[ot] And now for something completly different....(movies)

[george van hal]

Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
the fun side of ot-ness....so there!

Anyways, since I referenced to movies (john woo, the matrix, some
trailers etc.) and since I'm a *huge* moviefan myself (although this
week I probably won't be going to the movies.....a first since months
*g*), I was wondering if liking the same show(s) makes our other tastes
in big screen greatness alike as well......so what I'm trying to say is
what are your favorite movies...let's say a top 10 or something....I'll
start below and let's see if anyone cares to post their opinions as well
(mattia I'm counting on you here...since you're allways bored :-)).

To start off I like SO many movies it's hard to think of my alltime top
ten, I'll just do some good ones that pop to mind. I have a fairly
mainstream taste, so sorry to all you art film lovers out there. I
despise all dutch movies I've seen so don't expect to see that in there
either. Furthermore I dont really like heavy on the gore horror flicks
so don't expect those in there.....

10) Being John Malkovitz:
Just so simply bizarre. Wonderfull.

9) Shakespeare in Love:
Yes, I know a choice you'd not really expect here from me, but a great
movie. Great acting by gwyneth paltrow. Great romance. Great story.

8) Space Balls:
I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
"So what does that make us?"
"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"

7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great
stories. Classic moments. I can't see how these can be left out of
anyone's top ten list......

6) The rock/armageddon etc. :
I'm talking about those big budget Jerry bruckheimer produced action
movies here. I know they're not top of the bill in acting and story, but
hey I just love em to death. And the music is allways great (grand
scrores) which helpes set the mood....

5) The usual suspects:
Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
untill a minute up front). Greatness...

4) The Matrix:
Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....

3) Romeo and Juliet:
Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this new
setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for quite
some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl idol
image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked in
"My so called Life")

2) JFK:
What can I say? One of the most involving 3 hours of film for everyone
interested in america and/or the death of JFK. Greatly directed and
greatly acted. One of the few long films that's truly involving.....

1) Contact:
Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....

So that's it for now. I'm sure I'll regret some choices later, think of
better choices later or even agree with other lists more...

Now it's your turn ;-)

See Ya,
George

[Peter Kleiweg]

george van hal skriver...

> Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
> yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
> Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
> the fun side of ot-ness....so there!

I doubt whether this is the kind of group that would flourish
more from off-topic postings.

But movies, OK, in no particular order, and incomplete:

Akira
Alien 3 (1992)
Bladerunner
Candyman (1992)
Cat Peolple (1982, remake with Nastassia Kinski)
The Children's Hour (1961)
The Company of Wolves (1984)
The Crying Game (1992)
Hellraiser (1987)
Hellbound (1988)
Into the Night (1985)
Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence (1982)
My Own Private Idaho (1991)
Natural Born Killers
The Nightmare before Christmas
A Nightmare on Elmstreet
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Silent Tongue
Splendor in the Grass (1961)
Stargate
Star Man
Wes Craven's New Nightmare

I have a preference for Horror movies, the ones mentioned above
are just a selections (and the films I remember the title of).
And all movies from Sam Shephard, Hal Hartley, Tim Burton.

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[Fuzzy]

george van hal wrote in message <39107B3C...@wxs.nl>...

>Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
>yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
>Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
>the fun side of ot-ness....so there!
>

>Anyways, since I referenced to movies (john woo, the matrix, some
>trailers etc.) and since I'm a *huge* moviefan myself (although this
>week I probably won't be going to the movies.....a first since months
>*g*), I was wondering if liking the same show(s) makes our other tastes
>in big screen greatness alike as well......so what I'm trying to say is
>what are your favorite movies...let's say a top 10 or something....I'll
>start below and let's see if anyone cares to post their opinions as well
>(mattia I'm counting on you here...since you're allways bored :-)).
>
>To start off I like SO many movies it's hard to think of my alltime top
>ten, I'll just do some good ones that pop to mind. I have a fairly
>mainstream taste, so sorry to all you art film lovers out there. I
>despise all dutch movies I've seen so don't expect to see that in there
>either. Furthermore I dont really like heavy on the gore horror flicks
>so don't expect those in there.....
>
>10) Being John Malkovitz:
>Just so simply bizarre. Wonderfull.

Haven't seen it yet, but I've heard it's must-see, so I will

>
>9) Shakespeare in Love:
>Yes, I know a choice you'd not really expect here from me, but a great
>movie. Great acting by gwyneth paltrow. Great romance. Great story.

Hmmm, Gwynneth Paltrow. Sorry Aly, this is where I look at other women.
Seriously though, it was a good pic. Not exactly deserving all those Oscars,
but good nontheless

>
>8) Space Balls:
>I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
>(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
>"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
>"So what does that make us?"
>"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"

"Sir, our radar is jammed"
"Hmmm, strawberry"

>
>7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
>What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
>wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great
>stories. Classic moments. I can't see how these can be left out of
>anyone's top ten list......

Well, there not in mine. Well, maybe SW4 is, but not the other two.
(Do I hear anyone say "Ewocks"? Thought so..)

>
>6) The rock/armageddon etc. :
>I'm talking about those big budget Jerry bruckheimer produced action
>movies here. I know they're not top of the bill in acting and story, but
>hey I just love em to death. And the music is allways great (grand
>scrores) which helpes set the mood....

Great entertainment, esp the Rock. Armageddon had some wonderfull FX, and
Bruce Willis was great as usual, but the that whole bit in space was utter
rubbish from an astronomers point of view (four years of college leaving
it's mark here).

>
>5) The usual suspects:
>Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
>(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
>untill a minute up front). Greatness...

Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
So, why's Se7en not in your top 10

>
>4) The Matrix:
>Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
>over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....

Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.

>
>3) Romeo and Juliet:
>Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this new
>setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for quite
>some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl idol
>image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked in
>"My so called Life")

Very good! Perfect blend of Shakespearean lyrics and modern day camera-work.

>
>2) JFK:
>What can I say? One of the most involving 3 hours of film for everyone
>interested in america and/or the death of JFK. Greatly directed and
>greatly acted. One of the few long films that's truly involving.....

Haven't seen it. Not really interested in america and/or the death of JFK.

>
>1) Contact:
>Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
>made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
>completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
>with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
>that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
>decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....

??? Contact as your nr1

<Insert confused silence here>

Are you trolling me?? :->

But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my top
10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't very
impressed.

>
>So that's it for now. I'm sure I'll regret some choices later, think of
>better choices later or even agree with other lists more...
>
>Now it's your turn ;-)

Ok, let me try to think of some movies you didn't have in your list:

American History X
A very realistic view on the nowadays racists. Thought I was more than a bit
tired of that theme untill I saw this one.

Breaking the Waves
Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
Truly magnificent

Sixth Sense
Opinions differ on this one, but I was completely blindsided by this one and
I like it when that happens. Very good acting by Bruce and that kid.

Shawshank Redemption
Best prison-film ever made. Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins on their best

Pulp Fiction
Say no more

Blade Runner
Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
can!

American Beauty
I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch. I'm
glad it won all those oscars.

Togedher with The Matrix, The Usual Suspects, Se7en and Romeo + Juliet this
makes my top eh..11 for this moment: tomorrow I would probably substitute
half of these in favor of other ones.

So, who's next?

Sierk

[Rob]

Well, I could name a few movies I like(d). There is no particular order
and it's just of the top of my head.
So here we go :

- Dawn of the dead (Zombies, I love 'em)
- Die hard 1,2,3 (No story, just fun to watch)
- The naked gun, all three of them (Leslie Nielsen and that absurt humor.
Not always in the mood for it but once in a while)
- Dragnet and Spies like us and Ghostbusters (figure out the connection
yourself)
- Blues Brothers, both (Because of the music)
- Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)
- Braveheart (Great massive fightscenes, almost just as good as the one
in Graduation 2............Yeah, right)
- Alien (tension)
- Aliens (action)
- Alien Ressurection (Wynona Rhyder)
- Haunted (Nice castle, great feel, good effects)
- The craft (Witches)
- Interview with a vampire (Vampires rule)
- Dracula (The one with Wynona Rhyder)
- Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some reason
I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies you have
to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).

There are hundreds more I can't think of now but I am sure I will remember
many of them later on.
There are many movies with great storylines I have enjoyed, but the ones I
watch for a second time (or more) are the ones with no story but great
effects or action.
I do like blood and gore in horror movies. Unfortunately there is an awful
lot of crap out there.
I love zombies, witches and vampires. Unfortunately again, most movies
about these subjects suck. (Like BtVS the movie).

Anyway, this is it for now. Who's next ?

Bye, Rob

[wheez50]

First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre
completely:
Postapocalyptic Cinedrama:
*Mad Max (esp. part 2)
*Waterworld (it is my nr. 1)
*Cherry 2000 ;-)
etc.

[Zwaaneveld]

<snip>

>
> 5) The usual suspects:
> Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> (kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
> untill a minute up front). Greatness...

<snip>

This one is in my top 3 (at least)
Remember that part when the guy started walking normal again...
one of my fav movie moments EVER!

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
>
> Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
> yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
> Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
> the fun side of ot-ness....so there!

<stunned> whaaa....? whoo.....? George?!?! </stunned>

OT can be fun...first truly OT thread I've seen (ever, I think..) slght
OTicness occurs, but not much..;-)

> Anyways, since I referenced to movies (john woo, the matrix, some
> trailers etc.) and since I'm a *huge* moviefan myself (although this

As am I, though I haven't found the time in the past weeks to watch
many...going this evening and tomorrow (or saturday) as well, methiks
(Being John Malkovich, I think I'll o watch election today, though I'm
not sure yet..)

> week I probably won't be going to the movies.....a first since months
> *g*), I was wondering if liking the same show(s) makes our other tastes
> in big screen greatness alike as well......so what I'm trying to say is
> what are your favorite movies...let's say a top 10 or something....I'll
> start below and let's see if anyone cares to post their opinions as well
> (mattia I'm counting on you here...since you're allways bored :-)).

Hehe...careful what you wish for, you just might get it...;-)

> To start off I like SO many movies it's hard to think of my alltime top
> ten, I'll just do some good ones that pop to mind. I have a fairly
> mainstream taste, so sorry to all you art film lovers out there. I
> despise all dutch movies I've seen so don't expect to see that in there
> either. Furthermore I dont really like heavy on the gore horror flicks
> so don't expect those in there.....

So far, we have pretty similar tastes (and similar problems relating to
thinking of all the bet movies, forgtting some, bla bla bla....)

> 10) Being John Malkovitz:
> Just so simply bizarre. Wonderfull.

Must go see it very very soon (at the Pathe ArenA methinks, haven't been
there yet...Will go see very very soon. All my statside friends
recommend it heartily.

> 9) Shakespeare in Love:
> Yes, I know a choice you'd not really expect here from me, but a great
> movie. Great acting by gwyneth paltrow. Great romance. Great story.

You're right, very unexpected. It is a great movie though, acting,
costume, atmosphere, and the romance side of it..very well written and
executed piece of work.

> 8) Space Balls:
> I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> (quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> "Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> "So what does that make us?"
> "Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"

ditto about quoting from memory..
"I see your Schwartz is just as Big as mine!!!"
"Merchandising! Where the money rom this movie is really made!"
"The schwartz? Naah, I found that in a crackerjack box!"
In the bar, with the 'Alien' spoof: "Not again!"
etc. etc. GREAT movie, one of the best spoofs of all time, IMHO....gotta
go find that videotape again..

> 7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
> What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
> wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great

I guess...although you could say a whole lot of SciFi as fantasy
elements in it.

> stories. Classic moments. I can't see how these can be left out of
> anyone's top ten list......

Agree completely. THe acting, etc. isn't superb or eve particularly
good, but the storyline, the saga, all the cheesy dialogue ("I have a
bad feeling about this" said 10 times throughout the 3 movies...) more
than make up for it. Lets not forget the special effects, the universe
vreated, the creatures, and the very memorable villans and good guys.
Scarily, movies are still being made with worse spcial effects than were
present in the original films. And please lets not forget the Music!

In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a SW fan (don't collect stuff
though, stick with the movies, Zahn's trilogy ;-) Hec, watched all 3
special editions back to back in a Star Wars night at a movie thater in
Paris (THX certified, of course!)

> 6) The rock/armageddon etc. :
> I'm talking about those big budget Jerry bruckheimer produced action
> movies here. I know they're not top of the bill in acting and story, but
> hey I just love em to death. And the music is allways great (grand
> scrores) which helpes set the mood....

Agree. Good fun to watch, don't look for much deeper meaning here,
sitback, relax, enjoy.

> 5) The usual suspects:
> Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> (kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
> untill a minute up front). Greatness...

Yes indeed! Although I would put it closer to the top of my list..at
least at 3 (was at 1 for a while, my 'list' changes a lot.) Definately
one of my all time favorites, plot twists, confusion, great ensemble
cast, screenplay, etc. Kevin Spacey is also one of my favorte actors, an
American Beauty is another amazing movie (its momentarily my number 1
movie..)

> 4) The Matrix:
> Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....

Mixed feelings about this one. It WAS a great movie, amazing special FX
(though I'm still unsure it should have gotten the Oscar for them...bit
of a toss up; Matrix stuff was more original, etc. but TPM was more
grand in scale, etc..) and a good story, but IMHO it could have been
done a little better (the fact that it all had to degenerate into one
big shootout, albeit a very entertainin and well done shootout, bothered
me. Didn't live up to the expectations I had of it...still watched it
twice at the cinema though ;-)

> 3) Romeo and Juliet:
> Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this new
> setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for quite
> some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl idol
> image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked in
> "My so called Life")

Didn't like the movie all that much. It was OK, nothing special, seen
better. If you want a nice big discussion/argument about this, and Leo,
search deja for an exchange between me and doc in nksf+f on the
subject..(bottom line: hype bugged me about this movie, didn't help my
evaluation of it.) I like Claire Daines a good deal (hasn't been doing
much lately, goes to college at Yale. Friend that goes there has seen
her around..)

> 2) JFK:
> What can I say? One of the most involving 3 hours of film for everyone
> interested in america and/or the death of JFK. Greatly directed and
> greatly acted. One of the few long films that's truly involving.....

I haven't seen it (tried watching t once years ago..was babysitting,
they had the vid, tried watching it starting at 3 AM, so I fell
asleep..) Oliver Stone is a good director though, and I really should go
rent it, methinks.. Can't comment

> 1) Contact:
> Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
> made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
> completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
> with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
> that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
> decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....

OK, this is where I disagree completely. 'Contact' is one of the worst
SciFi movies I've seen in a movie theater. I was epecting a really good
movie, instead I was treated to 2 hours of Jodie Foster (miss monotone,
don't really like er as an actress...seems she's good in 'Silence of the
Lambs' which I STILL haven't seen.) Overall a dissapointment, esp the
totally inconclusive ending; it was all about internal politics and
listening to noise, not much else. Didn't read the novel, but several
friends that did likd it (didn't love it, thought it was OK) but did not
like the movie at all. Sagan has done some gerat stuff (the little I've
seen, mostly TV things..) but Contact did not turn out to be a
particularly great movie in the end.

> So that's it for now. I'm sure I'll regret some choices later, think of
> better choices later or even agree with other lists more...
>
> Now it's your turn ;-)

OK, for other good stuff not mentioned yet, no real particular order

Se7en: Great thriller (again Spacey, who wasn't listed on the posters
because he thought that would give away who the killer was too
quickly..), dark, depressing, wondrfully filmed (colors, sounds, the
mood..)

Wild Things: Good fun, lots of nice looking girls getting practcally
naked ;-) nd an even more twisted an convoluted plot than the Usual
Suspects. Really worth a look, though it gets mixed reveiws.

A Time to Kill: Best Grisham book adaptation, great cast (S L Jackson,
Sandra Bullok, the Sutherlands (pop and son), M Maconnaghy(sp?)..) Well
worth a look, big time dramam, etc.

American History X: Very disturbing, very well filmed, written and
directed movie. Chilling insight into the White Supreamcist movement,
but in the end a stoy about people and change. Brilliant Edward Norton.

Primal Fear: Another good 'legal' movie, with richard gere and a very,
very impressive Edward Norton (who you can hardly recognize as being the
same man..

Shawshank Redemption: Really good prison movie, great acting by Tim
Robbins and Morgan Freeman

Cruel Intentions: Liked it a lot, better than the average teen flick,
hilariously funny in the beginning, sad at the end. Well executed movie,
not great, but well worth watching.

10 things I hate about you and Clueless: Two 'better than average' teen
comedies, IMHO. Doesn't meana whole lot thouh...;-)

Alien Movies: The first one is a real masterpiece, the next two are
good, the last one (ressurection) falls well short of expectations. Joss
Whedon wrote that one, and was very dissapointed at how the director
decided to interpret that, with all the cuts made, etc.

Blade Runner: Absolute classic, must see. Another great Ridley Scott
movie.

Stargate: Another good fun pocorn-type movie. Well executed, good
casting.

Star Trek: First contact: What can I say, I love the Borg :-)
(yesterdays ep was great...) Really dont like TOS movies though, and
generations and insurrection weren't very convincing, IMHO...

Hamlet: 4 hour Kenneth Branagh version. Yes, really. If you like
shakespeare (ie, if you want to appreciate the beauty of the english
language) watch this movie. Star studded cast, and branagh does a
brilliant portrayal of the Danish prince.

6th Sense: Great fun to watch, nice atmosphee, plot twist, recommended
watching.

Braveheart: Beautifully done historic epos. Rob roy is also decent, but
braveheart is better.

Interview with a Vampire: Pretty good vampire movie worth a look even if
you don't really like the genre.

Mary Shellys Frankenstein: FF Coppola version, with Branagh and DeNiro
as the monetr, brilliantly done

Bram Stokers Dracula: Again, the Coppola version, quite well executed,
though not as good as Frankenstein, IMHO

Apocalypse Now: Again Coppola, with probably his best movie. Amazing
acting, gruelling retelling of Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness' in Vietnam.
A truly great film, one of the classics. The whole landing sequence,
surfing during the bombardment; "I love te smell of Napalm in the
morning". 'nuff said

A lot of the stuff was real too (the whole drunk bedroom scene, Martin
Sheen cutting his hand, etc. happened; he was totally plasterd, he even
had a breakdown on the set, heart attack, and had to stop.) If you watch
the movie, you really should try to find a copy of the documentary his
wife made on the Making of (I think its called 'Hearts of Darkness: a
Filmmakers aocalypse" or something like that...the two should really be
viewed together.)

2001: a Space Oddessy: Another classic, signed by Kubrick. what more can
I saw? (well, apart from lots ;-)

Monty Python: Life of Brian and Quest for the Holy Grail: Given the
header you chose, I'm surprised that these two movies aren't in your
list ;-) Life of Brian is a brilliant satire, best of their movies, and
Holy Grail not too far behind. Classic comedy.

While I'm doing comedy:

Ausin Powers films: Great fun, love spoofs, some of the best ones in
recent (and not so recent) years

Wayne's World: Dunno. Nostalgic, maybe? Just funny, first much more than
the second

Dr. Strangelove: a brilliant critique on the Cold War, with an amazing
Peter Sellers

the Pink Panther: Inspector Clouseau, need I say more?

Well, I'm sort of running out of steam, I'm sure I'll think of more
stuff to fill in the blanks. As of right now, my top 3 movies (without
an order) would have to be:

The Usual Suspects, American Beauty, Apocalypse Now for good movies,
Star Wars films on the top of my SciFi list (the two aren't mutually
exclusive, but a really great SciFi/Fantasy flick is not always a good
Movie, by my standards at least..)

There, hope yu enjoyed that, bring on the critique, and add to my list!

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Peter Kleiweg wrote:
>
> george van hal skriver...

>
> > Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
> > yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
> > Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
> > the fun side of ot-ness....so there!
>

> I doubt whether this is the kind of group that would flourish
> more from off-topic postings.

Flourish, no, but it could pice things up in those times when nothing
worth discussing is on TV ;-)

So I see...very different taste from myself: don't really like the whole
horror genre very much, although I haven't really bothered looking at
very many movies...the ones I've seen put me off. Do enjoy Burton Movies
quite a bit though, which I forgot to metnon in my last post....

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
<SNIP>

> >7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
> >What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
> >wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great
> >stories. Classic moments. I can't see how these can be left out of
> >anyone's top ten list......
>
> Well, there not in mine. Well, maybe SW4 is, but not the other two.
> (Do I hear anyone say "Ewocks"? Thought so..)

I agree that 'Jedi' is the worst of the three, but my personal favorite
would have to be SW5 (Empire strikes back...although sometimes it
changes back to SW4...;-) IMHO, you can't really the view them apart;
you really have to watch them all (not necesarily in one sitting) if you
want to saw you've watched 'Star Wars'

My opinion of course..

