buffy 7x10 endspeech.
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allright, I guess that the writers were in a hurry but why they then
have to steal Bushes speeches to quickly write the end of this episode?
Was there nothing better at hand?
Dean Yaeger
bo...@boos.nl says...
:)
my thoughts exactly. it was definitely a deliberate reference to the
illegal "pre-emptive strikes" that are a part of the phony "war on
terror" (ooh, controversial... ;)
i think it could make for a very interesting and exciting finale,
though. buffy, like the bush cadre, may well be driving the world
towards armageddon through her bellicose attitude and actions.
anyway, i've got a sneaky feeling this "first evil" thing is a fake, an
illusion created by the bringers, who appear to be an apocalyptic sect
of some kind. i thought the first evil was lame when it appeared in
amends, and i'm not convinced by it this time.
in fact, it appears to be an illusion in the same way that "islamic
fundamentalist terror" is an illusory propaganda justification for
domestic population control and international (US) state terrorism.
wow...is that just *too* procovative or what???
;)
bolle boos
"Dean Yaeger" <deany...@SPAMhotmailGUARD.com> schreef in bericht
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Hmm maybe it was written at that time when the attack happened.
And the sentiment was there and I can understand that it was on everybodies
mind.
If america would invade my country, and they have a law now in which they
say they would
in case an american is tried by the international tribunal in the hague, I
would be pissed too.
> i think it could make for a very interesting and exciting finale,
> though. buffy, like the bush cadre, may well be driving the world
> towards armageddon through her bellicose attitude and actions.
Hmm could be, but I can remember that she allready raised an army
at the oold highschool to stop the assention of the mayor, s it isn`t
something
new, when the force asks for an army, you raise an army, when it is damage
control,
which it ussually is, you use less force.
But I think she should ask for backup, I mean there are other groups within
the buffyverse
that can be called upon, like witches covents etc., and when you face an
opponent like this
you better get some help from all sources.
> anyway, i've got a sneaky feeling this "first evil" thing is a fake, an
> illusion created by the bringers, who appear to be an apocalyptic sect
> of some kind. i thought the first evil was lame when it appeared in
> amends, and i'm not convinced by it this time.
The strangest thing is that a god like gloria couldn`t do as much damage as
an
old neantherthal vampire can, that is what I find the strangest.
And why does the origin of evil need such a difficult way to enter this
realm?
What power has stopped him before, and knowing what did, why did it stop
doing so?
Knowing and looking into this could help more then raising an army.
And if this evil has helpers and minions, why wouldn`t the power that
contained
the first evil have helpers or minions too?
> in fact, it appears to be an illusion in the same way that "islamic
> fundamentalist terror" is an illusory propaganda justification for
> domestic population control and international (US) state terrorism.
> wow...is that just *too* procovative or what???
Nope, allthough I think that fundementalist crazies are also a danger.
But provoking them would be even more dangerous.
And giving american agencies a license to kill, makes him just as bad
as the moslim imams who do the same, calling for the dead of persons
that have insulted etc. their believe.
> ;)
Mattia Valente
>>illegal "pre-emptive strikes" that are a part of the phony "war on
>>terror" (ooh, controversial... ;)
>
> Hmm maybe it was written at that time when the attack happened.
Which attack? September 11th last year? Ummm....no.
They may be patriotic, as anyone is to a degree, but I really don't
think we need to be drawing too many parallels with the 'War against
Terror' here. Remember 'Angel' a few weeks ago? Cordy's line "I remeber
who's president, and I sorta wish I didn't.."
;-)
> And the sentiment was there and I can understand that it was on everybodies
> mind.
> If america would invade my country, and they have a law now in which they
> say they would in case an american is tried by the international tribunal
> in the hague, I would be pissed too.
Well, quite.
Mattia
--
"It's all Shakespeare's fault. The rat bastard." - Joss Whedon
bolle boos
"Mattia Valente" <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in bericht
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Nope I didn`t remember for I haven`t downloaded angel eps yet.
and the line of cordy is basically useable for most if not all presidents.
;7)
I know I shouldn`t have drawn the parallel, but it struck me at the end like
this is exactly what Bush could have said.
If I was buffy, which is unlikely since I am of the wrong gender, don`t have
superpowers ,,,hmmm.... I am loosing track here, If I was buffy I wouldn`t
be so bold but would be asking around what powerfull groups there are
like witches covents etc. If you can`t beat them alone, find help I would
say.
