Wild at Heart (spoilers)
Peter Kleiweg
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A very good episode. Solid script, great acting. However, I'm
not overly thrilled with it. But that has more to do with how I
look at the show.
Do they *have* to humiliate Spike this way? I'm still waiting
for him to stake his ground on the show. He deserves it. And so
do we.
Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
And then, we had Willow in tears. Great acting, I guess. But
this makes it definite: she doesn't do it for me. I will never
be a Willowshipper. Her tears meant nothing to me. (Or perhaps I
was just too pissed off over the death of Veruca.)
--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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Veruca: You have a cage?
Oz: Don't you?
Veruca: Uh, yeah. Has a little wheel with a plastic ball and a
cute little bell in it. God! Somebody's domesticated the
hell out of you.
-- Wild at Heart
henkk...@my-deja.com
> Do they *have* to humiliate Spike this way? I'm still waiting
> for him to stake his ground on the show. He deserves it. And so
> do we.
If you go to the official Buffy site and look a little bit into "our"
future you'll find out that Spike will return. And that's all I'm gonna
say.
> Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
> mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
> girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
> major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers.
I more or less agree, she really was GREAT. The part where she's the
lead singer of the band is excellent, a bit Sirly Mansonish. And she's
very selfconsciously (almost) naked when she and Oz are looking for
clothes and she's explaining herpoint of view in her underwear.
Dangerous AND sexy. Irresistable!
> And then, we had Willow in tears. Great acting, I guess. But
> this makes it definite: she doesn't do it for me. I will never
> be a Willowshipper. Her tears meant nothing to me. (Or perhaps I
> was just too pissed off over the death of Veruca.)
Dunno, Willow has become my favourite character. She is so much more
mature this season, much more so than Buffy. Sexier, more self-assurred.
And why can't she always wear those clothes in which she tried to seduce
Oz? Hey, but that's my male-ness talking. I consider her a better
actress too than S.M.G.
RH
"A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste"
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Mattia Valente
> A very good episode. Solid script, great acting. However, I'm
> not overly thrilled with it. But that has more to do with how I
> look at the show.
Hmm..I think it was great, best this season until now.
> Do they *have* to humiliate Spike this way? I'm still waiting
> for him to stake his ground on the show. He deserves it. And so
> do we.
Yes, that did bug me (see first lines of my post..) I was hoping for a
good spike ep, the he got zapped. A little worried about all this..
> Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
> mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
> girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
Uhh..more sez appeal, dunno. Lots of it, in a very different way though.
> major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
> we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
> Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
Agree...I REALLY didn't see that coming, and didn't like it much. nI was
hoping to stretch this out, develop the character a little more (well, a
lot more. OTOH, the torture for Willow could have made that bit really,
really annoying..which it could still get...though I probably won't mind
too muhc ;-)
> And then, we had Willow in tears. Great acting, I guess. But
> this makes it definite: she doesn't do it for me. I will never
> be a Willowshipper. Her tears meant nothing to me. (Or perhaps I
> was just too pissed off over the death of Veruca.)
BLASPHEMY!!!! :-P Naah, just kidding.....tastes really do differ I
guess...For me this came pretty close ot the Passion/Becoming 2 moments
as far as tear jerk potential...
Mattia
Fuzzy
Peter Kleiweg wrote in message ...
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>Spoilers for Wild at Heart and Angel, S1 Heroes
>for him to stake his ground on the show. He deserves it. And so
>do we.
Agreeing here. They really gotta stop picking on Spike.
>
>Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
>mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
>girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
>major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
>we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
>Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
Well, I don't agree about her having more sex-appeal than the other
girly-girls put together and neither will anyone else in this ng, I think.
But yeah, she was a looker and more importantly a good character in the show
and I disappointed too when she was killed. But wat's worse, it's another
meaningless death of a good character (just like Jenny and Doyle). It could
have been great to see how Oz copes with having taken a life, but instead
he's gone! My favourite character! GONE!
Ah well, I was spoiled for that, so it wasn't that big a surprise. And I'm
also spoiled for some of what will happen after Oz is gone, so maybe it's
not all bad...maybe :(
>
>And then, we had Willow in tears. Great acting, I guess. But
>this makes it definite: she doesn't do it for me. I will never
>be a Willowshipper. Her tears meant nothing to me. (Or perhaps I
>was just too pissed off over the death of Veruca.)
Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
Sierk
george van hal
Fuzzy wrote:
Agree, although it does add to the funny...which I sort of like. If I was peter,
I wouldn't get my hopes up too high about him regaining his season 2 status.....
> >Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
> >mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
> >girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
> >major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
> >we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
> >Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
>
> Well, I don't agree about her having more sex-appeal than the other
> girly-girls put together and neither will anyone else in this ng, I think.
*gives sierk a round of aplause*
> But yeah, she was a looker and more importantly a good character in the show
> and I disappointed too when she was killed.
I felt some disapointment afterwards. Atm I was truly hoping Oz would kill her.