> >6) The rock/armageddon etc. :
> >I'm talking about those big budget Jerry bruckheimer produced action
> >movies here. I know they're not top of the bill in acting and story, but
> >hey I just love em to death. And the music is allways great (grand
> >scrores) which helpes set the mood....
>
> Great entertainment, esp the Rock. Armageddon had some wonderfull FX, and
> Bruce Willis was great as usual, but the that whole bit in space was utter
> rubbish from an astronomers point of view (four years of college leaving
> it's mark here).
>
> >
> >5) The usual suspects:
> >Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> >(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
> >untill a minute up front). Greatness...
>
> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10

Agree, it should be there..

> >4) The Matrix:
> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
>
> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.

See my other post about this one: Great movie, could've been better,
IMHO..

> >3) Romeo and Juliet:
> >Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this new
> >setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for quite
> >some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl idol
> >image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked in
> >"My so called Life")
>
> Very good! Perfect blend of Shakespearean lyrics and modern day camera-work.

I say gimme a 4 hour verson of Hamlet by preference ;-)

<SNIP>

> >1) Contact:
> >Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
> >made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
> >completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
> >with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
> >that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
> >decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....
>
> ??? Contact as your nr1
>
> <Insert confused silence here>
>
> Are you trolling me?? :->
>
> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my top
> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't very
> impressed.
> >
> >So that's it for now. I'm sure I'll regret some choices later, think of
> >better choices later or even agree with other lists more...
> >
> >Now it's your turn ;-)
>
> Ok, let me try to think of some movies you didn't have in your list:
>
> American History X
> A very realistic view on the nowadays racists. Thought I was more than a bit
> tired of that theme untill I saw this one.

Big, Big agree! Definate must see..

> Breaking the Waves
> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
> Truly magnificent

Name sort of rings a bell, but nothing more. More details please?

> Sixth Sense
> Opinions differ on this one, but I was completely blindsided by this one and
> I like it when that happens. Very good acting by Bruce and that kid.

Agree

> Shawshank Redemption
> Best prison-film ever made. Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins on their best

Agree

> Pulp Fiction
> Say no more

Agree...odd movie, but good (if you don't mind the violence ;-)

> Blade Runner
> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
> can!

hehe....agree.

> American Beauty
> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch. I'm
> glad it won all those oscars.

and again...

> Togedher with The Matrix, The Usual Suspects, Se7en and Romeo + Juliet this
> makes my top eh..11 for this moment: tomorrow I would probably substitute
> half of these in favor of other ones.

Maybe not substitute, but at least expand..I find putting movies into
'best of lists' incredibly difficult..

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Rob wrote:
>
> Well, I could name a few movies I like(d). There is no particular order
> and it's just of the top of my head.
> So here we go :
>
> - Dawn of the dead (Zombies, I love 'em)
> - Die hard 1,2,3 (No story, just fun to watch)
> - The naked gun, all three of them (Leslie Nielsen and that absurt humor.
> Not always in the mood for it but once in a while)
> - Dragnet and Spies like us and Ghostbusters (figure out the connection
> yourself)
> - Blues Brothers, both (Because of the music)

Oh yes. If you like Blues, you'll like these movies....You're a Dan
Akroyd fan, aren't you? ;-) The comic stuff above is on my 'fun to watch
ocasionally' list.

> - Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)

Still haven't seen that one...seems the openeing landing sequence is
being used by the british army in a training tape..

> - Braveheart (Great massive fightscenes, almost just as good as the one
> in Graduation 2............Yeah, right)

Yes..

> - Alien (tension)
> - Aliens (action)
> - Alien Ressurection (Wynona Rhyder)

Not enough to save the movie..

> - Haunted (Nice castle, great feel, good effects)
> - The craft (Witches)

never seen

> - Interview with a vampire (Vampires rule)
> - Dracula (The one with Wynona Rhyder)

...and also a winona Ryder fan, I see...;-)

> - Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some reason
> I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies you have
> to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).

Strange choice..didn't see it, don' really like Hugh Grant much..

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

wow...are you actually SERIOUS??? Watrworld at number 1? I mean, its not
as terrible as a lot of people made it ot to be, but still...Next you'll
be telling me you enjoyed 'Postman'... ;-)

Mattia
there, I think I responeded to every message in this thread now..;-)

[george van hal]

Fuzzy wrote:

> >8) Space Balls:
> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> >"So what does that make us?"
> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
>
> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
> "Hmmm, strawberry"

Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the raspberry!
Lonestar!"

<about star wars>

> Well, there not in mine. Well, maybe SW4 is, but not the other two.
> (Do I hear anyone say "Ewocks"? Thought so..)

Ok, I'll give you the ewoks, I'll even give you the whole muppet jabba the hutt
scene in 6, but I actually like 5 best ("Luke, I am your father") and there's
some damn cool parts in 6 as well (the space battle, luke fighting vader and
palpatine)

> >5) The usual suspects:
> >Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> >(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
> >untill a minute up front). Greatness...
>
> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10

And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure it
deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however. Other good
thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and Fallen.

> >4) The Matrix:
> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
>
> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.

I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally got in
on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times now....

> >1) Contact:
> >Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
> >made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
> >completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
> >with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
> >that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
> >decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....
>
> ??? Contact as your nr1
>
> <Insert confused silence here>
>
> Are you trolling me?? :->

I'm really not :-). I can't really explain what it is that contact has. It
probably wouldn't be in my top ten "best films ever made", but it is the film I
enjoyed watching most. It's probably just the optimism in the view of our galaxy
and the question whether or not we're alone. I've allways been a "fan" of the
SETI project as well so that helped. Also it was one of the first films I could
really believe from a scientists point of view (although the book did a better
job at that). All in all it always gives me the shivers....just really like it.

> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my top
> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't very
> impressed.

Why?

>Ok, let me try to think of some movies you didn't have in your list:

>
> American History X
> A very realistic view on the nowadays racists. Thought I was more than a bit
> tired of that theme untill I saw this one.

Hmm, interesting. One of the reasons I haven't seen this movie yet is because I
was thinking "not another racist movie". It's been done. But if you say it's
that good, I might check it out in the furture.....

> Breaking the Waves
> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
> Truly magnificent

Never even heard of it.......<tries to check imdb....page doesn't load
correctly>. Ah well I'll try to find some info on it soonish....

> Sixth Sense
> Opinions differ on this one, but I was completely blindsided by this one and
> I like it when that happens. Very good acting by Bruce and that kid.

Very true. I didn't see that ending coming either, it was a very good movie.
Loved the acting as well....somehow I just don't see it in my top ten. It would
be in my top 25 though.....

> Pulp Fiction
> Say no more

Indeed. Only weird thing is, I've never seen it completly. It's one of those
movies I tend to watch in the middle of the night when someone's having a party,
and I allways miss the whole thing. And somehow I've never rented it.....not
sure why. I know I'd love it....ah well.....

> Blade Runner
> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
> can!

I found Blade Runner disapointing. Someone recently said that was probably
because I didn't watch the directors cut. So I'm going to watch that
soonish.....

> American Beauty
> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch. I'm
> glad it won all those oscars.

Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people seem to
miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I were the
only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also very good.
I love the "plastic bag" moment. In fact I love the whole movie. The only thing
slightly disapointing is spacey's end narrative. They should have left that
out.... Probably should've been in my top 10.....

See Ya,
George

[Mattia Valente]

Zwaaneveld wrote:
Spoiler Space for those who haven't seen the Usual Suspects (what are
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> >
> > 5) The usual suspects:
> > Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> > (kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
> > untill a minute up front). Greatness...

> <snip>
>
> This one is in my top 3 (at least)
> Remember that part when the guy started walking normal again...
> one of my fav movie moments EVER!

Definately. And thenthe whole ending with the quote and the cut to black
screen:

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he
didn't exist. And like that, he was gone."

Actually, there is one great little reference to "The Usual Suspects" in
the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor Dolittle"; when he's walking into the
dog pound, hearing all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think)
Kevin Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big time..

Mattia

[Jonathan Black]

On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:

> george van hal wrote:
>
> > 1) Contact:
> > Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
> > made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
> > completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
> > with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
> > that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
> > decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....
>
> OK, this is where I disagree completely. 'Contact' is one of the worst

> SciFi movies I've seen in a movie theater. [...]

Gees... so many interesting posts, so little time...

I just want to throw in one quick comment here. Contact is a
fantastic movie. Completely agree with George. Well, don't know
about number 1 of all time, but hey, that's a tough question and
this answer is good enough for me. Contact was one of the first
really kick-ass special editon DVDs by the wonderful people at
Warner Brothers back in 1997 and it was one of my very first DVD
purchases. Loads of extra's including no less than three (!)
interesting commentary tracks. One by Jodie, one by director Robert
Zemeckis, one by some sfx guys.

For my other favorite movies, I'd also like to mention the Back to
the Future trilogy. Never get tired of seeing them. Incidentally,
same director, Robert Zemeckis. I seem to like this guy ;-)

Gotta go,
--
J o N a T H a N

[Jonathan Black]

On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:

> Spoiler Space for those who haven't seen the Usual Suspects (what
> are you waiting for? Go rent the video!! :-)

Are you kidding? Remember how I said I had only bought one VHS tape
in the last two years? Well, I haven't rented one *ever*. OK wait,
that's probably not mathematically correct, but still, pretty
close...

http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=612681429

:-)

[Mattia Valente]

Well, then go buy the DVD ;-) Here's the link for ya

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000K0DT/o/qid=957455954/sr=2-1/104-5826197-0870036

apparently its not (yet? anymore?) avliable in the UK, at least not from
blackstar or Amazon UK...I assume you have a region cracked DVD player
(its a PC DVD right? Sigma Desgins Hollywood plus card?)

I haven't rented in the longest time (I've rented to watch at other
peoples places, never at mine...) just saying, if you ain't see, find a
way to remedy it :-p

Mattia

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115500...@std.vu.nl>...
>Fuzzy wrote:

<SNIP>

>> >3) Romeo and Juliet:
>> >Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this new
>> >setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for quite
>> >some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl idol
>> >image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked in
>> >"My so called Life")
>>
>> Very good! Perfect blend of Shakespearean lyrics and modern day
camera-work.
>

>I say gimme a 4 hour verson of Hamlet by preference ;-)

Was that the one with Mel Gibson? It had some very good reviews, but I never
saw it.

>
><SNIP>

>
>> >1) Contact:
>> >Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
>> >made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
>> >completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
>> >with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
>> >that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
>> >decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....
>>
>> ??? Contact as your nr1
>>
>> <Insert confused silence here>
>>
>> Are you trolling me?? :->
>>
>> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my top
>> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't
very
>> impressed.
>> >
>> >So that's it for now. I'm sure I'll regret some choices later, think of
>> >better choices later or even agree with other lists more...
>> >
>> >Now it's your turn ;-)
>>
>> Ok, let me try to think of some movies you didn't have in your list:
>>
>> American History X
>> A very realistic view on the nowadays racists. Thought I was more than a
bit
>> tired of that theme untill I saw this one.
>

>Big, Big agree! Definate must see..
>

>> Breaking the Waves
>> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
>> Truly magnificent
>

>Name sort of rings a bell, but nothing more. More details please?

It's a film by Lars von Trier, who also made "The Kingdom": that weird
tv-series about a hospital in Denmark that was on dutch television about a
year ago.
The female protagonist is played by Emily Watson, who playes a somewhat
simple girl who imagines she has a close link with God. She got an
oscar-nomination for her role, but didn't get it, because the film isn't a
mainstream Hollywood film.
The film itself is a bit dark, but odds are that if you liked The Kingdom,
you'll also like this one, even though they're not much alike.

<Snip all the stuff we agree on>

>> Together with The Matrix, The Usual Suspects, Se7en and Romeo + Juliet

this
>> makes my top eh..11 for this moment: tomorrow I would probably substitute
>> half of these in favor of other ones.
>

>Maybe not substitute, but at least expand..I find putting movies into
>'best of lists' incredibly difficult..

Same here. I've found it's best to just write down the first movies that pop
up and forget about the rest, or else you have to make some very difficult
choises.

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

george van hal wrote in message <39115648...@wxs.nl>...

>
>
>Fuzzy wrote:
>
>> >8) Space Balls:
>> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
>> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
>> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
>> >"So what does that make us?"
>> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
>>
>> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
>> "Hmmm, strawberry"
>
>Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the
raspberry!
>Lonestar!"

You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)

>
><
Snip about star wars>

>
>> >5) The usual suspects:
>> >Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
>> >(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
>> >untill a minute up front). Greatness...
>>
>> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
>> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10
>
>And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure it
>deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however. Other
good
>thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and Fallen.

I fell asleep the first time I saw Heat, probably because I was half-drunk
and it was about 2 in the morning when the movie _started_, but still, I
never did get to like it. Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as TUS
or 7, IMHO. I didn't like Fallen so much: during the whole movie I
remembered the voice-over from the beginning and I saw the ending coming
from miles ahead. Bit of a letdown, cause the idea was very nice

>
>> >4) The Matrix:
>> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
>> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
>>
>> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.
>
>I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally got
in
>on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times now....

A whole group of us went to the cinema together for about five times. We're
all a bit mad about it. My roommate has the DVD now, so I've seen it about
15 times too now I guess

Probably because I read the book first. The movie can't really compete with
that.

>
>>Ok, let me try to think of some movies you didn't have in your list:
>
>>
>> American History X
>> A very realistic view on the nowadays racists. Thought I was more than a
bit
>> tired of that theme untill I saw this one.
>
>Hmm, interesting. One of the reasons I haven't seen this movie yet is
because I
>was thinking "not another racist movie". It's been done. But if you say
it's
>that good, I might check it out in the furture.....

I really would if I were you. However, it's not a film to watch with your
friend on a rowdy night. It's quite a serious movie

>
>> Breaking the Waves
>> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
>> Truly magnificent
>
>Never even heard of it.......<tries to check imdb....page doesn't load
>correctly>. Ah well I'll try to find some info on it soonish....

I wrote some stuff about it in my reply to Mattia. Also a serious, at times
even somewhat oppressing movie.

>
>> Sixth Sense
>> Opinions differ on this one, but I was completely blindsided by this one
and
>> I like it when that happens. Very good acting by Bruce and that kid.
>
>Very true. I didn't see that ending coming either, it was a very good
movie.
>Loved the acting as well....somehow I just don't see it in my top ten. It
would
>be in my top 25 though.....
>
>> Pulp Fiction
>> Say no more
>
>Indeed. Only weird thing is, I've never seen it completly. It's one of
those
>movies I tend to watch in the middle of the night when someone's having a
party,
>and I allways miss the whole thing. And somehow I've never rented
it.....not
>sure why. I know I'd love it....ah well.....

It's a classic film of the 90's. A real must-see.

>
>> Blade Runner
>> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
>> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
>> can!
>
>I found Blade Runner disapointing. Someone recently said that was probably
>because I didn't watch the directors cut. So I'm going to watch that
>soonish.....

I didn't notice all that many differences between the two. I don't think
you'll really like the directors cut if you didn't like the other one.

>
>> American Beauty
>> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
I'm
>> glad it won all those oscars.
>
>Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people seem
to
>miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I were
the
>only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also very
good.

You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get the
movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane comments
about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).

>I love the "plastic bag" moment. In fact I love the whole movie. The only
thing
>slightly disapointing is spacey's end narrative. They should have left that
>out.... Probably should've been in my top 10.....

Probably, yes :)

Sierk

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115500...@std.vu.nl>...
> >Fuzzy wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>

> >> >3) Romeo and Juliet:
> >> >Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this new
> >> >setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for quite
> >> >some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl idol
> >> >image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked in
> >> >"My so called Life")
> >>
> >> Very good! Perfect blend of Shakespearean lyrics and modern day
> camera-work.
> >

> >I say gimme a 4 hour verson of Hamlet by preference ;-)
>
> Was that the one with Mel Gibson? It had some very good reviews, but I never
> saw it.

NO!!! NOT the Mel Gibson one (which I haven't seen, but others have, and
have ssen the one I'm talking about, and agree that the Gibson Version
isn't that good, not true to the text and story..)

I'm talking about the Fully Text, 4 hour long movie directed by Kenneth
Branagh (who also plays the lead role) and with a cast filled with stars
like Jack Lemmon, Robin Williams, Kate Winslet (ophelia) Derek Jacobi
(Known british shaekpearean actor, plays Claudius) Julie Christie, etc.)
If you like shakespeare, give it a watch, otherwise, give it a miss..

> >
> ><SNIP>

> >
> >> >1) Contact:
> >> >Fabulous movie with Jodie foster. Not saying it's the best movie ever
> >> >made, just saying its my favorite. Great story and a character I could
> >> >completly identify with. The novel was written by a man (Carl Sagan)
> >> >with whom I share most views of the world and universe. The movie made
> >> >that idea more real, more realistic. Actually a movie that helped in my
> >> >decision to do astrophysics......greatness all around.....
> >>
> >> ??? Contact as your nr1
> >>
> >> <Insert confused silence here>
> >>
> >> Are you trolling me?? :->
> >>
> >> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my top
> >> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't
> very
> >> impressed.
> >> >
> >> >So that's it for now. I'm sure I'll regret some choices later, think of
> >> >better choices later or even agree with other lists more...
> >> >
> >> >Now it's your turn ;-)
> >>
> >> Ok, let me try to think of some movies you didn't have in your list:
> >>
> >> American History X
> >> A very realistic view on the nowadays racists. Thought I was more than a
> bit
> >> tired of that theme untill I saw this one.
> >

> >Big, Big agree! Definate must see..
> >

> >> Breaking the Waves
> >> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
> >> Truly magnificent
> >

> >Name sort of rings a bell, but nothing more. More details please?
>
> It's a film by Lars von Trier, who also made "The Kingdom": that weird
> tv-series about a hospital in Denmark that was on dutch television about a
> year ago.
> The female protagonist is played by Emily Watson, who playes a somewhat
> simple girl who imagines she has a close link with God. She got an
> oscar-nomination for her role, but didn't get it, because the film isn't a
> mainstream Hollywood film.
> The film itself is a bit dark, but odds are that if you liked The Kingdom,
> you'll also like this one, even though they're not much alike.

Hmmm...must go look up more info. Thanks!

> <Snip all the stuff we agree on>
>

> >> Together with The Matrix, The Usual Suspects, Se7en and Romeo + Juliet

> this
> >> makes my top eh..11 for this moment: tomorrow I would probably substitute
> >> half of these in favor of other ones.
> >

> >Maybe not substitute, but at least expand..I find putting movies into
> >'best of lists' incredibly difficult..
>
> Same here. I've found it's best to just write down the first movies that pop
> up and forget about the rest, or else you have to make some very difficult
> choises.
>
> Sierk

Yeah, if I tried I could come up with a whole lot more movies to list
;-)

Mattia

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115502...@std.vu.nl>...

>Rob wrote:
>>
>> Well, I could name a few movies I like(d). There is no particular order
>> and it's just of the top of my head.
>> So here we go :
>>
>> - Dawn of the dead (Zombies, I love 'em)
>> - Die hard 1,2,3 (No story, just fun to watch)
>> - The naked gun, all three of them (Leslie Nielsen and that absurt
humor.
>> Not always in the mood for it but once in a while)
>> - Dragnet and Spies like us and Ghostbusters (figure out the connection
>> yourself)
>> - Blues Brothers, both (Because of the music)
>
>Oh yes. If you like Blues, you'll like these movies....You're a Dan
>Akroyd fan, aren't you? ;-) The comic stuff above is on my 'fun to watch
>ocasionally' list.
>
>> - Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)
>
>Still haven't seen that one...seems the openeing landing sequence is
>being used by the british army in a training tape..

Yup, and justly so. It's _very_ realistic. Not for someone with a weak
stomach.
A very good movie. May be worth a spot in my top 11.

>
>> - Braveheart (Great massive fightscenes, almost just as good as the
one
>> in Graduation 2............Yeah, right)
>
>Yes..

Good one

>
>> - Alien (tension)
>> - Aliens (action)
>> - Alien Ressurection (Wynona Rhyder)
>
>Not enough to save the movie..

I liked it. Not very good, but great entertainment.

>
>> - Haunted (Nice castle, great feel, good effects)
>> - The craft (Witches)
>
>never seen
>
>> - Interview with a vampire (Vampires rule)
>> - Dracula (The one with Wynona Rhyder)
>
>...and also a winona Ryder fan, I see...;-)
>
>> - Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some
reason
>> I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies you
have
>> to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).
>
>Strange choice..didn't see it, don' really like Hugh Grant much..

One of the two Hugh Grant films worth watching, IMHO, the other one being
FWaaF.

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

wheez50 wrote in message <8eq8hm$gk4$1...@news.hccnet.nl>...

>First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre
>completely:
>Postapocalyptic Cinedrama:
>*Mad Max (esp. part 2)
>*Waterworld (it is my nr. 1)
>*Cherry 2000 ;-)
>etc.
>

Cherry 2000?!!? Haha
Well C2000 was a very laughable movie. Laughed harder there than any Nielsen
movie I ever saw.

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115695...@std.vu.nl>...

>Zwaaneveld wrote:
>Spoiler Space for those who haven't seen the Usual Suspects (what are
>you waiting for? Go rent the video!! :-)

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>> > 5) The usual suspects:
>> > Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
>> > (kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that
coming
>> > untill a minute up front). Greatness...

