concerned. But in the end, Angel's call for uprisal seems to
> reach them.
No, not really, IMHO. Its Wesley's little key that really solves it.
> Instead of delivering the final blow to Angel, Trepkos halts and
> looks at the shouting crowd above. He is appalled by the sight of them, and
> instantly realises that Angel was right.
I interpreted that differently. Val Trepkos was impressed by his actions
in the end. I think he spared Angel because Angel spared him, showed
mercy. Bit of an internal struggle there, though. Through that, he
realized what you said.
> Fighting and killing to please
> those weak and pathetic humans, is not the way to go. Even when it could
> return you your freedom. Cribb has a slight change of heart too. Maybe he
> sees it as a perfect way to get back at his slavedrivers. Lord knows they
> should feel shitloads of hatred against them.
Cribb is an oppurtunist at heart. He has the key, so he's free to go.
And in a way, Angel did have some effect on him, or rather, I think,
seeing the events unfolding in the ring between Angel and Val Trepkos
had an effect. In the end though, I guess he figured they had a better
chance of getting out alive if they were all together, all free to fight
their jailors.
> If I'm not mistaken, I've seen a similar theme to this in a Star Trek
> episode. I'm sure someone else can fill me in on which one exactly. The
Possible. I've seen a similar theme in Gladiator ;-)
> demons coming around to Angel's way of thinking was something of a
> disappointment. But it made for a spectacular ending. I wonder if one of
I don't see it like that. Val Trepkos sort of did, in the end, but I'm
interpreting Cribb's motives as purely selfish. Setting everyone free is
best for all of them, no point in killing anyone else who could help you
get out..The ending was pretty good.
> those demons will cross Angel's path later this season. That would be fun,
> because Angel will probably have to kill it then.
:-))
> Check out Wesley the next generation! Where did that come from? Did the
Well, he's better than the old one, and a lot better than Wesley, ST:TNG
;-)
> writers decide he needed some upgrading on the WTGGTTTGG [1] front? Never
> seen him that Die Hard before, and so skillful for that matter.
Indeed. That was a bit too much of a good thing, IMHO. Mainly the scene
with the Loan Shark. Lots of skill there, whereas he's usually a klutz
(as is witnessed from pretty much all of his other actions in this ep
and others ;-)
> At least Cordelia and he make a comic couple. And some valuable sidekicks to
> Angel.
Yep. Great interaction between them. The whole Demon Database thing, and
the opening scenes, were pretty amusing.
> Looks like Angel is getting used to the singlight in LA. Pretty soon he'll
> be strolling on the beaches, looking for bikini-dressed damsels in distress.
Indirect sunlight is a very loose description, I guess :-))
> Next week Pamelea Anderson is attacked by a creature from the deep seas who
> feeds on silicone?
Next week's ep looks...really weird. Not sure what to make of the
preview. Of course, they tend to be pretty misleading as to actual
quality of the ep. Take the trailer for 'I've got you under my skin'
which made the ep look, well, cheesy, but it was actually a really good
(and disturbing) episode after all. Not what was expected. We shall
see...
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
There, I replied. Where IS everyone else? It wasn't that bad! Really!
Its kind of ironic that the 2 eps they stopped with before were some of
the better ones, and the ones they start up with are a little less than
stellar (at best..)
Jonathan Black
> :-) I videoed it (As usual, I'm not home on Monday evenings..)
> so that didn't really bug me. BTW, you misspelled that TV
> station's name..its a U not an O ;-))
I hear it didn't start 'till 20:41. What's up with that? Another
10+ minutes of my precious tape wasted. Shees. Anyway, I wasn't
in yesterday night either, nor am I tonight, nor will I likely be
tomorrow. I'm kind of busying myself with other stuff. Hanging
out on campus doing some actual studying and stuff, trying to
make a good start to the academic year (you know how it is, start
off with great intentions, in a couple of weeks I'll probably be
back to the old ways, cutting class, flunking stuff left, right
and centre, etc. BTW, congrats on your P, M, took me two years to
get mine, but I digress). Perhaps Thursday I'll get round to
watching this ep. I was planning to be late boy again, jumping in
towards the end of the week, revamping the threads with fresh
thoughts, as I used to do sometimes before the summer, but it
doesn't look like there'll be much there to revamp!
BTW, I don't suppose anyone would be willing to join me in a
say-NO-to-out-of-sync-broadcasting-campaign whereby we tape
FOX8's Angel eps and keep them on ice for about five weeks (4
weeks, 5 days, 23.5 hours to be more precise) for viewing no
sooner than after the correct BtVS ep has aired? Didn't think so.
I just wanted to say, *I'd* do that. I have the willpower.
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> Hmmm...you mean title sequence, right?
Yeah, leader's the Dutch word for title sequence I think. Well,
it's an English word, of course, but hey...
> I'll go do a side by side with the Prodigal right now...no
> difference I can detect there, sorry. Did they change it twice
> post Wesley's entrace/post Doyle? Or only once? I'm not gonna
> go through all the old tapes to find out though..Vidiot have
> that stuff somewhere?
Yep, <http://www.vidiot.com/Angel/>. He notes the two versions,
with Alexis replacing Glenn, but no further changes after that.
It's a safe bet that if there were any, he'd included them, so
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people are imagining things
here.
Well, that's it, I kinda stopped reading there, having not seen
the ep yet.
Bye,
--
J o N a T H a N
Mattia Valente
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> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:
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> > :-) I videoed it (As usual, I'm not home on Monday evenings..)
> > so that didn't really bug me. BTW, you misspelled that TV
> > station's name..its a U not an O ;-))
>
> I hear it didn't start 'till 20:41. What's up with that? Another
> 10+ minutes of my precious tape wasted. Shees. Anyway, I wasn't
Well, teletext had it billed for a later than usual 20:34, anyway..I
hate taping when I'm gone. Can't edit out commercials, junk, etc, and it
means one ep less per 4 hour tape :-(
> in yesterday night either, nor am I tonight, nor will I likely be
> tomorrow. I'm kind of busying myself with other stuff. Hanging
Shocking...are you going to at least watch charmed though? You know, you
can always stretch out dinner for an hour and watch while you eat (which
isn't the best way to enjoy an ep, but its ok ;)
> out on campus doing some actual studying and stuff, trying to
> make a good start to the academic year (you know how it is, start
> off with great intentions, in a couple of weeks I'll probably be
> back to the old ways, cutting class, flunking stuff left, right
> and centre, etc. BTW, congrats on your P, M, took me two years to
> get mine, but I digress).