I agree Veruca could have been an interesting regular character though. Ah
well.....
> But wat's worse, it's another
> meaningless death of a good character (just like Jenny and Doyle).
Whow, stop right there! Doyle's death was meaningless. I have vented that
opinion on this newsgroup often.
Jenny wasn't killed in a meaningless way however. Not even close...but I've said
that as well before....
The death of veruca was a pitty, but I wouldn't call it meaningless. She wasn't
a regular, and her death served the story line of this ep, so, no I would call
it regretable. A missed oportunity even. Not meaningless.....
> It could
> have been great to see how Oz copes with having taken a life, but instead
> he's gone! My favourite character! GONE!
I *know*!!!!!!
> Ah well, I was spoiled for that, so it wasn't that big a surprise. And I'm
> also spoiled for some of what will happen after Oz is gone, so maybe it's
> not all bad...maybe :(
You get my hopes up here....ah well we'll find out as the season progresses.....
> >And then, we had Willow in tears. Great acting, I guess. But
> >this makes it definite: she doesn't do it for me. I will never
> >be a Willowshipper. Her tears meant nothing to me. (Or perhaps I
> >was just too pissed off over the death of Veruca.)
>
> Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
Indeed. Although it would be nice to be unanimous about an ep once :-)
See Ya,
George
Peter Kleiweg
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> > >Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
> > >mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
> > >girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
> > >major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
> > >we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
> > >Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
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> > Well, I don't agree about her having more sex-appeal than the other
> > girly-girls put together and neither will anyone else in this ng, I think.
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> *gives sierk a round of aplause*
Am I the only one here with good taste?
--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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Well, we could invite the chess club, but they drink and they start
fights...
-- Owen, Never Kill a Boy on the First Date
Mattia Valente
No...round of applause may be a little too much. Personally, I like all
differnt kinds of girls, for different reasons. Veruca was one very
sexual woman though...
Lets all drink too much beer, and then there will be no Good or Bad,
just Pretty good, and kinda cool, solve this pesky taste problem right
here and now..
[ducks away]
Mattia
Fuzzy
george van hal wrote in message <3915E38F...@wxs.nl>...
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>> >Veruca, the first woman of substance since Drusilla, not to
>> >mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
>> >girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
>> >major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
>> >we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
>> >Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
>>
>> Well, I don't agree about her having more sex-appeal than the other
>> girly-girls put together and neither will anyone else in this ng, I
think.
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>*gives sierk a round of aplause*
<Bows graciously>
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>> But yeah, she was a looker and more importantly a good character in the
show
>> and I disappointed too when she was killed.
>
>I felt some disapointment afterwards. Atm I was truly hoping Oz would kill
her.
>I agree Veruca could have been an interesting regular character though. Ah
>well.....
>
>> But wat's worse, it's another
>> meaningless death of a good character (just like Jenny and Doyle).
>
>Whow, stop right there! Doyle's death was meaningless. I have vented that
>opinion on this newsgroup often.
>Jenny wasn't killed in a meaningless way however. Not even close...but I've
said
>that as well before....
What I mean is: they kill of a character in a dramatic way, fine. In the
following eps however, they hardly _do _ anything with it: the impact on the
gang is hardly noticeable.
>The death of veruca was a pitty, but I wouldn't call it meaningless. She
wasn't
>a regular, and her death served the story line of this ep, so, no I would
call
>it regretable. A missed oportunity even. Not meaningless.....
I don't see any gain for the show by killing her of. It might have if they
had kept Oz around to see how he deals with it. Definitely a missed
opportunity, as you say.
>
>> It could
>> have been great to see how Oz copes with having taken a life, but instead
>> he's gone! My favourite character! GONE!
>
>I *know*!!!!!!
<whine>
At least I can watch this ep if I start to miss him too much :)
>
>> Ah well, I was spoiled for that, so it wasn't that big a surprise. And
I'm
>> also spoiled for some of what will happen after Oz is gone, so maybe it's
>> not all bad...maybe :(
>
>You get my hopes up here....ah well we'll find out as the season
progresses.....
>
>> >And then, we had Willow in tears. Great acting, I guess. But
>> >this makes it definite: she doesn't do it for me. I will never
>> >be a Willowshipper. Her tears meant nothing to me. (Or perhaps I
>> >was just too pissed off over the death of Veruca.)
>>
>> Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
>
>Indeed. Although it would be nice to be unanimous about an ep once :-)
Oh, I think we all agree it's the best ep in S4 so far.
Sierk
Fuzzy
Mattia Valente wrote in message <3915F3CE...@std.vu.nl>...
>Peter Kleiweg wrote:
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>> > > >mention with more sex-appeal than Buffy, Willow, and the usual
>> > > >girly-girls can put together, and they kill her! That was a
>> > > >major disappointment, and incredibly stupid of the writers. (And
>> > > >we never got to see what happened to her after she got killed.
>> > > >Did she show her true face, like werewolves are supposed to do?)