>> <snip>
>>
>> This one is in my top 3 (at least)
>> Remember that part when the guy started walking normal again...
>> one of my fav movie moments EVER!
>
>Definately. And thenthe whole ending with the quote and the cut to black
>screen:
>
>"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he
>didn't exist. And like that, he was gone."
>
>Actually, there is one great little reference to "The Usual Suspects" in
>the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor Dolittle"; when he's walking into the
>dog pound, hearing all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think)
>Kevin Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big time..
>
>Mattia

Doesn't Xander says somewhere in The Puppetshow: "Does anyone else feel like
he's been Kayser Sozed?"

Sierk

[george van hal]

Fuzzy wrote:

> george van hal wrote in message <39115648...@wxs.nl>...
> >
> >
> >Fuzzy wrote:
> >
> >> >8) Space Balls:
> >> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> >> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> >> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> >> >"So what does that make us?"
> >> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
> >>
> >> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
> >> "Hmmm, strawberry"
> >
> >Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the
> raspberry!
> >Lonestar!"
>
> You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
> second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)

The only problem with that being.....I can't seem to find it anywhere. I really
want to buy the movie, but it's out of stock almost everywhere, my local video
rental places have mispalced their copies and never replaced them (and that's
happened at not one, not two, but three (!) places). Anyone with any tips on
where to get my hands on a copy would be greatly rewarded (well ok, not rewarded
in the literal sense...or in any other sense....)><

> >> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
> >> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10
> >
> >And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure it
> >deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however. Other
> good
> >thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and Fallen.
>
> I fell asleep the first time I saw Heat, probably because I was half-drunk
> and it was about 2 in the morning when the movie _started_, but still, I
> never did get to like it.

Had that with a few movies as well. First (ond only) time I saw bravehart was at
a friends party where we started watching at about 3:30. Missed some parts due
to extreme "meligheid" (excuse my dutch...but whats the translation for
"melig"??), but I actually still enjoyed it. Heat *is* however a long movie
which I think you like or you don't like.....you didn't, I did :-)

> Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as TUS
> or 7, IMHO.

Indeed. The end ruined it (the whole thing being reset like that), but I never
watch that part anymore. Like my own private directors cut ;-)

WARNING....SPOILERS FOR FALLEN BELOW
.
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.
.

> I didn't like Fallen so much: during the whole movie I
> remembered the voice-over from the beginning and I saw the ending coming
> from miles ahead. Bit of a letdown, cause the idea was very nice

I did *not* see the ending coming. I know the movie opens with "let me tell you
about the time I nearly died" , but the voice is that of Denzel Washington, and
the whole movie had me thinking the main character was the narrator. The fact
that the narrator turned out to be the fallen angel was a huge surprise to me.
Guess I perhaps should have seen it coming, but none of the people I watched the
movie with did ether......the movie is a lot better with the surprise of the end
though, so I'm kind of glad I didn't see it coming......

> >> >4) The Matrix:
> >> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> >> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
> >>
> >> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.
> >
> >I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally got
> in
> >on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times now....
>
> A whole group of us went to the cinema together for about five times. We're
> all a bit mad about it. My roommate has the DVD now, so I've seen it about
> 15 times too now I guess

Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(

>

<about me loving contact and sierk disliking it>

> >> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my top
> >> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't
> very
> >> impressed.
> >
> >Why?
>
> Probably because I read the book first. The movie can't really compete with
> that.

That's very true. I'd never really read anything by Carl Sagan before contact.
The movie made me read the book (which I incidently never finished because of
library troubles. I just bought the novel though, so I'll probably be reading it
soonish).

> >> Breaking the Waves
> >> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever saw.
> >> Truly magnificent
> >
> >Never even heard of it.......<tries to check imdb....page doesn't load
> >correctly>. Ah well I'll try to find some info on it soonish....
>
> I wrote some stuff about it in my reply to Mattia. Also a serious, at times
> even somewhat oppressing movie.

Yeah...it sounded fairly interesting. I think I'm gonna try to dig that one
up......>

> >> Pulp Fiction
> >> Say no more
> >
> >Indeed. Only weird thing is, I've never seen it completly. It's one of
> those
> >movies I tend to watch in the middle of the night when someone's having a
> party,
> >and I allways miss the whole thing. And somehow I've never rented
> it.....not
> >sure why. I know I'd love it....ah well.....
>
> It's a classic film of the 90's. A real must-see.

I *know*. Sad thing is I recently (as in just now actually) discovered I had it
taped from television all this time......definatly gonna watch it now sometime
soon........

> >> Blade Runner
> >> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
> >> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
> >> can!
> >
> >I found Blade Runner disapointing. Someone recently said that was probably
> >because I didn't watch the directors cut. So I'm going to watch that
> >soonish.....
>
> I didn't notice all that many differences between the two. I don't think
> you'll really like the directors cut if you didn't like the other one.

Hmm...still feel I should give it a second chance. Maybe I missed something on
first watching :-)

> > American Beauty
> >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
> I'm
> >> glad it won all those oscars.
> >
> >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people seem
> to
> >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I were
> the
> >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also very
> good.
>
> You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get the
> movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane comments
> about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).

Irritating isn't that. Ah well we all have our pet peeves, especially at the
movies. The most anoying thing is sitting beside people who don't get or don't
like a movie you're enjoying. Ah well it happens :-)

See Ya,
George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)

[george van hal]

Fuzzy wrote:

> >> - Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)
> >
> >Still haven't seen that one...seems the openeing landing sequence is
> >being used by the british army in a training tape..
>
> Yup, and justly so. It's _very_ realistic. Not for someone with a weak
> stomach.
> A very good movie. May be worth a spot in my top 11.

And here my sad sad weak stomach comes into play :-( Don't know why, but
extensive blood or gore or in this case realism really bothers me. Don't know
why. Allways had that. I'm missing out on some great films. Now only if there
was a blood and gore tolerance patch I could use during those scenes.....ah
well......

> >> - Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some
> reason
> >> I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies you
> have
> >> to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).
> >
> >Strange choice..didn't see it, don' really like Hugh Grant much..
>
> One of the two Hugh Grant films worth watching, IMHO, the other one being
> FWaaF.

Yes, FWaaF was very good as well. Really fun stuff, and what can I say....I just
*love* british swearing *bugger! bugger!*

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

Yeah. That was sheer brilliance.......hmm...I suddenly feel like rewatching this
movie....

> Actually, there is one great little reference to "The Usual Suspects" in
> the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor Dolittle"; when he's walking into the
> dog pound, hearing all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think)
> Kevin Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big time..

I missed that reference (probably because I didn't see Dr. Dolittle). But I
think there are more movies/shows with tusp references. I think Keyser Soze
might be one of the best known movie and tv "badies" of all time. Next to darth
vader and cancer man that is....

See Ya,
George

[Jonathan Black]

On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:

> Jonathan Black wrote:

>
> > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:
> >
> > > Spoiler Space for those who haven't seen the Usual Suspects
> > > (what are you waiting for? Go rent the video!! :-)
> >

> > Are you kidding? [snip]

>
> Well, then go buy the DVD ;-) Here's the link for ya
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000K0DT
>

> apparently its not (yet? anymore?) avliable in the UK, at least
> not from blackstar or Amazon UK...I assume you have a region
> cracked DVD player (its a PC DVD right? Sigma Desgins Hollywood
> plus card?)

Yep. Well, Creative Dxr3 actually, but it's exaclty the same card. I
prefer American discs even when European ones are available, in fact
I think the only R2 discs I have are some I won in a cometition :-)

> I haven't rented in the longest time (I've rented to watch at
> other peoples places, never at mine...) just saying, if you ain't
> see, find a way to remedy it :-p

I got the point ;-) I'll put it on my to-buy list, for the next time
I feel the need shell out...

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> george van hal wrote:
> >
> > Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
> > yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
> > Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
> > the fun side of ot-ness....so there!
>
> <stunned> whaaa....? whoo.....? George?!?! </stunned>
>
> OT can be fun...first truly OT thread I've seen (ever, I think..) slght
> OTicness occurs, but not much..;-)

I think there have been one or two other OT threads IIRC. Probably before you
came to this NG though....and I don't think any of them had more than two
maybe three posts in 'em.......

> > Anyways, since I referenced to movies (john woo, the matrix, some
> > trailers etc.) and since I'm a *huge* moviefan myself (although this
>
> As am I, though I haven't found the time in the past weeks to watch
> many...going this evening and tomorrow (or saturday) as well, methiks
> (Being John Malkovich, I think I'll o watch election today, though I'm
> not sure yet..)

BJM is a definate must see. Tell us what you thought when you've seen it :-)
Election I haven't heard too much about, apart from spotting the title on a
release schedule. What's it about??

> > (mattia I'm counting on you here...since you're allways bored :-)).
>
> Hehe...careful what you wish for, you just might get it...;-)

I noticed.....still really enjoying this thread though so for me personally
there's nothing wrong with posting a lot :-)

> > 10) Being John Malkovitz:
> > Just so simply bizarre. Wonderfull.
>
> Must go see it very very soon (at the Pathe ArenA methinks, haven't been
> there yet...Will go see very very soon. All my statside friends
> recommend it heartily.

I just read that Pathe ArenA still sucks a bit, with the whole thing not
really completed yet. Also, I'm not sure if BJM plays in most large theatres.
I went to see it in babylon (den haag) and that's a fairly small theatre. It
didn't play in Pathé scheveningen (which I usually go to).....

> > 8) Space Balls:
> > I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> > (quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> > "Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> > "So what does that make us?"
> > "Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
>
> ditto about quoting from memory..
> "I see your Schwartz is just as Big as mine!!!"
> "Merchandising! Where the money rom this movie is really made!"
> "The schwartz? Naah, I found that in a crackerjack box!"
> In the bar, with the 'Alien' spoof: "Not again!"
> etc. etc. GREAT movie, one of the best spoofs of all time, IMHO....gotta
> go find that videotape again..

Of course, if you're not a star wars fan it isn't quite as funny.....but as
far as spoofs go, there's nothing quite like it. Mel brooks is a spoofing
genieus....

> > 7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
> > What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
> > wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great
>
> I guess...although you could say a whole lot of SciFi as fantasy
> elements in it.

The only Sci Fi elements were the space ships. SciFi is generally a story
based on moderen science, a story based on what could happen in the future.
Fantasy creates a realm of it's own in which the basic laws of physics are
different, in which anything is possible. All the Fantasy clichés (which I
love btw) are in Star Wars as well. A young person (a boy. In this case Luke)
is fulfilling his destination, and has special abilities. There's magick and a
group who uses that magick (the force and the jedi. Compare with The one power
and the Aes Sedai in "the wheel of time" for instance). There's a battle
between good and evil, where good finally wins. Etc. etc. etc.

> > stories. Classic moments. I can't see how these can be left out of
> > anyone's top ten list......
>
> Agree completely. THe acting, etc. isn't superb or eve particularly
> good, but the storyline, the saga, all the cheesy dialogue ("I have a
> bad feeling about this" said 10 times throughout the 3 movies...) more
> than make up for it. Lets not forget the special effects, the universe
> vreated, the creatures, and the very memorable villans and good guys.
> Scarily, movies are still being made with worse spcial effects than were
> present in the original films. And please lets not forget the Music!

Ouh, indeed. Let's not forget the music. Is there anyone who's not able to hum
the star wars theme from memory??

> In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a SW fan (don't collect stuff
> though, stick with the movies, Zahn's trilogy ;-) Hec, watched all 3
> special editions back to back in a Star Wars night at a movie thater in
> Paris (THX certified, of course!)

In Paris? Please tell me it wasn't dubbed........

> > 4) The Matrix:
> > Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> > over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
>
> Mixed feelings about this one. It WAS a great movie, amazing special FX
> (though I'm still unsure it should have gotten the Oscar for them...bit
> of a toss up; Matrix stuff was more original, etc. but TPM was more
> grand in scale, etc..) and a good story, but IMHO it could have been
> done a little better (the fact that it all had to degenerate into one
> big shootout, albeit a very entertainin and well done shootout, bothered
> me. Didn't live up to the expectations I had of it...still watched it
> twice at the cinema though ;-)

Well, there wasn't really another way for the story to go, given the story
line about the matrix. The shootout came naturally from the story. It was used
like sword fights and the use of magick are used in fantasy books. Greatly
done......> 2) JFK:

> > What can I say? One of the most involving 3 hours of film for everyone
> > interested in america and/or the death of JFK. Greatly directed and
> > greatly acted. One of the few long films that's truly involving.....
>
> I haven't seen it (tried watching t once years ago..was babysitting,
> they had the vid, tried watching it starting at 3 AM, so I fell
> asleep..) Oliver Stone is a good director though, and I really should go
> rent it, methinks.. Can't comment

You really should......(or perhaps on the 9th if there's a *lot* of time
left....nah :-))

>Se7en: Great thriller (again Spacey, who wasn't listed on the posters

> because he thought that would give away who the killer was too
> quickly..), dark, depressing, wondrfully filmed (colors, sounds, the
> mood..)

Agree.....loved it as well.....

> Wild Things: Good fun, lots of nice looking girls getting practcally
> naked ;-) nd an even more twisted an convoluted plot than the Usual
> Suspects. Really worth a look, though it gets mixed reveiws.

Yes. Denise Richards and Neve Cambell are easy on the eye. There are in deed a
lot of plot twists, but none of them were truly surprising, some even a littly
rediculous. The presence of DR and NC in very few clothes really did save the
movie though.....

> A Time to Kill: Best Grisham book adaptation, great cast (S L Jackson,
> Sandra Bullok, the Sutherlands (pop and son), M Maconnaghy(sp?)..) Well
> worth a look, big time dramam, etc.

Not sure it's the best Grisham movie. I did love it though. I love most legal
movies for that matter.....

> Shawshank Redemption: Really good prison movie, great acting by Tim
> Robbins and Morgan Freeman

Still haven't seen that. Must rent it.....

> Cruel Intentions: Liked it a lot, better than the average teen flick,
> hilariously funny in the beginning, sad at the end. Well executed movie,
> not great, but well worth watching.

Yes, loved that as well. Something that could've been in my top ten...very
good and lots of fun.....

> 10 things I hate about you and Clueless: Two 'better than average' teen
> comedies, IMHO. Doesn't meana whole lot thouh...;-)

I *loved* clueless and I liked 10 things I hate about you. 10 things was more
avarage. Not bad though.....

Stargate: Another good fun pocorn-type movie. Well executed, good

> casting.

I love the stargate show. The stargate movie was good fun as well, but I
simply like the show better.....

> Star Trek: First contact: What can I say, I love the Borg :-)
> (yesterdays ep was great...) Really dont like TOS movies though, and
> generations and insurrection weren't very convincing, IMHO...

Ouh yes...great sf movie. Disagree on the TOS movies though......loved them as
well. Agree on generations and insurection though.....

> 2001: a Space Oddessy: Another classic, signed by Kubrick. what more can
> I saw? (well, apart from lots ;-)

Still haven't seen that......

> Monty Python: Life of Brian and Quest for the Holy Grail: Given the
> header you chose, I'm surprised that these two movies aren't in your
> list ;-) Life of Brian is a brilliant satire, best of their movies, and
> Holy Grail not too far behind. Classic comedy.

Haven't seen those strangly enough. Going to watch them soonish, and I'm sure
I'll love them a *LOT*

See Ya,
George

[Jonathan Black]

On Thu, 4 May 2000, george van hal wrote:

> BJM is a definate must see. Tell us what you thought when you've
> seen it :-) Election I haven't heard too much about, apart from
> spotting the title on a release schedule. What's it about??

Reese Witherspoon, right? Eye candy, 'nuff said ;-)

> MV> In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a SW fan (don't
> MV> collect stuff though, stick with the movies, Zahn's trilogy ;-)
> MV> Hec, watched all 3 special editions back to back in a Star
> MV> Wars night at a movie thater in Paris (THX certified, of
> MV> course!)

>
> In Paris? Please tell me it wasn't dubbed........

Yes, please tell us that, Mattia.

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> Mary Shellys Frankenstein: FF Coppola version, with Branagh and DeNiro
> as the monetr, brilliantly done

Didn't like it. Too much decoration, too little content. All
about costumes and set designs, no drama, no Horror.

> Bram Stokers Dracula: Again, the Coppola version, quite well executed,
> though not as good as Frankenstein, IMHO

This one was done better, but not perfect.

I prefer another modern adaptation of a classis Horror novel:
Mary Reilly (1996). It's the story of Jekyll and Hide as it is
witnessed by Jekyll's made servant.

> 2001: a Space Oddessy: Another classic, signed by Kubrick. what more can
> I saw? (well, apart from lots ;-)

Has this movie ever been shown on Dutch television? I mean, such
a classic.

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[Peter Kleiweg]

Rob skriver...

> - Alien (tension)
> - Aliens (action)
> - Alien Ressurection (Wynona Rhyder)

You're skipping the only one that's on my list of favourites

> - The craft (Witches)

Charmed with an evil bite. Lovely film.

> - Interview with a vampire (Vampires rule)

Still on my wish list.

> - Dracula (The one with Wynona Rhyder)

Bram Stoker's Dracula. I like it. Could have been better.

> I do like blood and gore in horror movies. Unfortunately there is an awful
> lot of crap out there.

Good Horror movies don't always need this. Like The Exorcist 3.

--
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e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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This is NOT a good town. How many of us have lost someone who just
disappeared? Or got skinned? Or suffered neck rupture?
-- Joyce, Gingerbread

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> Peter Kleiweg:

> > Akira
> > Alien 3 (1992)
> > Bladerunner
> > Candyman (1992)

> > Cat People (1982, remake with Nastassia Kinski)

> > The Children's Hour (1961)
> > The Company of Wolves (1984)
> > The Crying Game (1992)
> > Hellraiser (1987)
> > Hellbound (1988)
> > Into the Night (1985)
> > Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence (1982)
> > My Own Private Idaho (1991)
> > Natural Born Killers
> > The Nightmare before Christmas
> > A Nightmare on Elmstreet
> > The Rocky Horror Picture Show
> > Silent Tongue
> > Splendor in the Grass (1961)
> > Stargate
> > Star Man
> > Wes Craven's New Nightmare

> So I see...very different taste from myself: don't really like

> the whole horror genre very much,

There are only nine Horror films in this list, and only five of
them scary.

> although I haven't really bothered looking at very many
> movies...the ones I've seen put me off.

What about Buffy and Angel? Don't you categorise these as
Horror?

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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I tried to communicate with the spirit world, and I SO wasn't
ready for that. It's like being pulled apart inside. Plus I blew
the power for our whole block. Big scare.
-- Willow, Dead Man's Party

[Jonathan Black]

On Thu, 4 May 2000, Peter Kleiweg wrote:

> Rob skriver...
>
> > - Alien (tension)
> > - Aliens (action)
> > - Alien Ressurection (Wynona Rhyder)
>
> You're skipping the only one that's on my list of favourites

Why did you *only* put the crappiest one on your list anyway?

;-)

[Peter Kleiweg]

Jonathan Black skriver...

Haven't seen part four yet, so we have:

Alien (tension)
Aliens (action)
Alien3 (chills)

I go for chills.

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Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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What? Oh! Uh, corpses, yes. Evil. Huh. Very good.
-- Giles, Some Assembly Required

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <3911F57B...@std.vu.nl>...

>Fuzzy wrote:
>>
>> george van hal wrote in message <39115648...@wxs.nl>...
>> >
>> >
>> >Fuzzy wrote:
>> >
>> >> >8) Space Balls:
>> >> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
>> >> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
>> >> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
>> >> >"So what does that make us?"
>> >> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
>> >>
>> >> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
>> >> "Hmmm, strawberry"
>> >
>> >Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the
>> raspberry!
>> >Lonestar!"
>>
>> You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
>> second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)
>

>You've only seen it TWICE?!?! ;-)

Well, yes, but I...I...
Ok, you're right, there really is no excuse...

>
>> ><
>> Snip about star wars>
>> >
>> >> >5) The usual suspects:
>> >> >Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
>> >> >(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that
coming
>> >> >untill a minute up front). Greatness...
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
>> >> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10
>> >
>> >And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure
it
>> >deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however.
Other
>> good
>> >thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and
Fallen.
>

>Devils Advocate and Fallen I think are ood choices for a top 10, but
>Heat is really, really good, IMHO. Pacino/DeNiro combo, great camera
>work, images, silences.

>
>> I fell asleep the first time I saw Heat, probably because I was
half-drunk
>> and it was about 2 in the morning when the movie _started_, but still, I
>

>Probably has a lot to do with it. Know a lot of people who thought it
>was dead boring though, as well as a whole lot who loved it..If you
>liked heat, you'll probably like 'The Insider' a lot too. Forgot to
>metnion that movie, buit its another strongly recommended movie thats
>out in theaters now, I believe. Another Michael Mann film (same
>director) with Pacino and Russel Crowe, and its a true story. It should
>have gotten some Oscars, I think..