And that this help isn`t already gathering in that area, suprises me.
Like the other groups think, oh just another armageddon , can`t be bothered
with that. ;7)
Mattia Valente
Perhaps, but I don't think it's unintentional. Hollywood's not terribly
pro-Bush.
> I know I shouldn`t have drawn the parallel, but it struck me at the end like
> this is exactly what Bush could have said.
..sort of. The thing is, she's got a point, ie small group facing large
strong actual EVIL. There's no room for pragmatism of any sort here.
It's the place and context that something's used in that makes it
appropriate or not.
> If I was buffy, which is unlikely since I am of the wrong gender, don`t have
> superpowers ,,,hmmm.... I am loosing track here, If I was buffy I wouldn`t
> be so bold but would be asking around what powerfull groups there are
> like witches covents etc. If you can`t beat them alone, find help I would
> say.
Quite. But her contacts (ie, the Watcher's Council) aren't going to be
much help there..
> And that this help isn`t already gathering in that area, suprises me.
Why?
> Like the other groups think, oh just another armageddon , can`t be bothered
> with that. ;7)
Buffy and Co only just worked out the whole thing recently. And remember
what happened to that big, strong 'other group'? It got blown into
little bitty pieces.
Mattia
--
"Too many obsessions to list. My obsessions have obsessions." -
Steve DeKnight
bolle boos
Well, saying it like that makes it abit, well I don`t know.
> > If I was buffy, which is unlikely since I am of the wrong gender, don`t
have
> > superpowers ,,,hmmm.... I am loosing track here, If I was buffy I
wouldn`t
> > be so bold but would be asking around what powerfull groups there are
> > like witches covents etc. If you can`t beat them alone, find help I
would
> > say.
>
> Quite. But her contacts (ie, the Watcher's Council) aren't going to be
> much help there..
There are ways, that`s why the net is there for. You can quickly find groups
you seek.
> > And that this help isn`t already gathering in that area, suprises me.
>
> Why?
Because they noticed the big bad willow appearing in a far remote area.
They felt the shift in power.
> > Like the other groups think, oh just another armageddon , can`t be
bothered
> > with that. ;7)
>
> Buffy and Co only just worked out the whole thing recently. And remember
> what happened to that big, strong 'other group'? It got blown into
> little bitty pieces.
The council isn`t a big strong other group, it were, well, like it says ,
watchers.
For the most time.
And if there is a first for all evil, I would say find a first for good, and
do it fast.
But this is the buffyverse, so things don`t go as they do in the real world
I guess.
Ian
If I was buffy I
> wouldn`t
> > > be so bold but would be asking around what powerfull groups there are
> > > like witches covents etc. If you can`t beat them alone, find help I
> would
> > > say.
> >
> > Quite. But her contacts (ie, the Watcher's Council) aren't going to be
> > much help there..
>
> There are ways, that`s why the net is there for. You can quickly find groups
> you seek.
>
> > > And that this help isn`t already gathering in that area, suprises me.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Because they noticed the big bad willow appearing in a far remote area.
> They felt the shift in power.
>
Well, having just watched the ep I'm not so sure there aren't already
other forces getting involved here, other than the First. I'm not
convinced that the Buffy's mum who's showing up in her dreams is
necessarily evil, or that the Principal's really a bad guy... but only
time will tell of course!
Ian
bolle boos
"Ian" <ikgr...@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
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If time gets off course, it might tell for it wanders from the future in the
past
but since time is ussually on course this very well is never going to
happen. ;7ş
> Ian
Ian Kirk
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> "bolle boos" <bo...@boos.nl> wrote in message
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> If I was buffy I
> > wouldn`t
> > > > be so bold but would be asking around what powerfull groups there
are
> > > > like witches covents etc. If you can`t beat them alone, find help I
> > would
> > > > say.
> > >
> > > Quite. But her contacts (ie, the Watcher's Council) aren't going to be
> > > much help there..
> >
> > There are ways, that`s why the net is there for. You can quickly find
groups
> > you seek.
> >
> > > > And that this help isn`t already gathering in that area, suprises
me.
> > >
> > > Why?
> >
> > They felt the shift in power.
> >
>
> Well, having just watched the ep I'm not so sure there aren't already
Guys, as names are being named, perhaps spoiler space can be retained?
