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Ok, so that was hush. Quotes from critics like "The best Buffy episode
ever" really weren't an exception and made anticipation very high, at
least with me.
So was this the best Buffy episode ever? No, not really. That's still
Passion, without a doubt. Was it a very good Buffy episode? That it was,
imho.
Hush started off like every other Buffy ep we've seen this season.
Leaning strongly on the funny. That has been one of the problems of this
season. It has been *too* funny, and it brought us *too* little drama,
with the exception of WaH. Not that that has been a very large problem,
because The Roll [tm] has brought us some very good eps, and hush was no
exception.
Anyways what started out like an avarage episode soon turned into
something special with a very interesting concept: No dialogue! For any
other show the lack of dialogue wouldn't have been a big problem, but
Buffy might be the show leaning heaviest on funny/sharp dialogue *ever*,
so that makes this episode a huge accomplishment. What we lacked in
dialogue was made up for by the acting of the cast. Of course there was
a bit of "cheating" in this ep, in the fact that "unspoken" dialogue was
used to deliver the funny. Very funny scenes included Xander's
phonecall, him accusing Spike etc.
Anyways, there were a few storyarc progressions as well. Buffy and Riley
finally see each others powers, plus and that's most important in this
ep: We are introduced to a new character: Tara! Yay!
I must say I really liked Tara. She was a nice uncertain character, sort
of like Willow in s1. not completly unatracktive either. We haven't seen
a lot of her yet, but you can be sure I'll be looking forward to seeing
more of her soonish ;-)
Anyways I'm out of discussion points for the moment, so I'll stop this
post right here, leaving you with my rating:
A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but this
episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit too little on
good drama to get that half point extra....
See Ya,
George
Rob
george van hal <hal0...@wxs.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
393A9DE1...@wxs.nl...
> Passion, without a doubt. Was it a very good Buffy episode? That it was,
> imho.
>
> Hush started off like every other Buffy ep we've seen this season.
> Leaning strongly on the funny. That has been one of the problems of this
> season. It has been *too* funny, and it brought us *too* little drama,
> with the exception of WaH. Not that that has been a very large problem,
> because The Roll [tm] has brought us some very good eps, and hush was no
> exception.
>
Have to agree
> Anyways what started out like an avarage episode soon turned into
> something special with a very interesting concept: No dialogue! For any
> other show the lack of dialogue wouldn't have been a big problem, but
> Buffy might be the show leaning heaviest on funny/sharp dialogue *ever*,
> so that makes this episode a huge accomplishment. What we lacked in
> dialogue was made up for by the acting of the cast. Of course there was
> a bit of "cheating" in this ep, in the fact that "unspoken" dialogue was
> used to deliver the funny. Very funny scenes included Xander's
> phonecall, him accusing Spike etc.
>
It was original and funny. Although I thought that Xander's phonecall was a
bit predictable.
> Anyways, there were a few storyarc progressions as well. Buffy and Riley
> finally see each others powers, plus and that's most important in this
> ep: We are introduced to a new character: Tara! Yay!
> I must say I really liked Tara. She was a nice uncertain character, sort
> of like Willow in s1. not completly unatracktive either. We haven't seen
> a lot of her yet, but you can be sure I'll be looking forward to seeing
> more of her soonish ;-)
>
Yes indeed. She has a lot of potential. I really to have another witch
in the group and I am curious how her character will evolve. Especially in
relation to Willow.
> Anyways I'm out of discussion points for the moment, so I'll stop this
> post right here, leaving you with my rating:
>
> A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but this
> episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit too little on
> good drama to get that half point extra....
>
Can't disagree. But I am not a huge rating fan so I won't give one myself.
Bye, Rob
Peter Kleiweg
> A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but
> this episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit
> too little on good drama to get that half point extra....
Shall I? Let's. I disagree. It was nice, it was funny, it wasn't
great. It lacked in development. Special effects were nice.
Could have been scary, but it never was.
--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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That's enough small talk, don't you think?
