Watcher and the Coucil. Do they make any sense?
Charles
Say your the watcher council and you have Buffy (never seen the film so do
not
know why she came to Sunnydale), how do you know where she is going to go.
Do they have loads and loads of watcher positioned throughout the world?
One
wonders how many they do have, can't be that many as you have one per
slayer
and before Buffy there was only one slayer. And what is the point of the
watcher council being in England. All the slayer that have been on Buffy
have not being English and would you not what to just set up the
headquarters
where the slayer is. What does the council do. During the first 3 seasons
of buffy I cannot remember once when they actually helped her. It seems to
me that the Council sit there in England and twiddle there thumbs until the
slayer dies and you blame the watcher. Did they have some force in sending
Buffy to Giles or did she just come to that area by accident. If she had
moved to another area would Giles
have been her watcher or would another watcher take over(what about if
Buffy was now going to move to another area, would Giles move too?). Also
the need for a slayer
has to be questioned as we have seen with buffy's friends and the
initiative
that people who are not slayers can kill them so is it really needed that
only a slayer can kill them and why do they just train loads of people up
to
kill them.
It seems to me that the council and the watcher do not really make sense in
terms of actually fighting vamps and
that they have never really been explained.
If anyone who has seen the movie knows that some of it has been explained
please tell me or does anyone else have a theory what the council actually
does.
Charles
@nkhoŽ
> Say your the watcher council and you have Buffy (never seen the film so do
> not
> know why she came to Sunnydale), how do you know where she is going to
go.
They don`t.
> Do they have loads and loads of watcher positioned throughout the world?
probably
> One
> wonders how many they do have, can't be that many as you have one per
> slayer
yes one watcher per slayer, but watchers where also in highlander(the series
that is)
Maybe they are a group of people that "watch" strange phenomena, even fight
it,
try to understand it, maybe the early version of MIB(the movie) :o)
The strange thing is, that buffy was still a slayer, she died, the "force"
went out
and occupied a new slayerbody, and when buffy was resurrected, she also
was a slayer. Maybe the other "slayers" are imposters possesed by demons to
throw the council of track.:o)
> and before Buffy there was only one slayer.
Well many more I guess, but I believe one at a time.
> And what is the point of the
> watcher council being in England.
Jeaulous? :o)
Hmm maybe because of the universities there?
Maybe "the council" was before that even in othr countries etc etc etc.
> All the slayer that have been on Buffy
> have not being English and would you not what to just set up the
> headquarters
They probably also examine other phenomena, I think that it is not just
a slayer kindergarten.
> where the slayer is.
That would mean shifting the whole organisation everytime a slayer dies.
besides, they waych possible slayers all over the world, setting up
branches would make perfect sense.
> What does the council do.
counceling? :o)
> During the first 3 seasons
> of buffy I cannot remember once when they actually helped her.
thats why they are called; watchers. Otherwise they would have been called;
helpers. :o)
> It seems to
> me that the Council sit there in England and twiddle there thumbs until
the
> slayer dies and you blame the watcher.
If there only thing is slayer watching.
> Did they have some force in sending
> Buffy to Giles or did she just come to that area by accident.\
Probably his brancharea. It was a hellmouth you know, so a lot to watch.
> If she had
> moved to another area would Giles
> have been her watcher or would another watcher take over
They assigned another watcher to her, so probably she would have had
a new watcher, who was familiar with that area and the foe`s living there.
Strange is, that I can`t remember ever seeing a watcher on angel.
>(what about if
> Buffy was now going to move to another area, would Giles move too?).
If he choose to, but not by the council order I guess.
> Also
> the need for a slayer
> has to be questioned as we have seen with buffy's friends and the
> initiative
hmmm could get spoily here , so I say nothing.
> that people who are not slayers can kill them so is it really needed that
> only a slayer can kill them and why do they just train loads of people up
> to
> kill them.
The slayer is just a powerfull tool.One would be crazy not to use it.
> It seems to me that the council and the watcher do not really make sense
in
> terms of actually fighting vamps and
> that they have never really been explained.
Thats because it is probably a secret organisation.
