Amends - weird ending
Saskia
I rewatched Amends today...
and I had forgotten this was a "Kleenex Ep" [tm] :-)) I can think of an
upcoming event where this one would fit in nicely with Becoming but I
won't go there ;-) ...
Anyways, does anyone remember this episode well? Cos I'm confused about
the ending. The whole time Angel is in grave danger because The First
Evil is after him - in the form of the people he killed including Jenny
(!) - and when he can't take it anymore he goes up to a hill to let
himself be killed by the sun.
Enter Buffy, heartbraking scene... 'I love you, I hate this, I wish that
I wished you dead but I don't, I killed you and it didn’t help, you have
to be strong' ... ohmygawd look it's snowing, Buffy and Angel walk the
streets hand in hand and exit.
I must have missed something because as far as I know the terrible First
Evil is still out there... never to be seen again, I might add. Isn't
that just a _little_ bit weird?
Thoughts anyone?
Saskia
Sierk
"Saskia" <sas...@hetwasietsmet.nl> wrote in message
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Quite weird indeed. Buffy has scattered the priests, perhaps, but
couldn't stop the First so it's still out there. It's been
suggested that the snow was send by TPTB and perhaps they protect
Angel from the First from then on, but that's pure speculation.
The ending is one of the reasons that I didn't like Amends all that
much the first time I saw it. I still don't like the ending all
that much, but the rest of the ep is quite good. Especially the
parts with Oz and Willow of course. Oz is really at his best in
this ep.
I've always found the ending of the ep a bit forced. More or less
from the point that Buffy runs away from the First to save Angel.
Then again, I never really liked Angel in S3, because he was so
weak That's especially obvious in this ep, so maybe it's only that.
I like Angel much better in LA
Sierk
Jonathan Black
> I must have missed something because as far as I know the
> terrible First Evil is still out there... never to be seen
> again, I might add. Isn't that just a _little_ bit weird?
Well perhaps the idea is that Angel had now come to terms with
everything again, no longer suicidal and so the Evil is no longer
able to bother him. I mean, perhaps the problem was that Angel
pretty much _believed_ what the Evil was telling him, remining
him of all the evil things he had done and basically telling him
that he was Bad [tm]. He wasn't so much going to kill himself
because he couldn't take this torture any more, but more because
he actually believed what it was saying to him, that he didn't
deserve to live. Buffy has now convinced him that that's BS and
with a little help from TPTB's weather control system, he's got
over the suicide thing, so the First Evil will not bother to
bother him any more.
The ep really isn't that fresh in my mind, so this could all be
complete crap, but this is my take for now.
;-)
--
J o N a T H a N
Willow: "Do you want us to hug now?"
Oz: "Yeah, I'm good for that."
--`Amends'
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Mattia Valente
>
> I rewatched Amends today...
>
> and I had forgotten this was a "Kleenex Ep" [tm] :-)) I can think of an
Classic Kleenex. For S3, anyway.
> upcoming event where this one would fit in nicely with Becoming but I
> won't go there ;-) ...
;-)
> Anyways, does anyone remember this episode well? Cos I'm confused about
More or less. Well, more more than less, really, but I'll shut up and
try to answer the question.
> the ending. The whole time Angel is in grave danger because The First
> Evil is after him - in the form of the people he killed including Jenny
> (!) - and when he can't take it anymore he goes up to a hill to let
> himself be killed by the sun.
Yes, indeed. Tortured by the First Evil, he believes that he's unworthy
to live, that he should be dead, so he goes off.
> Enter Buffy, heartbraking scene... 'I love you, I hate this, I wish that
> I wished you dead but I don't, I killed you and it didn’t help, you have
> to be strong' ... ohmygawd look it's snowing, Buffy and Angel walk the
> streets hand in hand and exit.
That's where he picked up that taste for waling around in quasi-direct
sunlight, is it? ;o)
> I must have missed something because as far as I know the terrible First
> Evil is still out there... never to be seen again, I might add. Isn't
> that just a _little_ bit weird?