I didn't like The Insider all _that_ much. It was a good movie all right,
but not deserving any Oscars IMHO. I even liked Erin Brockovitch better!
(Fire Shield on)

>
>> never did get to like it. Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as
TUS
>> or 7, IMHO. I didn't like Fallen so much: during the whole movie I
>> remembered the voice-over from the beginning and I saw the ending coming
>> from miles ahead. Bit of a letdown, cause the idea was very nice
>

>Yeah, saw the stupid Animal thing coming (<Spike>To coin a popular
>sunnydale phrase: 'Duh!'</Spike> :-)

>
>> >> >4) The Matrix:
>> >> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over
and
>> >> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
>> >>
>> >> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.
>> >
>> >I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally
got
>> in
>> >on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times
now....
>>
>> A whole group of us went to the cinema together for about five times.
We're
>> all a bit mad about it. My roommate has the DVD now, so I've seen it
about
>> 15 times too now I guess
>

>hehe...almost as bad as some people were with Titanic (but at least I
>can sort of relate to the Matrix re-vieweing) Had this guy on a TV
>interview who had been going to see Titanic every weekend since it was
>released (it had been out for around 3 months at the time...)

I feel very proud being able to truthfully say that I never ever saw
Titanic! I hate hypes almost as bad as commercials.

>Yep. Serious, sad, disturbing, but above all GOOD. Great acting by
>Edward Norton (who is unrecognizable..)

Quite an actor, Edward Norton. Isn't Primal Fear on this weekend? I do
believe he spend some time in the gym after that pic. :)

<Snip>

>> >
>> >> American Beauty
>> >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
>> I'm
>> >> glad it won all those oscars.
>> >
>> >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people
seem
>> to
>> >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I
were
>> the
>> >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also
very
>> good.
>>
>> You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get
the
>> movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane
comments
>> about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).
>

>Had very similar expirience..I was in a relatively full theater, and I
>was the only one laughing most of the time...started to wonder if
>something was wrong with me...:-)

There's nothing more wrong with you than with the rest of us....which isn't
saying much of course :)

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <3911F6BF...@std.vu.nl>...
>george van hal wrote:

For some reason your message doesn't appear on my server, George. Bloody
KPN..

>>
>> Fuzzy wrote:
>>
>> > >> - Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)
>> > >
>> > >Still haven't seen that one...seems the openeing landing sequence is
>> > >being used by the british army in a training tape..
>> >
>> > Yup, and justly so. It's _very_ realistic. Not for someone with a weak
>> > stomach.
>> > A very good movie. May be worth a spot in my top 11.
>>
>> And here my sad sad weak stomach comes into play :-( Don't know why, but
>> extensive blood or gore or in this case realism really bothers me. Don't
know
>> why. Allways had that. I'm missing out on some great films. Now only if
there
>> was a blood and gore tolerance patch I could use during those
scenes.....ah
>> well......

Well, my stomach usually doesn't bother me when I watch a movie or an
operation on tv. I must admid I got a bit queasy watching those first 20
minutes, though.

>
>Only bugs me if its my own (luckily, or these Anatomie Practica would be
>hell, but they are actually kinda fun :-)
>
>Speaking of bloody Movies, a fun Vampire movie to watch is 'From Dusk
>till Dawn" with Juliette lewis, George Clooney, Harvey Keitel, Quentin
>Tarantino, Salma Hayeck (briefly) and Cheech Marin 3 times (in three
>different roles..)

20 LINES OF SPOILERS FOR "FROM DUSK TILL DAWN".
5
4
3
2
1

Indeed! One of the funniest thriller/horror pics I ever saw and a great
cast! Ever since I saw Natural Born Killers, Juliette Lewis can do little
wrong as far as I'm concerned. Wonderfull to see George Clooney in a pic
like that. And Keitel was priceless with the sawed-off shotgun turned cross.
I believe a sequel has been made, but I never saw it. Anyone else did?

1
2
3
4
5

END SPOILERS

>
>> > >> - Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some
>> > reason
>> > >> I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies
you
>> > have
>> > >> to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).
>> > >
>> > >Strange choice..didn't see it, don' really like Hugh Grant much..
>> >
>> > One of the two Hugh Grant films worth watching, IMHO, the other one
being
>> > FWaaF.
>>
>> Yes, FWaaF was very good as well. Really fun stuff, and what can I
say....I just
>> *love* british swearing *bugger! bugger!*
>

>Wan't Fuckadoodledoo also in that movie? haven't seen it in the longest
>time...Brit swearing is also a bucketload of fun, which is why I like
>Spike so much. In fact, I'm working on a website (in collaboration with
>someone), sort of a semi-fanfic fictional newspaper/real news about
>buffy type site..Kind of novel concept, we think (haven't seen it
>before...) and I just finished writing the first Spike Column (I think
>its OK, don't really know though...lots of swearing it it :-) Site
>should really be running soon (need to write more stories, etc..)

Nice idea! Let me know when you're online.

Sierk

[Mattia Valente]

I was refering to the text, not really the list, as I don't know a lot
of the movies in it ;-) wasn't trying to say it was all horror (titles
likeSplendor in the Grass, and Merry Chirstmas Mr. Lawrence don't really
strike me as all too bone chilling :-)

Not a really big fan of slasher movies (like Candyman) or the Hellraiser
type stuff...doesn't do it for me. Not really scary, just not really my
thing.

> > although I haven't really bothered looking at very many
> > movies...the ones I've seen put me off.
>
> What about Buffy and Angel? Don't you categorise these as
> Horror?

Actually, no. We went through this whole categorization thing in nksf+f,
and Andrea came up with a good definition (which I can't find right
now..) Bascially, Buffy and Angel take elements from Horror, Fantasy,
Comedy, Drama, etc. and do somthing with them, use them to create their
own unique style, which doesnt really fit into any one category. If
pushed hard, I would categorize the show (mostly) as Occult Comedy (at
least today I would...:o)
What I consider Horror is the Freddy Krueger, Childs Play, type stuff (I
sort of Liked scream, but that wasn't scary in the slightest...never
watch them at theaters, means there is a very annying population of
noisy young teenagers that don't know how to shut up and watch a
movie...plus not really worth the mullah :-)

..hey, you're trying to get this thread back on Topic!!! Sneaky
move.....;-)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> george van hal wrote in message <39115648...@wxs.nl>...
> >
> >
> >Fuzzy wrote:
> >
> >> >8) Space Balls:
> >> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> >> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> >> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> >> >"So what does that make us?"
> >> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
> >>
> >> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
> >> "Hmmm, strawberry"
> >
> >Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the
> raspberry!
> >Lonestar!"
>
> You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
> second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)

You've only seen it TWICE?!?! ;-)

> ><

> Snip about star wars>
> >
> >> >5) The usual suspects:
> >> >Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> >> >(kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that coming
> >> >untill a minute up front). Greatness...
> >>
> >> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
> >> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10
> >
> >And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure it
> >deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however. Other
> good
> >thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and Fallen.

Devils Advocate and Fallen I think are ood choices for a top 10, but

Heat is really, really good, IMHO. Pacino/DeNiro combo, great camera
work, images, silences.

> I fell asleep the first time I saw Heat, probably because I was half-drunk

> and it was about 2 in the morning when the movie _started_, but still, I

Probably has a lot to do with it. Know a lot of people who thought it

was dead boring though, as well as a whole lot who loved it..If you
liked heat, you'll probably like 'The Insider' a lot too. Forgot to
metnion that movie, buit its another strongly recommended movie thats
out in theaters now, I believe. Another Michael Mann film (same
director) with Pacino and Russel Crowe, and its a true story. It should
have gotten some Oscars, I think..

> never did get to like it. Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as TUS

> or 7, IMHO. I didn't like Fallen so much: during the whole movie I
> remembered the voice-over from the beginning and I saw the ending coming
> from miles ahead. Bit of a letdown, cause the idea was very nice

Yeah, saw the stupid Animal thing coming (<Spike>To coin a popular

sunnydale phrase: 'Duh!'</Spike> :-)

> >> >4) The Matrix:

> >> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> >> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
> >>
> >> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.
> >
> >I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally got
> in
> >on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times now....
>
> A whole group of us went to the cinema together for about five times. We're
> all a bit mad about it. My roommate has the DVD now, so I've seen it about
> 15 times too now I guess

hehe...almost as bad as some people were with Titanic (but at least I

can sort of relate to the Matrix re-vieweing) Had this guy on a TV
interview who had been going to see Titanic every weekend since it was
released (it had been out for around 3 months at the time...)

> >> >1) Contact:

Yep. Serious, sad, disturbing, but above all GOOD. Great acting by

Edward Norton (who is unrecognizable..)

> >> Breaking the Waves

Yep. Agree again.

> >> Blade Runner
> >> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
> >> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
> >> can!
> >
> >I found Blade Runner disapointing. Someone recently said that was probably
> >because I didn't watch the directors cut. So I'm going to watch that
> >soonish.....
>
> I didn't notice all that many differences between the two. I don't think
> you'll really like the directors cut if you didn't like the other one.
>
> >
> >> American Beauty
> >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
> I'm
> >> glad it won all those oscars.
> >
> >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people seem
> to
> >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I were
> the
> >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also very
> good.
>
> You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get the
> movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane comments
> about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).

Had very similar expirience..I was in a relatively full theater, and I

was the only one laughing most of the time...started to wonder if
something was wrong with me...:-)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
>
> Fuzzy wrote:
>
> > >> - Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)
> > >
> > >Still haven't seen that one...seems the openeing landing sequence is
> > >being used by the british army in a training tape..
> >
> > Yup, and justly so. It's _very_ realistic. Not for someone with a weak
> > stomach.
> > A very good movie. May be worth a spot in my top 11.
>
> And here my sad sad weak stomach comes into play :-( Don't know why, but
> extensive blood or gore or in this case realism really bothers me. Don't know
> why. Allways had that. I'm missing out on some great films. Now only if there
> was a blood and gore tolerance patch I could use during those scenes.....ah
> well......

Only bugs me if its my own (luckily, or these Anatomie Practica would be

hell, but they are actually kinda fun :-)

Speaking of bloody Movies, a fun Vampire movie to watch is 'From Dusk
till Dawn" with Juliette lewis, George Clooney, Harvey Keitel, Quentin
Tarantino, Salma Hayeck (briefly) and Cheech Marin 3 times (in three
different roles..)

> > >> - Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some

> > reason
> > >> I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies you
> > have
> > >> to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).
> > >
> > >Strange choice..didn't see it, don' really like Hugh Grant much..
> >
> > One of the two Hugh Grant films worth watching, IMHO, the other one being
> > FWaaF.
>
> Yes, FWaaF was very good as well. Really fun stuff, and what can I say....I just
> *love* british swearing *bugger! bugger!*

Wan't Fuckadoodledoo also in that movie? haven't seen it in the longest
time...Brit swearing is also a bucketload of fun, which is why I like
Spike so much. In fact, I'm working on a website (in collaboration with
someone), sort of a semi-fanfic fictional newspaper/real news about
buffy type site..Kind of novel concept, we think (haven't seen it
before...) and I just finished writing the first Spike Column (I think
its OK, don't really know though...lots of swearing it it :-) Site
should really be running soon (need to write more stories, etc..)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
>
> Fuzzy wrote:
>
> > george van hal wrote in message <39115648...@wxs.nl>...
> > >
> > >
> > >Fuzzy wrote:
> > >
> > >> >8) Space Balls:
> > >> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> > >> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> > >> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> > >> >"So what does that make us?"
> > >> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
> > >>
> > >> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
> > >> "Hmmm, strawberry"
> > >
> > >Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the
> > raspberry!
> > >Lonestar!"
> >
> > You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
> > second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)
>
> The only problem with that being.....I can't seem to find it anywhere. I really
> want to buy the movie, but it's out of stock almost everywhere, my local video
> rental places have mispalced their copies and never replaced them (and that's
> happened at not one, not two, but three (!) places). Anyone with any tips on
> where to get my hands on a copy would be greatly rewarded (well ok, not rewarded
> in the literal sense...or in any other sense....)><

Try Blackstar's Video Hunt service

http://www.blackstar.co.uk/circle/video_hunt/7000000012001

if you really, really want it...a little pricey though. Maybe ebay or
other online auction places?

> > >> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
> > >> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10
> > >
> > >And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure it
> > >deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however. Other
> > good
> > >thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and Fallen.
> >
> > I fell asleep the first time I saw Heat, probably because I was half-drunk
> > and it was about 2 in the morning when the movie _started_, but still, I
> > never did get to like it.
>
> Had that with a few movies as well. First (ond only) time I saw bravehart was at
> a friends party where we started watching at about 3:30. Missed some parts due
> to extreme "meligheid" (excuse my dutch...but whats the translation for
> "melig"??), but I actually still enjoyed it.

Hmmm...closest thing I can think of is 'Silly', by which I mean the
monty python type of silly ("Stop it, this is getting silly..." type of
silly)

> Heat *is* however a long movie
> which I think you like or you don't like.....you didn't, I did :-)

I loved it. You should watch the Insider if you liked that one..more
Pacino, same director.

> > Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as TUS
> > or 7, IMHO.
>
> Indeed. The end ruined it (the whole thing being reset like that), but I never
> watch that part anymore. Like my own private directors cut ;-)

Yeah, except for that nice little detail with the reporter. Still would
have been better if it ended after the he did you know what (not to
spoil anyone :0)

> WARNING....SPOILERS FOR FALLEN BELOW
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> > I didn't like Fallen so much: during the whole movie I
> > remembered the voice-over from the beginning and I saw the ending coming
> > from miles ahead. Bit of a letdown, cause the idea was very nice
>
> I did *not* see the ending coming. I know the movie opens with "let me tell you
> about the time I nearly died" , but the voice is that of Denzel Washington, and
> the whole movie had me thinking the main character was the narrator. The fact
> that the narrator turned out to be the fallen angel was a huge surprise to me.

Hmmm...I did catch that pretty quick...

> Guess I perhaps should have seen it coming, but none of the people I watched the
> movie with did ether......the movie is a lot better with the surprise of the end
> though, so I'm kind of glad I didn't see it coming......

Yeah, it kinda makes the movie less. You already know that the Fallen
one is gonna get out of it, so you figure Denzel has gotta die...or will
he?

> > >> >4) The Matrix:
> > >> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> > >> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
> > >>
> > >> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.
> > >
> > >I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally got
> > in
> > >on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times now....
> >
> > A whole group of us went to the cinema together for about five times. We're
> > all a bit mad about it. My roommate has the DVD now, so I've seen it about
> > 15 times too now I guess
>
> Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(

Me too really...havta use a friends right now to watch stiff (don't own
any DVDs) next purchase is a Hoolywood+ card and a region free DVD
player..anyone have brands to recommend? :->

<SNIP contact and breaking waves stuff>

> > >> Pulp Fiction
> > >> Say no more
> > >
> > >Indeed. Only weird thing is, I've never seen it completly. It's one of
> > those
> > >movies I tend to watch in the middle of the night when someone's having a
> > party,
> > >and I allways miss the whole thing. And somehow I've never rented
> > it.....not
> > >sure why. I know I'd love it....ah well.....
> >
> > It's a classic film of the 90's. A real must-see.
>
> I *know*. Sad thing is I recently (as in just now actually) discovered I had it
> taped from television all this time......definatly gonna watch it now sometime
> soon........

Thats either a sign that your VCR corner is a mess or that you have WAY
too many tapes ;-)

> > >> Blade Runner
> > >> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes, Hauer
> > >> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but he
> > >> can!
> > >
> > >I found Blade Runner disapointing. Someone recently said that was probably
> > >because I didn't watch the directors cut. So I'm going to watch that
> > >soonish.....
> >
> > I didn't notice all that many differences between the two. I don't think
> > you'll really like the directors cut if you didn't like the other one.
>
> Hmm...still feel I should give it a second chance. Maybe I missed something on
> first watching :-)

Maybe, and get the Directors Cut..

> > > American Beauty
> > >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
> > I'm
> > >> glad it won all those oscars.
> > >
> > >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people seem
> > to
> > >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I were
> > the
> > >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also very
> > good.
> >
> > You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get the
> > movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane comments
> > about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).
>
> Irritating isn't that. Ah well we all have our pet peeves, especially at the
> movies. The most anoying thing is sitting beside people who don't get or don't
> like a movie you're enjoying. Ah well it happens :-)

that, and people talking..had it during Scream 3 (was really bored, only
movie starting at that time and at that place...should have saved the
mullah..) and worse, the first time I watched the Matrix...these two
people behind me wouldn't stop whispering and gigling...asked them to
shut up, didn't work..

> See Ya,
> George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)

Mattia
Who likes it too...Anyone for a Book thread? ;-)

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
> > You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
> > second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)
>
> The only problem with that being.....I can't seem to find it anywhere. I really
> want to buy the movie, but it's out of stock almost everywhere, my local video
> rental places have mispalced their copies and never replaced them (and that's
> happened at not one, not two, but three (!) places). Anyone with any tips on
> where to get my hands on a copy would be greatly rewarded (well ok, not rewarded
> in the literal sense...or in any other sense....)><

Umm...just checked, and if your VCR can play US tapes (and if it and
your TV are relatively new, it can...the little NTSC compatible thing..)
you can order it from Amazon.com (things not avaliable in the UK) for 10
bucks (14 for widescreen, which takes longer to ship, or 18 for DVD...)

See, that wasn't too hard? ;-)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115695...@std.vu.nl>...

> >Zwaaneveld wrote:
> >Spoiler Space for those who haven't seen the Usual Suspects (what are
> >you waiting for? Go rent the video!! :-)

> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
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> >.
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> >.
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> >.
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> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> >

> >> > 5) The usual suspects:
> >> > Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> >> > (kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that
> coming
> >> > untill a minute up front). Greatness...

> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> This one is in my top 3 (at least)
> >> Remember that part when the guy started walking normal again...
> >> one of my fav movie moments EVER!
> >
> >Definately. And thenthe whole ending with the quote and the cut to black
> >screen:
> >
> >"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he
> >didn't exist. And like that, he was gone."
> >

> >Actually, there is one great little reference to "The Usual Suspects" in
> >the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor Dolittle"; when he's walking into the
> >dog pound, hearing all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think)
> >Kevin Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big time..
> >

> >Mattia
>
> Doesn't Xander says somewhere in The Puppetshow: "Does anyone else feel like
> he's been Kayser Sozed?"
>
> Sierk

Possible...Its been mentioned somewhere in buffy, but I'll be damned if
I can remeber where exactly..wish I had transcripts here..

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > george van hal wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
> > > yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
> > > Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
> > > the fun side of ot-ness....so there!
> >
> > <stunned> whaaa....? whoo.....? George?!?! </stunned>
> >
> > OT can be fun...first truly OT thread I've seen (ever, I think..) slght
> > OTicness occurs, but not much..;-)
>
> I think there have been one or two other OT threads IIRC. Probably before you
> came to this NG though....and I don't think any of them had more than two
> maybe three posts in 'em.......

Hehe...yeah, haven't been here all that long, really...

> > > Anyways, since I referenced to movies (john woo, the matrix, some
> > > trailers etc.) and since I'm a *huge* moviefan myself (although this
> >
> > As am I, though I haven't found the time in the past weeks to watch
> > many...going this evening and tomorrow (or saturday) as well, methiks
> > (Being John Malkovich, I think I'll o watch election today, though I'm
> > not sure yet..)
>
> BJM is a definate must see. Tell us what you thought when you've seen it :-)

Will do..probably happen tomorrow (if its not too busy, etc.) else on
Saturday (sunday is Buffy day, since the showings are only late :-)

> Election I haven't heard too much about, apart from spotting the title on a
> release schedule. What's it about??

Its an MTV produced movie (of all things) thats basically a satire on
the 92 presidential elections in the US; Reese Whitherspoon (girl from
Cruel Intentions, now wife and mother of Ryan Phillipes daughter, I
believe..) plays Tracy Flick, a snooty, smartass girsl who is running
for class president, with nobody running against her. Broderick plays
the school principal who hates the girl (why is celar in movie..she had
an affair with a teacher and got him kicked out or something) so he
finds people to put up against her. Supposedly a very shapr, stinging
commentray on the US political system and good fun at the same time..

> > > (mattia I'm counting on you here...since you're allways bored :-)).
> >
> > Hehe...careful what you wish for, you just might get it...;-)
>
> I noticed.....still really enjoying this thread though so for me personally
> there's nothing wrong with posting a lot :-)

Posting Good. Broing Bad (see, somthing positive did come out of
watching Beer, Bad ;-)

> > > 10) Being John Malkovitz:
> > > Just so simply bizarre. Wonderfull.
> >
> > Must go see it very very soon (at the Pathe ArenA methinks, haven't been
> > there yet...Will go see very very soon. All my statside friends
> > recommend it heartily.
>
> I just read that Pathe ArenA still sucks a bit, with the whole thing not
> really completed yet. Also, I'm not sure if BJM plays in most large theatres.