-- Olivia, Hush
george van hal
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> george van hal skriver...
>
> > A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but
> > this episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit
> > too little on good drama to get that half point extra....
>
> Shall I? Let's. I disagree.
<shock> <horror> You disagree with something *I* said, now that has
never happened before ;-)
> It was nice, it was funny, it wasn't
> great. It lacked in development.
It wasn't an episode about development. It was a good episode in it's
own right. A great stand alone ep with one of the most interesting and
greatly executed ideas we've had in any show for some time.
> Special effects were nice.
Agree.
> Could have been scary, but it never was.
Like I said in the other post, Buffy's never *ever* scary. I'm glad it
isn't a scary show. I dislike scary shows. I hate most horror. I usually
go for funny shows or great dramatic ones. Also don't dislike action. Or
a good story. Not one to hate sf/fantasy type things or shows either.
Buffy combines those themes and steals some themes from horror. But it
isn't horror. It isn't scary.
See Ya,
George (Hoping this won't lead to a "Does horror have to be scary?"
discussion)
Mattia Valente
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> Ok, so that was hush. Quotes from critics like "The best Buffy episode
> ever" really weren't an exception and made anticipation very high, at
> least with me.
True. I'm not sure the ep really lived up to its name, but IMHO its the
best of S4 thus far. WaH comes in second for me, though its a really
close call..tastes may vary, but I think this ep was executed
masterfully, and didn't have the annoying bits (Veruca's death issues)
that WaH had.
> So was this the best Buffy episode ever? No, not really. That's still
> Passion, without a doubt. Was it a very good Buffy episode? That it was,
> imho.
Passion still takes the crown, I agree, but this is definately one of
the best eps of S3 or S4, I think. Don't ask me to classify it more
specifically though ;-)
> Hush started off like every other Buffy ep we've seen this season.
> Leaning strongly on the funny. That has been one of the problems of this
> season. It has been *too* funny, and it brought us *too* little drama,
> with the exception of WaH. Not that that has been a very large problem,
> because The Roll [tm] has brought us some very good eps, and hush was no
> exception.
Exactly. Recently I was saying (to you actually, last friday ;-) that S4
has been, IMNSHO, possibly the most humor laden of all seasons this far.
Look at seasons 1, 2 and 3; far less funny eps, and certianly none of
the 'Something Blue' caliber, IMO (The Zeppo doesn't measure up that
well..) WaH was our dose of drama, the Freshmen was out does of teen
angst, and a lot of the rest was really quite funny. Beer Bad [ducks as
people start throwing things], THLOD, The Initiative, Pangs, Something
Blue (I'd wager to say the funniest buffy ep to date..) all had a good
dose of the funny in them, more than average, I think. Spike is in no
small way responsible for a good deal of this ;-)
> Anyways what started out like an avarage episode soon turned into
> something special with a very interesting concept: No dialogue! For any
> other show the lack of dialogue wouldn't have been a big problem, but
> Buffy might be the show leaning heaviest on funny/sharp dialogue *ever*,
> so that makes this episode a huge accomplishment. What we lacked in
I agree. When I first heard the concept of a show with no dialogue, I
was intrigued, in no small part because Buffy often relies on smart
writing and witty dialogue to proprel the show to another level. Well,
Joss and co proved that they don't need words to keep the funny going,
and the lack of words made for a very special ep with a particular feel,
one that I, for one liked a great deal.
> dialogue was made up for by the acting of the cast. Of course there was
> a bit of "cheating" in this ep, in the fact that "unspoken" dialogue was
> used to deliver the funny. Very funny scenes included Xander's
> phonecall, him accusing Spike etc.
And of course: "Boobies?" hehe..acting was really good this time around,
and the music played a really important part in this particualr episode
(no comments on the music? The use of Danse Macabre, for example? Shame
on you!! ;-)
It set the mood very effectively, and added a lot to the episode. The
Gentlemen were alse great creations, very scary indeed, that little bit
of vivisection is one of the more discutbing deaths we've had on Buffy,
well, ever really..I don't want to think about dying like that. Rathe
get my neck snapped by Angelus or be drained by Spike or something...I
hope it was over quickly.