(not a organisation with a secret, well, that could be true too. :o) )
A perfect reason to start a spin off series about giles his younger years
and his experimenting with the occult and his innitiation into the watchers
group, or are watchers also pre-choosen? :o)
> If anyone who has seen the movie knows that some of it has been explained
> please tell me or does anyone else have a theory what the council
actually
> does.
Nope, the movie about buffy was in one word, lame.
Can`t remember them elaborating anything about the council.
> Charles
not the prince? :o)
O+-3~
)O+->
Mattia Valente
>
> Say your the watcher council and you have Buffy (never seen the film so do
> not know why she came to Sunnydale),
We're told that in S1. She moved away from Emery High in LA after some
incidents with Burning down gym halls with vampires in them. Stuff like
that. I think she got expelled, but I can't remember the exact details.
> how do you know where she is going to go.
> Do they have loads and loads of watcher positioned throughout the world?
> One wonders how many they do have, can't be that many as you have one per slayer
> and before Buffy there was only one slayer. And what is the point of the
> watcher council being in England. All the slayer that have been on Buffy
> have not being English and would you not what to just set up the
> headquarters
Why not in England? They're an ancient organization, strictly
hierarchical and all that, started out in England and will always remain
in Engeland. No reason to change. The slayer could appear anywhere,
really. Nothing guarantees that the next Slayer will be US born (only 2
of them were, Kendra wasn't.) and with the low life expectancy Slayers
seem to have, moving around isn't useful. Sending out a Watcher to
oversee her training and progress is their method of doing things.
> where the slayer is. What does the council do. During the first 3 seasons
> of buffy I cannot remember once when they actually helped her. It seems to
> me that the Council sit there in England and twiddle there thumbs until the
> slayer dies and you blame the watcher. Did they have some force in sending
> Buffy to Giles or did she just come to that area by accident. If she had
> moved to another area would Giles
> have been her watcher or would another watcher take over(what about if
> Buffy was now going to move to another area, would Giles move too?). Also
> the need for a slayer
Giles has helped on many occasions, with research, information, and
actaul fighitng. Giles was sent to Sunnydale for a reason (Buffy had
already been identified as a slayer pre-series, although the movie and
the series diverge on this and a good number of other issues..the movie
has something about a mole that all slayers have, but Buffy had it
removed, so no finding for a longer time.)
We do know that there are a number of other watchers around. Hence the
council. There also seems to be a way to locate girls who have the
potential to become slayers (when the old ones die..) as we say with
Kendra, who has been training since birth. Why exactly Buffy wasn't
fouind earlier is open for speculation, really. Or why Faith wasn't
located, for that matter.
The WC remains a very strange and enigmatic organization with far
reaching influence, a good deal of knowledge where all things demonic
are concerned, but we really don't know enough about them to say much of
anything with certainty.
S4 spoilers (all of it), non BBC aired..
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> has to be questioned as we have seen with buffy's friends and the
> initiative
> that people who are not slayers can kill them so is it really needed that
> only a slayer can kill them and why do they just train loads of people up
> to kill them.
This is a simple one: its a question of skill and powers. And just look
at what happened to the Initiative. A slayer is stronger than most Vamps
(Stronger than Angel, for example. Said so himself.), has the ability to
heal quickly, move faster, fight better, etc. etc. At one point in S4 we
hear how Riley's all proud to have bagged 17 hostiles (or something like
that.), which is peanuts compared to what Buffy's capable of (I don't
think she could even tell you how many she's killed. It's a routine kind
of thing.)
> It seems to me that the council and the watcher do not really make sense in
> terms of actually fighting vamps and that they have never really been explained.
In terms of fighting evil, we don't know enough about the Slayer or the
Council to say much of anything. The origin of the Slayer's powers, the
reason for her existance, the reason for the Council's presence, none of
this has been dealt with deeply yet. In restelss, the S4 finale, we had
a taste of where the Slayer power comes from, and some hints at what it
means to be a watcher, although I expect these themes to be further
explored in S5. It's a vast untapped resrvoir, IMHO
> If anyone who has seen the movie knows that some of it has been explained
> please tell me or does anyone else have a theory what the council actually
> does.