It is a little weird. The First Evil isn't the MFFE, really. Or the MFFG
(aka TPTB) as I see it. It predates all of that, it was there before
anything else existed. Buffy got rid of the priests, and I guess the
first evil is off bugging other people or creatures for now, doing it's
thing. It's power wasn't really physical at all (went poof pretty damn
fast when Buffy showed up. Big show, no drama.)
IIRC, the First's original plan was for Angel to kill Buffy, but when he
decided to go kill himself, the reaction was a little uncaring. Sort of
a 'sure, that'll work too. whatever' (I can't be bothered to look up the
quote ;-) Niether happened, and it seems TPTB intervened with some snow,
to clarify that Angel has a purpose, although he doesn't know it quite
yet, and that there are people (well, Buffy) that care about him. The
first evil just left at that, seeing how it got busted by Buffy (found
out..) and priesty boys were scattered. It's still a little bit weird,
but in a way understandable, since we've seen how not really overly
involved with it all the First is. Sort of. Maybe. I guess.
;-)
Mattia
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<Pine.LNX.4.21.00112...@deadlock.et.tudelft.nl>,
Jonathan Black <jona...@ch.twi.tudelft.nl> wrote:
> Saskia wrote:
>
> > I must have missed something because as far as I know the
> > terrible First Evil is still out there... never to be seen
> > again, I might add. Isn't that just a _little_ bit weird?
>
> everything again, no longer suicidal and so the Evil is no longer
> able to bother him. I mean, perhaps the problem was that Angel
> pretty much _believed_ what the Evil was telling him, remining
> him of all the evil things he had done and basically telling him
> that he was Bad [tm]. He wasn't so much going to kill himself
> because he couldn't take this torture any more, but more because
> he actually believed what it was saying to him, that he didn't
> deserve to live. Buffy has now convinced him that that's BS and
> with a little help from TPTB's weather control system, he's got
> over the suicide thing, so the First Evil will not bother to
> bother him any more.
>
> The ep really isn't that fresh in my mind, so this could all be
> complete crap, but this is my take for now.
>
> ;-)
> --
> J o N a T H a N
>
> Willow: "Do you want us to hug now?"
> Oz: "Yeah, I'm good for that."
> --`Amends'
> Buffy the Vampire Slayer
>
thread. There are lots of them hanging around, waiting to be pulled.
The Praying Mantis Lady's eggs in Dr. Gregory's closet. The statue of
Acathla. The broken bits of the Judge. The invisible girl on the
Assassin's squad. Amy T. Rat. Cat Madison in the cheerleader statue.
The miracle of the snow. The Get Out of Hell Free claddagh ring.
In case you hadn't thought about it that much, Joss is not a tidy person
when it comes to tying up loose ends and explaining everything. 100
years after Buffy ends its run, our descendants will be asking a lot of
these same questions. Joss's great great grandson will be giving the
same obtuse answer: "All will be explained."
In the year 2525, maybe.
Cynical in 2000 Anno Domini.
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Saskia
Mattia Valente schreef:
>
> Saskia wrote:
> > I must have missed something because as far as I know the terrible First
> > Evil is still out there... never to be seen again, I might add. Isn't
> > that just a _little_ bit weird?
>
> IIRC, the First's original plan was for Angel to kill Buffy, but when he
> decided to go kill himself, the reaction was a little uncaring. Sort of
> a 'sure, that'll work too. whatever' (I can't be bothered to look up the
> quote ;-) Niether happened, and it seems TPTB intervened with some snow,
> to clarify that Angel has a purpose, although he doesn't know it quite
> yet, and that there are people (well, Buffy) that care about him. The
> first evil just left at that, seeing how it got busted by Buffy (found
> out..) and priesty boys were scattered. It's still a little bit weird,
> but in a way understandable, since we've seen how not really overly
> involved with it all the First is. Sort of. Maybe. I guess.
That's sort of what Jonathan was saying too... guess you're right. It's
still kinda weird but this does make sense. It would probably have been
even more unrealistic if suddenly a slayer would be able to kill off the
First Evil.
So I'll accept your explanation :-)
Saskia