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>> > > Well, I don't agree about her having more sex-appeal than the other
>> > > girly-girls put together and neither will anyone else in this ng, I
think.
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>> > *gives sierk a round of aplause*
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>
>
>No...round of applause may be a little too much. Personally, I like all
>differnt kinds of girls, for different reasons. Veruca was one very
>sexual woman though...
>
>Lets all drink too much beer, and then there will be no Good or Bad,
>just Pretty good, and kinda cool, solve this pesky taste problem right
>here and now..
>
>[ducks away]
Hčhč, no need. I don't need beer to think Veruca is both pretty good and
kinda cool. Not that I'd mind a pint, though. Foamy, as we've been taught by
beerguru Xander :)
>
>Mattia
P@rick
>
> Am I the only one here with good taste?
Probably. But you might want to take this to alt.food.delicacies.
Bye, Patrick
P@rick
>
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> Fuzzy wrote:
> > Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
>
> Indeed. Although it would be nice to be unanimous about an ep once :-)
The Wish will be on BBC soon. And then DGL to erase the last traces of
disagreement.
Bye, Patrick
george van hal
"P@rick" wrote:
We'll if peters still on this group (and I'm assuming he will be, allways nice
to have someone with differing opinions, makes for nice discussions...although
again, unaniminity (ok I made up that word.....so sue me ;-)) would be of the
nice again) the opinions woon't be unanimous. As I recall he disliked The whish
a lot (because of what happens to cordy..not gonna go into it here though,
without the spoiler space) and I also think I remember he disliked DGL as
well......so no unaniminity (languages be damned! I'm gonna use that word!)
there as well......
See Ya,
George - Unaniminity, Unaniminity. It has a nice *unpronouncable* ring to it
;-)
Peter Kleiweg
> george van hal wrote:
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> > Fuzzy wrote:
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> > > Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
> >
> > Indeed. Although it would be nice to be unanimous about an ep once :-)
>
> The Wish will be on BBC soon. And then DGL to erase the last traces of
> disagreement.
Did you miss out on all the disagreement over The Wish when it
aired on Net5? And DGL is no straightforward ep either.
Mattia Valente
>
> "P@rick" wrote:
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> > george van hal wrote:
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> > >
> > > Fuzzy wrote:
> >
> > > > Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
> > >
> > > Indeed. Although it would be nice to be unanimous about an ep once :-)
> >
> > The Wish will be on BBC soon. And then DGL to erase the last traces of
> > disagreement.
>
> to have someone with differing opinions, makes for nice discussions...although
> again, unaniminity (ok I made up that word.....so sue me ;-)) would be of the
> nice again) the opinions woon't be unanimous. As I recall he disliked The whish
> a lot (because of what happens to cordy..not gonna go into it here though,
> without the spoiler space) and I also think I remember he disliked DGL as
> well......so no unaniminity (languages be damned! I'm gonna use that word!)
> there as well......
Hehe..Unanimi(ni)ty is boring, I agree. As for TW and DGL, they kind of
go together; If you liked one, you probably like the other one (I
personally think the Cordy thing was a nice detail, quite real..)
Mattia
Wordy Poster Extraordinaire[tm]
Thinking he should finaly make a sig file...
Mattia Valente
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> P@rick skriver...
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> > george van hal wrote:
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> > > Fuzzy wrote:
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> > > > Well, we can't all have the same tastes in women (or men). Fortunately.
> > >
> > > Indeed. Although it would be nice to be unanimous about an ep once :-)
> >
> > The Wish will be on BBC soon. And then DGL to erase the last traces of
> > disagreement.
>
> aired on Net5? And DGL is no straightforward ep either.
Hehe...P@tricks busy wishful thinking again, methinks (the disagreement
about TW and DGL is well established...lets hash it all up again in a
few weeks ;-)
Mattia
P@rick
> Hehe...P@tricks busy wishful thinking again, methinks (the disagreement
> about TW and DGL is well established...lets hash it all up again in a
> few weeks ;-)
Was this disagreement actually about the Main Female Villain (esp. in DGL)?
Now you've got me interested!
Gentlemen, dig up your old postings!
Bye, Patrick
Already excited about things to come
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente wrote
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> > Hehe...P@tricks busy wishful thinking again, methinks (the disagreement
> > about TW and DGL is well established...lets hash it all up again in a
> > few weeks ;-)
>
> Was this disagreement actually about the Main Female Villain (esp. in DGL)?
> Now you've got me interested!
AFAIK (I didn't hang around here much at the time..very fleeting
acquaintance with the group back then..) it was more about what happened
to Cordelia (I'll leave it at that) in TW, MFV issues are, as should be
clear, also present to a degree.
> Gentlemen, dig up your old postings!
To the Deja.com, Away!
> Bye, Patrick
> Already excited about things to come
Boy, it doesn't take much, does it? ;-)
Mattia
"Bored Now"...just kidding, trying to get you all jumpy again ;-)