> Anyways, there were a few storyarc progressions as well. Buffy and Riley
> finally see each others powers, plus and that's most important in this
> ep: We are introduced to a new character: Tara! Yay!
Woohoo!!!
> I must say I really liked Tara. She was a nice uncertain character, sort
> of like Willow in s1. not completly unatracktive either. We haven't seen
> a lot of her yet, but you can be sure I'll be looking forward to seeing
> more of her soonish ;-)
Hehe..yeah, I like Tara quite a lot. She does have a bit of that Early
Willow[tm] vibe, the uncertainty and the insecurity, lack of
assertiveness, a bit of a pushover. And unattractive she most certainly
is not ;-)
> Anyways I'm out of discussion points for the moment, so I'll stop this
> post right here, leaving you with my rating:
>
> A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but this
> episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit too little on
> good drama to get that half point extra....
Hmm...think the drama angle was well worked out. What kind of things do
you think could have been improved upon? Xander and Anya have worked out
some of their relationship issues, more of Giles' private life is
revealed (well, a little..that, and, surpirse, surprise, his sometime
lover is an artist as well! Who woulda thunk it..;-) Buffy and Riley
have definately got a bunch of stuff to talk about, which I am really
looking forward too ;-)
I'll give it the 9 or 9.5 out of 10, I think. Better eps were Passion
(duh) and Becoming (duh) that I can think of right now (at least, that's
my take today. Who knows what it'll be tomorrow ;-) That said, I'm
always a little uncomfortable rating episodes..good to do though, I'll
see if I can work up the nerve to reply to that global ep rating thread,
even though it will require quite a bit of deep thought to recall what I
thought of a number of those eps that I saw oh so long ago ;-)
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Peter Kleiweg
> Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> > Could have been scary, but it never was.
>
> Like I said in the other post, Buffy's never *ever* scary.
I thought Helpless was scary. True Horror, in a mild variety.
--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I've seen too much. I know what goes bump in the night. Not
being able to fight it...
-- Buffy, Helpless
Mattia Valente
>
> george van hal skriver...
>
> > this episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit
> > too little on good drama to get that half point extra....
>
Ooh, never had this happen before :-p Some things aren't meant to
change, I guess...
> great. It lacked in development. Special effects were nice.
> Could have been scary, but it never was.
What exactly did you expect from this ep in terms of development? We got
a fair bit of characterization and such stuff, not overly much, but
that's not what this ep is about, really. It is, as George said, a good
standalone ep, in fact I think a very good standalone ep. The special FX
were indeed nice (well, the exploding heads WERE a little silly, but ok
;-), the music this time around was great, IMNSHO, and since when has
Buffy ever been scary? Scariest bit in this ep was that little
vivisection scene, but I would categorize that as distubing since you
don't see much of anything.
Mattia
ReplyMesiter[tm]
george van hal
Mattia Valente wrote:
Wow, you're spoiler space is awfull looking to say the least ;-)
> > Ok, so that was hush. Quotes from critics like "The best Buffy episode
> > ever" really weren't an exception and made anticipation very high, at
> > least with me.
>
> True. I'm not sure the ep really lived up to its name, but IMHO its the
> best of S4 thus far. WaH comes in second for me, though its a really
> close call..tastes may vary, but I think this ep was executed
> masterfully, and didn't have the annoying bits (Veruca's death issues)
> that WaH had.
Indeed. But Hush did not have huge a lot of emotional involovement. That's
what I need to love an ep just that tiny bit more. So yes, it was a very very
good ep, deserving of a place on anyone's fav list, but afaic, it's not the
best of s4. But that's, like you said, a question of personal taste......
> > So was this the best Buffy episode ever? No, not really. That's still
> > Passion, without a doubt. Was it a very good Buffy episode? That it was,
> > imho.