Thanks..I know what you mean about slacking off though..went to college
and to the one COO lab on Monday, one professor is great, the other a
total bore, so...I didn't go today, the COO lab is useless unless you do
some studying first, which I haven't done yet. They're starting out hard
though, with 50% of the grade for this block depending on what I get on
a deeltoets farcamologie on monday (yes, next week monday...that's about
100 pages of dense, boring graphs and the like...ugh. Means I actually
have to work more than a week before the exam...;-))
> Perhaps Thursday I'll get round to
> watching this ep. I was planning to be late boy again, jumping in
> towards the end of the week, revamping the threads with fresh
> thoughts, as I used to do sometimes before the summer, but it
> doesn't look like there'll be much there to revamp!
Well, depends on how you like the ep, how you interpret some of the
things, of course... We'll know soon enough, won't we? Anyway, you have
the weekend sort of semi-avliable, don't you? Then again, that's a
looong time after monday.
> BTW, I don't suppose anyone would be willing to join me in a
> say-NO-to-out-of-sync-broadcasting-campaign whereby we tape
> FOX8's Angel eps and keep them on ice for about five weeks (4
> weeks, 5 days, 23.5 hours to be more precise) for viewing no
> sooner than after the correct BtVS ep has aired? Didn't think so.
Erm...Not really, no. It's too much fun to just watch the damn things.
I've been thinking of actually doing it because of the fact that it
seems watching Angel will spoil us in a sort of big way for Buffy eps,
which isn't really fun (OK, so I'm spoiled already so I can't really
argue that point ;-))
> I just wanted to say, *I'd* do that. I have the willpower.
Yeah, right. Oh, you mean you're really busy so it wouldn't really
matter anyway..Anyone else have the willpower? If others say yes, I'll
bite as well (I'll try, anyway ;-)
Kind of like all those other English words (the Superior Language[tm])
that have entered the dutch language, right? Especially those 4 letter
words :-p
> Yep, <http://www.vidiot.com/Angel/>. He notes the two versions,
> with Alexis replacing Glenn, but no further changes after that.
OK. Then its just them. Guess they were watching the old shows again
over the summer. Actually, I was paying close attention to the trailer.
Lots of those flashy thingies in there, more than you notice if you're
just sort of watching (works especially well, if you're TV is right next
to your head, distance roughly 30cm :-)
> It's a safe bet that if there were any, he'd included them, so
> I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people are imagining things
> here.
Ooh...limbs.
> Well, that's it, I kinda stopped reading there, having not seen
> the ep yet.
Fair enough..
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
george van hal
Mattia Valente wrote:
> "P@rick" wrote:
>
> Hmmm..interesting. All that long wait and hardly anyone responded? Only
> one measly thread (no offence, Patrick. Really..), that it? Or is my
> newsserver not picking anything up (only 4 new messages, 2 of them
> spammy, since Angel aired..)
I *really* wanted to respond. Even planned on starting a thread of my own. I
*literaly* turned on the compu to write the thing, when the phone rang. Fun was
going to be had. I was not going to miss it ;-)
Anyways, seeing a bit blury now. Did all sorts of uni stuff today, did some
studying and fanclub stuff tonight. Me = tired. I'll try to find the time to reply
to this thread tomorrow or at least some time this week (getting real busy all of
a sudden). Anyways for the record: I enjoyed the ep. Liked it a lot better than
"Doomed". Angel rules and our side-kick guy (who will remain nameless for the lack
of spoiler space ;-)) all of a sudden kicks ass. Anyways more replyage later....
See Ya,
George
Still here, only a bit more busy and stuffs.....
Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> > Hmmm..interesting. All that long wait and hardly anyone responded? Only
> > one measly thread (no offence, Patrick. Really..), that it? Or is my
> > newsserver not picking anything up (only 4 new messages, 2 of them
> > spammy, since Angel aired..)
>
> I *really* wanted to respond. Even planned on starting a thread of my own. I
So do it! More than one thread never killed anyone ;-)
> *literaly* turned on the compu to write the thing, when the phone rang. Fun was
> going to be had. I was not going to miss it ;-)
Excuse Schmexcuses....but, ok, good ones.
<CoJ Priest>You are forgiven, my son.</CoJ Preist>[1]
> Anyways, seeing a bit blury now. Did all sorts of uni stuff today, did some
> studying and fanclub stuff tonight.
Work like, sucks, don't it? ;-)
Oh, and George? I'm waiting for that special big promised message (its
been a while now....) with everything I ever wanted to know about the
fanclub but was afraid to ask. You know what I mean, right? Recall that
fateful post in tOG?
> Me = tired. I'll try to find the time to reply
> to this thread tomorrow or at least some time this week (getting real busy all of
> a sudden).
Life has a way of doing that. Want the FC info though...please? I'm too
lazy to go to the website. You know, learned that from you and all, oh
Lazy one...
> Anyways for the record: I enjoyed the ep. Liked it a lot better than
> "Doomed". Angel rules and our side-kick guy (who will remain nameless for the lack
> of spoiler space ;-)) all of a sudden kicks ass. Anyways more replyage later....
Good, we agree so far at least..or is that bad? That's like, boring,
right? Our Sidekick is a little inconsistent though. He's more useful at
least..;)
> George
> Still here, only a bit more busy and stuffs.....
Right...still no REAL response though, eh? You can do it! Really! :-))
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Actually kinda busy, but in denial, I guess..
wheez50
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> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:
> > > Now I'm not sure, and I haven't seen it in quite a while, but
> > > does Angel have a new leader?
> >
> > Hmmm...you mean title sequence, right?
>
> Yeah, leader's the Dutch word for title sequence I think. Well,
> it's an English word, of course, but hey...
Actually it's an "anglification"? There's a dutch word, but i dunno
it.
wheez50
P@rick
> "P@rick" wrote:
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> > Ok, so he was bailed by Lilah. Or, to refrase that, he was bought by
Wolfram
> > & Hart. Given back his freedom on the terms that he doesn't get in the
way
> > of W&H in the future.
>
> She didn't say that. She said ignore the whole goings on in the Ring.
<snip>
In this particular instance, yes. But I think she meant all other instances
where W&H are involved as well. Something like "you don't bother us, we
don't bother you". W&H is lawyerfirm enough to have that written down is
subscript.
> > But he had some demon buddies to resque, and decided the best way to
> > do that was from the inside out. The best choice? I don't know. Angel
knows
>
> No. Stupid choice, objectively speaking, and its only because of some
> unexpected help from the sidekick people that it worked at all. He got
> really lucky.
Hey, what are sidekicks for ;o) But he could have died easily in the ring.
I wonder if he would have mind all that much.
> > demons coming around to Angel's way of thinking was something of a
> > disappointment. But it made for a spectacular ending. I wonder if one of
>
> I don't see it like that. Val Trepkos sort of did, in the end, but I'm
> interpreting Cribb's motives as purely selfish. Setting everyone free is
> best for all of them, no point in killing anyone else who could help you
> get out..The ending was pretty good.
Yeah, I see the logic in that. And I think wanting to beat the shit out of
those guards played a roll too. Because they could have taken the back door,
the one Wesley came through.