Seen the movie, doesn't help much at all. What the council actually
does; fight evil in other ways as well, I should think. And in not so
moral ways at times. For example, they have a specialized (if pathetic)
team of assasins at their beck and call, so I would assume that their
activities go beyond finding, training and aiding Slayers. They are
called Watchers, after all, and aren't supposed to interfere too much
(Giles went too far in their eyes, which got him fired.) as I understand
it. In short, though, I don't know, I'm just guessing wildly ;-)
Mattia
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Charles
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>
> > Say your the watcher council and you have Buffy (never seen the film so
do
> > not
> > know why she came to Sunnydale), how do you know where she is going to
> go.
>
> They don`t.
>
> > Do they have loads and loads of watcher positioned throughout the
world?
>
> probably
>
> > One
> > wonders how many they do have, can't be that many as you have one per
> > slayer
>
> yes one watcher per slayer, but watchers where also in highlander(the
series
> that is)
> Maybe they are a group of people that "watch" strange phenomena, even
fight
> it,
> try to understand it, maybe the early version of MIB(the movie) :o)
> The strange thing is, that buffy was still a slayer, she died, the "force"
> went out
> and occupied a new slayerbody, and when buffy was resurrected, she also
> was a slayer. Maybe the other "slayers" are imposters possesed by demons
to
> throw the council of track.:o)
>
> > and before Buffy there was only one slayer.
>
> Well many more I guess, but I believe one at a time.
>
> > And what is the point of the
> > watcher council being in England.
>
> Jeaulous? :o)
I live in England i just think that a slayer should have more help than one
watcher so it would make more sense to move the coucil to wherever the
slayer is.
Charles
> Hmm maybe because of the universities there?
> Maybe "the council" was before that even in othr countries etc etc etc.
>
> > All the slayer that have been on Buffy
> > have not being English and would you not what to just set up the
> > headquarters
>
> They probably also examine other phenomena, I think that it is not just
> a slayer kindergarten.
>
> > where the slayer is.
>
> That would mean shifting the whole organisation everytime a slayer dies.
> besides, they waych possible slayers all over the world, setting up
> branches would make perfect sense.
>
> > What does the council do.
>
> counceling? :o)
>
> > During the first 3 seasons
> > of buffy I cannot remember once when they actually helped her.
>
> thats why they are called; watchers. Otherwise they would have been
called;
> helpers. :o)
>
> > It seems to
> > me that the Council sit there in England and twiddle there thumbs until
> the
> > slayer dies and you blame the watcher.
>
> If there only thing is slayer watching.
>
> > Did they have some force in sending
> > Buffy to Giles or did she just come to that area by accident.\
>
> Probably his brancharea. It was a hellmouth you know, so a lot to watch.
>
> > If she had
> > moved to another area would Giles
> > have been her watcher or would another watcher take over
>
> They assigned another watcher to her, so probably she would have had
> a new watcher, who was familiar with that area and the foe`s living there.
> Strange is, that I can`t remember ever seeing a watcher on angel.
>
> >(what about if
> > Buffy was now going to move to another area, would Giles move too?).
>
> If he choose to, but not by the council order I guess.
>
> > Also
> > the need for a slayer
> > has to be questioned as we have seen with buffy's friends and the
> > initiative
>
> hmmm could get spoily here , so I say nothing.
>
>
> > that people who are not slayers can kill them so is it really needed
that
> > only a slayer can kill them and why do they just train loads of people
up
> > to
> > kill them.
>
> The slayer is just a powerfull tool.One would be crazy not to use it.
>
> > It seems to me that the council and the watcher do not really make
sense
> in
> > terms of actually fighting vamps and
> > that they have never really been explained.
>
> Thats because it is probably a secret organisation.
> (not a organisation with a secret, well, that could be true too. :o) )
> A perfect reason to start a spin off series about giles his younger years
> and his experimenting with the occult and his innitiation into the
watchers
> group, or are watchers also pre-choosen? :o)
>
> > If anyone who has seen the movie knows that some of it has been
explained
> > please tell me or does anyone else have a theory what the council
> actually
> > does.
>
Daniel Faulkner
> and before Buffy there was only one slayer. And what is the point of the
> watcher council being in England. All the slayer that have been on Buffy
> have not being English and would you not what to just set up the
> headquarters
Maybe the council (I would imagine) were set up a long time ago. England was to
biggest power and country since 1700 ish and 1900 ish if my memory is correct so
England would be most suited for such a thing. Then why move it later?
Dan