>
> Passion still takes the crown, I agree, but this is definately one of
> the best eps of S3 or S4, I think. Don't ask me to classify it more
> specifically though ;-)
Hmm.....including s3. Yes *one* of the best eps (see the general rating thread
I started. Hope it's not too long and as such scaring everyone off, 'cause
there's been no replies yet....)
> > Hush started off like every other Buffy ep we've seen this season.
> > Leaning strongly on the funny. That has been one of the problems of this
> > season. It has been *too* funny, and it brought us *too* little drama,
> > with the exception of WaH. Not that that has been a very large problem,
> > because The Roll [tm] has brought us some very good eps, and hush was no
> > exception.
>
> Exactly. Recently I was saying (to you actually, last friday ;-) that S4
> has been, IMNSHO, possibly the most humor laden of all seasons this far.
Yes. And I agree with that 100% (like I did last friday ;-)).
Problem sort of is, that the huge amount of humour we now get in s4, gets in
the way of seriousness and huge involving drama eps. Buffy is loosing depth
rapidly and slowly turning into a comedy. Now I like comedies, and as such I
can't help but like the funny eps. But I sure hope the dramatic pace of this
season will pic up soon. Because now we have s2: Lots of Drama, s3: Lots of
Action and Drama, s4: Lots of Humor. I'd like to see that change to a s4: Lots
of Humor and Drama. Ah well, probably wishfull thinking......
> Look at seasons 1, 2 and 3; far less funny eps, and certianly none of
> the 'Something Blue' caliber, IMO (The Zeppo doesn't measure up that
> well..) WaH was our dose of drama, the Freshmen was out does of teen
> angst, and a lot of the rest was really quite funny.
Indeed. A bit *too* funny.
> Beer Bad [ducks as
> people start throwing things],
<Looks as a carton of water (barleduc if anyone wants to know ;-)) smashes
into the wall behind mattia's now lowered head> ;-)
> THLOD, The Initiative, Pangs, Something
> Blue (I'd wager to say the funniest buffy ep to date..) all had a good
> dose of the funny in them, more than average, I think. Spike is in no
> small way responsible for a good deal of this ;-)
Of course. Strangely we've had a bit less "Xander humor". I must say I like
his remarks better than the whole "spike is funny" trend we've seen in past
eps.......
> > dialogue was made up for by the acting of the cast. Of course there was
> > a bit of "cheating" in this ep, in the fact that "unspoken" dialogue was
> > used to deliver the funny. Very funny scenes included Xander's
> > phonecall, him accusing Spike etc.
>
> And of course: "Boobies?" hehe..acting was really good this time around,
> and the music played a really important part in this particualr episode
> (no comments on the music? The use of Danse Macabre, for example? Shame
> on you!! ;-)
I made comments on the music in that other thread (to witch you haven't
replied! Are you sick? ;-)), but not about the Danse Macabre. I liked it's
inclusion though. Made that briefing scene a lot better ;-)
> It set the mood very effectively, and added a lot to the episode. The
> Gentlemen were alse great creations, very scary indeed, that little bit
> of vivisection is one of the more discutbing deaths we've had on Buffy,
> well, ever really..I don't want to think about dying like that.
Ehhh......no I really don't want to think about dying that way either. I guess
you could say it was one of the most disturbing deaths to date ;-)
> Rathe
> get my neck snapped by Angelus or be drained by Spike or something...I
> hope it was over quickly.
Ouh. I'd want to de drained by darla. Or better yet, vamp willow ;-) Drained
and made a vampire of course.......
> > Anyways, there were a few storyarc progressions as well. Buffy and Riley
> > finally see each others powers, plus and that's most important in this
> > ep: We are introduced to a new character: Tara! Yay!
>
> Woohoo!!!
