Buffy Season 6 - expectations (contains spoilers for S5, I guess)
Saskia®
and before I finish my thoughts I thought I'd ask you guys.
Assuming you have not read any spoilers (if you have, shame on you and don't
tell that you have!), what are your expectations, hopes and fears for Buffy
Season6. Plotwise, characterwise, anything you like.
I was thinking that it could be interesting to see one of 'the gang' turn to
the evil side and become the bad guy/girl. I have heard people talking about
Willow and her magic for instance. Although that would be awesome, to see
Willow turn bad, I would miss her too much on the good side. But someone
like Tara or Dawn or even Xander, now that would be cool.
Spike has to be de-chipped, become bad, scare the hell out of everyone of us
and then die a heroic and courageous death. Not too soon tho!! Last episode
would be soon enough ;-))
Because I'm not really looking forward to a 'season baddy' coming out of the
blue like the Master or Glory and sort of doing a repeat of Seasons 1-5.
Things need to change otherwise I'm a bit worried whether they'll be able to
keep me interested for another season. They probably are, but still...
Should Buffy get a new boyfriend? I can't make up my mind about that,
because what would work? A sweet guy like Riley gets spit out by the
audience. Angel is too far, can't go back there anymore. Spike is just *not*
an option and I really mean NOT. I still think, if she really has to have a
guy, a Riley-type guy would work best.
And Amy. I want Amy back.
--
Saskia
Andrea!
Saskia® said:
> I was just sitting and thinking about what I would want for Buffy's Season
6
> and before I finish my thoughts I thought I'd ask you guys.
>
> Assuming you have not read any spoilers (if you have, shame on you and
don't
> tell that you have!), what are your expectations, hopes and fears for
Buffy
> Season6. Plotwise, characterwise, anything you like.
Cool. :)
>
> I was thinking that it could be interesting to see one of 'the gang' turn
to
> the evil side and become the bad guy/girl. I have heard people talking
about
> Willow and her magic for instance. Although that would be awesome, to see
> Willow turn bad, I would miss her too much on the good side. But someone
> like Tara or Dawn or even Xander, now that would be cool.
Mwah. Um. Maybe if Giles returned and suddenly vamped, that would be quite a
surprise. :) Nice drama if they had to kill him, and looking for the Really
Bad Guy who did this to Giles coud be fun.
>
> Spike has to be de-chipped, become bad, scare the hell out of everyone of
us
> and then die a heroic and courageous death. Not too soon tho!! Last
episode
> would be soon enough ;-))
Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
>
> Because I'm not really looking forward to a 'season baddy' coming out of
the
> blue like the Master or Glory and sort of doing a repeat of Seasons 1-5.
> Things need to change otherwise I'm a bit worried whether they'll be able
to
> keep me interested for another season. They probably are, but still...
I want a season baddy, but I want it to be different. Unpredictable,
original and scary. I can't really think of anything, but that's what we've
got Joss for. :)
>
> Should Buffy get a new boyfriend? I can't make up my mind about that,
> because what would work? A sweet guy like Riley gets spit out by the
> audience. Angel is too far, can't go back there anymore. Spike is just
*not*
> an option and I really mean NOT.
Not? I'd say yes. But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
I still think, if she really has to have a
> guy, a Riley-type guy would work best.
And I thought you were my friend!! Riley-type guys are evil. Riley-type guys
make die hard fans ignore enture seasons! There's only one type of guy
that's worse than a Riley-type-o-guy, and that's a Brannon-Braga-type-o-guy.
(Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
But seriously, with Giles leaving and Angel long gone and without Riley
(YAY! YAY!) we need a new guy to join the Scooby gang. I vote for Tom Paris,
but then again, I'm biased. :))
Andrea!
Mattia Valente
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SPOILERS Buffy season 5, some for S6 as well
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"Andrea!" wrote:
> SaskiaŽ said:
> > I was just sitting and thinking about what I would want for Buffy's Season
> > 6 and before I finish my thoughts I thought I'd ask you guys.
> >
> > Assuming you have not read any spoilers (if you have, shame on you and
> > don't tell that you have!), what are your expectations, hopes and fears
> > for Buffy Season6. Plotwise, characterwise, anything you like.
>
> Cool. :)
Woooha!! Speculation!!
> > I was thinking that it could be interesting to see one of 'the gang' turn
> > to the evil side and become the bad guy/girl. I have heard people talking
> > about Willow and her magic for instance. Although that would be awesome,
> > to see Willow turn bad, I would miss her too much on the good side. But
> > someone like Tara or Dawn or even Xander, now that would be cool.
>
> Mwah. Um. Maybe if Giles returned and suddenly vamped, that would be quite a
> surprise. :) Nice drama if they had to kill him, and looking for the Really
> Bad Guy who did this to Giles coud be fun.
Erm...right. Andrea, you're weird. Plus, like, I doubt ASH would
consider becoming a full fledged reg again. And he's got his spinoff
'Ripper' coming up too, so....
As for the Willow turns evil angle? We've seen some interesting things
now, and there are hints going there, but a simple 'she goes evil' thing
wouldn't be that interesting, I don't think. Plus, waaah, it's Willow!
Waaaaah!!!
Ahum. Sorry. No, seriously though, perhaps a move towards grayness, now
that she's Giles-less, for one thing, and she's fiddling with big scary
powers. And doesn't seem to feel it's wrong to do so. That's dangerous.
> > Spike has to be de-chipped, become bad, scare the hell out of everyone of
> > us and then die a heroic and courageous death. Not too soon tho!! Last
> > episode would be soon enough ;-))
>
> Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
:-o
I'm....shocked. Dechipped, become bad, and get staked, totally
anticlimactically, without much ado about it. Perhaps a party after the
fact. A "We Finally Dusted Spike" Party <eg>
But that's so not going to happen. What I'm worried about is this
rumored stuff about Buffy/Spike getting together. Of course, they've
been saying this since season 4 and earlier, so..I'm guessing (and
hoping) it doesn't happen, and that Spike keeps that edge of badness.
It's part of what makes him him.
> > Because I'm not really looking forward to a 'season baddy' coming out of
> > the blue like the Master or Glory and sort of doing a repeat of Seasons
> > 1-5. Things need to change otherwise I'm a bit worried whether they'll
> > be able to keep me interested for another season. They probably are,
> > but still...
>
> I want a season baddy, but I want it to be different. Unpredictable,
> original and scary. I can't really think of anything, but that's what we've
> got Joss for. :)
Yep. And Marti. That's what's got me a little on edge at the moment...I
trust, say, Tim Minear quite completely with Angel, and Joss, more or
less, but Marti I'm still waiting to be convinced about. Her commentary
to WML wasn't too trust inspiring, with lapses like 'Did Kendra die at
the end of S2? Or was it in S3? No, must've been S2..' OK, granted, she
was a fresh new writer at the time, and she's been producing for a good
long while now, but still...
I'm not sure what I want. Angel's doing the whole 'no big bad' thing,
and it works. W&H are a big bad, but not the kind you can get rid of.
I'm just going to wait. Because I don't know what I want out of S6,
besides good television.
> > Should Buffy get a new boyfriend? I can't make up my mind about that,
> > because what would work? A sweet guy like Riley gets spit out by the
> > audience. Angel is too far, can't go back there anymore. Spike is just
> > *not* an option and I really mean NOT.
Yes. Let's emphasis the NOT!!!!
> Not? I'd say yes.
Noooooooo!!!!
> But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
> become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
> attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
> and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
Oh. Dear.
Soap Opera, anyone? That would be a little too much for me, I fear. As
things stand now, Dawn had (has? dunno) a crush on our dear little
blondie bear, but Spike? He's hung up on Buffy. Post 'Bargaining',
though, who knows? All remains to be seen.
One character I'm curious about is Dawn, though. What's she going to do?
What's she there for? Is she still a Key? Or mereley a human, now?
What's the situation there? They've gotta do something with her, I
think, because, notwithstanding acting chops, she has no role left.
Might've been more fun if she died in 'The Gift' as well...
Furthermore: Xander. Anya. Marriage. Badness. I'm *not* looking forward
to this right no. So not looking forward to that. I don't mind them
making me change my mind, but for now, no. One particular line Xander
had in 'Bargaining', "I've got to get me some more male friends" did
strike a chord with me. This is a truism, in a sense. We've got a very
male-light cast right now (not necessarily a problem.) Giles left, made
it lighter. This said, I fear the Evil of Cast Bloat. We don't need more
regs. We've got more than enough as it is..
> > I still think, if she really has to have a
> > guy, a Riley-type guy would work best.
>
> And I thought you were my friend!! Riley-type guys are evil. Riley-type guys
> make die hard fans ignore enture seasons! There's only one type of guy
> that's worse than a Riley-type-o-guy, and that's a Brannon-Braga-type-o-guy.
>
> (Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
Erm...riiiiight...
> But seriously, with Giles leaving and Angel long gone and without Riley
> (YAY! YAY!) we need a new guy to join the Scooby gang. I vote for Tom Paris,
> but then again, I'm biased. :))
:-/
See above comments. New characters are oft hard to sell. And I'm not
sure now is a good time for Buffy to be getting into serious
relationships, to be perfectly honest..
> > And Amy. I want Amy back.
Yes! Please! Although I'm not sure how to handle this. She's gonna need
some serious help. Do we want a whole load of eps dealing with Amy? I
don't, not really...
Mattia
--
"My beagle went swimming today and now he's typing on my keyboard with
his ample nose. Oh, and he's the bestest handsomeest beagle EVER."
--Tim Minear, Salon.com, May 2001
Sierk
must be some kind of sad record.
Sierk
Sierk
> I was just sitting and thinking about what I would want for Buffy's Season 6
> and before I finish my thoughts I thought I'd ask you guys.
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I'm rather worried what the writers will do about Willow. She's grown
really strong in S5 and if she keeps her powers, she'll be able to use
them to vanquish every vampire in sight. That might not be a bad thing
now that Buffy is gone, but somehow I don't think they'll rename the show
to "Willow, the Demon Hunter" or something like that.
They could also take away most of her powers, but that seems like a cheap
way out. (Remember Kes in Voyager? that one ep when she got very powerful
and lost all those powers again at the end of the ep? BAD writing).
I really hope Xander and Anya are going to marry, strangely enough.
I wonder where Dawn is going to live. Maybe Giles get's to be a parent
after all.
I hope Spike will grow Bitter and Dark, rip that chip out of his head and
makes everybody's live a living hell for an ep or three.
But what about Buffy? She's rather dead and Dawn doesn't seem to have a
lot of luck resurrecting family members. And if they bring her back, why
not Joyce? Or Jenny?
On the other hand, I'm really having a hard time imagining the show
without her.
Sierk
Saskia
> spoilers in here, so...
Eh? There are no S5 or S6 spoilers in my post! Well okay maybe one or two
names, that's all...
I really wanted to keep this thread spoilerfree for both seasons so that
everyone could join in... Oh well. They can still respond to my original
post.
> SPOILERS Buffy season 5, some for S6 as well
I was almost inclined not to read any further, because you say spoilers for
S6. You could have been a bit more accurate and not make me nervous ;-) The
spoilers in your and Andrea's posts are for Episode One of Season 6.
> > Saskia® said:
> > > I was thinking that it could be interesting to see one of 'the gang' turn
> > > to the evil side and become the bad guy/girl. I have heard people talking
> > > about Willow and her magic for instance. Although that would be awesome,
> > > to see Willow turn bad, I would miss her too much on the good side. But
> > > someone like Tara or Dawn or even Xander, now that would be cool.
> >
> > Mwah. Um. Maybe if Giles returned and suddenly vamped, that would be quite a
> > surprise. :) Nice drama if they had to kill him, and looking for the Really
> > Bad Guy who did this to Giles coud be fun.
Oh no!!! No way would I find that even remotely interesting. Not to mention
unbelievable. In fact, the thought actually disgusts me... No really, I feel
violant physical reactions. Not to VampGiles but the *idea*.
<deep breath> Ok, I'm okay now. No, don't need the oxygen.
> Erm...right. Andrea, you're weird. Plus, like, I doubt ASH would
> consider becoming a full fledged reg again. And he's got his spinoff
> 'Ripper' coming up too, so....
Hey but we are talking about what *we* want or hope or fear. Not the actors,
or the networks, or other people.
> Ahum. Sorry. No, seriously though, perhaps a move towards grayness, now
> that she's Giles-less, for one thing, and she's fiddling with big scary
> powers. And doesn't seem to feel it's wrong to do so. That's dangerous.
Something like that. I wouldn't want to be the writer who'd have to come up
with good and convincing stories like that.
> > > Spike has to be de-chipped, become bad, scare the hell out of everyone of
> > > us and then die a heroic and courageous death. Not too soon tho!! Last
> > > episode would be soon enough ;-))
> >
> > Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
*donk*
<faints>
Gimme that oxygen!! NOW!!!
> I'm....shocked. Dechipped, become bad, and get staked, totally
> anticlimactically, without much ado about it. Perhaps a party after the
> fact. A "We Finally Dusted Spike" Party <eg>
Oooooohhhhh.... that sounds terrible! No, I like my idea best :)
> But that's so not going to happen. What I'm worried about is this
> rumored stuff about Buffy/Spike getting together. Of course, they've
> been saying this since season 4 and earlier, so..I'm guessing (and
> hoping) it doesn't happen, and that Spike keeps that edge of badness.
> It's part of what makes him him.
Argh rumors! Stay away from them and definitely don't tell me about them.
Can't stand them.
> > > Should Buffy get a new boyfriend? I can't make up my mind about that,
> > > because what would work? A sweet guy like Riley gets spit out by the
> > > audience. Angel is too far, can't go back there anymore. Spike is just
> > > *not* an option and I really mean NOT.
>
> Yes. Let's emphasis the NOT!!!!
>
> > Not? I'd say yes.
>
> Noooooooo!!!!
Aaaaaarrrggghhh. She said it again!!
> > But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
> > become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
> > attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
> > and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
>
> Oh. Dear.
>
> Soap Opera, anyone?
Indeed. That's Bold & The Beautiful stuff. The show has almost become too
soapy and something like this would just kill any love I have for it.
> That would be a little too much for me, I fear. As
> things stand now, Dawn had (has? dunno) a crush on our dear little
> blondie bear,
Er... who???
> One character I'm curious about is Dawn, though. What's she going to do?
> What's she there for? Is she still a Key? Or mereley a human, now?
> What's the situation there? They've gotta do something with her, I
> think, because, notwithstanding acting chops, she has no role left.
> Might've been more fun if she died in 'The Gift' as well...
Yup. I'm so afraid she is just going to be the annoying little sister for a
whole season... and she is not real! Don't get me wrong, I don't hate her
but she's not supposed to be here so I don't want her anymore. Somebody kill
her! Spike!!! Oh yes, now *that* would be drama! Cool....
> Furthermore: Xander. Anya. Marriage. Badness. I'm *not* looking forward
> to this right no. So not looking forward to that. I don't mind them
> making me change my mind, but for now, no. One particular line Xander
> had in 'Bargaining', "I've got to get me some more male friends" did
> strike a chord with me. This is a truism, in a sense. We've got a very
> male-light cast right now (not necessarily a problem.) Giles left, made
> it lighter. This said, I fear the Evil of Cast Bloat. We don't need more
> regs. We've got more than enough as it is..
True. Except if they get rid of Dawn. But there could still be room for a
new Scooby. A tough heroic kinda guy, to make up for Spike going BAD (yes,
if I say it often enough it might happen ;-) )
> > > I still think, if she really has to have a
> > > guy, a Riley-type guy would work best.
> >
> > And I thought you were my friend!! Riley-type guys are evil. Riley-type guys
> > make die hard fans ignore enture seasons! There's only one type of guy
> > that's worse than a Riley-type-o-guy, and that's a Brannon-Braga-type-o-guy.
I couldn't disagree more. About Riley that is. But we've been there :)
> > (Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
Which is a good thing.
> > But seriously, with Giles leaving and Angel long gone and without Riley
> > (YAY! YAY!) we need a new guy to join the Scooby gang. I vote for Tom Paris,
> > but then again, I'm biased. :))
Ohhhh YEAH! That would be neat!
> > > And Amy. I want Amy back.
>
> Yes! Please! Although I'm not sure how to handle this. She's gonna need
> some serious help. Do we want a whole load of eps dealing with Amy? I
> don't, not really...
No just one ep. And then she can move to Texas or something. I just want it
resolved. It bugs me.
--
Saskia
"I think they are getting ready to mate....
do you think they'd let me watch?"
(Phlox, Enterprise)
Saskia
> spoilers in here, so...
Eh? There are no S5 or S6 spoilers in my post! Well okay maybe one or two
names, that's all...
I really wanted to keep this thread spoilerfree for both seasons so that
everyone could join in... Oh well. They can still respond to my original
post.
> SPOILERS Buffy season 5, some for S6 as well
I was almost inclined not to read any further, because you say spoilers for
S6. You could have been a bit more accurate and not make me nervous ;-) The
spoilers in your and Andrea's posts are for Episode One of Season 6.
> .
> > Saskia® said:
> > > I was thinking that it could be interesting to see one of 'the gang' turn
> > > to the evil side and become the bad guy/girl. I have heard people talking
> > > about Willow and her magic for instance. Although that would be awesome,
> > > to see Willow turn bad, I would miss her too much on the good side. But
> > > someone like Tara or Dawn or even Xander, now that would be cool.
> >
> > Mwah. Um. Maybe if Giles returned and suddenly vamped, that would be quite a
> > surprise. :) Nice drama if they had to kill him, and looking for the Really
> > Bad Guy who did this to Giles coud be fun.
Oh no!!! No way would I find that even remotely interesting. Not to mention
unbelievable. In fact, the thought actually disgusts me... No really, I feel
violant physical reactions. Not to VampGiles but the *idea*.
<deep breath> Ok, I'm okay now. No, don't need the oxygen.
> Erm...right. Andrea, you're weird. Plus, like, I doubt ASH would
> consider becoming a full fledged reg again. And he's got his spinoff
> 'Ripper' coming up too, so....
Hey but we are talking about what *we* want or hope or fear. Not the actors,
or the networks, or other people.
> Ahum. Sorry. No, seriously though, perhaps a move towards grayness, now
> that she's Giles-less, for one thing, and she's fiddling with big scary
> powers. And doesn't seem to feel it's wrong to do so. That's dangerous.
Something like that. I wouldn't want to be the writer who'd have to come up
with good and convincing stories like that.
> > > Spike has to be de-chipped, become bad, scare the hell out of everyone of
> > > us and then die a heroic and courageous death. Not too soon tho!! Last
> > > episode would be soon enough ;-))
> >
> > Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
*donk*
<faints>
Gimme that oxygen!! NOW!!!
> I'm....shocked. Dechipped, become bad, and get staked, totally
> anticlimactically, without much ado about it. Perhaps a party after the
> fact. A "We Finally Dusted Spike" Party <eg>
Oooooohhhhh.... that sounds terrible! No, I like my idea best :)
> But that's so not going to happen. What I'm worried about is this
> rumored stuff about Buffy/Spike getting together. Of course, they've
> been saying this since season 4 and earlier, so..I'm guessing (and
> hoping) it doesn't happen, and that Spike keeps that edge of badness.
> It's part of what makes him him.
Argh rumors! Stay away from them and definitely don't tell me about them.
Can't stand them.
> > > Should Buffy get a new boyfriend? I can't make up my mind about that,
> > > because what would work? A sweet guy like Riley gets spit out by the
> > > audience. Angel is too far, can't go back there anymore. Spike is just
> > > *not* an option and I really mean NOT.
>
> Yes. Let's emphasis the NOT!!!!
>
> > Not? I'd say yes.
>
> Noooooooo!!!!
Aaaaaarrrggghhh. She said it again!!
> > But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
> > become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
> > attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
> > and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
>
> Oh. Dear.
>
> Soap Opera, anyone?
Indeed. That's Bold & The Beautiful stuff. The show has almost become too
soapy and something like this would just kill any love I have for it.
> That would be a little too much for me, I fear. As
> things stand now, Dawn had (has? dunno) a crush on our dear little
> blondie bear,
Er... who???
> One character I'm curious about is Dawn, though. What's she going to do?
> What's she there for? Is she still a Key? Or mereley a human, now?
> What's the situation there? They've gotta do something with her, I
> think, because, notwithstanding acting chops, she has no role left.
> Might've been more fun if she died in 'The Gift' as well...
Yup. I'm so afraid she is just going to be the annoying little sister for a
whole season... and she is not real! Don't get me wrong, I don't hate her
but she's not supposed to be here so I don't want her anymore. Somebody kill
her! Spike!!! Oh yes, now *that* would be drama! Cool....
> Furthermore: Xander. Anya. Marriage. Badness. I'm *not* looking forward
> to this right no. So not looking forward to that. I don't mind them
> making me change my mind, but for now, no. One particular line Xander
> had in 'Bargaining', "I've got to get me some more male friends" did
> strike a chord with me. This is a truism, in a sense. We've got a very
> male-light cast right now (not necessarily a problem.) Giles left, made
> it lighter. This said, I fear the Evil of Cast Bloat. We don't need more
> regs. We've got more than enough as it is..
True. Except if they get rid of Dawn. But there could still be room for a
new Scooby. A tough heroic kinda guy, to make up for Spike going BAD (yes,
if I say it often enough it might happen ;-) )
> > > I still think, if she really has to have a
> > > guy, a Riley-type guy would work best.
> >
> > And I thought you were my friend!! Riley-type guys are evil. Riley-type guys
> > make die hard fans ignore enture seasons! There's only one type of guy
> > that's worse than a Riley-type-o-guy, and that's a Brannon-Braga-type-o-guy.
I couldn't disagree more. About Riley that is. But we've been there :)
> > (Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
Which is a good thing.
> > But seriously, with Giles leaving and Angel long gone and without Riley
> > (YAY! YAY!) we need a new guy to join the Scooby gang. I vote for Tom Paris,
> > but then again, I'm biased. :))
Ohhhh YEAH! That would be neat!
> > > And Amy. I want Amy back.
>
> Yes! Please! Although I'm not sure how to handle this. She's gonna need
> some serious help. Do we want a whole load of eps dealing with Amy? I
> don't, not really...
No just one ep. And then she can move to Texas or something. I just want it
Mattia Valente
>
> Wow, S6 has hardly even started in the USA and I'm already spoiled. This
> must be some kind of sad record.
Oops...
Mattia
I knew there should be spoiler space...
Mattia Valente
>
> Mattia Valente said :
> > Erm...ladies? A little space, please? There are already some minor
> > spoilers in here, so...
>
> Eh? There are no S5 or S6 spoilers in my post! Well okay maybe one or two
> names, that's all...
No, mostly Andrea.
> I really wanted to keep this thread spoilerfree for both seasons so that
> everyone could join in... Oh well. They can still respond to my original
> post.
It's kinda hard to do the 'what do you expect from S6' thing without
spoiling for S5. IMO. And not safe, anyway. Hence, the space.
> > SPOILERS Buffy season 5, some for S6 as well
>
> I was almost inclined not to read any further, because you say spoilers for
> S6. You could have been a bit more accurate and not make me nervous ;-) The
> spoilers in your and Andrea's posts are for Episode One of Season 6.
Yes, sorry. I don't know any spoilers for S6, rest assured..
Brrr....
> <deep breath> Ok, I'm okay now. No, don't need the oxygen.
Righto.
> > Erm...right. Andrea, you're weird. Plus, like, I doubt ASH would
> > consider becoming a full fledged reg again. And he's got his spinoff
> > 'Ripper' coming up too, so....
>
> Hey but we are talking about what *we* want or hope or fear. Not the actors,
> or the networks, or other people.
Oh. Sorry to let reality intrude. In that case, Giles really assuming
his role of watcher again, properly, and us seeing some true
investigation of the themes that were hinted at in BvsD but which we
never really got.
> > Ahum. Sorry. No, seriously though, perhaps a move towards grayness, now
> > that she's Giles-less, for one thing, and she's fiddling with big scary
> > powers. And doesn't seem to feel it's wrong to do so. That's dangerous.
>
> Something like that. I wouldn't want to be the writer who'd have to come up
> with good and convincing stories like that.
Let's get Tim Minear over on Buffy, shall we? Just for those few eps...
<g>
> > > > Spike has to be de-chipped, become bad, scare the hell out of everyone of
> > > > us and then die a heroic and courageous death. Not too soon tho!! Last
> > > > episode would be soon enough ;-))
> > >
> > > Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
>
> *donk*
>
> <faints>
>
> Gimme that oxygen!! NOW!!!
<hands Sas the oxygen>
> > I'm....shocked. Dechipped, become bad, and get staked, totally
> > anticlimactically, without much ado about it. Perhaps a party after the
> > fact. A "We Finally Dusted Spike" Party <eg>
>
> Oooooohhhhh.... that sounds terrible! No, I like my idea best :)
Nah. I like my idea.
<veg>
> > But that's so not going to happen. What I'm worried about is this
> > rumored stuff about Buffy/Spike getting together. Of course, they've
> > been saying this since season 4 and earlier, so..I'm guessing (and
> > hoping) it doesn't happen, and that Spike keeps that edge of badness.
> > It's part of what makes him him.
>
> Argh rumors! Stay away from them and definitely don't tell me about them.
> Can't stand them.
Well, 'rumor'...perhaps I'm confusing 'insane shipper/Spike
Redemptionist Crazy Talk' with rumors. Heard to many off hand comments
like 'gee, I wish Spike and Buffy would really get together' at
Nocturnal....crazy people...
> > > > Should Buffy get a new boyfriend? I can't make up my mind about that,
> > > > because what would work? A sweet guy like Riley gets spit out by the
> > > > audience. Angel is too far, can't go back there anymore. Spike is just
> > > > *not* an option and I really mean NOT.
> >
> > Yes. Let's emphasis the NOT!!!!
> >
> > > Not? I'd say yes.
> >
> > Noooooooo!!!!
>
> Aaaaaarrrggghhh. She said it again!!
Someone needs to check Andrea's meds..
> > > But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
> > > become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
> > > attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
> > > and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
> >
> > Oh. Dear.
> >
> > Soap Opera, anyone?
>
> Indeed. That's Bold & The Beautiful stuff. The show has almost become too
> soapy and something like this would just kill any love I have for it.
Riiight...Too soapy already? Well, maybe the marriage proposal thing,
but mostly? Nah. I've seen far, far, far worse on certain trek shows,
for example..
> > That would be a little too much for me, I fear. As
> > things stand now, Dawn had (has? dunno) a crush on our dear little
> > blondie bear,
>
> Er... who???
Dawn. Spike. Crush. In, IIRC, 'Crush'. Remember?
> > One character I'm curious about is Dawn, though. What's she going to do?
> > What's she there for? Is she still a Key? Or mereley a human, now?
> > What's the situation there? They've gotta do something with her, I
> > think, because, notwithstanding acting chops, she has no role left.
> > Might've been more fun if she died in 'The Gift' as well...
>
> Yup. I'm so afraid she is just going to be the annoying little sister for a
> whole season... and she is not real! Don't get me wrong, I don't hate her
> but she's not supposed to be here so I don't want her anymore. Somebody kill
> her! Spike!!! Oh yes, now *that* would be drama! Cool....
Oooh....there's a thought. Involves dechipping, though. And probably
killing Spike in the end. He ain't big bad enough to face Buffy. Maybe
he'll move off to Angel.....
As for Dawn: she's real, all right. I want to know what the hell she is,
though. Confusing and strange, this is.
> > Furthermore: Xander. Anya. Marriage. Badness. I'm *not* looking forward
> > to this right no. So not looking forward to that. I don't mind them
> > making me change my mind, but for now, no. One particular line Xander
> > had in 'Bargaining', "I've got to get me some more male friends" did
> > strike a chord with me. This is a truism, in a sense. We've got a very
> > male-light cast right now (not necessarily a problem.) Giles left, made
> > it lighter. This said, I fear the Evil of Cast Bloat. We don't need more
> > regs. We've got more than enough as it is..
>
> True. Except if they get rid of Dawn. But there could still be room for a
> new Scooby. A tough heroic kinda guy, to make up for Spike going BAD (yes,
> if I say it often enough it might happen ;-) )
:-/
Dunno. Bit too much 'stealing of thunder' involved there.
> > > > I still think, if she really has to have a
> > > > guy, a Riley-type guy would work best.
> > >
> > > And I thought you were my friend!! Riley-type guys are evil. Riley-type guys
> > > make die hard fans ignore enture seasons! There's only one type of guy
> > > that's worse than a Riley-type-o-guy, and that's a Brannon-Braga-type-o-guy.
>
> I couldn't disagree more. About Riley that is. But we've been there :)
Hehehe...
> > > (Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
>
> Which is a good thing.
It is?
> > > But seriously, with Giles leaving and Angel long gone and without Riley
> > > (YAY! YAY!) we need a new guy to join the Scooby gang. I vote for Tom Paris,
> > > but then again, I'm biased. :))
>
> Ohhhh YEAH! That would be neat!
Oh NOOOOO!!!!!!!
> > > > And Amy. I want Amy back.
> >
> > Yes! Please! Although I'm not sure how to handle this. She's gonna need
> > some serious help. Do we want a whole load of eps dealing with Amy? I
> > don't, not really...
>
> No just one ep. And then she can move to Texas or something. I just want it
> resolved. It bugs me.
That could work.
Mattia Valente
Mwah...she's got powers, but they're draining. Less effective than
kicky-punchy stuff, for now, especially since she doesn't have Slayer-y
recovery powers. Still, she could be an asset.
> They could also take away most of her powers, but that seems like a cheap
> way out. (Remember Kes in Voyager? that one ep when she got very powerful
> and lost all those powers again at the end of the ep? BAD writing).
Yes. Lame.
> I really hope Xander and Anya are going to marry, strangely enough.
That's scary.
> I wonder where Dawn is going to live. Maybe Giles get's to be a parent
> after all.
Indeed... Buffy's, like, dead. What about Hank?
> I hope Spike will grow Bitter and Dark, rip that chip out of his head and
> makes everybody's live a living hell for an ep or three.
Hehehe...and then what? Mr. Big Pile of Dust?
> But what about Buffy? She's rather dead and Dawn doesn't seem to have a
> lot of luck resurrecting family members. And if they bring her back, why
> not Joyce? Or Jenny?
Joss did say it would have a reason.
> On the other hand, I'm really having a hard time imagining the show
> without her.
Indeed. You haven't been spoiled for the is she/isn't she coming back
thing, even?
Sierk
"Mattia Valente" <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> wrote in message
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> Sierk wrote:
> >
> > Wow, S6 has hardly even started in the USA and I'm already spoiled.
> > This must be some kind of sad record.
>
> Oops...
>
> Mattia
> I knew there should be spoiler space...
Ah well, it's just for the first ep if I understand correctly (and please
don't correct me if I'm wrong!). Now I'll just have to download it from
somewhere and watch it, I guess. Or wait half a year and forget all about
it :-)
Sierk
Sierk
Well, she could just float five meters above ground and bathe every vamp
she comes across in daylight or something. The locals might get jumpy,
but it's possible.
> > They could also take away most of her powers, but that seems like a cheap
> > way out. (Remember Kes in Voyager? that one ep when she got very powerful
> > and lost all those powers again at the end of the ep? BAD writing).
>
> Yes. Lame.
>
> > I really hope Xander and Anya are going to marry, strangely enough.
>
> That's scary.
I know! Usually, I'm not really in favor of marriages, but I really liked
the moment when Xander proposed to Anya and she smacked him in the face.
"Can I take that as a maybe?"
> > I wonder where Dawn is going to live. Maybe Giles get's to be a parent
> > after all.
>
> Indeed... Buffy's, like, dead. What about Hank?
They haven't been able to reach him, as far as I know.
> > I hope Spike will grow Bitter and Dark, rip that chip out of his head and
> > makes everybody's live a living hell for an ep or three.
>
> Hehehe...and then what? Mr. Big Pile of Dust?
Probably. Or Oz could come back and eat him because he was about to drain
Willow.
Nah, probably not going to happen.
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> > But what about Buffy? She's rather dead and Dawn doesn't seem to have a
> > lot of luck resurrecting family members. And if they bring her back, why
> > not Joyce? Or Jenny?
>
> Joss did say it would have a reason.
>
> > On the other hand, I'm really having a hard time imagining the show
> > without her.
>
> Indeed. You haven't been spoiled for the is she/isn't she coming back
> thing, even?
Yes, I have been, earlier this thread, but I'm trying to ignore that.
Besides, I'd have to put in spoiler space for S6 also if I gave hints
about that ;-)
Sierk
"I miss Oz. He'd get it. He wouldn't say anything, but... he'd get it."
-Xander, "I Was Made To Love You"
Mattia Valente
Erm...huh? You mean with a variation on her tinkerbell spell thing,
basically? We've yet to have proof that would work, so..
> > > I really hope Xander and Anya are going to marry, strangely enough.
> >
> > That's scary.
>
> I know! Usually, I'm not really in favor of marriages, but I really liked
> the moment when Xander proposed to Anya and she smacked him in the face.
> "Can I take that as a maybe?"
Yes. That was nice, but the whole actual wedding thing? Hmmmm :-/
> > > I wonder where Dawn is going to live. Maybe Giles get's to be a parent
> > > after all.
> >
> > Indeed... Buffy's, like, dead. What about Hank?
>
> They haven't been able to reach him, as far as I know.
Well, not in S5, anyway.
> > > I hope Spike will grow Bitter and Dark, rip that chip out of his head and
> > > makes everybody's live a living hell for an ep or three.
> >
> > Hehehe...and then what? Mr. Big Pile of Dust?
>
> Probably. Or Oz could come back and eat him because he was about to drain
> Willow.
Err...
> Nah, probably not going to happen.
Well, no.
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> > > But what about Buffy? She's rather dead and Dawn doesn't seem to have a
> > > lot of luck resurrecting family members. And if they bring her back, why
> > > not Joyce? Or Jenny?
> >
> > Joss did say it would have a reason.
> >
> > > On the other hand, I'm really having a hard time imagining the show
> > > without her.
> >
> > Indeed. You haven't been spoiled for the is she/isn't she coming back
> > thing, even?
>
> Yes, I have been, earlier this thread, but I'm trying to ignore that.
> Besides, I'd have to put in spoiler space for S6 also if I gave hints
> about that ;-)
Ahh....go download, you!
Saskia
> > Mattia Valente said :
> > > SPOILERS Buffy season 5, some for S6 as well
> >
> > I was almost inclined not to read any further, because you say spoilers for
> > S6. You could have been a bit more accurate and not make me nervous ;-) The
> > spoilers in your and Andrea's posts are for Episode One of Season 6.
>
> Yes, sorry. I don't know any spoilers for S6, rest assured..
I was, that's why I looked :-)
> > > Erm...right. Andrea, you're weird. Plus, like, I doubt ASH would
> > > consider becoming a full fledged reg again. And he's got his spinoff
> > > 'Ripper' coming up too, so....
> >
> > Hey but we are talking about what *we* want or hope or fear. Not the actors,
> > or the networks, or other people.
>
> Oh. Sorry to let reality intrude.
Yeah. Frell reality. This is our little Buffy-wish-world :-) (ahem...)
> In that case, Giles really assuming
> his role of watcher again, properly, and us seeing some true
> investigation of the themes that were hinted at in BvsD but which we
> never really got.
YES! Thank you Mattia. This exactly what I have been waiting for ever since
and it has not been delivered and I find that very annoying. Starting
something without finishing it.
> > > Ahum. Sorry. No, seriously though, perhaps a move towards grayness, now
> > > that she's Giles-less, for one thing, and she's fiddling with big scary
> > > powers. And doesn't seem to feel it's wrong to do so. That's dangerous.
> >
> > Something like that. I wouldn't want to be the writer who'd have to come up
> > with good and convincing stories like that.
>
> Let's get Tim Minear over on Buffy, shall we? Just for those few eps...
>
> <g>
Surely the Buffy writers can handle it too. Marti can do it. Jane too.
> > > > Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
> >
> > *donk*
> >
> > <faints>
> >
> > Gimme that oxygen!! NOW!!!
>
> <hands Sas the oxygen>
Thank you. Phew, that was close!
> > > I'm....shocked. Dechipped, become bad, and get staked, totally
> > > anticlimactically, without much ado about it. Perhaps a party after the
> > > fact. A "We Finally Dusted Spike" Party <eg>
> >
> > Oooooohhhhh.... that sounds terrible! No, I like my idea best :)
>
> Nah. I like my idea.
No, mine!
:-P
> <veg>
Pah
> > Argh rumors! Stay away from them and definitely don't tell me about them.
> > Can't stand them.
>
> Well, 'rumor'...perhaps I'm confusing 'insane shipper/Spike
> Redemptionist Crazy Talk' with rumors. Heard to many off hand comments
> like 'gee, I wish Spike and Buffy would really get together' at
> Nocturnal....crazy people...
Oh ok then.
> > > > But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
> > > > become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
> > > > attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
> > > > and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
> > >
> > > Oh. Dear.
> > >
> > > Soap Opera, anyone?
> >
> > Indeed. That's Bold & The Beautiful stuff. The show has almost become too
> > soapy and something like this would just kill any love I have for it.
>
> Riiight...Too soapy already? Well, maybe the marriage proposal thing,
> but mostly? Nah. I've seen far, far, far worse on certain trek shows,
> for example..
But this is not Trek so let's not compare those shows... makes no sense. (Or
use Buffy - again - to do some more Trek bashing.) And okay, calling it 'too
soapy' was a bit exaggerated perhaps but when I compare to Buffy's Season
One, for example. And Two, for that matter. No soapiness there. Season
Three, I'd have to think about but as of S4 the accent has been moving
towards the drama more and more, I think. With the Xander/Anya and
Willow/Tara storylines and the mom dying and all the other familystuff. It
was all done good, don't get me wrong, but I feel the drama has been
becoming more and more important instead of f.i. the horror or the fantasy
stuff (or whatever you want to call it).
> > > That would be a little too much for me, I fear. As
> > > things stand now, Dawn had (has? dunno) a crush on our dear little
> > > blondie bear,
> >
> > Er... who???
>
> Dawn. Spike. Crush. In, IIRC, 'Crush'. Remember?
Oh yeah. I had forgotten.
> > Yup. I'm so afraid she is just going to be the annoying little sister for a
> > whole season... and she is not real! Don't get me wrong, I don't hate her
> > but she's not supposed to be here so I don't want her anymore. Somebody kill
> > her! Spike!!! Oh yes, now *that* would be drama! Cool....
>
> Oooh....there's a thought. Involves dechipping, though. And probably
> killing Spike in the end. He ain't big bad enough to face Buffy. Maybe
> he'll move off to Angel.....
Hope not. Then Angel would kill him. And I want Buffy to do it.
> > > > (Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
> >
> > Which is a good thing.
>
> It is?
Yes.
--
Saskia
Mattia Valente
> Mattia Valente said :
> > Saskia wrote:
> > > Mattia Valente said :
> > > > SPOILERS Buffy season 5, some for S6 as well
> > > I was almost inclined not to read any further, because you say spoilers for
> > > S6. You could have been a bit more accurate and not make me nervous ;-) The
> > > spoilers in your and Andrea's posts are for Episode One of Season 6.
> >
> > Yes, sorry. I don't know any spoilers for S6, rest assured..
>
> I was, that's why I looked :-)
Spoiler Weenies Unite!
Ahum.
Hmm...Buffy Wish-verse is kinda scary. But cool...
> > In that case, Giles really assuming
> > his role of watcher again, properly, and us seeing some true
> > investigation of the themes that were hinted at in BvsD but which we
> > never really got.
>
> YES! Thank you Mattia. This exactly what I have been waiting for ever since
> and it has not been delivered and I find that very annoying. Starting
> something without finishing it.
Indeed. Bah. OK, they did some minor exposition, there were scenes in
early S5 that hinted that they might continue on the path, but then NPLH
happened, Dawn popped up, Glory showed up, and, well, nothing. Nada.
Zip. Well, one little 'Death is your Gift' dream quest thing, but that
doesn't really qualify, now does it?
> > > > Ahum. Sorry. No, seriously though, perhaps a move towards grayness, now
> > > > that she's Giles-less, for one thing, and she's fiddling with big scary
> > > > powers. And doesn't seem to feel it's wrong to do so. That's dangerous.
> > >
> > > Something like that. I wouldn't want to be the writer who'd have to come up
> > > with good and convincing stories like that.
> >
> > Let's get Tim Minear over on Buffy, shall we? Just for those few eps...
> >
> > <g>
>
> Surely the Buffy writers can handle it too. Marti can do it. Jane too.
If you want funny, do Jane. If you want angsty drama stuff, Marti'll
deliver; if you want a good balance of dark, broody, comic, and
dramatic, Tim or Joss can pull it off. Well, as first choices, anyway.
> > > > > Mwah. Good Spike is beginning to grow on me.
> > >
> > > *donk*
> > >
> > > <faints>
> > >
> > > Gimme that oxygen!! NOW!!!
> >
> > <hands Sas the oxygen>
>
> Thank you. Phew, that was close!
I'll say...I'm worried about Andrea..
> > > > I'm....shocked. Dechipped, become bad, and get staked, totally
> > > > anticlimactically, without much ado about it. Perhaps a party after the
> > > > fact. A "We Finally Dusted Spike" Party <eg>
> > >
> > > Oooooohhhhh.... that sounds terrible! No, I like my idea best :)
> >
> > Nah. I like my idea.
>
> No, mine!
>
> :-P
:-p
> > <veg>
>
> Pah
Mah.
> > > Argh rumors! Stay away from them and definitely don't tell me about them.
> > > Can't stand them.
> >
> > Well, 'rumor'...perhaps I'm confusing 'insane shipper/Spike
> > Redemptionist Crazy Talk' with rumors. Heard to many off hand comments
> > like 'gee, I wish Spike and Buffy would really get together' at
> > Nocturnal....crazy people...
>
> Oh ok then.
Still, it's madness.
> > > > > But I want the both of them being hard to get. Have Buffy
> > > > > become slightly attracted to Spike, while Spike becomes more and more
> > > > > attracted to Dawn. Having Dawn fall in love with Spike is easy. He's cute
> > > > > and strong and he's her sitter. <eg> Conflicts all over the place. Cool!!
> > > >
> > > > Oh. Dear.
> > > >
> > > > Soap Opera, anyone?
> > >
> > > Indeed. That's Bold & The Beautiful stuff. The show has almost become too
> > > soapy and something like this would just kill any love I have for it.
> >
> > Riiight...Too soapy already? Well, maybe the marriage proposal thing,
> > but mostly? Nah. I've seen far, far, far worse on certain trek shows,
> > for example..
>
> But this is not Trek so let's not compare those shows... makes no sense. (Or
> use Buffy - again - to do some more Trek bashing.)
Hey, I'm just saying that Trek hasn't sunk this low..
> And okay, calling it 'too
> soapy' was a bit exaggerated perhaps but when I compare to Buffy's Season
> One, for example. And Two, for that matter. No soapiness there. Season
> Three, I'd have to think about but as of S4 the accent has been moving
> towards the drama more and more, I think.
S4??? Away from the 'drama', you mean. To the wonky interpersonal stuff
and sillyness for the sake of it, that sort of thing. I don't really
know what exactly went wrong in S4, but it was a number of things..
> With the Xander/Anya and
> Willow/Tara storylines and the mom dying and all the other familystuff. It
> was all done good, don't get me wrong, but I feel the drama has been
> becoming more and more important instead of f.i. the horror or the fantasy
> stuff (or whatever you want to call it).
Hmmm....mwah. The MotW eps, the most 'monstery' eps in the earlier
seasons aren't something I miss over much. The story has always been
about how our characters deal with reality. However, a few more
monsterific features might be fun right about now. The S6 premiere was a
good presage in that sense.
> > > > That would be a little too much for me, I fear. As
> > > > things stand now, Dawn had (has? dunno) a crush on our dear little
> > > > blondie bear,
> > >
> > > Er... who???
> >
> > Dawn. Spike. Crush. In, IIRC, 'Crush'. Remember?
>
> Oh yeah. I had forgotten.
Pfff.....it was that all important 'a chip is no the same as a soul!'
discussion...sheesh..
> > > Yup. I'm so afraid she is just going to be the annoying little sister for a
> > > whole season... and she is not real! Don't get me wrong, I don't hate her
> > > but she's not supposed to be here so I don't want her anymore. Somebody kill
> > > her! Spike!!! Oh yes, now *that* would be drama! Cool....
> >
> > Oooh....there's a thought. Involves dechipping, though. And probably
> > killing Spike in the end. He ain't big bad enough to face Buffy. Maybe
> > he'll move off to Angel.....
>
> Hope not. Then Angel would kill him. And I want Buffy to do it.
Hehehehe....
> > > > > (Yes, I'm a Voy fan. :))
> > >
> > > Which is a good thing.
> >
> > It is?
>
> Yes.
Oh.