> Mattia
> ReplyMeister[tm]
> There, I replied. Where IS everyone else? It wasn't that bad! Really!
> Its kind of ironic that the 2 eps they stopped with before were some of
> the better ones, and the ones they start up with are a little less than
> stellar (at best..)
I'm starting to think that new eps coinciding with start of academic year
has something to do with it ;o) The annual "This year I will study hard. No
really, I will!" has commenced. Give it a week or three...
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
<snip>
> and centre, etc. BTW, congrats on your P, M, took me two years to
> get mine, but I digress).
Yeah, nearly forgot. Congrats Mattia! Way to go! Getting your P in only one
year, wow. I took me four years to get mine....
> > > Now I'm not sure, and I haven't seen it in quite a while, but
> > > does Angel have a new leader?
> Yep, <http://www.vidiot.com/Angel/>. He notes the two versions,
> with Alexis replacing Glenn, but no further changes after that.
> It's a safe bet that if there were any, he'd included them, so
> I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people are imagining things
> here.
See, it has been too long since I have seen an Angel ep.
Bye, Patrick
Mattia Valente
Correct. But Angel can just pretend he doesn't read the subtext, IMHO.
That's what she meant, but didn't say it in so many words.
> > > But he had some demon buddies to resque, and decided the best way to
> > > do that was from the inside out. The best choice? I don't know. Angel knows
> >
> > No. Stupid choice, objectively speaking, and its only because of some
> > unexpected help from the sidekick people that it worked at all. He got
> > really lucky.
>
> Hey, what are sidekicks for ;o) But he could have died easily in the ring.
> I wonder if he would have mind all that much.
Well, in a way, not really, but in a way, I guess he would have minded.
I mean, he knows that people still count on him, he's not completely
asocial. Also, dying for no apparent reason, not fun. Then again, we
know Angel isn't the strongest hearted type of personality, if you know
what I mean..
> > I don't see it like that. Val Trepkos sort of did, in the end, but I'm
> > interpreting Cribb's motives as purely selfish. Setting everyone free is
> > best for all of them, no point in killing anyone else who could help you
> > get out..The ending was pretty good.
>
> Yeah, I see the logic in that. And I think wanting to beat the shit out of
> those guards played a roll too. Because they could have taken the back door,
> the one Wesley came through.
Correct. But were there other guards posted elswhere? Some sort of
respect did grow between them (that, and the illogical rage, wanting to
kick some serious jailor butt..)
> > Mattia
> > ReplyMeister[tm]
> > There, I replied. Where IS everyone else? It wasn't that bad! Really!
> > Its kind of ironic that the 2 eps they stopped with before were some of
> > the better ones, and the ones they start up with are a little less than
> > stellar (at best..)
>
> I'm starting to think that new eps coinciding with start of academic year
> has something to do with it ;o) The annual "This year I will study hard. No
> really, I will!" has commenced. Give it a week or three...
That's quite generous, really. 3 weeks? I'd say an average of one and a
half. I've already sort of decided I'm gonna slack. Hey, it worked last
year anyway, why not this time around? Well, except for the fact that I
have to study before next week monday, and quite a lot too...that's
gonna cut into my Angel, Buffy (twice) Dawson's Creek, Roswell(again,
twice) vieweing, to start with...Oh, and Starship Troopers, ST:TNG, DS9
and Farscape...OK, so I watch too much TV. :-p
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
TV Addict..sort of.
Mattia Valente
> Jonathan Black wrote:
> Yeah, nearly forgot. Congrats Mattia! Way to go! Getting your P in only one
> year, wow. I took me four years to get mine....
Thank you!
(this actually stays fun, you know? ;-)
BTW, what exactly are you up to now? Too lazy to go check your NKSF
page, you see...this is why we need an abe site.
> > Yep, <http://www.vidiot.com/Angel/>. He notes the two versions,
> > with Alexis replacing Glenn, but no further changes after that.
> > It's a safe bet that if there were any, he'd included them, so
> > I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people are imagining things
> > here.
>
> See, it has been too long since I have seen an Angel ep.
What, no random summer rewatches? I had fun with some 'Golden Oldies'
during the long months of waiting ;)
Mattia
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P@rick
> P@rick wrote:
> BTW, what exactly are you up to now? Too lazy to go check your NKSF
> page, you see...this is why we need an abe site.
You would be hard pressed to find my nksf page. Should send in my resume
some time, I think. How do I go about that Jonathan?
I'm writing my final paper at the mo. Should keep me busy until the end of
November I think.
> > See, it has been too long since I have seen an Angel ep.
>
> What, no random summer rewatches? I had fun with some 'Golden Oldies'
> during the long months of waiting ;)
Never taped the Angel eps <goes into a corner, ashamed> And when I realised
that Angel is as great as Buffy, I had missed an ep or eight. Right now I
think it's a waste of tapes to start recording them. Will buy the DVD's.
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
> <CoJ Priest>You are forgiven, my son.</CoJ Preist>[1]
Aaaaaw nooo! Don't do this to me!! Putting in a [1] and forgetting to follow
it up. I wanna know what a CoJ Priest is!!
> Oh, and George? I'm waiting for that special big promised message (its
> been a while now....) with everything I ever wanted to know about the
> fanclub but was afraid to ask. You know what I mean, right? Recall that
> fateful post in tOG?
<AOL> Me too! </AOL>
I tried the website, but it was kinda confusing. Did not answer all the
questions I had. Tell us all about this offer we shouldn't refuse. Please
plug, and make it a good one!
Bye, PAtrick
Mattia Valente
> Never taped the Angel eps <goes into a corner, ashamed> And when I realised
> that Angel is as great as Buffy, I had missed an ep or eight. Right now I
> think it's a waste of tapes to start recording them. Will buy the DVD's.
Well, I missed ep1, but I have all the others on tape.
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P@rick
> "P@rick" wrote:
> > I'm starting to think that new eps coinciding with start of academic
year
> > has something to do with it ;o) The annual "This year I will study
hard. No
> > really, I will!" has commenced. Give it a week or three...
>
> That's quite generous, really. 3 weeks? I'd say an average of one and a
> half. I've already sort of decided I'm gonna slack. Hey, it worked last
> year anyway, why not this time around?/
Hey, after scoring your P in one year, we expect you to score 42 points this
year! Get it?! And that will not interfere with your solemn duty on creating
and sustaining the a.b.e site and posting lots in the relevant groups. Am I
making myself clear?!
/ Well, except for the fact that I
> have to study before next week monday, and quite a lot too...that's
> gonna cut into my Angel, Buffy (twice) Dawson's Creek, Roswell(again,
> twice) vieweing, to start with...Oh, and Starship Troopers, ST:TNG, DS9
> and Farscape...OK, so I watch too much TV. :-p
*thump*
<climbs back in his chair>
That's overwhelming, sort of. I had to cut back. For me it's Buffy, Angel
and Farscape. And maybe Poltergeist the Legacy. Even the three beautiful
witch sisters can't persuade me to offer up more time.