Thats kinda the point..its notplaying in many places here in Amsterdam
(ArenA is really close by too, 2 stops by train, and I haven't been
there yet..)

> I went to see it in babylon (den haag) and that's a fairly small theatre. It
> didn't play in Pathé scheveningen (which I usually go to).....
>
> > > 8) Space Balls:
> > > I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
> > > (quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
> > > "Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
> > > "So what does that make us?"
> > > "Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
> >
> > ditto about quoting from memory..
> > "I see your Schwartz is just as Big as mine!!!"
> > "Merchandising! Where the money rom this movie is really made!"
> > "The schwartz? Naah, I found that in a crackerjack box!"
> > In the bar, with the 'Alien' spoof: "Not again!"
> > etc. etc. GREAT movie, one of the best spoofs of all time, IMHO....gotta
> > go find that videotape again..
>
> Of course, if you're not a star wars fan it isn't quite as funny.....but as
> far as spoofs go, there's nothing quite like it. Mel brooks is a spoofing
> genieus....

Definately..Must now add Robin Hood, Men in Tights (We're men, men in
tight (tight) tights!; Master Robin! You lost your arms in battle! but
you've grown a nice pair of boobs!")

> > > 7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
> > > What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
> > > wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great
> >
> > I guess...although you could say a whole lot of SciFi as fantasy
> > elements in it.
>
> The only Sci Fi elements were the space ships. SciFi is generally a story
> based on moderen science, a story based on what could happen in the future.

OK, I guess you have a point there...

> Fantasy creates a realm of it's own in which the basic laws of physics are
> different, in which anything is possible. All the Fantasy clichés (which I
> love btw) are in Star Wars as well. A young person (a boy. In this case Luke)
> is fulfilling his destination, and has special abilities. There's magick and a

Apart from the Magic bit, these are often elements in SciFi movies..Also
elements in Greek epic poems like the oddesy, for that matter...;-)

> group who uses that magick (the force and the jedi. Compare with The one power
> and the Aes Sedai in "the wheel of time" for instance). There's a battle
> between good and evil, where good finally wins. Etc. etc. etc.

Yeah, but now we knows its scientific, its symboitic bacteria, not just
some mystical life force ;-) So now its more SciFi ish, huh? ;-)

> > > stories. Classic moments. I can't see how these can be left out of
> > > anyone's top ten list......
> >
> > Agree completely. THe acting, etc. isn't superb or eve particularly
> > good, but the storyline, the saga, all the cheesy dialogue ("I have a
> > bad feeling about this" said 10 times throughout the 3 movies...) more
> > than make up for it. Lets not forget the special effects, the universe
> > vreated, the creatures, and the very memorable villans and good guys.
> > Scarily, movies are still being made with worse spcial effects than were
> > present in the original films. And please lets not forget the Music!
>
> Ouh, indeed. Let's not forget the music. Is there anyone who's not able to hum
> the star wars theme from memory??

Or better, if there are several of you, one person can start the bass
lines of the Imperial March (Vader theme) , and the rest go on and humm
the meldoy...:-)

> > In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a SW fan (don't collect stuff
> > though, stick with the movies, Zahn's trilogy ;-) Hec, watched all 3
> > special editions back to back in a Star Wars night at a movie thater in
> > Paris (THX certified, of course!)
>
> In Paris? Please tell me it wasn't dubbed........

Hell no!!! Only French TV is dummed (I meant dubbed, but dummed works
too ;-), about 70% of all movies shown in theaters are VO (you can find
dubbed if you look, and like here, most of the Cartoons and kids things
are dubbed as well, at least for most showings) I have seen Jedi in
french (on TV, since its the only SW movie they ever show in TV, for
some odd reason..)

I actually still have all the ticket stubbs for each time I've seen a SW
movie in the theater :-) (well, I keep almost all my stubbs
anyway..found them by accident recently..)

> > > 4) The Matrix:
> > > Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> > > over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
> >
> > Mixed feelings about this one. It WAS a great movie, amazing special FX
> > (though I'm still unsure it should have gotten the Oscar for them...bit
> > of a toss up; Matrix stuff was more original, etc. but TPM was more
> > grand in scale, etc..) and a good story, but IMHO it could have been
> > done a little better (the fact that it all had to degenerate into one
> > big shootout, albeit a very entertainin and well done shootout, bothered
> > me. Didn't live up to the expectations I had of it...still watched it
> > twice at the cinema though ;-)
>
> Well, there wasn't really another way for the story to go, given the story
> line about the matrix. The shootout came naturally from the story. It was used
> like sword fights and the use of magick are used in fantasy books. Greatly
> done......

Dunno..I was hoping they would deal with the metaphysical side a little
more (don't ask me how, I was just expecting a little more..)

> 2) JFK:
>
> > > What can I say? One of the most involving 3 hours of film for everyone
> > > interested in america and/or the death of JFK. Greatly directed and
> > > greatly acted. One of the few long films that's truly involving.....
> >
> > I haven't seen it (tried watching t once years ago..was babysitting,
> > they had the vid, tried watching it starting at 3 AM, so I fell
> > asleep..) Oliver Stone is a good director though, and I really should go
> > rent it, methinks.. Can't comment
>
> You really should......(or perhaps on the 9th if there's a *lot* of time
> left....nah :-))

Uhh...thats probably pushing it just a little ;-)

<SNip a bucnh of stuff>

> > Star Trek: First contact: What can I say, I love the Borg :-)
> > (yesterdays ep was great...) Really dont like TOS movies though, and
> > generations and insurrection weren't very convincing, IMHO...
>
> Ouh yes...great sf movie. Disagree on the TOS movies though......loved them as
> well. Agree on generations and insurection though.....

I just can't really stand Kirk..if he wasn't there, it would all be
peachy :-)

> > 2001: a Space Oddessy: Another classic, signed by Kubrick. what more can
> > I saw? (well, apart from lots ;-)
>
> Still haven't seen that......

Again, I am shocked ;-)

> > Monty Python: Life of Brian and Quest for the Holy Grail: Given the
> > header you chose, I'm surprised that these two movies aren't in your
> > list ;-) Life of Brian is a brilliant satire, best of their movies, and
> > Holy Grail not too far behind. Classic comedy.
>
> Haven't seen those strangly enough. Going to watch them soonish, and I'm sure
> I'll love them a *LOT*

Now that, my firend, is truly worrying. Basic lack in comedy education
(no Killer Rabbits seen, no pretend horses, no 'Always look on the
brigth side of life' at crucifictions, no 'what have the Romans ever
done for us' speech..). Where were you not so very many months back when
Net5 was doing their Python Nights and showed both movies? Have them on
Video, I think, I can bring em along if ya want...

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Peter Kleiweg wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente skriver...
>

> > Mary Shellys Frankenstein: FF Coppola version, with Branagh and DeNiro
> > as the monetr, brilliantly done
>
> Didn't like it. Too much decoration, too little content. All
> about costumes and set designs, no drama, no Horror.

Wan't really looking for horror, but I thought the drama, etc. was
there..

> > Bram Stokers Dracula: Again, the Coppola version, quite well executed,
> > though not as good as Frankenstein, IMHO
>
> This one was done better, but not perfect.

I would tend to apply the criticism you make for Frankentien to this
one, personally. Obviously, tastes differ ;-)

> I prefer another modern adaptation of a classis Horror novel:
> Mary Reilly (1996). It's the story of Jekyll and Hide as it is
> witnessed by Jekyll's made servant.

Yes, that was a good movie (Malkovich and Julia Roberts...very well
executed film)

> > 2001: a Space Oddessy: Another classic, signed by Kubrick. what more can
> > I saw? (well, apart from lots ;-)
>

> Has this movie ever been shown on Dutch television? I mean, such
> a classic.

I dunno, haven't lived here for that long (2 years in september..) Then
again, when is the last time Apocalypse Now or one of the SW films was
shown? (again, I wouldn't know...) Actually, arte did Apocalypse Now and
the making of documentary not so very long ago, I believe (well, its
been months, but still...watche dit in France but its bascially the same
channel..)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Jonathan Black wrote:

>
> On Thu, 4 May 2000, george van hal wrote:
>
> > BJM is a definate must see. Tell us what you thought when you've
> > seen it :-) Election I haven't heard too much about, apart from
> > spotting the title on a release schedule. What's it about??
>

> Reese Witherspoon, right? Eye candy, 'nuff said ;-)

Yeah. Plus she can act, and its supposed to be good satire/comdey of the
US electoral system...fitting for this year again..

> > MV> In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a SW fan (don't
> > MV> collect stuff though, stick with the movies, Zahn's trilogy ;-)
> > MV> Hec, watched all 3 special editions back to back in a Star
> > MV> Wars night at a movie thater in Paris (THX certified, of
> > MV> course!)

> >
> > In Paris? Please tell me it wasn't dubbed........
>

> Yes, please tell us that, Mattia.

Ok, I'll say it again: 'twas subtitled, I have never, repeat NEVER
watched a movie dubbed in a theater (in France at least..watched Twister
in Italian with my cousins, and like 2 movies when I was about 10 and
living ingermany where subtitles don't exist..)

Happy and relieved now? Problem is, of course, that I have seen Buffy
and a lot of other TV sereis in french (and German, and Italian once in
a while...) Makes watching TV in Holland that little bit more addictive
:-)

Mattia

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> Fuzzy wrote:
> >
> > Mattia Valente wrote:
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.

> > > Actually, there is one great little reference to "The
> > > Usual Suspects" in the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor
> > > Dolittle"; when he's walking into the dog pound, hearing
> > > all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think) Kevin
> > > Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big
> > > time..
> >

> > Doesn't Xander says somewhere in The Puppetshow: "Does
> > anyone else feel like he's been Kayser Sozed?"
>

> Possible...Its been mentioned somewhere in buffy, but I'll be
> damned if I can remeber where exactly..wish I had transcripts
> here..

Xander: So, the dummy tells us that he's a demon hunter. And we're,
like, fine, la la la la. He takes off, and now there's a brain. Does
anybody else feel like they've been Keyser Soze'd?

http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/

--
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e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

She just left. She didn't even care enough to cut off my head or set me
on fire. I mean, is that too much to ask? You know? Some little sign
that she cared?
-- Spike, Lovers Walk

[wheez50]

Fuzzy <si...@hetnet.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
G0iQ4.4970$Gy3.1...@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com...

>
> wheez50 wrote in message <8eq8hm$gk4$1...@news.hccnet.nl>...
> >First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre

...

> >*Cherry 2000 ;-)
> >etc.
> >
>
>
> Cherry 2000?!!? Haha
> Well C2000 was a very laughable movie. Laughed harder there than any
Nielsen
> movie I ever saw.
>
> Sierk

In my opinion The morale of the story (choosing for the redhead instead of
the roboblonde) was well balanced and finely worked out ;-).

Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
39115504...@std.vu.nl...

> wheez50 wrote:
> >
> > First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre

...
> > etc.
>
> wow...are you actually SERIOUS??? Watrworld at number 1? I mean, its not
> as terrible as a lot of people made it ot to be, but still...Next you'll
> be telling me you enjoyed 'Postman'... ;-)
>
> Mattia
> there, I think I responeded to every message in this thread now..;-)

Just a little bit o' Kevin fan.

Talkin' 'bout kevin.. Where is dances with wolves in all those reps?

{duck}{duck}{duck}

Wheez50

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
<Snips>

> I didn't like The Insider all _that_ much. It was a good movie all right,
> but not deserving any Oscars IMHO. I even liked Erin Brockovitch better!
> (Fire Shield on)

I won't bother. Its one of those 'you think its brilliant or ya don't'
situations. I loved the whole camera work, subtle details of HOW it was
filmed, what was filmed, sound editing, (more impressive sound, or lack
thereof, than the Matrix, IMNSHO) the whole thing fit together really
well. Strong imgaery used, etc. Thats what impressed me a lot, not just
the story, the whole 'artistic' side to it.

So, did you watch TMP? ;-)

I watched it before it became all hyped up (about the same week it was
released in theaters, before the ridiculous numbers started showing
up..what I saw didn't impress me overly much, didn't feel the need to
see the beginning or the ending of it..)

> >Yep. Serious, sad, disturbing, but above all GOOD. Great acting by
> >Edward Norton (who is unrecognizable..)
>
> Quite an actor, Edward Norton. Isn't Primal Fear on this weekend? I do
> believe he spend some time in the gym after that pic. :)

Before merican History X, you mean? and not long after, he was back to
his old self..And is it on? Me go watch it then :-)

>
> <Snip>
>
> >> >
> >> >> American Beauty
> >> >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
> >> I'm
> >> >> glad it won all those oscars.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people
> seem
> >> to
> >> >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I
> were
> >> the
> >> >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also
> very
> >> good.
> >>
> >> You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get
> the
> >> movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane
> comments
> >> about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).
> >
> >Had very similar expirience..I was in a relatively full theater, and I
> >was the only one laughing most of the time...started to wonder if
> >something was wrong with me...:-)
>
> There's nothing more wrong with you than with the rest of us....which isn't
> saying much of course :)

Right...how very reassuring..NOT ;-)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

wheez50 wrote:
>
> Fuzzy <si...@hetnet.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> G0iQ4.4970$Gy3.1...@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com...
> >
> > wheez50 wrote in message <8eq8hm$gk4$1...@news.hccnet.nl>...
> > >First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre
> ...
> > >*Cherry 2000 ;-)
> > >etc.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Cherry 2000?!!? Haha
> > Well C2000 was a very laughable movie. Laughed harder there than any
> Nielsen
> > movie I ever saw.
> >
> > Sierk
>
> In my opinion The morale of the story (choosing for the redhead instead of
> the roboblonde) was well balanced and finely worked out ;-).

What about the Moral of the story? ;-) (sorry, couldn't help myself)

> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 39115504...@std.vu.nl...
> > wheez50 wrote:
> > >
> > > First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre
> ...
> > > etc.
> >
> > wow...are you actually SERIOUS??? Watrworld at number 1? I mean, its not
> > as terrible as a lot of people made it ot to be, but still...Next you'll
> > be telling me you enjoyed 'Postman'... ;-)
> >
> > Mattia
> > there, I think I responeded to every message in this thread now..;-)
>
> Just a little bit o' Kevin fan.
>
> Talkin' 'bout kevin.. Where is dances with wolves in all those reps?
>
> {duck}{duck}{duck}

You're gonna have to duck faster and find a better place to hide...I'm
gonna go borrow P@tricks really expensive shiny new rocket launcher
now...:-p

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote in message <3911F6BF...@std.vu.nl>...
> >george van hal wrote:
>
> For some reason your message doesn't appear on my server, George. Bloody
> KPN..
>
> >>

> >> Fuzzy wrote:
> >>
> >> > >> - Saving private Ryan (Pretty realistic, as far as possible)
> >> > >
> >> > >Still haven't seen that one...seems the openeing landing sequence is
> >> > >being used by the british army in a training tape..
> >> >
> >> > Yup, and justly so. It's _very_ realistic. Not for someone with a weak
> >> > stomach.
> >> > A very good movie. May be worth a spot in my top 11.
> >>
> >> And here my sad sad weak stomach comes into play :-( Don't know why, but
> >> extensive blood or gore or in this case realism really bothers me. Don't
> know
> >> why. Allways had that. I'm missing out on some great films. Now only if
> there
> >> was a blood and gore tolerance patch I could use during those
> scenes.....ah
> >> well......
>

> Well, my stomach usually doesn't bother me when I watch a movie or an
> operation on tv. I must admid I got a bit queasy watching those first 20
> minutes, though.
>
> >

> >Only bugs me if its my own (luckily, or these Anatomie Practica would be
> >hell, but they are actually kinda fun :-)
> >
> >Speaking of bloody Movies, a fun Vampire movie to watch is 'From Dusk
> >till Dawn" with Juliette lewis, George Clooney, Harvey Keitel, Quentin
> >Tarantino, Salma Hayeck (briefly) and Cheech Marin 3 times (in three
> >different roles..)
>

> 20 LINES OF SPOILERS FOR "FROM DUSK TILL DAWN".
> 5
> 4
> 3
> 2
> 1
>
> Indeed! One of the funniest thriller/horror pics I ever saw and a great
> cast! Ever since I saw Natural Born Killers, Juliette Lewis can do little
> wrong as far as I'm concerned. Wonderfull to see George Clooney in a pic
> like that. And Keitel was priceless with the sawed-off shotgun turned cross.
> I believe a sequel has been made, but I never saw it. Anyone else did?
>
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> 5
>
> END SPOILERS
> >

> >> > >> - Notting hill (I was more or less forced to watch it and for some
> >> > reason
> >> > >> I enjoyed it. This choice stands for all those "feel good" movies
> you
> >> > have
> >> > >> to watch once in a while. Just sit down and smile).
> >> > >
> >> > >Strange choice..didn't see it, don' really like Hugh Grant much..
> >> >
> >> > One of the two Hugh Grant films worth watching, IMHO, the other one
> being
> >> > FWaaF.
> >>
> >> Yes, FWaaF was very good as well. Really fun stuff, and what can I
> say....I just
> >> *love* british swearing *bugger! bugger!*
> >
> >Wan't Fuckadoodledoo also in that movie? haven't seen it in the longest
> >time...Brit swearing is also a bucketload of fun, which is why I like
> >Spike so much. In fact, I'm working on a website (in collaboration with
> >someone), sort of a semi-fanfic fictional newspaper/real news about
> >buffy type site..Kind of novel concept, we think (haven't seen it
> >before...) and I just finished writing the first Spike Column (I think
> >its OK, don't really know though...lots of swearing it it :-) Site
> >should really be running soon (need to write more stories, etc..)
>

> Nice idea! Let me know when you're online.
>
> Sierk

Prelim site is up, I just saw, and the column is uploaded..Not too great
yet, I'm gonna write some more 'articles' tomorrow. Feel free to tell me
what you think...Other guys wrote the Willow Column (which is harder to
do IMHO, so I'll stick to the Spike. Feedback welcome, but I already
said that..)

http://www.demonpost.co.uk

Mattia
Who's hoping other people think its as funny as he thought it was when
he wrote it :-)

[wheez50]

Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws

39120DB2...@std.vu.nl...

> wheez50 wrote:
> >
> > Fuzzy <si...@hetnet.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > G0iQ4.4970$Gy3.1...@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com...
> > >
> > > wheez50 wrote in message <8eq8hm$gk4$1...@news.hccnet.nl>...
> > > >First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre
...

> > {duck}{duck}{duck}
>
> You're gonna have to duck faster and find a better place to hide...I'm
> gonna go borrow P@tricks really expensive shiny new rocket launcher
> now...:-p
>
> Mattia

He'll ne'er give you that. I got him Angel on video (*twice*) when he missed
it and threw in a *free* ep. of Charmed. Got some credits (i hope).

Wheez
(who is emigrating to Watertown Massachusets US)
(for the pro's: Why there?)

[Mattia Valente]

wheez50 wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 39120DB2...@std.vu.nl...
> > wheez50 wrote:
> > >
> > > Fuzzy <si...@hetnet.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > > G0iQ4.4970$Gy3.1...@news.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com...
> > > >
> > > > wheez50 wrote in message <8eq8hm$gk4$1...@news.hccnet.nl>...
> > > > >First of all an ot at times is funny. I'm missing my favorite genre
> ...
> > > {duck}{duck}{duck}
> >
> > You're gonna have to duck faster and find a better place to hide...I'm
> > gonna go borrow P@tricks really expensive shiny new rocket launcher
> > now...:-p
> >
> > Mattia
>
> He'll ne'er give you that. I got him Angel on video (*twice*) when he missed
> it and threw in a *free* ep. of Charmed. Got some credits (i hope).

Damn...;-)

> Wheez
> (who is emigrating to Watertown Massachusets US)
> (for the pro's: Why there?)

?

Mattia

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> Peter Kleiweg wrote:

> > I prefer another modern adaptation of a classis Horror novel:
> > Mary Reilly (1996). It's the story of Jekyll and Hide as it is
> > witnessed by Jekyll's made servant.
>
> Yes, that was a good movie (Malkovich and Julia Roberts...very well
> executed film)

The servant wasn't made (Frankenstein again), I meant "maid servant".

> I dunno, haven't lived here for that long (2 years in september..) Then
> again, when is the last time Apocalypse Now or one of the SW films was
> shown?

The first three SW films were all on Dutch TV. But I don't care much
for Fantasy (with some exceptions, like Xena and Hercules).

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

It just kinda bugs me.
-- Xander, Teacher's Pet

[Peter Kleiweg]

Fuzzy skriver...

> 20 LINES OF SPOILERS FOR "FROM DUSK TILL DAWN".

Where did you learn to count? Did all that astronomy study made
you scared of spaces?

> 5
> 4
> 3
> 2
> 1
>
> Indeed! One of the funniest thriller/horror pics I ever saw and a great
> cast! Ever since I saw Natural Born Killers, Juliette Lewis can do little
> wrong as far as I'm concerned. Wonderfull to see George Clooney in a pic
> like that. And Keitel was priceless with the sawed-off shotgun turned cross.
> I believe a sequel has been made, but I never saw it. Anyone else did?