Ian (albeit a different one)
bolle boos
"Ian Kirk" <ian...@ntlword.com> schreef in bericht
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Yeah right 'big bad willow' gives away a lot doesn`t it?
And if you watch the topic 7x10 endspeech you didn`t think, well maybe
it is about , well let me guess, 7x10? ways away from dutch or british
episodes?
Ian Kirk
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> "Ian Kirk" <ian...@ntlword.com> schreef in bericht
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> > "Ian" <ikgr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bb25137a.02122...@posting.google.com...
> > > "bolle boos" <bo...@boos.nl> wrote in message
> > > > > Why?
> > > >
> > > > Because they noticed the <snip!> appearing in a far remote area.
> > > > They felt the shift in power.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, having just watched the ep I'm not so sure there aren't already
> > > other forces getting involved here, other than <snip!>
> >
> > Guys, as names are being named, perhaps spoiler space can be retained?
> >
> > Ian (albeit a different one)
>
> Yeah right 'big bad willow' gives away a lot doesn`t it?
If you don't know that Willow's the S6 Big Bad, then hell yes.
Rather more serious though was the second snippage, which went on to read
"I'm not so sure there aren't already other forces getting involved here,
other than the First"...so you think *that* isn't a spoiler???
> And if you watch the topic 7x10 endspeech you didn`t think, well maybe
> it is about , well let me guess, 7x10? ways away from dutch or british
> episodes?
Sure, but the ground rules are topic warnings *and* spoiler space so that
people hitting the "Next Unread" button don't get blindsided. You did put
spoiler space in your original post just in case, so surely it was at least
as necessary further down when major S6 and S7 plot elements are being
mentioned?
In any case, Happy Christmas!
Ian
bolle boos
Hmm then the association won`t be there so nothing lost.
> Rather more serious though was the second snippage, which went on to read
> "I'm not so sure there aren't already other forces getting involved here,
> other than the First"...so you think *that* isn't a spoiler???
i didn`t make that one, but no, not really.
You still have no idear what we are on about.
> > And if you watch the topic 7x10 endspeech you didn`t think, well maybe
> > it is about , well let me guess, 7x10? ways away from dutch or british
> > episodes?
>
> Sure, but the ground rules are topic warnings *and* spoiler space so that
> people hitting the "Next Unread" button don't get blindsided. You did put
> spoiler space in your original post just in case, so surely it was at
least
> as necessary further down when major S6 and S7 plot elements are being
> mentioned?
Well yeah, I didn`t really notice it because I had just posted in
alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer before I came here. there are no spoiler spaces.
And I never hit a button called , next post. where is that anyways?
But okay I will pay more attention next time.
> In any case, Happy Christmas!
merry christmas
> Ian
>
>
Dan Milburn
>> Rather more serious though was the second snippage, which went on to
>> read "I'm not so sure there aren't already other forces getting
>> involved here, other than the First"...so you think *that* isn't a
>> spoiler???
>
> i didn`t make that one, but no, not really. You still have no idear what
> we are on about.
You will have an idea that the First appears in Season 7. Isn't that
enough? Especially since it will be obvious to anyone who sees 'Lessons'
what it's referring to.
Anyway, it's pointless arguing about how *much* of a spoiler anything is.
Anything which reveals information about future episodes, no matter how
minor, should contain spoiler space.
>> > And if you watch the topic 7x10 endspeech you didn`t think, well
>> > maybe it is about , well let me guess, 7x10? ways away from dutch or
>> > british episodes?
>>
>> Sure, but the ground rules are topic warnings *and* spoiler space so
>> that people hitting the "Next Unread" button don't get blindsided. You
>> did put spoiler space in your original post just in case, so surely it
>> was at
> least
>> as necessary further down when major S6 and S7 plot elements are being
>> mentioned?
>
> Well yeah, I didn`t really notice it because I had just posted in
> alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer before I came here. there are no spoiler spaces.
> And I never hit a button called , next post. where is that anyways?
Depends on your newsreader. On mine you press 'n' to jump to the next
post. Generally the quickest way of navigating a newsgroup.
Dan
bolle boos
"Dan Milburn" <daniel...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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Sure bashing time. get a life.
> >> > And if you watch the topic 7x10 endspeech you didn`t think, well
> >> > maybe it is about , well let me guess, 7x10? ways away from dutch or
> >> > british episodes?