;-)
> > I must say I really liked Tara. She was a nice uncertain character, sort
> > of like Willow in s1. not completly unatracktive either. We haven't seen
> > a lot of her yet, but you can be sure I'll be looking forward to seeing
> > more of her soonish ;-)
>
> Hehe..yeah, I like Tara quite a lot. She does have a bit of that Early
> Willow[tm] vibe, the uncertainty and the insecurity, lack of
> assertiveness, a bit of a pushover. And unattractive she most certainly
> is not ;-)
So we agree on the Tara thing, than. *&5^$$3%^% people at the bronze
(buffy.com posting board) calling her fat and ugly, *to her face* while
posting. I really don't get that.......ah well at least it weren't the bronze
regs but a group of people coming on there especially (probably people who
hated the storyline....)
> > Anyways I'm out of discussion points for the moment, so I'll stop this
> > post right here, leaving you with my rating:
> >
> > A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but this
> > episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit too little on
> > good drama to get that half point extra....
>
> Hmm...think the drama angle was well worked out. What kind of things do
> you think could have been improved upon? Xander and Anya have worked out
> some of their relationship issues, more of Giles' private life is
> revealed (well, a little..that, and, surpirse, surprise, his sometime
> lover is an artist as well! Who woulda thunk it..;-) Buffy and Riley
> have definately got a bunch of stuff to talk about, which I am really
> looking forward too ;-)
Yes, as far as development and a good story there could not have been much
improvement. With drama I mean *drama* in the most litteral sense of the word.
That wasn't there at all in this ep. Wich was ok, because there was no place
for it *in* this ep and this ep worked perfectly without it, but still it's an
ep that's this good because of a concept, not because of great drama. So I
didn't give it that 0.5 points extra.....
> I'll give it the 9 or 9.5 out of 10, I think. Better eps were Passion
> (duh) and Becoming (duh) that I can think of right now (at least, that's
> my take today. Who knows what it'll be tomorrow ;-) That said, I'm
> always a little uncomfortable rating episodes..good to do though, I'll
> see if I can work up the nerve to reply to that global ep rating thread,
> even though it will require quite a bit of deep thought to recall what I
> thought of a number of those eps that I saw oh so long ago ;-)
Oh yes, but do reply ;-) My thread is starting to get lonely ;-) Plus with a
whole buffy-less week coming up, and after that a whole Buffy-less summer we
can use some extra threads.......
See Ya,
George
Peter Kleiweg
> What exactly did you expect from this ep in terms of
> development?
A complete town incapacitated in this way? We saw desolate
extras hanging around, but it didn't seemed to effect the main
characters.
> We got a fair bit of characterization and such stuff, not
> overly much, but that's not what this ep is about, really. It
> is, as George said, a good standalone ep, in fact I think a
> very good standalone ep. The special FX were indeed nice
> (well, the exploding heads WERE a little silly, but ok ;-),
> the music this time around was great, IMNSHO, and since when
> has Buffy ever been scary? Scariest bit in this ep was that
> little vivisection scene, but I would categorize that as
> distubing since you don't see much of anything.
"scary" is not the right word. "beklemmend" is what I was
looking for, which doesn't seem to have a satisfactory English
translation. I expected a "beklemmende" episode, from the given
subject of the episode. I expected something like Helpless, but
the humour prevented it ever becoming "beklemmend". And Helpless
did contain humour to, but it wasn't used to undermine the
tension of the story.
--
Peter Kleiweg | P e t r o n o m i c o n |
e-mail: invalid -> nl | http://www.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg |
Guardian of Spike's Innocence, and his Dislike of Puppies
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You're just a big bucket of funny.
-- Xander, I Only Have Eyes for You
Yorrit
> ever" really weren't an exception and made anticipation very high, at
> least with me.
>
> Passion, without a doubt. Was it a very good Buffy episode? That it
was,
> imho.
>
> Leaning strongly on the funny. That has been one of the problems of
this
> season. It has been *too* funny, and it brought us *too* little drama,
> with the exception of WaH. Not that that has been a very large
problem,
> because The Roll [tm] has brought us some very good eps, and hush was
no
> exception.