From Dusk Till Dawn was the first film with Juliette Lewis I
saw. She won me over immediately. I saw her in two more movies,
Natural Born Killers, and That Night (?), a romantic teen drama
set in suburban fifties (with a very young Eliza Dushku). Her
name on the list of actors is enough reason for me to see a
film. Others are Theresa Russell and Meg Tilly.

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Oh, God. Are we killing something again?
-- Cordelia, Band Candy

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> > Heat *is* however a long movie
> > which I think you like or you don't like.....you didn't, I did :-)
>
> I loved it. You should watch the Insider if you liked that one..more
> Pacino, same director.

Yeah, I really wanted to go see that in a theatre, but I was outvoted to see american
pie a second time. Than this week we decided to do scream 3 (which I gave a miss).
Most weeks before we allready went to the theatre twice a week, so a third time wasn't
going to happen ;-). I'm gonna see if it's still playing anywhere though, otherwise
I'm gonna have to catch it on video....

> > > Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as TUS
> > > or 7, IMHO.
> >
> > Indeed. The end ruined it (the whole thing being reset like that), but I never
> > watch that part anymore. Like my own private directors cut ;-)
>
> Yeah, except for that nice little detail with the reporter. Still would
> have been better if it ended after the he did you know what (not to
> spoil anyone :0)

Yeah, I had read that the end spoiled the film, so when he did you know what I was all
like, well that didn't suck, I loved the ending fully expecting the credits to pop up,
but they didn't.....damnit...

> > Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(
>
> Me too really...havta use a friends right now to watch stiff (don't own
> any DVDs) next purchase is a Hoolywood+ card and a region free DVD
> player..anyone have brands to recommend? :->

Don't have friends with DVD players, unfortunatly....most of 'em are just poor
students, like me :-)
Ah well....

> <SNIP contact and breaking waves stuff>
> > > >> Pulp Fiction
> > > >> Say no more
> > > >
> > > >Indeed. Only weird thing is, I've never seen it completly. It's one of
> > > those
> > > >movies I tend to watch in the middle of the night when someone's having a
> > > party,
> > > >and I allways miss the whole thing. And somehow I've never rented
> > > it.....not
> > > >sure why. I know I'd love it....ah well.....
> > >
> > > It's a classic film of the 90's. A real must-see.
> >
> > I *know*. Sad thing is I recently (as in just now actually) discovered I had it
> > taped from television all this time......definatly gonna watch it now sometime
> > soon........
>
> Thats either a sign that your VCR corner is a mess or that you have WAY
> too many tapes ;-)

Too many tapes. I tape most shows I like, I tape lots of movies and I have a smallish
collection of bought videos (smallish in comparison with some collections I've
seen....). All of that's in one place, so it's failry hard to loose tapes.....

> > > >> Blade Runner

> > Hmm...still feel I should give it a second chance. Maybe I missed something on
> > first watching :-)
>
> Maybe, and get the Directors Cut..

I will :-)

> > George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)
>
> Mattia
> Who likes it too...Anyone for a Book thread? ;-)

A book thread, a tv show thread, a music thread etc. etc. The possibilities are
endless ;-)

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

IIRC my video can't play american tapes (At least there's no mention in can anywhere,
including the manual). And besides I'm greatly lacking a credit card, so most of the
time I can't buy anything online....

Thanks anyway though :-)

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

> Prelim site is up, I just saw, and the column is uploaded..Not too great
> yet, I'm gonna write some more 'articles' tomorrow. Feel free to tell me
> what you think...Other guys wrote the Willow Column (which is harder to
> do IMHO, so I'll stick to the Spike. Feedback welcome, but I already
> said that..)
>
> http://www.demonpost.co.uk
>
> Mattia
> Who's hoping other people think its as funny as he thought it was when
> he wrote it :-)

Just visited the site. A nice idea indeed. Something similar was featured in the
official magazine some time back, but I haven't seen any websites with similar
ideas. Fun. Oh and don't worry about the column mattia, I really liked it, which,
again, isn't saying too much of course :-)

See Ya,
George

(who just noticed that this was sort of on topic.....now where the hell did this
come from ;-)).

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> Fuzzy wrote:
> <Snips>

> > I didn't like The Insider all _that_ much. It was a good movie all right,
> > but not deserving any Oscars IMHO. I even liked Erin Brockovitch better!
> > (Fire Shield on)
>

> I won't bother. Its one of those 'you think its brilliant or ya don't'
> situations. I loved the whole camera work, subtle details of HOW it was
> filmed, what was filmed, sound editing, (more impressive sound, or lack
> thereof, than the Matrix, IMNSHO) the whole thing fit together really
> well. Strong imgaery used, etc. Thats what impressed me a lot, not just
> the story, the whole 'artistic' side to it.

Ok, now I *really* want to see it. It sounds like my kind of movie....

> > >> >> American Beauty
> > >> >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> glad it won all those oscars.
> > >> >
> > >> >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people
> > seem
> > >> to
> > >> >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I
> > were
> > >> the
> > >> >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also
> > very
> > >> good.
> > >>
> > >> You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get
> > the
> > >> movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane
> > comments
> > >> about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).
> > >
> > >Had very similar expirience..I was in a relatively full theater, and I
> > >was the only one laughing most of the time...started to wonder if
> > >something was wrong with me...:-)
> >
> > There's nothing more wrong with you than with the rest of us....which isn't
> > saying much of course :)
>

> Right...how very reassuring..NOT ;-)

*lol* Face it mattia, you are cursed with the same (apareantly rare) sense of
humor as we are.......now wait..stop! that's no reason to kill yourself.....or
well maybe it actually is....

See Ya,
George (who's hoping mattia didn't take that last comment to seriously :-p )

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> Jonathan Black wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 4 May 2000, george van hal wrote:
> >
> > > BJM is a definate must see. Tell us what you thought when you've
> > > seen it :-) Election I haven't heard too much about, apart from
> > > spotting the title on a release schedule. What's it about??
> >
> > Reese Witherspoon, right? Eye candy, 'nuff said ;-)
>
> Yeah. Plus she can act, and its supposed to be good satire/comdey of the
> US electoral system...fitting for this year again..

Ouh, reese witherspoon. Allways nice to look at, Plus a good satire/comedy
allways gets me going....should check it out....now if only I can convince
some friends (who wanted to go see stigmata next actually....)

> > > MV> In case you haven't figured it out, I'm a SW fan (don't
> > > MV> collect stuff though, stick with the movies, Zahn's trilogy ;-)
> > > MV> Hec, watched all 3 special editions back to back in a Star
> > > MV> Wars night at a movie thater in Paris (THX certified, of
> > > MV> course!)
> > >
> > > In Paris? Please tell me it wasn't dubbed........
> >
> > Yes, please tell us that, Mattia.
>
> Ok, I'll say it again: 'twas subtitled, I have never, repeat NEVER
> watched a movie dubbed in a theater (in France at least..watched Twister
> in Italian with my cousins, and like 2 movies when I was about 10 and
> living ingermany where subtitles don't exist..)

As it should be :-)

> Happy and relieved now?

Very happy and very relieved ;-)

> Problem is, of course, that I have seen Buffy
> and a lot of other TV sereis in french (and German, and Italian once in
> a while...) Makes watching TV in Holland that little bit more addictive
> :-)

<notionalist mode on>
Yes...holland is one of the greatest countries in the world
<notionalist mode off>

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> george van hal wrote:
> >
> > Mattia Valente wrote:
> >
> > > george van hal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, first off for all those shocked beyond belief (I know who you are!),
> > > > yes I'm posting an OT message.....and no someone hasn't invaded my body.
> > > > Since I started reading nksf (not posting a lot though) I started seeing
> > > > the fun side of ot-ness....so there!
> > >
> > > <stunned> whaaa....? whoo.....? George?!?! </stunned>
> > >
> > > OT can be fun...first truly OT thread I've seen (ever, I think..) slght
> > > OTicness occurs, but not much..;-)
> >
> > I think there have been one or two other OT threads IIRC. Probably before you
> > came to this NG though....and I don't think any of them had more than two
> > maybe three posts in 'em.......
>
> Hehe...yeah, haven't been here all that long, really...

Indeed, and yet I guess you're the top poster in here now (as in the person who
posts the most). We really should do a top posters list in here as well, like they
do in nksf. It should be fun watching how much everyone posts. So how *do* they do
that in nksf......??

> > > > Anyways, since I referenced to movies (john woo, the matrix, some
> > > > trailers etc.) and since I'm a *huge* moviefan myself (although this
> > >
> > > As am I, though I haven't found the time in the past weeks to watch
> > > many...going this evening and tomorrow (or saturday) as well, methiks
> > > (Being John Malkovich, I think I'll o watch election today, though I'm
> > > not sure yet..)
> >
> > BJM is a definate must see. Tell us what you thought when you've seen it :-)
>
> Will do..probably happen tomorrow (if its not too busy, etc.) else on
> Saturday (sunday is Buffy day, since the showings are only late :-)

Greatness.......I'm sure you'll love it.....

> > Election I haven't heard too much about, apart from spotting the title on a
> > release schedule. What's it about??
>
> Its an MTV produced movie (of all things) thats basically a satire on
> the 92 presidential elections in the US; Reese Whitherspoon (girl from
> Cruel Intentions, now wife and mother of Ryan Phillipes daughter, I
> believe..) plays Tracy Flick, a snooty, smartass girsl who is running
> for class president, with nobody running against her. Broderick plays
> the school principal who hates the girl (why is celar in movie..she had
> an affair with a teacher and got him kicked out or something) so he
> finds people to put up against her. Supposedly a very shapr, stinging
> commentray on the US political system and good fun at the same time..

Ouh that sounds really good (better than stigmata which is supposed to be the next
movie we go to). I'll be hoping to see it in a theatre soonish :-)

> > > > (mattia I'm counting on you here...since you're allways bored :-)).
> > >
> > > Hehe...careful what you wish for, you just might get it...;-)
> >
> > I noticed.....still really enjoying this thread though so for me personally
> > there's nothing wrong with posting a lot :-)
>
> Posting Good. Broing Bad (see, somthing positive did come out of
> watching Beer, Bad ;-)

*lol*, well I guess you're right there :-)

> > I just read that Pathe ArenA still sucks a bit, with the whole thing not
> > really completed yet. Also, I'm not sure if BJM plays in most large theatres.
>
> Thats kinda the point..its notplaying in many places here in Amsterdam
> (ArenA is really close by too, 2 stops by train, and I haven't been
> there yet..)

Well, if you do see it in ArenA tell us what that was like. I actually really want
to go there some time in the future as well......

> > Of course, if you're not a star wars fan it isn't quite as funny.....but as
> > far as spoofs go, there's nothing quite like it. Mel brooks is a spoofing
> > genieus....
>
> Definately..Must now add Robin Hood, Men in Tights (We're men, men in
> tight (tight) tights!; Master Robin! You lost your arms in battle! but
> you've grown a nice pair of boobs!")

Oh yes, men in tights was very funny as well. Not as good as spaceballs. Hmm hoping
wrongfully acused will be funny, since I'm going to see that as soon as it comes out
(there haven't been enough spoofs lately)....

> > > > 7) Star Wars 4 to 6:
> > > > What can I say? Great moments in sf/fantasy movie making('cause star
> > > > wars really is fantasy imho, no matter what anyone else says ;-)). Great
> > >
> > > I guess...although you could say a whole lot of SciFi as fantasy
> > > elements in it.
> >
> > The only Sci Fi elements were the space ships. SciFi is generally a story
> > based on moderen science, a story based on what could happen in the future.
>
> OK, I guess you have a point there...

Thank you ;-)

> > Fantasy creates a realm of it's own in which the basic laws of physics are
> > different, in which anything is possible. All the Fantasy clichés (which I
> > love btw) are in Star Wars as well. A young person (a boy. In this case Luke)
> > is fulfilling his destination, and has special abilities. There's magick and a
>
> Apart from the Magic bit, these are often elements in SciFi movies..Also
> elements in Greek epic poems like the oddesy, for that matter...;-)

Ok, you have a point there as well. But *magick* isn't in any true sf movie.....
It is in Greek epic poems. Thats fairly logical actually since mythology is an
ancient form of fantasy. Or better put, fantasy is the mythology of the present
day.....

> > group who uses that magick (the force and the jedi. Compare with The one power
> > and the Aes Sedai in "the wheel of time" for instance). There's a battle
> > between good and evil, where good finally wins. Etc. etc. etc.
>
> Yeah, but now we knows its scientific, its symboitic bacteria, not just
> some mystical life force ;-) So now its more SciFi ish, huh? ;-)

*lol*. That was actually one thing that bothered me in TPM. I liked the force to be
more mysterious, more magical. Now its tiny bacteria. Kinda makes it loose it's
fun.......

> > Ouh, indeed. Let's not forget the music. Is there anyone who's not able to hum
> > the star wars theme from memory??
>
> Or better, if there are several of you, one person can start the bass
> lines of the Imperial March (Vader theme) , and the rest go on and humm
> the meldoy...:-)

Ouh, that actually sounds like fun (how sad am I?). Must try that soonish.......

> > > > 4) The Matrix:
> > > > Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over and
> > > > over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
> > >
> > > Mixed feelings about this one. It WAS a great movie, amazing special FX
> > > (though I'm still unsure it should have gotten the Oscar for them...bit
> > > of a toss up; Matrix stuff was more original, etc. but TPM was more
> > > grand in scale, etc..) and a good story, but IMHO it could have been
> > > done a little better (the fact that it all had to degenerate into one
> > > big shootout, albeit a very entertainin and well done shootout, bothered
> > > me. Didn't live up to the expectations I had of it...still watched it
> > > twice at the cinema though ;-)
> >
> > Well, there wasn't really another way for the story to go, given the story
> > line about the matrix. The shootout came naturally from the story. It was used
> > like sword fights and the use of magick are used in fantasy books. Greatly
> > done......
>
> Dunno..I was hoping they would deal with the metaphysical side a little
> more (don't ask me how, I was just expecting a little more..)

Perhaps the matrix 2 and 3? (I can't imagine feeling like seeing a sequal more. I
guess I'm just destined to be a *huge* matrix fan :-)).

> > 2) JFK:
> >
> > > > What can I say? One of the most involving 3 hours of film for everyone
> > > > interested in america and/or the death of JFK. Greatly directed and
> > > > greatly acted. One of the few long films that's truly involving.....
> > >
> > > I haven't seen it (tried watching t once years ago..was babysitting,
> > > they had the vid, tried watching it starting at 3 AM, so I fell
> > > asleep..) Oliver Stone is a good director though, and I really should go
> > > rent it, methinks.. Can't comment
> >
> > You really should......(or perhaps on the 9th if there's a *lot* of time
> > left....nah :-))
>
> Uhh...thats probably pushing it just a little ;-)

Probably, yes :-)

> <SNip a bucnh of stuff>
> > > Star Trek: First contact: What can I say, I love the Borg :-)
> > > (yesterdays ep was great...) Really dont like TOS movies though, and
> > > generations and insurrection weren't very convincing, IMHO...
> >
> > Ouh yes...great sf movie. Disagree on the TOS movies though......loved them as
> > well. Agree on generations and insurection though.....
>
> I just can't really stand Kirk..if he wasn't there, it would all be
> peachy :-)

I can imagine. I dislike janeway for instance, almost can't stand the woman, so I
simply don't like voyager for instance.....

> > > 2001: a Space Oddessy: Another classic, signed by Kubrick. what more can
> > > I saw? (well, apart from lots ;-)
> >
> > Still haven't seen that......
>
> Again, I am shocked ;-)

I *know*. I almost shocked myself.......I must watch soonish (I'm saying that a lot
lately...)

> > > Monty Python: Life of Brian and Quest for the Holy Grail: Given the
> > > header you chose, I'm surprised that these two movies aren't in your
> > > list ;-) Life of Brian is a brilliant satire, best of their movies, and
> > > Holy Grail not too far behind. Classic comedy.
> >
> > Haven't seen those strangly enough. Going to watch them soonish, and I'm sure
> > I'll love them a *LOT*
>
> Now that, my firend, is truly worrying. Basic lack in comedy education
> (no Killer Rabbits seen, no pretend horses, no 'Always look on the
> brigth side of life' at crucifictions, no 'what have the Romans ever
> done for us' speech..). Where were you not so very many months back when
> Net5 was doing their Python Nights and showed both movies? Have them on
> Video, I think, I can bring em along if ya want...

Ok, first of I know it's weird I haven't seen the monthy python movies, but I never
even knew about MP's existance to about a year back when a friend of mine turned out
to be a huge fan. Watched some skits at his place and discovered I *loved* the
humor. I comepletly missed out on the monthy python night on net5, not sure why. Oh
and sure you can bring the movies along. Not sure if we'll get to watching them, but
if we don't I can allways borrow 'em from that same friend. So just use your own
judgement there :-)

See Ya,
George

[Jonathan Black]

On Fri, 5 May 2000, george van hal wrote:

> Indeed, and yet I guess you're the top poster in here now (as in
> the person who posts the most). We really should do a top posters
> list in here as well, like they do in nksf. It should be fun
> watching how much everyone posts. So how *do* they do that in
> nksf......??

The monthly lists [1] are compiled by good old me. I just save all
the month's messages to one big file (called nksf) after which the
following UNIX comand

$ frm nksf | cut -c-22 | sort | uniq -c | sort -r | cat -n

pretty much outputs the list. I do some preliminary tweaking to
combine slightly different names which are actually the same people
and for now I'm still simply adding the "last month" positions by
hand.

I was actaully going to to one for April for this group just for the
heck of it, but unfortunately it seems my server doesn't keep
messages for this group for as long as it does for the nl.* groups
so I didn't have the whole month any more. If you like I'll make a
point of saving them every week or so so I have the whole month at
the end of the month and then I could provide the same service here.
Here's a test list for the period from 28 Apr till NOW. I've
restricted it to a Top 17 beacause after that comes a whole list of
people with only one post.

pos # name
--- --- --------------------
1 62 Mattia Valente
2 24 Peter Kleiweg
3 23 P@rick
4 20 george van hal
5 19 Fuzzy
= 19 Jonathan Black
7 13 Willem Tel
8 11 wheez50 (f.k.a. Fam. Zwarts)
9 8 Andrea
10 7 J. Kok
11 5 Claudia van der Lely
= 5 Rob
13 4 Saskia
14 3 deadtemogin
= 3 Jon Greenwood
16 2 Zwaaneveld
= 2 Carine.Prevost

--
J o N a T H a N

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[Peter Kleiweg]

george van hal skriver...

> Ok, you have a point there as well. But *magick* isn't in any true sf movie.....
> It is in Greek epic poems. Thats fairly logical actually since mythology is an
> ancient form of fantasy. Or better put, fantasy is the mythology of the present
> day.....

That would be poor man's mythology. Truly modern mythology is
something like Micky Mouse.

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Drusilla: I think sometimes that all my hair will fall out and I'll be
bald.
Spike: Never happen.
-- School Hard

[Peter Kleiweg]

george van hal skriver...

> <notionalist mode on>
> Yes...holland is one of the greatest countries in the world
> <notionalist mode off>

Quite a notion you've got there.

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Now, now, don't let's lose our temper.
-- Spike, Becoming 2

[Mattia Valente]

> > > George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)
> >
> > Mattia
> > Who likes it too...Anyone for a Book thread? ;-)
>

> A book thread, a tv show thread, a music thread etc. etc. The possibilities are
> endless ;-)

Hehe...things to remeber if it ever gets a little too quiet around here
;-)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Jonathan Black wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 May 2000, george van hal wrote:
>

> > Indeed, and yet I guess you're the top poster in here now (as in
> > the person who posts the most). We really should do a top posters
> > list in here as well, like they do in nksf. It should be fun
> > watching how much everyone posts. So how *do* they do that in
> > nksf......??
>

> The monthly lists [1] are compiled by good old me. I just save all
> the month's messages to one big file (called nksf) after which the
> following UNIX comand
>
> $ frm nksf | cut -c-22 | sort | uniq -c | sort -r | cat -n
>
> pretty much outputs the list. I do some preliminary tweaking to
> combine slightly different names which are actually the same people
> and for now I'm still simply adding the "last month" positions by
> hand.
>
> I was actaully going to to one for April for this group just for the
> heck of it, but unfortunately it seems my server doesn't keep
> messages for this group for as long as it does for the nl.* groups
> so I didn't have the whole month any more. If you like I'll make a
> point of saving them every week or so so I have the whole month at
> the end of the month and then I could provide the same service here.
> Here's a test list for the period from 28 Apr till NOW. I've
> restricted it to a Top 17 beacause after that comes a whole list of
> people with only one post.
>
> pos # name
> --- --- --------------------
> 1 62 Mattia Valente

Uhh...62 in what, a little over a week? looks like I should go find
other stuff do as well....the only problem is the other option right now
is start cramming for those exams, and thats no fun ;-) Its that pesky
habit of replying to evey post in a thread, I guess :o)

> 2 24 Peter Kleiweg
> 3 23 P@rick
> 4 20 george van hal
> 5 19 Fuzzy
> = 19 Jonathan Black
> 7 13 Willem Tel
> 8 11 wheez50 (f.k.a. Fam. Zwarts)
> 9 8 Andrea
> 10 7 J. Kok
> 11 5 Claudia van der Lely
> = 5 Rob
> 13 4 Saskia
> 14 3 deadtemogin
> = 3 Jon Greenwood
> 16 2 Zwaaneveld
> = 2 Carine.Prevost

Mattia
Who just added another post to his little tally....;-)

[Fuzzy]

<SNIP>

>> >In fact, I'm working on a website (in collaboration with
>> >someone), sort of a semi-fanfic fictional newspaper/real news about
>> >buffy type site..Kind of novel concept, we think (haven't seen it
>> >before...) and I just finished writing the first Spike Column (I think
>> >its OK, don't really know though...lots of swearing it it :-) Site
>> >should really be running soon (need to write more stories, etc..)
>>
>> Nice idea! Let me know when you're online.
>>
>> Sierk
>

>Prelim site is up, I just saw, and the column is uploaded..Not too great
>yet, I'm gonna write some more 'articles' tomorrow. Feel free to tell me
>what you think...Other guys wrote the Willow Column (which is harder to
>do IMHO, so I'll stick to the Spike. Feedback welcome, but I already
>said that..)
>
>http://www.demonpost.co.uk
>
>Mattia
>Who's hoping other people think its as funny as he thought it was when
>he wrote it :-)

LOL. I really like it! To bad I can't write a story to save my life, or I'd
free-lance you something.