Bye, Patrick
mmmm.. Holly Marie Combs mmmm...
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
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> > <CoJ Priest>You are forgiven, my son.</CoJ Preist>[1]
>
> Aaaaaw nooo! Don't do this to me!! Putting in a [1] and forgetting to follow
> it up. I wanna know what a CoJ Priest is!!
Jeesh...Church of Joss, of course! Duh....;-)
> <AOL> Me too! </AOL>
OK, my turn? AOL?
> I tried the website, but it was kinda confusing. Did not answer all the
> questions I had. Tell us all about this offer we shouldn't refuse. Please
> plug, and make it a good one!
Indeed..
Mattia
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Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente wrote:
> year! Get it?! And that will not interfere with your solemn duty on creating
> and sustaining the a.b.e site and posting lots in the relevant groups. Am I
> making myself clear?!
I guess...I don't work well under pressure though, so don't be starting
any of that, ok? ;-))
> / Well, except for the fact that I
> > have to study before next week monday, and quite a lot too...that's
> > gonna cut into my Angel, Buffy (twice) Dawson's Creek, Roswell(again,
> > twice) vieweing, to start with...Oh, and Starship Troopers, ST:TNG, DS9
> > and Farscape...OK, so I watch too much TV. :-p
>
> *thump*
>
> <climbs back in his chair>
That scary?
> That's overwhelming, sort of. I had to cut back. For me it's Buffy, Angel
> and Farscape. And maybe Poltergeist the Legacy. Even the three beautiful
> witch sisters can't persuade me to offer up more time.
Well, I sort of watched Charmed today, but I couldn't bring myself to
care too much. They started off with Bif Naked's lucky as soundtrack,
though.. :-))
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P@rick
> "P@rick" wrote:
> > <AOL> Me too! </AOL>
>
> OK, my turn? AOL?
AOL: America On Line. Connecting the mentally challenged to the internet.
AOL posters are notorious for quoting 26kB or more worth of text, and then
adding a "me too", or "m2" for the linguistically challenged, preferably
answering above the quote.
Bye, Patrick
Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente
> > "P@rick" wrote:
>
> > > <AOL> Me too! </AOL>
> >
> > OK, my turn? AOL?
>
> AOL: America On Line. Connecting the mentally challenged to the internet.
Ah. I was thinking something, I dunno, more deeply meaningful.
Trancendental type of thing..
> AOL posters are notorious for quoting 26kB or more worth of text, and then
> adding a "me too", or "m2" for the linguistically challenged, preferably
> answering above the quote.
Oh, that kind of behaviour. Wouldn't one of the new ones to use be
<WebTV> tags? ;o)
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Jonathan Black
> Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > P@rick wrote:
> >
> > BTW, what exactly are you up to now? Too lazy to go check
> > your NKSF page, you see...this is why we need an abe site.
>
> You would be hard pressed to find my nksf page. Should send in
> my resume some time, I think. How do I go about that Jonathan?
Just e-mail me your stuff any time you like. Plain text is fine,
and just attach any pictures you want to include. It's been a
while since we added any new people, so you'd be a welcome
addition.
--
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Mattia Valente
>
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > Well, I sort of watched Charmed today, but I couldn't bring
> > myself to care too much. They started off with Bif Naked's
> > lucky as soundtrack, though.. :-))
>
> that does. See, I said it all along, that show is a cheap rip-off
> of BtVS!!!
Hehe...and it seems Four Star Mary were in the ep as well (said Wheez, I
missed it.) Gets better 'n better don't it?
> Prue: "Oh, I hate cemetary's at night."
> Phoebe: "I hate cemetary's at day. What was that?"
> Prue: "Ah, probably a zombie or vampire."
> Phoebe: "Great, where's Buffy when you need her?"
I love that quote...its hilarious. I wasn't sure I'd heard right the
first time I saw it :)
Mattia
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Jonathan Black
> Jonathan Black wrote:
>
> > Prue: "Oh, I hate cemetary's at night."
> > Phoebe: "I hate cemetary's at day. What was that?"
> > Prue: "Ah, probably a zombie or vampire."
> > Phoebe: "Great, where's Buffy when you need her?"
>
> I love that quote...its hilarious. I wasn't sure I'd heard
> right the first time I saw it :)
Gee, and damn... looking at it more closely now, it seems I've
put too much trust in the transcript maker's spelling abilities
again (no offence to transcript makers, but I do come across
mistakes like this in their work from time to time). Obviously,
that should be "cemeteries", not "cemetary's". If anyone's
interested, I got Charmed transcripts from
<http://spellbound.cjb.net/>. Hey, and look at that, he seems to
have actually corrected one of the two mistakes in that word
since I downloaded them: it now says "cemetery's".
http://www.stas.net/shayf/charmed/power_of_two.htm
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J o N a T H a N
Cheerleaders: "T-O-M! It's Tom! Goooooo Tom!"
Xander: "They really are *very* good."
Oz: "Their spelling's improved."
--`Earshot'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
george van hal
Ok, gonna do the reply thing now ;-)
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> Now I'm not sure, and I haven't seen it in quite a while, but does Angel
> have a new leader?
Well, this has been awnsered allready, but I didn't think so when I saw
it........
> Angel gets in another fight with demons. Nothing new, he does that all the
> time.
Yep, thats where the title "Angel the Demon Slayer" comes from.
Ermmm ;-)
> But now he's fighting inside a ring and he's a captive slave, just
> like the other demons. A magic bracelet prevents them from escaping. Cross
> the red line and zzapp!
Reminded me of a movie, that. The one where prisoners have some sort of bracelet
thingy around their necks to prevent them from escaping. Cross the perimater and
the head goes "Boom". These type of things not really original, btw.
A few other examples where similar plot devices have been used (10 points to
anyone who knows both of 'em):
X-men (the comic, perhaps the cartoon as well. Never watched that, 'cause it
sucked when compared to the comics)
The Wheel of Time
Both of these were as far stretched as I could think 'em up, just to keep things
difficult ;-)
Anways, back to angel ;-)
> Although you can reach out and grab a person on the
> other side, only getting zapped a little. Whatever, you don't know if you
> don't try right?
Yeah. Thought that was weird. He has *no* idea how the bracelet works and still
tries that. Ah well, guess thats what heros are made off ;-)
> I have to say, that Darin guy did not only fool our heroes. I didn't see
> that one coming before I saw him alongside his 'brother' Jack. That Darin
> turns out to be the real baddy is less of a surprise.
Yup. Still surprising though.......
> But he had some demon buddies to resque, and decided the best way to
> do that was from the inside out. The best choice? I don't know. Angel knows
> best I guess. Or is his sense of reality blurred by his queste for
> redemption?
Weird. I mean, it was definatly not the best option. It was however, heroic
again......