>
> something special with a very interesting concept: No dialogue! For
any
> other show the lack of dialogue wouldn't have been a big problem, but
> Buffy might be the show leaning heaviest on funny/sharp dialogue
*ever*,
> so that makes this episode a huge accomplishment. What we lacked in
was
> a bit of "cheating" in this ep, in the fact that "unspoken" dialogue
was
> used to deliver the funny. Very funny scenes included Xander's
> phonecall, him accusing Spike etc.
The situantions were very funny, you couldn't hear wat they said, but
you did understand what they meant.
> Anyways, there were a few storyarc progressions as well. Buffy and
Riley
> finally see each others powers, plus and that's most important in this
> ep: We are introduced to a new character: Tara! Yay!
> I must say I really liked Tara. She was a nice uncertain character,
sort
> of like Willow in s1. not completly unatracktive either. We haven't
seen
> a lot of her yet, but you can be sure I'll be looking forward to
seeing
> more of her soonish ;-)
Well, I can't make a real judgment on Tara, I haven't seen (and heard)
enough of her to do that, but it could be good, unless she will
interfere with the gang.
> Anyways I'm out of discussion points for the moment, so I'll stop this
> post right here, leaving you with my rating:
>
> A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but this
> episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit too little
on
> good drama to get that half point extra....
>
I think thats a little overrated, I'll give 8/10
Yorrit
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Peter Kleiweg <kle...@let.rug.invalid> wrote:
> george van hal skriver...
>
> > this episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit
> > too little on good drama to get that half point extra....
>
> Could have been scary, but it never was.
It's never scary, not to me anyway.
Yorrit
hal0...@wxs.nl wrote:
>
>
> Peter Kleiweg wrote:
>
> > george van hal skriver...
> >
> > > A whopping 9/10. I was thinking about giving it a 9.5/10, but
> > > this episode leaned a bit too much on a good concept and a bit
> > > too little on good drama to get that half point extra....
> >
> > Shall I? Let's. I disagree.
>
> never happened before ;-)
>
> > great. It lacked in development.
>
> own right. A great stand alone ep with one of the most interesting and
> greatly executed ideas we've had in any show for some time.
there can't be development in one ep. only revelations (buffy <-> Riley)
and introductions (Tara) that lead to development
> > Special effects were nice.
>
> Agree.
what special effects? those floathing guys? any low budget show could do
that. but, if you see the whole show, it has quite good sfx, for a tv
show.
Yorrit
Maybe not more funny (well I think it was, sometimes) but there were a
great bunch of good ones.
> and certianly none of
> the 'Something Blue' caliber, IMO (The Zeppo doesn't measure up that
> well..) WaH was our dose of drama, the Freshmen was out does of teen
> angst, and a lot of the rest was really quite funny. Beer Bad [ducks
as
> people start throwing things]
I think BB was one of the most terible eps yet, mainly because of the
anti-alcohol attitude, stupid PC americans.
>, THLOD, The Initiative, Pangs, Something
> Blue (I'd wager to say the funniest buffy ep to date..) all had a good
> dose of the funny in them, more than average, I think. Spike is in no
> small way responsible for a good deal of this ;-)
Yes, Spike DID fire up some eps in a big way.
Well, that hurts alot too, when someone pierces its fangs in you
arteries, no fun at all.
> > Anyways, there were a few storyarc progressions as well. Buffy and
Riley
> > finally see each others powers, plus and that's most important in
this
> > ep: We are introduced to a new character: Tara! Yay!
>
> Woohoo!!!
Woohoo?????
Yeah, Giles is really gettin' it on, now that he's not a librarian
anymore.
george van hal
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> > It wasn't an episode about development. It was a good episode in it's
> > own right. A great stand alone ep with one of the most interesting and
> > greatly executed ideas we've had in any show for some time.