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <39120413...@std.vu.nl>...
>Fuzzy wrote:
><Snips>

>> >hehe...almost as bad as some people were with Titanic (but at least I
>> >can sort of relate to the Matrix re-vieweing) Had this guy on a TV
>> >interview who had been going to see Titanic every weekend since it was
>> >released (it had been out for around 3 months at the time...)
>>
>> I feel very proud being able to truthfully say that I never ever saw
>> Titanic! I hate hypes almost as bad as commercials.
>
>So, did you watch TMP? ;-)

<Miffed>
Well, only once!
</Miffed>

:)

>
>I watched it before it became all hyped up (about the same week it was
>released in theaters, before the ridiculous numbers started showing
>up..what I saw didn't impress me overly much, didn't feel the need to
>see the beginning or the ending of it..)
>
>> >Yep. Serious, sad, disturbing, but above all GOOD. Great acting by
>> >Edward Norton (who is unrecognizable..)
>>
>> Quite an actor, Edward Norton. Isn't Primal Fear on this weekend? I do
>> believe he spend some time in the gym after that pic. :)
>
>Before merican History X, you mean? and not long after, he was back to
>his old self..And is it on? Me go watch it then :-)

It's on somewhere next week, on SBS6, I believe

>
>>
>> <Snip>

<eg>

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

george van hal wrote in message <3911BDA6...@wxs.nl>...
>
>
>Fuzzy wrote:
>
>> george van hal wrote in message <39115648...@wxs.nl>...

>> >
>> >
>> >Fuzzy wrote:
>> >
>> >> >8) Space Balls:
>> >> >I *love* spoofs. And this one is the best ever, period.
>> >> >(quoting from memory here so excuse the mistakes):
>> >> >"Lonestar, I am your fathers cousins nephews former roomate"
>> >> >"So what does that make us?"
>> >> >"Absolutly nothing, which is what you are about to become!"
>> >>

>> >> "Sir, our radar is jammed"
>> >> "Hmmm, strawberry"
>> >
>> >Wasn't that raspberry? "There's only one man who dares give me the
>> raspberry!
>> >Lonestar!"

>>
>> You're doubtlessly right: it's been a few years since I saw it for the
>> second and last time (up until now that is; Gotta see it again :)
>
>The only problem with that being.....I can't seem to find it anywhere. I
really
>want to buy the movie, but it's out of stock almost everywhere, my local
video
>rental places have mispalced their copies and never replaced them (and
that's
>happened at not one, not two, but three (!) places). Anyone with any tips
on
>where to get my hands on a copy would be greatly rewarded (well ok, not
rewarded
>in the literal sense...or in any other sense....)><

You can try and have Blackstar hunt for it. That's 17 pounds, though (about
fl 60,- I guess) and no guerantees

>
>> >> Indeed. Together with Se7en the best thriller I've ever seen.
>> >> So, why's Se7en not in your top 10
>> >
>> >And you spotted the first one I didn't think of yesterday :-). Not sure
it
>> >deserves to be in my top ten though. It *was* a great film however.
Other
>> good
>> >thrillers that just poped to mind: Heat, The Devil's advocate and
Fallen.
>>
>> I fell asleep the first time I saw Heat, probably because I was
half-drunk
>> and it was about 2 in the morning when the movie _started_, but still, I

>> never did get to like it.
>

>Had that with a few movies as well. First (ond only) time I saw bravehart
was at
>a friends party where we started watching at about 3:30. Missed some parts
due
>to extreme "meligheid" (excuse my dutch...but whats the translation for
>"melig"??), but I actually still enjoyed it. Heat *is* however a long movie

>which I think you like or you don't like.....you didn't, I did :-)
>

>> Devils Advocate was good, but not as good as TUS
>> or 7, IMHO.
>
>Indeed. The end ruined it (the whole thing being reset like that), but I
never
>watch that part anymore. Like my own private directors cut ;-)
>

>WARNING....SPOILERS FOR FALLEN BELOW
>.
>.
>.
>.

>
>
>> I didn't like Fallen so much: during the whole movie I
>> remembered the voice-over from the beginning and I saw the ending coming
>> from miles ahead. Bit of a letdown, cause the idea was very nice
>

>I did *not* see the ending coming. I know the movie opens with "let me tell
you
>about the time I nearly died" , but the voice is that of Denzel Washington,
and
>the whole movie had me thinking the main character was the narrator. The
fact
>that the narrator turned out to be the fallen angel was a huge surprise to
me.
>Guess I perhaps should have seen it coming, but none of the people I
watched the
>movie with did ether......the movie is a lot better with the surprise of
the end
>though, so I'm kind of glad I didn't see it coming......

Can imagine.

>
>
>> >> >4) The Matrix:
>> >> >Great story, mind blowing experience. A movie I like to watch over
and
>> >> >over and over just because it's so damn beautifull.....
>> >>

>> >> Hear, Hear! My number 1. Watched it about 5 times in the cinema.
>> >
>> >I went two times. Couldn't get anyone to go any more than that. Finally
got
>> in
>> >on cd and later on video. Must've watched it at least 15-16 times
now....
>>
>> A whole group of us went to the cinema together for about five times.
We're
>> all a bit mad about it. My roommate has the DVD now, so I've seen it
about
>> 15 times too now I guess
>

>Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(

I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but it's
not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go for
that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it until
it can record too :)

>
>>
>
><about me loving contact and sierk disliking it>
>
>> >> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my
top
>> >> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't
>> very
>> >> impressed.
>> >
>> >Why?
>>
>> Probably because I read the book first. The movie can't really compete
with
>> that.
>
>That's very true. I'd never really read anything by Carl Sagan before
contact.
>The movie made me read the book (which I incidently never finished because
of
>library troubles. I just bought the novel though, so I'll probably be
reading it
>soonish).

I don't remember if I read anything else by his hand. Did he write Sphere as
well? Speaking of Sphere, was I the only one very disappointed with it?
Great cast, but...

>
>> >> Breaking the Waves
>> >> Perhaps not so well known, but this film has the best acting I ever
saw.
>> >> Truly magnificent
>> >
>> >Never even heard of it.......<tries to check imdb....page doesn't load
>> >correctly>. Ah well I'll try to find some info on it soonish....
>>
>> I wrote some stuff about it in my reply to Mattia. Also a serious, at
times
>> even somewhat oppressing movie.
>
>Yeah...it sounded fairly interesting. I think I'm gonna try to dig that one
>up......>

>
>> >> Pulp Fiction
>> >> Say no more
>> >
>> >Indeed. Only weird thing is, I've never seen it completly. It's one of
>> those
>> >movies I tend to watch in the middle of the night when someone's having
a
>> party,
>> >and I allways miss the whole thing. And somehow I've never rented
>> it.....not
>> >sure why. I know I'd love it....ah well.....
>>
>> It's a classic film of the 90's. A real must-see.
>
>I *know*. Sad thing is I recently (as in just now actually) discovered I
had it
>taped from television all this time......definatly gonna watch it now
sometime
>soon........
>

>> >> Blade Runner
>> >> Classic SF. Very well shot. Man, that city is depressing! And yes,
Hauer
>> >> really _can_ act. You wouldn't notice it watching Buffy the movie, but
he
>> >> can!
>> >
>> >I found Blade Runner disapointing. Someone recently said that was
probably
>> >because I didn't watch the directors cut. So I'm going to watch that
>> >soonish.....
>>
>> I didn't notice all that many differences between the two. I don't think
>> you'll really like the directors cut if you didn't like the other one.

>
>Hmm...still feel I should give it a second chance. Maybe I missed something
on
>first watching :-)

Wat I liked best about the movie was the atmosphere and the camerawork. Dark
and brooding.

>
>> > American Beauty
>> >> I'm a great fan of Kevin Spacey, but the whole film is a joy to watch.
>> I'm
>> >> glad it won all those oscars.
>> >
>> >Yes, very good movie. Saw it in the cinema twice so far. Lot of people
seem
>> to
>> >miss the humour in it as well (gieven the fact that my friends and I
were
>> the
>> >only ones laughing most of the time), but besides the funny it's also
very
>> good.
>>
>> You had that too? There was a couple next to me who _really_ didn''t get
the
>> movie. It became very annoying when they started to prattle inane
comments
>> about the film to each other. I had to kill them (verbally that is:).
>

>Irritating isn't that. Ah well we all have our pet peeves, especially at
the
>movies. The most anoying thing is sitting beside people who don't get or
don't
>like a movie you're enjoying. Ah well it happens :-)
>
>See Ya,

>George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)

Yep, me too. I've never posted this much :)

Sierk

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
> >Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(
>
> I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but it's
> not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go for
> that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it until
> it can record too :)

But SVHS is expensive, I find...DVD better, random access, cheap
soltuions avaliable (PC DVD..) extras, can record them onto VHS tapes
(with appropriate hardware, that is ;-) and don't degrade over time/with
numerous watchings..DVD recordables would be nice tho ;-)

> ><about me loving contact and sierk disliking it>
> >
> >> >> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my
> top
> >> >> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't
> >> very
> >> >> impressed.
> >> >
> >> >Why?
> >>
> >> Probably because I read the book first. The movie can't really compete
> with
> >> that.
> >
> >That's very true. I'd never really read anything by Carl Sagan before
> contact.
> >The movie made me read the book (which I incidently never finished because
> of
> >library troubles. I just bought the novel though, so I'll probably be
> reading it
> >soonish).
>
> I don't remember if I read anything else by his hand. Did he write Sphere as
> well? Speaking of Sphere, was I the only one very disappointed with it?
> Great cast, but...

No, Sphere is a Michael Crichton book (Jurassic Park, eaters of the
Dead, etc..) Book was alos similarly dissapointing. Had great potential,
really didn't live up to it.

Sounds, uh, fun? (Well, maybe not fun, but Good, yes :-)

<Snip>

> >See Ya,
> >George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)
>
> Yep, me too. I've never posted this much :)

Posting is fun :-)

Mattia
Yes, yes, I know, I post too much.....:-p

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <3911ABBE...@std.vu.nl>...
>Fuzzy wrote:
>>
>> Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115500...@std.vu.nl>...
>> >Fuzzy wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> >> >3) Romeo and Juliet:
>> >> >Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this
new
>> >> >setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for
quite
>> >> >some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl
idol
>> >> >image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked
in
>> >> >"My so called Life")
>> >>
>> >> Very good! Perfect blend of Shakespearean lyrics and modern day
>> camera-work.
>> >
>> >I say gimme a 4 hour verson of Hamlet by preference ;-)
>>
>> Was that the one with Mel Gibson? It had some very good reviews, but I
never
>> saw it.
>
>NO!!! NOT the Mel Gibson one (which I haven't seen, but others have, and
>have ssen the one I'm talking about, and agree that the Gibson Version
>isn't that good, not true to the text and story..)

I heard it was one of Gibsons bets roles.

>
>I'm talking about the Fully Text, 4 hour long movie directed by Kenneth
>Branagh (who also plays the lead role) and with a cast filled with stars
>like Jack Lemmon, Robin Williams, Kate Winslet (ophelia) Derek Jacobi
>(Known british shaekpearean actor, plays Claudius) Julie Christie, etc.)
>If you like shakespeare, give it a watch, otherwise, give it a miss..

I'll keep an eye out. I have a love/hate thing with Robin Williams going on.
Half his movies are utter crap (Jack, Nine Months, Flubber), the other half
is brilliant (Alladin, Awakenings, Dead Poets Society, Good Will Hunting).
Wonder how he turns out here

<SNIP>

Sierk

[Fuzzy]

Peter Kleiweg wrote in message ...

>Fuzzy skriver...
>
>> 20 LINES OF SPOILERS FOR "FROM DUSK TILL DAWN".
>
>Where did you learn to count? Did all that astronomy study made
>you scared of spaces?

Yeah, man. I flunked out, and ever since I can't abide open space :-))

>
>> 5
>> 4
>> 3
>> 2
>> 1
>>
>> Indeed! One of the funniest thriller/horror pics I ever saw and a great
>> cast! Ever since I saw Natural Born Killers, Juliette Lewis can do little
>> wrong as far as I'm concerned. Wonderfull to see George Clooney in a pic
>> like that. And Keitel was priceless with the sawed-off shotgun turned
cross.
>> I believe a sequel has been made, but I never saw it. Anyone else did?
>
>From Dusk Till Dawn was the first film with Juliette Lewis I
>saw. She won me over immediately. I saw her in two more movies,
>Natural Born Killers, and That Night (?), a romantic teen drama
>set in suburban fifties (with a very young Eliza Dushku).

Haven't seen that one.

>Her
>name on the list of actors is enough reason for me to see a
>film. Others are Theresa Russell and Meg Tilly.

You got some movies to go with that?

Sierk

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote in message <3911ABBE...@std.vu.nl>...
> >Fuzzy wrote:
> >>
> >> Mattia Valente wrote in message <39115500...@std.vu.nl>...
> >> >Fuzzy wrote:
> >>
> >> <SNIP>
> >>
> >> >> >3) Romeo and Juliet:
> >> >> >Even though everyone knows the story by heart, it just works in this
> new
> >> >> >setting. A movie that kept me thinking about it after I saw it for
> quite
> >> >> >some time. Great acting by Leo (who despite of his pretty boy, girl
> idol
> >> >> >image is a very good actor) and Claire (who I allready really liked
> in
> >> >> >"My so called Life")
> >> >>
> >> >> Very good! Perfect blend of Shakespearean lyrics and modern day
> >> camera-work.
> >> >
> >> >I say gimme a 4 hour verson of Hamlet by preference ;-)
> >>

> >> Was that the one with Mel Gibson? It had some very good reviews, but I
> never
> >> saw it.
> >

> >NO!!! NOT the Mel Gibson one (which I haven't seen, but others have, and
> >have ssen the one I'm talking about, and agree that the Gibson Version
> >isn't that good, not true to the text and story..)
>
> I heard it was one of Gibsons bets roles.
>
> >
> >I'm talking about the Fully Text, 4 hour long movie directed by Kenneth
> >Branagh (who also plays the lead role) and with a cast filled with stars
> >like Jack Lemmon, Robin Williams, Kate Winslet (ophelia) Derek Jacobi
> >(Known british shaekpearean actor, plays Claudius) Julie Christie, etc.)
> >If you like shakespeare, give it a watch, otherwise, give it a miss..
>
> I'll keep an eye out. I have a love/hate thing with Robin Williams going on.
> Half his movies are utter crap (Jack, Nine Months, Flubber), the other half
> is brilliant (Alladin, Awakenings, Dead Poets Society, Good Will Hunting).
> Wonder how he turns out here

Don't bother watching it for Robin, has only a very small part
here...Branagh, Williams, Jacobi and Christie have the leads (and a few
others whose names I cannot recall..)

Mattia

[P@rick]

Jonathan Black wrote:

[top posters list]

> If you like I'll make a
> point of saving them every week or so so I have the whole month at
> the end of the month and then I could provide the same service here.

Yes please! Cos that would be *so* funny! (read last remark with Michelle
(AH) from American Pie in mind).

Bye, Patrick
(here goes # 24?)

[P@rick]

wheez50 wrote:

> Mattia Valente wrote:

> > wheez50 wrote:

> > > {duck}{duck}{duck}
> >
> > You're gonna have to duck faster and find a better place to hide...I'm
> > gonna go borrow P@tricks really expensive shiny new rocket launcher
> > now...:-p
> >
> > Mattia
>
> He'll ne'er give you that. I got him Angel on video (*twice*) when he
missed
> it and threw in a *free* ep. of Charmed. Got some credits (i hope).

Yeah, he's my bud!

Anyway, my shiny new rocket launcer is no longer shiny and new. The other
night, there was this mosquito keeping me awake and pissing me off. And I
tend to reach for desperate measures when I don't get enough sleep, so....
Anyone got a painting, say 2,5 by 5 metres, to cover a whole in the wall?

Saw an ad in Weapons Weekly for a Flamethrower (Extra Crispy, guaranteed to
lighten things up!). It was a real bargain, extra napalm for free.

Bye, Patrick

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> > A book thread, a tv show thread, a music thread etc. etc. The possibilities are
> > endless ;-)
>
> Hehe...things to remeber if it ever gets a little too quiet around here

What about: things to do on a friday when all the shops are
closed. (And try to be on-topic.)

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Soup's on, but no one's grabbing a spoon.
-- Buffy, Band Candy

[Peter Kleiweg]

Fuzzy skriver...

> I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but it's
> not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go for
> that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it until
> it can record too :)

That would be my prime reason to buy one. All those videotapes
take up to much space in my little, humble apartment. And if I
could re-record one the same disc, the VCR would be a thing of
the past.

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Xander: Our dreams are coming true?
Giles: Dreams? That would be a musical comedy version of this.
Nightmares, our nightmares are coming true.
-- Nightmares

[Peter Kleiweg]

Fuzzy skriver...

> Peter Kleiweg wrote in message ...

[Juliette Lewis]

> > Her name on the list of actors is enough reason for me to see
> > a film. Others are Theresa Russell and Meg Tilly.
>
> You got some movies to go with that?

Meg Tilly is at her best in Sleep With Me, a low budget movie.
Other favourites are:

Psycho II
Agnes of God
Valmont
Leaving Normal
Body Snatchers

Oddly enough, the only film with Teresa Russell I can remember is
The Flight of the Dove, and I missed the first 30 minutes of
that movie.

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Okay, so tonight, channel fifty-nine, Indian TV, sex, lies,
incomprehensible story lines. I'll bring the betel nuts.
-- Xander, Reptile Boy

[Mattia Valente]

P@rick wrote:
>
> wheez50 wrote:
>
> > Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > > wheez50 wrote:
>
> > > > {duck}{duck}{duck}
> > >
> > > You're gonna have to duck faster and find a better place to hide...I'm
> > > gonna go borrow P@tricks really expensive shiny new rocket launcher
> > > now...:-p
> > >
> > > Mattia
> >
> > He'll ne'er give you that. I got him Angel on video (*twice*) when he
> missed
> > it and threw in a *free* ep. of Charmed. Got some credits (i hope).
>
> Yeah, he's my bud!

Dang...oh well, my wrath hath subsideth now....;-)

> Anyway, my shiny new rocket launcer is no longer shiny and new. The other
> night, there was this mosquito keeping me awake and pissing me off. And I

Hate the damn buzzing little things...especially when they start
taunting you and daring you to kill them [...could just be those funny
looking stamp thingys I've been licking....]

> tend to reach for desperate measures when I don't get enough sleep, so....
> Anyone got a painting, say 2,5 by 5 metres, to cover a whole in the wall?

Naah, be artistic. Put a frame around it and call it conceptual art!

> Saw an ad in Weapons Weekly for a Flamethrower (Extra Crispy, guaranteed to
> lighten things up!). It was a real bargain, extra napalm for free.

Kewl...think I'll go buy one now..

Mattia
;-)

[Mattia Valente]

Peter Kleiweg wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente skriver...
>
> > > A book thread, a tv show thread, a music thread etc. etc. The possibilities are
> > > endless ;-)
> >
> > Hehe...things to remeber if it ever gets a little too quiet around here
>
> What about: things to do on a friday when all the shops are
> closed. (And try to be on-topic.)

Watch a bunch of taped Buffy eps (starting as far back as possible, see
how many you can view without bathroom breaks to make it interesting..)