<snip> some more agreeage. Sheesh p@rick (I've been writing that name wrong for
ages as well......) post some more controversial stuff for ages as well ;-)
> Check out Wesley the next generation! Where did that come from? Did the
> writers decide he needed some upgrading on the WTGGTTTGG [1] front? Never
> seen him that Die Hard before, and so skillful for that matter.
> At least Cordelia and he make a comic couple. And some valuable sidekicks to
> Angel.
Yep. Sorry to say this, but Welsey makes a way better sidekick than Doyle. He
really seems to be finding his place as a character. Me like much ;-)
Well, thats it. Still Dawson's Creek's in reruns (right???), so gonna be
watching "Judging Amy" till roswell starts (Yay!). Roswell's really pushing
itself up on my favorite shows list. Perhaps it'll get the highly deserved 3rd
or 4th place soon (for the record:
1) Buffy/Angel
2) S:AAB
3)Babylon 5
4) Roswell?????
Anyways really looking forward to new Roswell eps. Also, got to buy me that
theme tune soon, 'cause its really good....
See Ya,
George
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Black wrote:
> >
> > > Prue: "Oh, I hate cemetary's at night."
> > > Phoebe: "I hate cemetary's at day. What was that?"
> > > Prue: "Ah, probably a zombie or vampire."
> > > Phoebe: "Great, where's Buffy when you need her?"
> >
> > I love that quote...its hilarious. I wasn't sure I'd heard
> > right the first time I saw it :)
>
> Gee, and damn... looking at it more closely now, it seems I've
> put too much trust in the transcript maker's spelling abilities
> again (no offence to transcript makers, but I do come across
> mistakes like this in their work from time to time). Obviously,
And too often in my own work from time to time when I type too fast and
don't proofread. Its something that makes me cringe from time to time.
Like the incorrect usage of they're, their or there, for example. Not
really fun (found a couple of mistakes on my own web site...) If english
isn't your native language, that's one thing, if it is (and it is mine,
totally.) it's another.
> that should be "cemeteries", not "cemetary's". If anyone's
Bad grammar and spelling on the net...why doesn't that surprise me.
> interested, I got Charmed transcripts from
> <http://spellbound.cjb.net/>. Hey, and look at that, he seems to
Yay! Actually, have any links to to other nice little transcript sites?
All I have is the Buffy and Angel transcripts and a bunch of movie
transcripts at the moment...
> have actually corrected one of the two mistakes in that word
> since I downloaded them: it now says "cemetery's".
Well, the SPELLING is better now ;-)
> Cheerleaders: "T-O-M! It's Tom! Goooooo Tom!"
> Xander: "They really are *very* good."
> Oz: "Their spelling's improved."
:-))
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Mattia Valente
> Ok, gonna do the reply thing now ;-)
Yay!!
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> > Angel gets in another fight with demons. Nothing new, he does that all the
> > time.
>
> Yep, thats where the title "Angel the Demon Slayer" comes from.
<Dr. Evil>Riiiight......</Dr. Evil>
> > But now he's fighting inside a ring and he's a captive slave, just
> > like the other demons. A magic bracelet prevents them from escaping. Cross
> > the red line and zzapp!
>
> Reminded me of a movie, that. The one where prisoners have some sort of bracelet
> thingy around their necks to prevent them from escaping. Cross the perimater and
> the head goes "Boom". These type of things not really original, btw.
That was some Arnold Schwarzenneger movie, IIRC. Was it Running Man? I
think it was..not sure though. Indeed, though, originality isn't one of
this ep's defining features..
> A few other examples where similar plot devices have been used (10 points to
> anyone who knows both of 'em):
> X-men (the comic, perhaps the cartoon as well. Never watched that, 'cause it
> sucked when compared to the comics)
Well, you know, that island with them big robots and collars that
control mutant powers and all that..right? Extra points? So I don't know
the name of the damn Island (I could look it up, but that's cheating ;-)
Its in the cartoon as well.
> The Wheel of Time
Easy. Scheanchan chaining of Marath'damane and turning them into damane
to be controlled by means of a'dam necklace/bracelet terangreal..right?
Not sure about spelling and some words (particularly marath'damane...;-)
Next book out in novemder or something like that! Yay!
> Both of these were as far stretched as I could think 'em up, just to keep things
> difficult ;-)
Right, very stretched actually, since both of these example involve
control over the trapped person's powers. These bracelet thingies were
basically fancy schmancy manacles and chains (without the chains,
like...)
> Anways, back to angel ;-)
Right..
> > Although you can reach out and grab a person on the
> > other side, only getting zapped a little. Whatever, you don't know if you
> > don't try right?
>
> Yeah. Thought that was weird. He has *no* idea how the bracelet works and still
> tries that. Ah well, guess thats what heros are made off ;-)
Or fools...
> > But he had some demon buddies to resque, and decided the best way to
> > do that was from the inside out. The best choice? I don't know. Angel knows
> > best I guess. Or is his sense of reality blurred by his queste for
> > redemption?
>
> Weird. I mean, it was definatly not the best option. It was however, heroic
> again......
..and foolish!
> <snip> some more agreeage. Sheesh p@rick (I've been writing that name wrong for
> ages as well......) post some more controversial stuff for ages as well ;-)
DOn't feel bad, I think all of us have (except for him, of course..)
Funny how the eye sees what the mind expects.
> Yep. Sorry to say this, but Welsey makes a way better sidekick than Doyle. He
> really seems to be finding his place as a character. Me like much ;-)
Hey! Doyle was cool too! Different cool and useful in different ways,
but still. Better fighter than Wes when need be, and those hand sense
:-) I agree though, Wes is developing, although a little too quickly. He
goes from terribly klutzy to immensley comptent in the blink of an
eye...
> Well, thats it. Still Dawson's Creek's in reruns (right???), so gonna be
Yes, unfortunately. A few more weeks of repeats, looks like.
> watching "Judging Amy" till roswell starts (Yay!). Roswell's really pushing
Ditto. Stupid show though.
> itself up on my favorite shows list. Perhaps it'll get the highly deserved 3rd
> or 4th place soon (for the record:
Actually, I'm growing to like it more and more. Missed too many of the
later eps (last 4-5 or so..) though, which seemed nice. Busy and all
that. Well, I'm getting a second chance and time to videotape without
logos, subtitles and adds starting tomorrow! Oh, and BTW, is it called
Roswell or Roswell High? Just Roswell, right? Where did the High come
from then?
> 1) Buffy/Angel
Right. Only counts as one show?
> 2) S:AAB
Bastards cancelled that.
> 3)Babylon 5
Still need to watch that from the (sort of) beginning.
> 4) Roswell?????
:-)
> Anyways really looking forward to new Roswell eps. Also, got to buy me that
> theme tune soon, 'cause its really good....
Ever heard of napster? Anyway, tonights ep: LOTS of sexual energy
there...is this a recent development or what have I been missing lately?
Mattia
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george van hal
Mattia Valente wrote:
> george van hal wrote:
> > Ok, gonna do the reply thing now ;-)
>
> Yay!!
:-))
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[bracelets]
> > Reminded me of a movie, that. The one where prisoners have some sort of bracelet
> > thingy around their necks to prevent them from escaping. Cross the perimater and
> > the head goes "Boom". These type of things not really original, btw.
>
> That was some Arnold Schwarzenneger movie, IIRC. Was it Running Man? I
> think it was..not sure though.
Nope. Don't really think so. Could have been "Escape from Absolom" or something
similar......
Its been ages since I saw it (and being "gore" intolarant like I am, I was dreading
exploding heads all the time ;-))
> Indeed, though, originality isn't one of
> this ep's defining features..
Nope.....
> > A few other examples where similar plot devices have been used (10 points to
> > anyone who knows both of 'em):
> > X-men (the comic, perhaps the cartoon as well. Never watched that, 'cause it
> > sucked when compared to the comics)
>
> Well, you know, that island with them big robots and collars that
> control mutant powers and all that..right? Extra points? So I don't know
> the name of the damn Island (I could look it up, but that's cheating ;-)
Yup! And mattia scores 10 points. (Sad thing is, I knew the name of the island while I
was typing this, but can't remember it now. Really weird and all....)
> Its in the cartoon as well.
Yup. Probably out of synch with the events in the comic, and probably handled in that
annoying weak catroon way as well ;-)
> > The Wheel of Time
>
> Easy. Scheanchan chaining of Marath'damane and turning them into damane
> to be controlled by means of a'dam necklace/bracelet terangreal..right?
> Not sure about spelling and some words (particularly marath'damane...;-)
> Next book out in novemder or something like that! Yay!
Yup. Completly correct. Still avidly reading in WoT, btw. Only thing is I have almost
no time whatsoever. Still in book 4, somewhere around page 300 (Egwene's leaving for
the waste, Elayne and Nyneave are heading for Tanchino, Perrin is heading back to the
two rivers using the ways. Just to give you some idea of where I am in the story now
;-)). Should've been almost finished with book 8 now, if my original planning panned
out. Ah well.......
> > Both of these were as far stretched as I could think 'em up, just to keep things
> > difficult ;-)
>
> Right, very stretched actually, since both of these example involve
> control over the trapped person's powers. These bracelet thingies were
> basically fancy schmancy manacles and chains (without the chains,
> like...)
Yup. That was exactly the thing I was thinking about when I typed 'em up. Thats why I
added that "far stretched" comment :-)
> > Yep. Sorry to say this, but Welsey makes a way better sidekick than Doyle. He
> > really seems to be finding his place as a character. Me like much ;-)
>
> Hey! Doyle was cool too! Different cool and useful in different ways,
> but still. Better fighter than Wes when need be, and those hand sense
> :-)
Yup. But Doyle had that "not completly fitting" feel about him. He was very cool, and
I was sorry to see him go, but he allways had this awkwardish vibe. Sure that would've
changed it Joss had let him develop more......
> I agree though, Wes is developing, although a little too quickly. He
> goes from terribly klutzy to immensley comptent in the blink of an
> eye...
Yup. That was weird. But also very cool.......
> > Well, thats it. Still Dawson's Creek's in reruns (right???), so gonna be
>
> Yes, unfortunately. A few more weeks of repeats, looks like.
Indeed. Ah well, we have (in no particular order) Roswell, Buffy, Angel, Charmed, Star
Trek etc. etc. to make up for it ;-)
> > watching "Judging Amy" till roswell starts (Yay!). Roswell's really pushing
>
> Ditto. Stupid show though.
I liked it, btw. Wasn't the type of show I'd normaly watch, and not gonna watch it any
more when Dawson's Creek starts up again, but it was very competently produced, had
some nice story lines for an opening episode. Definatly something I'd tune into when
bored......
> > itself up on my favorite shows list. Perhaps it'll get the highly deserved 3rd
> > or 4th place soon (for the record:
>
> Actually, I'm growing to like it more and more. Missed too many of the
> later eps (last 4-5 or so..) though, which seemed nice. Busy and all
> that. Well, I'm getting a second chance and time to videotape without
> logos, subtitles and adds starting tomorrow!
Yup. Which is of the good :-) But you're right, Roswell is a really good show. Weird
ep tonight though......
> Oh, and BTW, is it called
> Roswell or Roswell High? Just Roswell, right? Where did the High come
> from then?
Ermm. First there were the books, which were called Roswell High if I'm not mistaken.
So thats where that came from......
> > 1) Buffy/Angel
>
> Right. Only counts as one show?
As far as I'm concerned it does. I mean what Buffy fan wouldn't place Angel on his or
her list or vice versa. Only discussion is which would be on top, Buffy or Angel
(ermmm......no not like that. Its the influance of that pesky roswell ep ;-))
> > 2) S:AAB
>
> Bastards cancelled that.
Yup. Really sucked, because it was so very incredibly *good*. Great storylines. Great
characters. Great cast. Great feel. Plus one of the onle shows (along with the rest of
the shows in this list) that really kept me on the edge of my seat. Also gave me
shivers from time to time, which is the sign of a great show. Roswell has yet to do
that, btw.....
> > 3)Babylon 5
>
> Still need to watch that from the (sort of) beginning.
You *so* need to do that. Only problem is, you could end up liking it more than any
other show and thus gain a new obsession. Lots of people complain its not pure sf and
that it has too much of a "fantasy" feel sometimes. Which is sorta what I liked. Apart
from the *great* arced storylines of course......
>> Anyways really looking forward to new Roswell eps. Also, got to buy me that
> > theme tune soon, 'cause its really good....
>
> Ever heard of napster? Anyway, tonights ep: LOTS of sexual energy
> there...is this a recent development or what have I been missing lately?
Napster. Yup. But I want this on cd, cause I'll probably like the cd enough to want to
take it with me sometimes.
Anyways, about the sexual energy: Just this ep. But sexual energy combined with shiri
appleby is *never* a bad thing. She most definatly is one of the most atracktive
actrices on tv today :-). Anyways, tonights Roswell was *really* weird. The ep before
this was weird as well (with a drunk Max). Perhaps its a new trend. Next weeks ep
looks good as well, even though it may have a bit cheapsy plot trick in the "the other
girl" scenario. Don't care though, prolly gonna enjoy it lots nonetheless.....
See Ya,
George
A closet Roswell-holic ;-)
Mattia Valente
There's definately an Arnold Schwartzeneger movie with exploding heads.
Anyone? Come on! Can't be that hard! That, or I'm really really really
confused. Escape from absolom didn't have exploding heads.
> Its been ages since I saw it (and being "gore" intolarant like I am, I was dreading
> exploding heads all the time ;-))
Only saw that once, not the movie I'm talking about. Maybe it was Total
Recall...no, sticking with Running Man (makes sense plotwise..escape
prisoner and all that.) Absolom was just some Island full of crazies or
something..
> > Indeed, though, originality isn't one of
> > this ep's defining features..
>
> Nope.....
:-)
> > Well, you know, that island with them big robots and collars that
> > control mutant powers and all that..right? Extra points? So I don't know
> > the name of the damn Island (I could look it up, but that's cheating ;-)
>
> Yup! And mattia scores 10 points. (Sad thing is, I knew the name of the island while I
> was typing this, but can't remember it now. Really weird and all....)
Indeed. Not that weird though, its not a particularly significant
detail. Its that Roswell stuff filling your head, I teel you!
> > Its in the cartoon as well.
>
> Yup. Probably out of synch with the events in the comic, and probably handled in that
> annoying weak catroon way as well ;-)
Hey! I LIKE the cartoon! And the movie isn't bad either..better than I
expected, to be honest.
> > Easy. Seanchan chaining of Marath'damane and turning them into damane
> > to be controlled by means of a'dam necklace/bracelet terangreal..right?
> > Not sure about spelling and some words (particularly marath'damane...;-)
> > Next book out in novemder or something like that! Yay!
>
> Yup. Completly correct. Still avidly reading in WoT, btw. Only thing is I have almost
> no time whatsoever. Still in book 4, somewhere around page 300 (Egwene's leaving for
The Shadow Rising? Nice book. Book 1 is one of the best, followed by
Book 6 (TeotW and LoC..I mean the Eye of the World and Lord of Chaos, of
course...) Time lack is annoying. I just turn in early, and read for an
hour before sleeping. Better than the crap on TV anyway..
> the waste, Elayne and Nyneave are heading for Tanchino, Perrin is heading back to the
Tanchico, isn't it? Whatever..and I think its Nynaeve. :-p
> two rivers using the ways. Just to give you some idea of where I am in the story now
> ;-)). Should've been almost finished with book 8 now, if my original planning panned
> out. Ah well.......
Its better this way..Less waiting without anything to read. I have part
3 of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' (MUST read) waiting for me, and then I'm
all out of new material again.
> Yup. But Doyle had that "not completly fitting" feel about him. He was very cool, and
> I was sorry to see him go, but he allways had this awkwardish vibe. Sure that would've
> changed it Joss had let him develop more......
I was about to say. Its not like Wesley fit in at first (by which I
really mean in Buffy. We got used to him.) Fit in badly with the Angel
gang in the beginning as well, though. Getting a lot better now...
> > I agree though, Wes is developing, although a little too quickly. He
> > goes from terribly klutzy to immensley comptent in the blink of an
> > eye...
>
> Yup. That was weird. But also very cool.......
Indeed.
> > > Well, thats it. Still Dawson's Creek's in reruns (right???), so gonna be
> >
> > Yes, unfortunately. A few more weeks of repeats, looks like.
>
> Indeed. Ah well, we have (in no particular order) Roswell, Buffy, Angel, Charmed, Star
> Trek etc. etc. to make up for it ;-)
Any new Star Trek though? All repeats, right? I know I've seen the DS9
ep before..
> > > watching "Judging Amy" till roswell starts (Yay!). Roswell's really pushing
> >
> > Ditto. Stupid show though.
>
> I liked it, btw. Wasn't the type of show I'd normaly watch, and not gonna watch it any
> more when Dawson's Creek starts up again, but it was very competently produced, had
> some nice story lines for an opening episode. Definatly something I'd tune into when
> bored......
When bored, I'd watch paint dry. I agree with the review in the Mikro
gids (No, I'm not catholic, its just really cheap ;-) saying its kind of
bland, not very original, cardboard characters, simple, like so many
other shows. Give me Party of Five any day for drama. Heck, even
Felicity (ok, which is comic..)
> > Actually, I'm growing to like it more and more. Missed too many of the
> > later eps (last 4-5 or so..) though, which seemed nice. Busy and all
> > that. Well, I'm getting a second chance and time to videotape without
> > logos, subtitles and adds starting tomorrow!
>
> Yup. Which is of the good :-) But you're right, Roswell is a really good show. Weird
> ep tonight though......
Indeed. Tomorrow is fun: The Prom and Roswell Pilot! Yay!
> > Oh, and BTW, is it called
> > Roswell or Roswell High? Just Roswell, right? Where did the High come
> > from then?
>
> Ermm. First there were the books, which were called Roswell High if I'm not mistaken.
> So thats where that came from......
Right...why does my TV guide have Roswell High in the BBC column, then?
> > > 1) Buffy/Angel
> >
> > Right. Only counts as one show?
>
> As far as I'm concerned it does. I mean what Buffy fan wouldn't place Angel on his or
> her list or vice versa. Only discussion is which would be on top, Buffy or Angel
> (ermmm......no not like that. Its the influance of that pesky roswell ep ;-))
Yeah, sure. Like you never had a dirty mind before. Pervert.
> > > 2) S:AAB
> >
> > Bastards cancelled that.
>
> Yup. Really sucked, because it was so very incredibly *good*. Great storylines. Great
> characters. Great cast. Great feel. Plus one of the onle shows (along with the rest of
> the shows in this list) that really kept me on the edge of my seat. Also gave me
In the beginning I was like: "Whee. Lame graphics and stuff, kinda silly
lookin." I still kept watching and it definately grew on me, to say the
least. I wouldn't mind some repeats...
> shivers from time to time, which is the sign of a great show. Roswell has yet to do
> that, btw.....
Different kind of show so far. Its a lot more Dawsons Creek (ever get
shivers from that? Didn't think so..Cracked up big time with some of the
'old' newer eps though..season opener and all that.)
> > > 3)Babylon 5
> >
> > Still need to watch that from the (sort of) beginning.
>
> You *so* need to do that. Only problem is, you could end up liking it more than any
> other show and thus gain a new obsession. Lots of people complain its not pure sf and
> that it has too much of a "fantasy" feel sometimes. Which is sorta what I liked. Apart
> from the *great* arced storylines of course......
Replace Buffy 'n Angel? You think? New obsessions don't particularly
bother me, to be honest. Fantasy, I like, doesn't bother me, and big
storyarcs are always fun. Coming to DVD anytime soonish? Jonathan?
> > Ever heard of napster? Anyway, tonights ep: LOTS of sexual energy
> > there...is this a recent development or what have I been missing lately?
>
> Napster. Yup. But I want this on cd, cause I'll probably like the cd enough to want to
> take it with me sometimes.
Is there an official soundtrack out in stores here?
> Anyways, about the sexual energy: Just this ep. But sexual energy combined with shiri
> appleby is *never* a bad thing. She most definatly is one of the most atracktive
> actrices on tv today :-).
What he said, only more so..
> Anyways, tonights Roswell was *really* weird. The ep before
> this was weird as well (with a drunk Max). Perhaps its a new trend. Next weeks ep
I saw most of the drunk Max ep..not all of it. At least they quit
pretending they don't like each other (finally..)
> looks good as well, even though it may have a bit cheapsy plot trick in the "the other
> girl" scenario. Don't care though, prolly gonna enjoy it lots nonetheless.....
Rght, that looks a little weird, actually. We shall see..Wasn't that
girl the actress who plays Nelle in Ally McBeal (Portia
somethingorother?) I wasn't really paying attention anymore.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Jonathan Black
[Star Trek]
> Any new Star Trek though? All repeats, right? I know I've seen
> the DS9 ep before..
Brand new Voyager season 6 at 17:10 on NL2 starting this Sunday.
[Roswell]
> > > Oh, and BTW, is it called Roswell or Roswell High? Just
> > > Roswell, right? Where did the High come from then?
> >
> > Ermm. First there were the books, which were called Roswell
> > High if I'm not mistaken. So thats where that came from......
>
> Right...why does my TV guide have Roswell High in the BBC
> column, then?
The show seems to have been rebranded "Roswell High" for the UK.
Apparently the title sequence has even been altered to include
the word "High" (it's already been shown on Sky One). You'll find
me discussing this over in umtb last week or something.
[Babylon 5]
> Coming to DVD anytime soonish? Jonathan?
We've been waiting a long time for it, but it should arrive
eventually. Maybe another year or so. Apparently the success of
Fox' X-Files season box sets have finally convinced Warner that
TV shows on DVD will sell.
Daasbavel
Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
39B6B977...@std.vu.nl...
it, so... I watched the whole tape again. TV-holism is a dangerous disease).
Dave Stork
> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > Only saw that once, not the movie I'm talking about. Maybe it was Total
> > Recall...no, sticking with Running Man (makes sense plotwise..escape
> > prisoner and all that.) Absolom was just some Island full of crazies or
> > something..
> >
> It's definitely Running Man, I just watched it on tape (I taped buffy after
> it, so... I watched the whole tape again. TV-holism is a dangerous disease).
Don't forget 'Wedlock', with Rutger Hauer (who also played the
main villain in the buffy movie).
--
Dave
http://home.hetnet.nl/~jericho --- Mijn homepage "ahum"
http://come.to/nks+f -- Voor de nl.kunst.sf+fantasy FAQ e.d.
Andrea
Patrick said:
> We had to wait two months for a new Angel ep. So, FOCKS8 figured, why not
> let them wait a few minutes longer?
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> Angel gets in another fight with demons. Nothing new, he does that all the
> time. But now he's fighting inside a ring and he's a captive slave, just
> like the other demons. A magic bracelet prevents them from escaping. Cross
> the red line and zzapp! Although you can reach out and grab a person on
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> other side, only getting zapped a little. Whatever, you don't know if you
> don't try right?
Which was, well, just a tad far-fetched. IMO.
>
> I have to say, that Darin guy did not only fool our heroes. I didn't see
> that one coming before I saw him alongside his 'brother' Jack. That Darin
> turns out to be the real baddy is less of a surprise.
Agree. And that was about the only surprise in the entire ep.
>
> Of course, Angel don't want to fight for some rich and spoiled assholes.
And wasn't it very strange that all those spoiled ass holes seemed to think
that *demons* and *vampires* were something completely normal in LA? I mean,
did the audience think the make-up was part of the show?
> He's too old for that. He's lived too long and seen to much to be fooled
> around with like that. I think he'd literally rather die. This, and his
> sense of justice of course, makes him determined to get out of captivity.
> And he's not leaving the others behind. Normally, on the street, he
wouldn't
> hesitate to kill all of them. But this is a different ballgame. Now the
> demons are the victims, and he's one of them. Nobody deserves to be trated
> like that, no living being anyway. And hey, those demons are innocent
until
> proven otherwise. If we have learned one thing from watching Angel, it's
> that demons come in all shapes and sizes. Good ones, bad ones and probably
> some in between. This must be in a nutshell what Angel was thinking when
he
> decided not to rest untill all slaves are free.
Well, yes, Angel was in-character. Hurray.
>
But in the end, Angel's call for uprisal seems to
> reach them. Instead of delivering the final blow to Angel, Trepkos halts
and
> looks at the shouting crowd above. He is appalled by the sight of them,
and
> instantly realises that Angel was right.
How very convenient, and how very predictable. :)
Fighting and killing to please
> those weak and pathetic humans, is not the way to go. Even when it could
> return you your freedom. Cribb has a slight change of heart too. Maybe he
> sees it as a perfect way to get back at his slavedrivers. Lord knows they
> should feel shitloads of hatred against them.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, I've seen a similar theme to this in a Star Trek
> episode. I'm sure someone else can fill me in on which one exactly. The
> demons coming around to Angel's way of thinking was something of a
> disappointment. But it made for a spectacular ending. I wonder if one of
> those demons will cross Angel's path later this season. That would be fun,
> because Angel will probably have to kill it then.
Must say I liked Trepkos, and I wouldn't mind seeing him again.
>
> Check out Wesley the next generation! Where did that come from? Did the
> writers decide he needed some upgrading on the WTGGTTTGG [1] front? Never
> seen him that Die Hard before, and so skillful for that matter.
Which was completely unbelievable. We should have been given some
explanation.
> At least Cordelia and he make a comic couple. And some valuable sidekicks
to
> Angel.
Agree. Now all we need is better scripts. :)
>
> Looks like Angel is getting used to the singlight in LA. Pretty soon he'll
> be strolling on the beaches, looking for bikini-dressed damsels in
distress.
> Next week Pamelea Anderson is attacked by a creature from the deep seas
who
> feeds on silicone?
Argh.
And in case I wasn't clear: I didn't particularly enjoy this ep.
Andrea
(hoping things will get better again :))
P@rick
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> And wasn't it very strange that all those spoiled ass holes seemed to
think
> that *demons* and *vampires* were something completely normal in LA? I
mean,
> did the audience think the make-up was part of the show?
If the audience thinks it's make-up anyway, why go through all the trouble
of capturing and keeping the demons? I think the spectators know what's
going on. It's indeed a bit strange that this knowledge never came out into
the open, nobody ever leaked any information. Come to think of it, that's a
very weak part in the story.
> Andrea
> (hoping things will get better again :))
Sure. Next week there's the story of a group of half-demons who are
persecuted by demons that dress up like naz.... o no, we had that one
already.
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
> P@rick skriver...
>
> > That's overwhelming, sort of. I had to cut back. For me it's Buffy,
Angel
> > and Farscape. And maybe Poltergeist the Legacy. Even the three beautiful
> > witch sisters can't persuade me to offer up more time.
>
I've been watching it for some time now. It's a nice show, but I wouldn't
want to call myself a fan. I doubt whether I have enough time to keep
watching it though.
Bye, Patrick