Watchers Council
dksullivan
more.
What if the council was created by a Vampire or vampires with the
purpose of controlling and restricting the powers of the slayer? Many
of the councils practices and directives appear almost to impend
rather than assist the Slayer in her work.
Mattia Valente
>
> I've often wondered if the Council's origins could have been expanded
> more.
Sure, why not?
> What if the council was created by a Vampire or vampires with the
> purpose of controlling and restricting the powers of the slayer? Many
> of the councils practices and directives appear almost to impend
> rather than assist the Slayer in her work.
Erm, no. There is an actual 'origin' story in 'Fray', if you care to buy
it and read it. Written by Joss, so it's as close to being Canon as you
can get without having it on the show.
Specifically which practices would impede the slayer, though? The
training, finding them young, teaching them what they need to know, etc.
etc.? They are a very old-fashioned hierarchical institiution, though,
and there's always 'one slayer falls, another one comes to take her
place' in the mix.
Mattia
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"My beagle went swimming today and now he's typing on my keyboard with
his ample nose. Oh, and he's the bestest handsomeest beagle EVER."
--Tim Minear, Salon.com, May 2001
dksullivan
> dksullivan wrote:
> >
> > I've often wondered if the Council's origins could have been expanded
> > more.
>
> Sure, why not?
>
> > What if the council was created by a Vampire or vampires with the
> > purpose of controlling and restricting the powers of the slayer? Many
> > of the councils practices and directives appear almost to impend
> > rather than assist the Slayer in her work.
>
> Erm, no. There is an actual 'origin' story in 'Fray', if you care to buy
> it and read it. Written by Joss, so it's as close to being Canon as you
> can get without having it on the show.
If I "care to buy it and read it"?
Perhaps, I will. And perhaps in future if I find myself in a position
where someone refers to speculation on something that I know abou
already, I'll be sure and make a mental note not to be condescending
to them.
> Specifically which practices would impede the slayer, though? The
> training, finding them young, teaching them what they need to know, etc.
> etc.? They are a very old-fashioned hierarchical institiution, though,
> and there's always 'one slayer falls, another one comes to take her
> place' in the mix.
>
> Mattia
They design the training program and decide what the slayer will know
and what the slayer is not to be told.
Perhaps, Buffy is the first slayer to deviate sufficiently from the
norm that it allows her greater strength and for her to be more in
touch with the origins of the slayer. It was just an idea for crying
out loud, no need to bat me down.
Dan Milburn
> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> wrote in message
> news:<3D341724...@std.vu.nl>...
>> dksullivan wrote:
>> >
>> > I've often wondered if the Council's origins could have been expanded
>> > more.
>>
>> Sure, why not?
>>
>> > What if the council was created by a Vampire or vampires with the
>> > purpose of controlling and restricting the powers of the slayer? Many
>> > of the councils practices and directives appear almost to impend
>> > rather than assist the Slayer in her work.
>>
>> Erm, no. There is an actual 'origin' story in 'Fray', if you care to
>> buy it and read it. Written by Joss, so it's as close to being Canon as
>> you can get without having it on the show.
>
> If I "care to buy it and read it"?
> Perhaps, I will. And perhaps in future if I find myself in a position
> where someone refers to speculation on something that I know abou
> already, I'll be sure and make a mental note not to be condescending to
> them.
Oh, it's just Mattias way. I'm sure he didn't mean to be condescending.
>> Specifically which practices would impede the slayer, though? The
>> training, finding them young, teaching them what they need to know,
>> etc. etc.? They are a very old-fashioned hierarchical institiution,
>> though, and there's always 'one slayer falls, another one comes to take
>> her place' in the mix.
>>
>> Mattia
>
>
> They design the training program and decide what the slayer will know
> and what the slayer is not to be told.
Yes, because to them she's a soldier in the 'war', and that's the way
armies operate - give the people on the ground enough information to get
the job done, and no more. And as Mattia says, to them she is expendable.
> Perhaps, Buffy is the first slayer to deviate sufficiently from the norm
> that it allows her greater strength and for her to be more in touch with
> the origins of the slayer.
But what we've seen of the origins of the Slayer (especially in
'Restless') suggests that it is her difference from them which gives her
greater strength, and has allowed her to live as long as she has (well,
she's died a couple of times, but, y'know, she's still here) - her
connections to the world, her friends.
She does have an anti-authoritarian streak, but I'm not sure it's really
anything to do with that - Faith is a much more extreme example, and look
where it's got her..
Dan
Scott Kelly
Dan Milburn said -
>On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:47:41 +0100, dksullivan wrote:
>
>> Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> wrote in message
>> news:<3D341724...@std.vu.nl>...
>>> dksullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> > What if the council was created by a Vampire or vampires with the
>>> > purpose of controlling and restricting the powers of the slayer? Many
>>> > of the councils practices and directives appear almost to impend
>>> > rather than assist the Slayer in her work.
>>>
>>> Erm, no. There is an actual 'origin' story in 'Fray', if you care to
>>> buy it and read it. Written by Joss, so it's as close to being Canon as
>>> you can get without having it on the show.
>>
>> If I "care to buy it and read it"?
>> Perhaps, I will. And perhaps in future if I find myself in a position
>> where someone refers to speculation on something that I know abou
>> already, I'll be sure and make a mental note not to be condescending to
>> them.
>
>Oh, it's just Mattias way. I'm sure he didn't mean to be condescending.
Ooh, is Mattia being scary again? He's always so nasty. You were lucky,
you got an *actual* sentence after the 'Erm, no.' I just get a 'no'...
;)
Really now though, as Dan has said I am also sure he isn't being
condescending. I can't imagine the 'care to buy it...' thing to mean
that you must go out and get it. Or should have done already. I think
it means if you ever *decide* to go out and buy it.
And I'm sure if Mattia hadn't disappeared off the face of planet he'd
(probably ;) be here saying the same. But since he isn't I'll defend
him for now. This once... ;)
Snipped the rest 'cos that is just *sooo* on-topic. And that just isn't
my thing nowadays. Supposedly.
Scott
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dksullivan
Fair enough, I'll cut him some slack. For now. For future
reference,it's not just Micks from Galway who have the Angel's face
and the devil's teeth.
And for the match this weekend Galway are going down to Kerry.