>
> there can't be development in one ep. only revelations (buffy <-> Riley)
> and introductions (Tara) that lead to development
Anyways, yes this ep only had revalations and introductions. But revalations
and introductions *are* development. I was talking about character
development in my original post. I assume you were talking about c.d. (No
not a compact disc ;-)) as well because you seemed to agree with me. If you
look at it from a c.d. oint of view than, yes there was no real development
in this ep, only things leading to c.d. From the storyline development
point-of-view it's different though. Than there was development. S.d.(No
not a sexual disease ;-)) mostly leads to c.d (at least it does in a *good*
show) and the things that happened in this ep (like the Intoduction of Tara
and Riley and Buffy finding out about each other) were clearly s.d. So
clearly speaking there was development. Only no c.d. just s.d. Just wanted
to set that straight ;-)
See Ya,
George
george van hal
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
> Mattia Valente skriver...
>
> > What exactly did you expect from this ep in terms of
> > development?
>
> A complete town incapacitated in this way? We saw desolate
> extras hanging around, but it didn't seemed to effect the main
> characters.
Not really no. The extra's were there to set the mood, and the logical
surroundings of the story. The story we were watching was all about the
gang's own strugle with what went on, and their efforts to end the cause
of the problems (how's that for staying vague?)
> > and since when
> > has Buffy ever been scary? Scariest bit in this ep was that
> > little (....... cut for small spoilers by george.......) scene, but
> I would categorize that as
> > distubing since you don't see much of anything.
>
> "scary" is not the right word. "beklemmend" is what I was
> looking for, which doesn't seem to have a satisfactory English
> translation. I expected a "beklemmende" episode, from the given
> subject of the episode. I expected something like Helpless, but
> the humour prevented it ever becoming "beklemmend". And Helpless
> did contain humour to, but it wasn't used to undermine the
> tension of the story.
I did not really think helpless was "beklemmend" either. It was an ep
with great drama and characterisation, but it wasn't "beklemmend" or
troubeling or scary. This ep, could, indeed, have been "beklemmend",
just like other eps could have had more drama, but all of that is shoved
asside this season for humor. Wich I really really like, but now they're
overdoing it. I want more drama! In this episode, however, I didn't
really mind it all that much because the humor, the music, the story, it
just all sort of klicked......
See Ya,
George
- Who's wondering why we keep loosing the spoiler space in many of these
messages.......
Yorrit
Mattia Valente
Peter Kleiweg wrote:
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> Mattia Valente skriver...
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> > What exactly did you expect from this ep in terms of
> > development?
>
> A complete town incapacitated in this way? We saw desolate
> extras hanging around, but it didn't seemed to effect the main
> characters.
Sort of..I thought it was reasonably well done, could have been milked a
little more. The reaction that the town had (as I saw it, stunned and
confused by the goings on around them, and quite worried as well) was
realistic, and the reason I don't think it had too much of an effect on
the main characters is that odd as it may have been, it was obviously
something occult, something that they are used to dealing with (more or
less) by now.
> > We got a fair bit of characterization and such stuff, not
> > overly much, but that's not what this ep is about, really. It
> > is, as George said, a good standalone ep, in fact I think a
> > very good standalone ep. The special FX were indeed nice
> > (well, the exploding heads WERE a little silly, but ok ;-),
> > the music this time around was great, IMNSHO, and since when
> > has Buffy ever been scary? Scariest bit in this ep was that
> > little vivisection scene, but I would categorize that as
> > distubing since you don't see much of anything.
>
> "scary" is not the right word. "beklemmend" is what I was
> looking for, which doesn't seem to have a satisfactory English
Hmm...beklemmend...english equivalent would be..I have no clue ;-)
> translation. I expected a "beklemmende" episode, from the given
> subject of the episode. I expected something like Helpless, but
> the humour prevented it ever becoming "beklemmend". And Helpless
> did contain humour to, but it wasn't used to undermine the
> tension of the story.
Helpless is one of the only (if not the only) Buffy ep that for me sort
of borders on scary, and its definately beklemmend. Of course the
situation there was more dire for the main character, not for some
people we barely know (Buffy wasn't in serious danger here, Willow only
momentarily, and she solved that one quickly. All powers, etc. were
still present, and the lack of which, plus the whole betrayal issues in
'Helpless' were what gave it that specific feel.), so I find the 2 weps
dificult to compare, really.