> >>
> >> Sure, but the ground rules are topic warnings *and* spoiler space so
> >> that people hitting the "Next Unread" button don't get blindsided. You
> >> did put spoiler space in your original post just in case, so surely it
> >> was at
> > least
> >> as necessary further down when major S6 and S7 plot elements are being
> >> mentioned?
> >
> > Well yeah, I didn`t really notice it because I had just posted in
> > alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer before I came here. there are no spoiler spaces.
> > And I never hit a button called , next post. where is that anyways?
>
> Depends on your newsreader. On mine you press 'n' to jump to the next
> post. Generally the quickest way of navigating a newsgroup.
Nope I choose by topic, for a lot of post wouldn`t be interesting anyways.
>
> Dan
Ian Kirk
> >
> > If you don't know that Willow's the S6 Big Bad, then hell yes.
>
> Hmm then the association won`t be there so nothing lost.
Maybe (only "maybe") no association at the moment, but mid-ish S6 when
Willow's showing real signs of going postal people who read the post may
think "hey, so that's what 'big bad Willow' meant" and be spoilt for the end
of the series as a result.
> > Rather more serious though was the second snippage, which went on to
read
> > "I'm not so sure there aren't already other forces getting involved
here,
> > other than the First"...so you think *that* isn't a spoiler???
>
> i didn`t make that one,
Granted, but you had the very minor "Willow" mention, then Ian [the other
one] mentioned the First - putting my warning in at the first point things
started drifting spoilerwards seemed best.
> but no, not really.
> You still have no idear what we are on about.
Again, not at the moment, but as soon as they see mysterious happenings at
the start of S7 they recall the mention of the First, and bingo, spoiled!
All assuming people on this NG have memories that work that long, of course,
which may be an assumption too far. :-)
> > Sure, but the ground rules are topic warnings *and* spoiler space so
that
> > people hitting the "Next Unread" button don't get blindsided. You did
put
> > spoiler space in your original post just in case, so surely it was at
> least
> > as necessary further down when major S6 and S7 plot elements are being
> > mentioned?
>
> Well yeah, I didn`t really notice it because I had just posted in
> alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer before I came here. there are no spoiler spaces.
> And I never hit a button called , next post. where is that anyways?
> But okay I will pay more attention next time.
Ta, that's all I was aiming to remind you (and OtherIan) about; "see" you in
2003 (or before if this thread continues to stagger on :-) ).
Ian
[Who's at home on final leg pre-Xmas support duty, and really has nothing
better to do until midday.]
bolle boos
Well maaaaaaaybe, a very slight maybe.
> > > Rather more serious though was the second snippage, which went on to
> read
> > > "I'm not so sure there aren't already other forces getting involved
> here,
> > > other than the First"...so you think *that* isn't a spoiler???
> >
> > i didn`t make that one,
>
> Granted, but you had the very minor "Willow" mention, then Ian [the other
> one] mentioned the First - putting my warning in at the first point things
> started drifting spoilerwards seemed best.
Well I watched spoilers all the time and I must say most of the time I had
no clue
until I had seen the episode, but then , I mostly don`t have a clue. ;7)
> > but no, not really.
> > You still have no idear what we are on about.
>
> Again, not at the moment, but as soon as they see mysterious happenings at
> the start of S7 they recall the mention of the First, and bingo, spoiled!
Hmm you have good memories, I must remember that, hmm there lies the problem
I guess. ;7)
> All assuming people on this NG have memories that work that long, of
course,
> which may be an assumption too far. :-)
Ah did you mention memories somewhere?
> > > Sure, but the ground rules are topic warnings *and* spoiler space so
> that
> > > people hitting the "Next Unread" button don't get blindsided. You did
> put
> > > spoiler space in your original post just in case, so surely it was at
> > least
> > > as necessary further down when major S6 and S7 plot elements are being
> > > mentioned?
> >
> > Well yeah, I didn`t really notice it because I had just posted in
> > alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer before I came here. there are no spoiler spaces.
> > And I never hit a button called , next post. where is that anyways?
> > But okay I will pay more attention next time.
>
> Ta, that's all I was aiming to remind you (and OtherIan) about; "see" you
in
> 2003 (or before if this thread continues to stagger on :-) ).
it will, otherwise I forget all about it, so keep reminding me. ;7)
> Ian
>
> [Who's at home on final leg pre-Xmas support duty, and really has nothing
> better to do until midday.]
I do, but I am just to damned lazy, the spoils of vacation time.