Angel S1 finale (no spoilers)
Miriam Rocke
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: Quite satisfying, carefully made episode, with as a nice twist the
: correction of an error made in BtVS S1.
...being what?
(Answer under spoiler space, obviously; but I honestly can't think of
what you're talking about.)
Mir
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Fuzzy
"Miriam Rocke" <mrr...@schubert.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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> Peter Kleiweg (kle...@let.rug.invalid) wrote:
> :
> : Quite satisfying, carefully made episode, with as a nice twist the
> : correction of an error made in BtVS S1.
>
> ...being what?
>
> (Answer under spoiler space, obviously; but I honestly can't think
of
> what you're talking about.)
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Sierk
Fuzzy
"Peter Kleiweg" <kle...@let.rug.invalid> wrote in message
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> It was good. Better than I expected after last week's episode
> that was - sort of - the first of a two-parter, and not a very
> good ep. As finales go, this was as good as the finale of BtVS
> S1. It was less sentimental, more brutal. Shockingly brutal,
> even. At first look, it seems to be the run of the mill
> world-is-going-to-end or the all-of-hell-will-roam-the-earth
> kind of finale, but it rises above that. It actually is about
> the characters themselves, Cordelia, Wesley and Angel. And Kate.
> What they have become, a kind of redefinition. Actually, quite
> brilliantly, this season finale manages to accomplish what
> lesser series need a cliff-hanger for: a reason to look forward
> to the new season. A bit sentimental at one point, but were BtVS
> S3's finale felt artificial, all loose ends had to be tied up
> forcefully, this finale felt more reflective, raising the stakes
> for next season. Quite satisfying, carefully made episode, with
> as a nice twist the correction of an error made in BtVS S1.
You liked it, huh?
I dunno...it felt more like an ep leading up to a grand finale that
the thing itself to me. It was a good ep, don't get me wrong, but it
was to much aimed to the Things that are Yet to Come, IMHO.
That, and the sentimental parts bothered me a bit.
I also saw some great acting, though, so, as usual, I need a rewatch
to make sure about this ep.
Sierk
Miriam Rocke
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: "Miriam Rocke" <mrr...@schubert.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
: news:8sfnms$3v$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu...
: > Peter Kleiweg (kle...@let.rug.invalid) wrote:
: > :
: > : correction of an error made in BtVS S1.
: > ...being what?
Hm.
'Cause, see, I never saw that as an 'error'. Either the existence of
Darla, or the killing thereof. Not that it's not fascinating that
they brought her back, but I didn't see that as correcting an error.
Of course, the fact that I found the 1st season (and
flashbacks-in-later-seasons) Darla to be, well, gratingly annoying,
doesn't factor in to my feelings... <g>
Fuzzy
Neither did I, but Peter liked her a lot IIRC.
> Of course, the fact that I found the 1st season (and
> flashbacks-in-later-seasons) Darla to be, well, gratingly annoying,
> doesn't factor in to my feelings... <g>
I'm *sure* it doesn't. :)
I liked her a lot in S1. She had spunk.
In later seasons she was...well, I wouldn't say gratingly annoying,
but that's only because I'm a better liar than you are :)
Sierk
Jonathan Black
> Actually, quite brilliantly, this season finale manages to
> accomplish what lesser series need a cliff-hanger for: a
> reason to look forward to the new season.
I like that, BtVS always seems to do it pretty well. I agree that
this approach is in geneal far superior to using actual
cliffhangers, which can be a bit cheap. Take Star Trek: Voyager's
S5 finale, `Equinox'. The cliffhanger moment is "Oh my god,
Captain Janeway is about to she's about to get hit by one of
those flying aliens that have just invaded the bridge!". Four
months later: "Hmm, she get's hit alright, but luckily it was
harmless..." In Buffy, each season kind of tends to tell a story
and so there always is a sense of closure at the end, but with a
health dose of expectation for what is to come too, probably most
so after `Becoming', though `Graduation Day' of course also
looked to the future. `Prophecy Girl'? I don't think they quite
knew what to expect themselves after that. It was a good effort
as a first season finale, and as I understand it, they weren't
really expecting to get a second season at all. Think of it...
Another show with good closure yet expectation-filled ends of
season is of course the wonderful Babylon 5.
--
J o N a `sig 4 lines maximum my ass ;-)' T H a N
"It was the end of the Earth year 2260, and the war had paused,
suddenly and unexpectedly. All around us, it was as if the
universe were holding its breath, waiting... All of life can be
broken down into moments of transition and moments of
revelation. This had the feeling of both. G'Quon wrote, `There
is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness
of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not
against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and
despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope,
the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition,
to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of
that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is
always born in pain."
--G'Kar, `Z'ha'dum'
Babylon 5
Fuzzy
"Peter Kleiweg" <kle...@let.rug.invalid> wrote in message
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> > You liked it, huh?
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> Well, I liked...
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> ... it *not* being about the end of the world, but about the
> characters.
Agree
> In fact, the plot was rather weird. A 4000 year old prophecy, a
> mighty law firm with all sorts of demons on their pay-role, and
> all they come up with is resurrecting Darla? The vamp or the
> human? And how is she supposed to help with the firm's problems?
> What is this weird firm, a law firm which doesn't occupy part of
> a wing of a floor of a building, but the *entire* building,
> being bothered by the activities of Angel? Why don't they just
> crush him? (And why, all of a sudden in the previous episode was
> it so difficult for a vampire to enter the building?)
If I understand it correctly, they summoned that demon to turn Angel
to the evil side.
"Angel! I am summoned for the raising - the very thing that was to
bring this creature down to us -tear him from the Powers That Be - and
he - has the scroll."
is what that demon says. I suspect the scroll is a tool in turning
Angel; I don't think that turning? Angel is it's purpose. You're right
though, it seems a bit contrived.
> Bad story-telling, or just loose ends? I don't mind the latter,
> gives it a more adult feel (not the US euphemism). Just focusing
> at where the main characters are, regardless of the tangles of
> chaos around them.
I'll go with loose ends. It's more fun that way.
> Still a bit unsure about Darla. I mean, under all that dirt and
> ragged hair, was that really Judy Denz? I didn't recognise her.
Don't think so. She was a bit young for that.
Sierk
george van hal
Fuzzy wrote:
<snip a lot a agreeage>
> > Still a bit unsure about Darla. I mean, under all that dirt and
> > ragged hair, was that really Judy Denz? I didn't recognise her.
>
> Don't think so. She was a bit young for that.
Oh, it was definatly Darla. No doubt about it whatsoever, imho. She indeed
didn't look very Darla-like though. She looked a bit like she does when
she was playing Topolsky in Roswell. Perhaps they brought her back human?
Although I find it more likely that miss Benz was just acting a bit scared
(if you can actually call that brief exposure acting). Getting back from
the dead, another dimension one assumes, could be considered a bit
unerving. Even for an evil vampire...
See Ya,
George