Personally I still believe that 'Hush' is a comic ep at heart, just that
there are serious elements to it. 'Helpless' is probably the darkest ep
ever (in terms of themes, etc.) and I don't think they compare very
well.
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
wheez50
Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> knip ...
> > "scary" is not the right word. "beklemmend" is what I was
> > looking for, which doesn't seem to have a satisfactory English
>
> Hmm...beklemmend...english equivalent would be..I have no clue
Nauseating? Oppressive? Well, glad this beautiful language (eeehm) got it's
flaws too ;-)
Fuzzy
Peter Kleiweg wrote in message ...
<SNIP>
>"scary" is not the right word. "beklemmend" is what I was
>looking for, which doesn't seem to have a satisfactory English
>translation.
How about oppressive?
Sierk
Andrea
Fuzzy said:
I don't think there's a perfect translation. Oppressive, IMO, is more of a
'physical' kind of word, whereas 'beklemmend' refers to a mental state.
'Tense', perhaps?
Andrea :)
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>Passion, without a doubt. Was it a very good Buffy episode? That it was,
>imho.
At first, I wasn't really keen on this episode, but when I thought about
it, I decided that I liked it a lot. The only thing about it that really
annoyed me was the ending - the way the heads blew up was just so
cartoony, it ruined it.
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Mattia Valente
>
> Fuzzy said:
<SNIP 'what is beklemmend in english'>
> >How about oppressive?
>
> I don't think there's a perfect translation. Oppressive, IMO, is more of a
> 'physical' kind of word, whereas 'beklemmend' refers to a mental state.
Hmm...opressive can be used to describe a mental state, but its not
really right somehow.
> 'Tense', perhaps?
Not quite it either. The feeling of the word beklemmend isn't really
conveyed by it. Tense can be too neutral applied to too many situations
(If I'm tense because of an exam, beklemmend is not an accurate
description of my state ;-)
Can't really think of any good synonym for 'beklemmend'. The little
translation dictionary (online) spits out 'oppressing' but its still not
quite right. I guess there is no perfect word for it, that captures the
full extent of its meaning. Thank god we're bilingual, eh? ;-)
Mattia
Jonathan Black
> Can't really think of any good synonym for 'beklemmend'. The
> little translation dictionary (online) spits out 'oppressing' but
> its still not quite right. I guess there is no perfect word for
> it, that captures the full extent of its meaning. Thank god we're
> bilingual, eh? ;-)
OK, how about `chilling', `gripping', `harrowing'. The latter is
perhaps a litte too hash.
--
J o N a T H a N
"You could put it that way if you
want to, Mr. Technical."
--Xander `Beauty and the Beasts'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Mattia Valente
> OK, how about `chilling', `gripping', `harrowing'. The latter is
> perhaps a litte too hash.
Well, its sort of a blend of chilling and gripping, I think. It doesn't
have the same immediate scary connotations that chilling has (for me at
least) and its more 'serious' than gripping. Harrowing would be too
strong a word, too close to scary and all, doesn't catch the feel (too
'serious' this time.) Closest stuff so far, still no prefect match,
doubt one actually exists. Is there a translators NG or something
around? ;-))
Mattia
ReplyMeister[tm]
Sort of OT, isn't it? Should somone change the header?
Peter Kleiweg
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Mattia Valente wrote:
>
> > Can't really think of any good synonym for 'beklemmend'. The
> > little translation dictionary (online) spits out 'oppressing' but
> > its still not quite right. I guess there is no perfect word for
> > it, that captures the full extent of its meaning. Thank god we're
> > bilingual, eh? ;-)
>
> OK, how about `chilling', `gripping', `harrowing'. The latter is
> perhaps a litte too hash.
tensive?
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wheez50
> "scary" is not the right word. "beklemmend" is what I was
> looking for, which doesn't seem to have a satisfactory English
> translation.
stuck?
wheez50