To make it worst, do this whilst playing a Buffy drinking Game, such as
the ones found at

http://www.niu.edu/newsplace/nnbuffy.html

Its not too great, seen better ones.... Hey! Idea! Lets make our own
Drinking game! Submissions very welcome, I'll compile ;-)

Then, of course, do the same for Angel...;-)

Mattia
You don't have to take me seriously, you know [crowd says 'DUH']

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> Watch a bunch of taped Buffy eps (starting as far back as possible, see
> how many you can view without bathroom breaks to make it interesting..)
>
> To make it worst, do this whilst playing a Buffy drinking Game,

What about this for a game: Come up with `famous' quotes from
Buffy / Angel episodes that still need to be written. Here's
one:

Joyce: Nice place you've got here, Buffy. Aren't you going to
invite me in?

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

You mean, like jackets and kilts? You want me to get field
hockey knees?
-- Buffy, Dead Man's Party

[Jonathan Black]

On Fri, 5 May 2000, Peter Kleiweg wrote:

> What about this for a game: Come up with `famous' quotes from
> Buffy / Angel episodes that still need to be written. Here's
> one:
>
> Joyce: Nice place you've got here, Buffy. Aren't you going to
> invite me in?

:-O

--
J o N a T H a N

"Hi, Joyce, nice to see you. Is Buffy home?"
--Angel `Enemies'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[P@rick]

george van hal wrote:

[what are your favorite movies?]

Ok, I'll have a go at this. Actually, I want to mention one movie in
particular. In the spirit of these days of commemoration, it's Schindler's
List. If I would recommend a movie to anyone, this would be it. It is a must
see, not only because it's a great film, but also because it makes you live
through the emotions of the people who suffered. It grabs you by your
throat, and only releases you long after the ending titles have scrolled. It
really makes you think about the war, about what happened to people (and
this time not those in the battlefield).

Bye, Patrick

[Mattia Valente]

Fitting recommendation I guess, but I haven't seen it. Keep saying I
will, never actually get the chance to. Maybe I'll head down to that
video store (y'know, the one with all them unsanitary grungey videos..if
I'm not confusing people, Jonathan knows what I mean ;-)

Heard its good, heard again now, must go watch it (along with a whole
lot of other movies, for that matter ;-) Actually kinda surprised nobody
mentioned it (or any other Spielberg stuff...ET, anyone? :-)

Mattia

[Peter Kleiweg]

Mattia Valente skriver...

> Heard its good, heard again now, must go watch it (along with a whole
> lot of other movies, for that matter ;-) Actually kinda surprised nobody
> mentioned it (or any other Spielberg stuff...ET, anyone? :-)

No Dawson Leary (sp?) here.

--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Doyle: Let me tell you a little bedtime story.
Angel: But I'm not sleepy.
-- City of...

[Fuzzy]

Mattia Valente wrote in message <39130495...@std.vu.nl>...
>P@rick wrote:

A lot of posts doesn't make it to my computer, it seems. The only person
who's posts aren't affected seems to be Mattia and since he pretty much
answers to all posts in this ng, I get to read most of the stuff you all
post anyway (keep up the good work!). It looks kinda odd though: to me,
Mattia constantly seems to be talking to himself. You don't just put those
names in your posts so it looks like you have a social live, do you? :)

Does anyone else have problems with their newsservers?

>>
>> george van hal wrote:
>>
>> [what are your favorite movies?]
>>
>> Ok, I'll have a go at this. Actually, I want to mention one movie in
>> particular. In the spirit of these days of commemoration, it's
Schindler's
>> List. If I would recommend a movie to anyone, this would be it. It is a
must
>> see, not only because it's a great film, but also because it makes you
live
>> through the emotions of the people who suffered. It grabs you by your
>> throat, and only releases you long after the ending titles have scrolled.
It
>> really makes you think about the war, about what happened to people (and
>> this time not those in the battlefield).
>
>Fitting recommendation I guess, but I haven't seen it. Keep saying I
>will, never actually get the chance to. Maybe I'll head down to that
>video store (y'know, the one with all them unsanitary grungey videos..if
>I'm not confusing people, Jonathan knows what I mean ;-)

I'd really go watch it if I were you. It's the best film about WWII I've
seen. I was debating whether to put it in my top 11 or not, but I was a bit
heavy on the "serious" movies as it was and I wanted to have a bit of
balance.
I'm glad I watched this movie on my own, with no one around to spoil the
atmosphere. I can recommand the same to you.

Sierk

>
>Heard its good, heard again now, must go watch it (along with a whole
>lot of other movies, for that matter ;-) Actually kinda surprised nobody
>mentioned it (or any other Spielberg stuff...ET, anyone? :-)
>

>Mattia

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> > > > George (who's liking this whole movie discussion thread a lot....)
> > >

> > > Mattia
> > > Who likes it too...Anyone for a Book thread? ;-)
> >

> > A book thread, a tv show thread, a music thread etc. etc. The possibilities are
> > endless ;-)
>
> Hehe...things to remeber if it ever gets a little too quiet around here

> ;-)

Indeed. As for now, I think this might be the longest thread ever, so I guess it's
fairly safe to assume nobody here minds posting ot a lot :-)

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> >
> > Mattia Valente skriver...
> >

> > > > A book thread, a tv show thread, a music thread etc. etc. The possibilities are
> > > > endless ;-)
> > >
> > > Hehe...things to remeber if it ever gets a little too quiet around here
> >

> > What about: things to do on a friday when all the shops are
> > closed. (And try to be on-topic.)
>

> Watch a bunch of taped Buffy eps (starting as far back as possible, see
> how many you can view without bathroom breaks to make it interesting..)
>

> To make it worst, do this whilst playing a Buffy drinking Game, such as
> the ones found at
>
> http://www.niu.edu/newsplace/nnbuffy.html
>
> Its not too great, seen better ones.... Hey! Idea! Lets make our own
> Drinking game! Submissions very welcome, I'll compile ;-)
>
> Then, of course, do the same for Angel...;-)
>
> Mattia
> You don't have to take me seriously, you know [crowd says 'DUH']

Well, being serious, this sounds like a fun idea. Mind starting a new thread for this
one??
That is, if I'm not the only one thinking this could be fun......

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

Mattia Valente wrote:

> Fuzzy wrote:
> > >Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(
> >
> > I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but it's
> > not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go for
> > that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it until
> > it can record too :)
>

> But SVHS is expensive, I find...DVD better, random access, cheap
> soltuions avaliable (PC DVD..) extras, can record them onto VHS tapes
> (with appropriate hardware, that is ;-) and don't degrade over time/with
> numerous watchings..DVD recordables would be nice tho ;-)

Ok.....SVHS? I must be missing something....what's that? <looks as everyone starts
pointing at him chanting "he doesn't know what SVHS is, he must be dealt with
now">. But, yeah the best thing about DVD's would be the constant quality. I've
watched degraded tapes way too many times allready....

> > ><about me loving contact and sierk disliking it>
> > >
> > >> >> But seriously, I never would have considered this film as being in my
> > top
> > >> >> 10. I read the book ('t was good) and I enjoyed the film, but I wasn't
> > >> very
> > >> >> impressed.
> > >> >
> > >> >Why?
> > >>
> > >> Probably because I read the book first. The movie can't really compete
> > with
> > >> that.
> > >
> > >That's very true. I'd never really read anything by Carl Sagan before
> > contact.
> > >The movie made me read the book (which I incidently never finished because
> > of
> > >library troubles. I just bought the novel though, so I'll probably be
> > reading it
> > >soonish).
> >
> > I don't remember if I read anything else by his hand. Did he write Sphere as
> > well? Speaking of Sphere, was I the only one very disappointed with it?
> > Great cast, but...
>

> No, Sphere is a Michael Crichton book (Jurassic Park, eaters of the
> Dead, etc..) Book was alos similarly dissapointing. Had great potential,
> really didn't live up to it.

As for Carl Sagan: Contact was his only novel. He did however write some other
interesting (populair) scientifics books on cosmology and about the relation
between religion and science....

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

Peter Kleiweg wrote:

> george van hal skriver...
>
> > <notionalist mode on>
> > Yes...holland is one of the greatest countries in the world
> > <notionalist mode off>
>
> Quite a notion you've got there.

*lol*. Ok meant to type nationalist mode there. Notionalist, that would
be a person who's proud of one particular notion....or something like
that ;-)

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

> pos # name
> --- --- --------------------
> 1 62 Mattia Valente

> 2 24 Peter Kleiweg
> 3 23 P@rick
> 4 20 george van hal

Ouh, I'm number four....nice.....not posting overly much (nothing
personal mattia :-p. Actually keep it up, it's fun.....), not posting
too little.....

Seriously this is a lot of fun...so <begging mode on> please jonathan,
I'd apreciate it very much if you'd do us this favor as well......
<begging mode off>

See Ya,
George

[george van hal]

Peter Kleiweg wrote:

> george van hal skriver...
>
> > Ok, you have a point there as well. But *magick* isn't in any true sf movie.....
> > It is in Greek epic poems. Thats fairly logical actually since mythology is an
> > ancient form of fantasy. Or better put, fantasy is the mythology of the present
> > day.....
>
> That would be poor man's mythology. Truly modern mythology is
> something like Micky Mouse.

You think so? Don't you think things like star wars (as far as movies go) and Lord of
the Rings are actually a bit more than a poor man's mythology. Instead you give us
mickey mouse??

See Ya,
George

[Jonathan Black]

On Fri, 5 May 2000, george van hal wrote:

> Seriously this is a lot of fun...so <begging mode on> please
> jonathan, I'd apreciate it very much if you'd do us this favor as
> well...... <begging mode off>

No problem. Expect a top-something for May on June 1st, I guess.

:-)

--
J o N a T H a N

"Look, we found stairs! Buffy
didn't find stairs, no sir!"
--Willow `Fear, Itself'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[Fuzzy]

george van hal wrote in message <39131D94...@wxs.nl>...

>
>
>Mattia Valente wrote:
>
>> Fuzzy wrote:

>> > >Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(
>> >
>> > I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but
it's
>> > not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go
for
>> > that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it
until
>> > it can record too :)
>>

>> But SVHS is expensive, I find...DVD better, random access, cheap
>> soltuions avaliable (PC DVD..) extras, can record them onto VHS tapes
>> (with appropriate hardware, that is ;-) and don't degrade over time/with
>> numerous watchings..DVD recordables would be nice tho ;-)

I hope it will be puchaseble in about three years. Technically it's probably
already possible, but I think they'll delay bringing it on the market untill
more people have bought DVD.

>
>Ok.....SVHS? I must be missing something....what's that? <looks as everyone
starts
>pointing at him chanting "he doesn't know what SVHS is, he must be dealt
with
>now">. But, yeah the best thing about DVD's would be the constant quality.
I've
>watched degraded tapes way too many times allready....

Super VHS. It's supposed to be twice as sharp as normal VHS. Of course, they
say the same thing about DVD, so they must be equally good, right? :)

>> No, Sphere is a Michael Crichton book (Jurassic Park, eaters of the
>> Dead, etc..) Book was alos similarly dissapointing. Had great potential,
>> really didn't live up to it.

You mean the movie here? I rather liked the book..

>
>As for Carl Sagan: Contact was his only novel. He did however write some
other
>interesting (populair) scientifics books on cosmology and about the
relation
>between religion and science....

Did he write "Waren de Goden kosmonauten"? (Don't know the English title).

Sierk

[wheez50]

P@rick <P.J.Mee...@students.fss.VampWillow.uu.nl> schreef in
berichtnieuws 8euk3f$5vk$4...@news.surfnet.nl...

> wheez50 wrote:
>
> > Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > > wheez50 wrote:
>
> > > > {duck}{duck}{duck}
> > >
> > > You're gonna have to duck faster and find a better place to hide...I'm
> > > gonna go borrow P@tricks really expensive shiny new rocket launcher
> > > now...:-p
> > >
> > > Mattia
> >
> > He'll ne'er give you that. I got him Angel on video (*twice*) when he
> missed
> > it and threw in a *free* ep. of Charmed. Got some credits (i hope).
>
> Yeah, he's my bud!
>

> Anyway, my shiny new rocket launcer is no longer shiny and new. The other
> night, there was this mosquito keeping me awake and pissing me off. And I

> tend to reach for desperate measures when I don't get enough sleep, so....
> Anyone got a painting, say 2,5 by 5 metres, to cover a whole in the wall?

Got some nice leftover wallpaper. It's with picachu! Oh, Nows mattia prob.
going to tell me he *loves* to torture small little pokemon rodents....

>
> Saw an ad in Weapons Weekly for a Flamethrower (Extra Crispy, guaranteed
to
> lighten things up!). It was a real bargain, extra napalm for free.
>

> Bye, Patrick
>

I'll keep it with last weeks ad. Armalite, one shot one kill. Like the idea
of that. A ton o' tnt would do nice too (getting myself killed ;-)

Wheez50

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote in message <39130495...@std.vu.nl>...
> >P@rick wrote:
>
> A lot of posts doesn't make it to my computer, it seems. The only person
> who's posts aren't affected seems to be Mattia and since he pretty much
> answers to all posts in this ng, I get to read most of the stuff you all
> post anyway (keep up the good work!). It looks kinda odd though: to me,
> Mattia constantly seems to be talking to himself. You don't just put those
> names in your posts so it looks like you have a social live, do you? :)

HEY!! I object to that!!! I do talk to myself once in a wh.....shut
up.....ile but not too often... ;-)

No, I don't have probs with the neswserver; I get all the messages (and
yes, answer a disproportionate amount of them...will have to cut back
soon though, and focus a little more on studying...just a little, mind
you ;-)

> Does anyone else have problems with their newsservers?

No. Its just you. :-p

> >> george van hal wrote:
> >>
> >> [what are your favorite movies?]
> >>
> >> Ok, I'll have a go at this. Actually, I want to mention one movie in
> >> particular. In the spirit of these days of commemoration, it's
> Schindler's
> >> List. If I would recommend a movie to anyone, this would be it. It is a
> must
> >> see, not only because it's a great film, but also because it makes you
> live
> >> through the emotions of the people who suffered. It grabs you by your
> >> throat, and only releases you long after the ending titles have scrolled.
> It
> >> really makes you think about the war, about what happened to people (and
> >> this time not those in the battlefield).
> >
> >Fitting recommendation I guess, but I haven't seen it. Keep saying I
> >will, never actually get the chance to. Maybe I'll head down to that
> >video store (y'know, the one with all them unsanitary grungey videos..if
> >I'm not confusing people, Jonathan knows what I mean ;-)
>
> I'd really go watch it if I were you. It's the best film about WWII I've
> seen. I was debating whether to put it in my top 11 or not, but I was a bit
> heavy on the "serious" movies as it was and I wanted to have a bit of
> balance.
> I'm glad I watched this movie on my own, with no one around to spoil the
> atmosphere. I can recommand the same to you.

OK, will have to hit Vid renatl place soon, it seems...

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
>
> > pos # name
> > --- --- --------------------
> > 1 62 Mattia Valente
> > 2 24 Peter Kleiweg
> > 3 23 P@rick
> > 4 20 george van hal
>
> Ouh, I'm number four....nice.....not posting overly much (nothing
> personal mattia :-p. Actually keep it up, it's fun.....), not posting
> too little.....

I know...this is a bit of a wake-up call...disproportionate amount of
posts lately..Its all that catching up on epsidoes (tape them, no
commenting for a while, then responding to practically weverything
that's been said already..) Its eating up too much time though...

> Seriously this is a lot of fun...so <begging mode on> please jonathan,
> I'd apreciate it very much if you'd do us this favor as well......
> <begging mode off>

Yeah, lets see how represenatavie these past few days are ;-)

Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

george van hal wrote:
>
> Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > Fuzzy wrote:
> > > >Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(
> > >
> > > I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but it's
> > > not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go for
> > > that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it until
> > > it can record too :)
> >
> > But SVHS is expensive, I find...DVD better, random access, cheap
> > soltuions avaliable (PC DVD..) extras, can record them onto VHS tapes
> > (with appropriate hardware, that is ;-) and don't degrade over time/with
> > numerous watchings..DVD recordables would be nice tho ;-)
>

> Ok.....SVHS? I must be missing something....what's that? <looks as everyone starts
> pointing at him chanting "he doesn't know what SVHS is, he must be dealt with
> now">. But, yeah the best thing about DVD's would be the constant quality. I've
> watched degraded tapes way too many times allready....

SVHS is Super VHS. Better picture, sounds, etc., as I understand it.
DOn't really know much more about it though, sorry..Basically, the top
of the line expensive VCRs are usually SVHS.

Mattia

[Zwaaneveld]

Peter Kleiweg <kle...@let.rug.invalid> schreef in berichtnieuws
Pine.LNX.4.21.00050...@kleigh.nl...
> Mattia Valente skriver...
>
> > Fuzzy wrote:
> > >
> > > Mattia Valente wrote:
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > > Actually, there is one great little reference to "The
> > > > Usual Suspects" in the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor
> > > > Dolittle"; when he's walking into the dog pound, hearing
> > > > all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think) Kevin
> > > > Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big
> > > > time..
> > >
> > > Doesn't Xander says somewhere in The Puppetshow: "Does
> > > anyone else feel like he's been Kayser Sozed?"
> >
> > Possible...Its been mentioned somewhere in buffy, but I'll be
> > damned if I can remeber where exactly..wish I had transcripts
> > here..
>
> Xander: So, the dummy tells us that he's a demon hunter. And we're,
> like, fine, la la la la. He takes off, and now there's a brain. Does
> anybody else feel like they've been Keyser Soze'd?
>
> http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/
>

which ep is that?

> --
> Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
> e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
> Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> She just left. She didn't even care enough to cut off my head or set me
> on fire. I mean, is that too much to ask? You know? Some little sign
> that she cared?
> -- Spike, Lovers Walk
>

[Zwaaneveld]

Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
39115695...@std.vu.nl...
> Zwaaneveld wrote:
> Spoiler Space for those who haven't seen the Usual Suspects (what are
> you waiting for? Go rent the video!! :-)

> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> >

> > <snip>
> > >
> > > 5) The usual suspects:
> > > Great film in itself, featuring one of my all time favorite actors
> > > (kevin spacey) and the best twist ending ever (I did not see that
coming
> > > untill a minute up front). Greatness...
> > <snip>
> >
> > This one is in my top 3 (at least)
> > Remember that part when the guy started walking normal again...
> > one of my fav movie moments EVER!
>
> Definately. And thenthe whole ending with the quote and the cut to black
> screen:
>
> "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he
> didn't exist. And like that, he was gone."

don't forget the hand gesture!

>
> Actually, there is one great little reference to "The Usual Suspects" in
> the Eddie Murphy vehicle "Doctor Dolittle"; when he's walking into the
> dog pound, hearing all of the dogs talking one of them wth (I think)
> Kevin Spacey's voice says "I am Keyser Soze" Cracked me up big time..
>

> Mattia

[Mattia Valente]

Fuzzy wrote:
>
> george van hal wrote in message <39131D94...@wxs.nl>...
> >
> >

> >Mattia Valente wrote:
> >
> >> Fuzzy wrote:
> >> > >Lucky bastard :-). Man I really want a DVD player ;-(
> >> >
> >> > I think DVD is rather overrrated. Sure, you get a better quality, but
> it's
> >> > not that much better than SVHS. The extra's are kinda nice if you go
> for
> >> > that, but usually I only want to watch the movie. I'll delay buying it
> until
> >> > it can record too :)
> >>
> >> But SVHS is expensive, I find...DVD better, random access, cheap
> >> soltuions avaliable (PC DVD..) extras, can record them onto VHS tapes
> >> (with appropriate hardware, that is ;-) and don't degrade over time/with
> >> numerous watchings..DVD recordables would be nice tho ;-)
>

> I hope it will be puchaseble in about three years. Technically it's probably
> already possible, but I think they'll delay bringing it on the market untill
> more people have bought DVD.

I think I saw somthing about a first release of a DVD recorder (for
video, not data, thats been here for a while, at ridiculous prices.)
COuld be wishful thinking though.

Mattia

[Jonathan Black]

On Sat, 6 May 2000, Zwaaneveld wrote:

> Peter Kleiweg <kle...@let.rug.invalid> schreef in berichtnieuws
>

> > Mattia Valente skriver...
> >
> > > Fuzzy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't Xander says somewhere in The Puppetshow: "Does
> > > > anyone else feel like he's been Kayser Sozed?"
> > >
> > > Possible...Its been mentioned somewhere in buffy, but I'll be
> > > damned if I can remeber where exactly..wish I had transcripts
> > > here..
> >
> > Xander: So, the dummy tells us that he's a demon hunter. And
> > we're, like, fine, la la la la. He takes off, and now there's a
> > brain. Does anybody else feel like they've been Keyser Soze'd?
> >
> > http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/
>
> which ep is that?

As the Fuzz said, `The Puppet Show'.

--
J o N a T H a N

"What are you getting so strung out for, B?"
"Why are your lips still moving, F?"

--Faith / Buffy `Faith, Hope & Trick'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer