Buffy 3.11 Gingerbread PART TWO (spoilers)
P@rick
*** SPOILERS Buffy 3.11 Gingerbread ***
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.... aw shut up!
Picking up where I left, what would Buffy do if the killers were human?
There's a clause that says Slayers don't kill humans. But strictly spoken,
Buffy has nearly broken that clause a couple of times. The zoo-keeper in The
Pack comes to mind, although that could be explained as an accident in the
heat of the battle. Ted was an accident too, but that he turned out to be a
robot doesn't change the fact Buffy thought she killed a human. And Buffy
didn't kill that guy in BATB, but she might have. Should he be considered
human or demon/monster? The clearest case are the two German guys in
Homecoming. Is it bad for Buffy to kill a murderer that's after her or
someone else's life? What she did was in self-defence. But in Buffy's case,
with her Slayer powers the question can always be raised whether she had to
use lethal force or not.
It was nice to see what would happen if people started realising what's
going on in Sunnydale. Well sort of, because Hansel und Gretel were clouding
everyone's judgement. But I think it would turn out into some kind of witch
hunt anyway. Because that's how people deal with things they don't
understand or don't want to understand. I was a bit surprised that the mayor
let things pass so easily. Maybe there wasn't much he could do, but he
doesn't like things getting stirred up in Sunnydale. As his reaction to
Spike's return showed for instance. He wouldn't mind getting rid of Buffy,
that's for sure.
Is it just me, or is it not sensible to have a witch-burning inside City
Hall? And don't they have sprinklers in there? A shame of all those books. I
wonder how much is lost, and if that will be of importance in future
episodes.
One little thing: Oz and Xander shook off their pursuers easy enough. Wonder
how they did that.
I don't like Sheila. Shame that a lovely girl like Willow comes with a
mother (in law) like that. On the plus side is that her parents seem to be
seldom around. It might be interesting to compare Willow to her mother. But
I'm still not touching that yet.
Angel had an interesting role here. Last epsiode, he wanted to give up and
kill himself. This episode he tells Buffy some things are worth fighting for
and that it's not all about winning. Did Buffy's speach in Amends work
wonders on him? All that brooding is of some use after all.
Poor Xander. He is going out of his way to prove whatever happened between
him and Willow is in the past. Of course, he's doing it mostly to himself. I
don't think Oz holds much grudge to him. He got the wrong side of the deal.
Willow is back with Oz, Xander is left empty handed. But he's better off
without Cordelia anyway. Pitty Amy turned into a rat. She might have been
something for Xander. Ah well, maybe Amy the Rat can keep him company.
I wonder if Xander and Willow will still be good friends. This sort of thing
can mess up a friendship. There will always be tension between the two. But
if they deal with it sensibly and work out where the two of them stand, they
should be ok.
Willow was at her best again. Plenty of Willowisms. In fact, plenty of funny
lines in general. This ep is the source of some classic quotes. Too much to
sum up, but I'm sure Jonathan will find suitable occasions to put them at
good use.
Bye (again), Patrick
Yeah, that's an easy way to earn your title. Just start two threads about
the same ep!
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Yorrit
that's just an excuse. you can say: "it's a war, there will be victims,
i'm saving there lives everyday, blablalbla.....
and second, Slayer are not above the law.
> Ted was an accident too, but that he turned out to be a
> robot doesn't change the fact Buffy thought she killed a human. And
Buffy
> didn't kill that guy in BATB, but she might have. Should he be
considered
> human or demon/monster? The clearest case are the two German guys in
> Homecoming. Is it bad for Buffy to kill a murderer that's after her or
> someone else's life?
> What she did was in self-defence.
It's constitutional to defend yourself, so she did the right thing, it
was either them or her.
> But in Buffy's case,
> with her Slayer powers the question can always be raised whether she
had to
> use lethal force or not.
>
> It was nice to see what would happen if people started realising
what's
> going on in Sunnydale. Well sort of, because Hansel und Gretel were
clouding
> everyone's judgement. But I think it would turn out into some kind of
witch
> hunt anyway. Because that's how people deal with things they don't
> understand or don't want to understand.
Like I said in you're other one, "There's no justice like angry mob
justice"
> I was a bit surprised that the mayor
> let things pass so easily. Maybe there wasn't much he could do, but he
> doesn't like things getting stirred up in Sunnydale.
He had to keep things cool, he doesn't want anyone to know about
his 'demonic' plan.
>
> Is it just me, or is it not sensible to have a witch-burning inside
City
> Hall? And don't they have sprinklers in there? A shame of all those
books. I
> wonder how much is lost, and if that will be of importance in future
> episodes.
I don't think they would carry that on
> One little thing: Oz and Xander shook off their pursuers easy enough.
Wonder
> how they did that.
TV, TV.
> I don't like Sheila. Shame that a lovely girl like Willow comes with a
> mother (in law) like that. On the plus side is that her parents seem
to be
> seldom around. It might be interesting to compare Willow to her
mother. But
> I'm still not touching that yet.
Nooo, don't do that, what's there to compare? (wo-oh.. I think I've
started it)
> I wonder if Xander and Willow will still be good friends. This sort
of thing
> can mess up a friendship. There will always be tension between the
two. But
> if they deal with it sensibly and work out where the two of them
stand, they
> should be ok.
I know they will still be good friends, they have something together
that is stronger then any love-relation.
Yorrit
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Before you buy.
Deano
If u wanna get technical, the two German guy's killed each other, all Buffy did
was give them a little push!
Deanobajio
www.deanobajio.co.uk
"P@rick" wrote:
> And here's the rest...
>
> *** SPOILERS Buffy 3.11 Gingerbread ***
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> Picking up where I left, what would Buffy do if the killers were human?
> There's a clause that says Slayers don't kill humans. But strictly spoken,
> Buffy has nearly broken that clause a couple of times. The zoo-keeper in The
> Pack comes to mind, although that could be explained as an accident in the
> heat of the battle. Ted was an accident too, but that he turned out to be a
> robot doesn't change the fact Buffy thought she killed a human. And Buffy
> didn't kill that guy in BATB, but she might have. Should he be considered
> human or demon/monster? The clearest case are the two German guys in
> Homecoming. Is it bad for Buffy to kill a murderer that's after her or
> someone else's life? What she did was in self-defence. But in Buffy's case,
> with her Slayer powers the question can always be raised whether she had to
> use lethal force or not.
>
> It was nice to see what would happen if people started realising what's
> going on in Sunnydale. Well sort of, because Hansel und Gretel were clouding
> everyone's judgement. But I think it would turn out into some kind of witch
> hunt anyway. Because that's how people deal with things they don't
> understand or don't want to understand. I was a bit surprised that the mayor
> let things pass so easily. Maybe there wasn't much he could do, but he
> doesn't like things getting stirred up in Sunnydale. As his reaction to
> Spike's return showed for instance. He wouldn't mind getting rid of Buffy,
> that's for sure.
>
> Is it just me, or is it not sensible to have a witch-burning inside City
> Hall? And don't they have sprinklers in there? A shame of all those books. I
> wonder how much is lost, and if that will be of importance in future
> episodes.
> One little thing: Oz and Xander shook off their pursuers easy enough. Wonder
> how they did that.
>
> I don't like Sheila. Shame that a lovely girl like Willow comes with a
> mother (in law) like that. On the plus side is that her parents seem to be
> seldom around. It might be interesting to compare Willow to her mother. But
> I'm still not touching that yet.
>
> Angel had an interesting role here. Last epsiode, he wanted to give up and
> kill himself. This episode he tells Buffy some things are worth fighting for
> and that it's not all about winning. Did Buffy's speach in Amends work
> wonders on him? All that brooding is of some use after all.
>
> Poor Xander. He is going out of his way to prove whatever happened between
> him and Willow is in the past. Of course, he's doing it mostly to himself. I
> don't think Oz holds much grudge to him. He got the wrong side of the deal.
> Willow is back with Oz, Xander is left empty handed. But he's better off
> without Cordelia anyway. Pitty Amy turned into a rat. She might have been
> something for Xander. Ah well, maybe Amy the Rat can keep him company.
> I wonder if Xander and Willow will still be good friends. This sort of thing
> can mess up a friendship. There will always be tension between the two. But
> if they deal with it sensibly and work out where the two of them stand, they
> should be ok.
>
wheez50
P@rick <P.J.Mee...@students.fss.VampWillow.uu.nl> schreef in
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Well, actually she only helped them kill themselves, didn't she?
Another is the not-anymore-watcher that pretended to be the new
watcher of Faith. With the Glove of Minagon? She cut that woman's arm
off. Usually good for heavy mutilation (or is that not as bad as
killing someone?), but if you think about it an utter death sentence.
> What she did was in self-defence. But in Buffy's case,
> with her Slayer powers the question can always be raised whether she
had to
> use lethal force or not.
Well, did she (use her power to kill)? With the germans, she did not
actually pull the trigger.
> It was nice to see what would happen if people started realising
what's
> going on in Sunnydale. Well sort of, because Hansel und Gretel were
clouding
> everyone's judgement. But I think it would turn out into some kind
of witch
> hunt anyway. Because that's how people deal with things they don't
> understand or don't want to understand. I was a bit surprised that
the mayor
> let things pass so easily. Maybe there wasn't much he could do, but
he
> doesn't like things getting stirred up in Sunnydale. As his reaction
to
> Spike's return showed for instance. He wouldn't mind getting rid of
Buffy,
> that's for sure.
Actually, i think the situation would become almost as bad as it was
now. Lotsa panic, a witchhunt even more dangerous than selecting
witches by contents of their locker. I'd foresee even mass murder on
innocents. (People do strange stuff in such circumstances).
> Is it just me, or is it not sensible to have a witch-burning inside
City
> Hall? And don't they have sprinklers in there?
There should be a valve or even a switch to turn those sprinklers off!
> A shame of all those books. I
> wonder how much is lost, and if that will be of importance in future
> episodes.
I really can imagine how it musta hurt giles.. Ouch!
> One little thing: Oz and Xander shook off their pursuers easy
enough. Wonder
> how they did that.
Military history of Xander? Oz' nose?
> I don't like Sheila. Shame that a lovely girl like Willow comes with
a
> mother (in law) like that. On the plus side is that her parents seem
to be
> seldom around. It might be interesting to compare Willow to her
mother. But
> I'm still not touching that yet.
Well, the social pattern of Willow's behaviour is partly explained.
Fact remains that Willow is a nice and peaceful girl at heart. For
instance, some kids in that same situation would've been developed
into youth-problems.
> Angel had an interesting role here. Last epsiode, he wanted to give
up and
> kill himself. This episode he tells Buffy some things are worth
fighting for
> and that it's not all about winning. Did Buffy's speach in Amends
work
> wonders on him? All that brooding is of some use after all.
Well, what about the fact that buffy didn't visually remembered she'd
said only a week ago!
> Poor Xander. He is going out of his way to prove whatever happened
between
> him and Willow is in the past. Of course, he's doing it mostly to
himself. I
> don't think Oz holds much grudge to him. He got the wrong side of
the deal.
> Willow is back with Oz, Xander is left empty handed. But he's better
off
> without Cordelia anyway. Pitty Amy turned into a rat. She might have
been
> something for Xander. Ah well, maybe Amy the Rat can keep him
company.
> I wonder if Xander and Willow will still be good friends. This sort
of thing
> can mess up a friendship. There will always be tension between the
two. But
> if they deal with it sensibly and work out where the two of them
stand, they
> should be ok.
You know ;-p
> Willow was at her best again. Plenty of Willowisms. In fact, plenty
of funny
> lines in general. This ep is the source of some classic quotes. Too
much to
> sum up, but I'm sure Jonathan will find suitable occasions to put
them at
> good use.
agrd
> Bye (again), Patrick
> Yeah, that's an easy way to earn your title. Just start two threads
about
> the same ep!
I didn't mind :-)
wheez50
Mattia Valente
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Thank you for listening ;-)
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wheez50
Deano <dea...@cheerful.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Hey
> If u wanna get technical, the two German guy's killed each other,
all Buffy did
> was give them a little push!
This was his contribution...
> "P@rick" wrote:
Yes, P.'s complete unchanged message follows... Wel, i shouldn't say
anything, so fill me in here...
wheez50 (sorry, got tired somewhere)
wheez50
Yorrit <Jor...@yorno.tmfweb.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
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[Snip] the complete article+ rest of response
> It's constitutional to defend yourself, so she did the right thing,
it
> was either them or her.
It's a crime to use only a tiny bit more violence than needed. In
fact, Unless you can prove you couldn't do anything else to protect
yourself, you're a criminal.
Hey, it's abEurope over here. In US this kinda thing
is..uhh..different.
wheez50
Yorrit
"wheez50" <w.zw...@verwijderdit.hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> Yorrit <Jor...@yorno.tmfweb.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 8it938$57r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <8ispvd$i81$2...@news.surfnet.nl>,
> > "P@rick" <P.J.Mee...@students.fss.uu.nl> wrote:
> > > And here's the rest...
>
> [Snip] the complete article+ rest of response
>
> > It's constitutional to defend yourself, so she did the right thing,
> it
> > was either them or her.
>
> It's a crime to use only a tiny bit more violence than needed. In
> fact, Unless you can prove you couldn't do anything else to protect
> yourself, you're a criminal.
well, those guys had AR-15's, grenades, etc., they where packed.
so, to let them shoot each other (with a little help from B.) was kind
of in line with what they did.
> Hey, it's abEurope over here. In US this kinda thing
> is..uhh..different.
The last time I saw BtVS, it was situated in the US (OK, Sunnydale
ain't real), so US laws apply.
Yorrit
wheez50
Mattia Valente <mae.v...@std.vu.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Deano wrote:
> <SNIP>
[snip] rules
How do you do it? The exact same minute!
wheez50
wheez50
Well, thanks for the double reply ;-p and about that last thing buffy
being US-y, you're right.
Somewhere before i said that buffy only helped them kill each other.
I'd even say Buffy didn't kill the germans at all! Let alone in
self-defence.
My response was in a broader perspective (the original way back topic
was about buffy killing humans (not any pers or ep particularly)
wheez50 (how did this happen?)
Yorrit
"wheez50" <w.zw...@verwijderdit.hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
> Well, thanks for the double reply ;-p
I didn't do it. Deja's fault, don't blame me.
wheez50
> In article <8j36er$59b$2...@news.hccnet.nl>,
> "wheez50" <w.zw...@verwijderdit.hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Well, thanks for the double reply ;-p
>
> I didn't do it. Deja's fault, don't blame me.
Only with the ;-p. Hasn't happened to me very often (actually twice i
regret) *yet*.
wheez50 (was just kidding ;;;;;-)