music help!
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Yo, absfg!
So, I packed the foster dog up with an official World History Association
tote bag full of snacks and toys and sent her on her merry way to her new
family, and now feel like I have more time on my hand than usual, so I
thought I'd get back to my assault on music.
I've been doing my erhu lessons almost every week, performed twice in
public (once before my students, where nerves led to shaking hands leading
to a cool vibratto effect; once with my lesson-mates at a recital), and
can now play most notes with a reasonable chance of success.
My secret goal is to play non-Chinese music (and sing along, though that's
a challenge for another day). My particular interest is Collie Buddz
"Blind to You," which has turned into my personal anthem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ZngWO-mL0
I found a site with guitar tabs
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/c/collie_buddz/blind_to_you_ver2_crd.htm
My question to youse music wizards: Is there a way to translate guitar
chords into single notes painlessly? Or would that just be recreating a
single-note melody which I don't need since my vocal stylings would be
doing that anyway, and I should be trying to figure out how to recreate
the bouncy rhythm bit of music? ? ? ?
Does the question even make sense? I have very little idea of what I'm
talking about. Great fun to do something you're not good at!
Luke
Kirsten
This sounds like a mission for Danish rock god and..whatever... Kim Bonfils!
That's if he survives the can of whoopass Daryl is going to open up on
him in another thread.
Best wishes
Kirsten
bonfils
The simplest thing to do would be just playing the root notes on the
instrument - like a bass would do. That is, instead of an A major chord,
just play the A note, instead of an C# minor chord, just play the C#
note.
If that doesn't make sense - or if you want something a little more
sofisticated - please ask again.
--
bonfils
http://kim.bonfils.com
Wally Chapman
Playing melody requires the use of the dreaded scale. Although I agree
with Kim that you can just play the root note, the intervals between the
root notes need to be filled up somehow. Most of my playing involves
the very easy pentatonic minor scale, which can be found all over the net.
Wally
Love
Oh I'm an expert at doing things musically that I'm not
good at! Like Kim said, the root note is the easiest
and most likely the best thing in most cases.
If whatever instrument you're using is broken and won't
play that note, play any other note in the chord. The
fifth is almost always apt to sound right, especially
if you use the fifth instead of the root everywhere.
Oh, and turn your amp down real low so it will look
like you're playing but people won't be able to tell
if you're hitting the right notes because the rest of
the band is so loud.
Now excuse me, apparently I have a can of whoopass to
unload somewhere...
--
Love
May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.
Hidden Draggin
>
> Now excuse me, apparently I have a can of whoopass to
> unload somewhere...
He shall defend his position, whatever the cost
may be, he shall fight on the beaches, he shall
fight on the landing grounds, he shall fight in the
fields and in the streets, he shall fight in the hills;
he shall never surrender.
--
Hidden Draggin - Gilbert Hansford
Don't join dangerous cults, practice safe sects!
http://twitter.com/hiddendraggin
http://hiddendraggin.posterous.com/
Love
>
>Love wrote:
>
>>
>> Now excuse me, apparently I have a can of whoopass to
>> unload somewhere...
>
>He shall defend his position, whatever the cost
>may be, he shall fight on the beaches, he shall
>fight on the landing grounds, he shall fight in the
>fields and in the streets, he shall fight in the hills;
>he shall never surrender.
I peed myself a little there! :)
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Very exciting, thanks!
Okay, looking at the root notes of the chords, I see C#, A, E, and G#
repeated ad infinitum. It looks like A major is the least complicated
scale that can get me C# and G#, and Wikipedia says Christian Friedrich
Daniel Schubart says A major is good for "youthful cheerfulness and trust
in God"--which is totally this song, so that's a good sign. I figure
out hand positioning and eventually am able to play C#, A, E, and G#
repeated ad infinitum. I listen to an mp3 of the song while I more or
less play along. I think one would have to be a musical genius to discern
any connection between the recorded song and my four notes.
Three ideas:
1) I need more than just the root note. I don't think an erhu is capable
of producing chords(??), but I can slide between two notes (root and ?)
2) I need to figure out the bouncy bass(?) instead: low short note,
higher note short, then same note longer. But maybe that's just as simple
and repetitive
3) Abandon the song as unmusical, and find something else. Maybe find
something with piano music, and then play right hand, or left hand and
sing the right.
Or something else?
Hmmm....
Barbie says, "Music is hard!"
Luke
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Thanks! I fear this might be well beyond my basic skillz level. I could
slide up from a root note, but picking out certain scale tones with any
speed and (or) accuracy is probably something for the distant future...
Luke
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
My instrument is always broken, unless someone else is playing it, when it
sounds fabulous. :(
>Oh, and turn your amp down real low so it will look
>like you're playing but people won't be able to tell
>if you're hitting the right notes because the rest of
>the band is so loud.
Truly genius!
Luke
Love
Root and its fifth is normal according to Wikipedia but of
course you can tune it as you please. Minor third could
be a nice effect for some things I would think.
This should appeal to the mathematician in you...
The fifth is exactly 1.5 times the frequency of the root
by definition so it is the most harmonic note you can play
that isn't simply the same note on a different octave.
Being most harmonic can also make it most dull but since
you'll never ever get perfect tuning there will be
beating between the frquencies that adds body without
the two notes being perceptably off. You experience this
when you tune the second string I am sure. I do it with
oscillators and knobs, personally. There's always a spot
where you get appealing body and wonderful harmony.
Oh, root and fifth is also the "power chord". Hook your
erhu up to a stack of Marshalls and crank the volume to
eleven!
>2) I need to figure out the bouncy bass(?) instead: low short note,
>higher note short, then same note longer. But maybe that's just as simple
>and repetitive
Maybe you're destined to be an artist in the genre "trance"?
>3) Abandon the song as unmusical, and find something else. Maybe find
>something with piano music, and then play right hand, or left hand and
>sing the right.
>Or something else?
>Hmmm....
>Barbie says, "Music is hard!"
Is "music" a euphemism in this usage?
Keynes
Lots of music is played against a droning tone.
Not just bagpipes. There's 5-string banjo too.
The traditional music of india is usually based
on a drone. Delta blues have a droning monotonic
background accompaniment.
If you wanted to play modern melodies on your
fiddle, (which would be extremely difficult on
a single string), the melody is usually the top
note on the staff.
Wilson
"I do it with oscillators and knobs, personally."
FAQ!
--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/
Beerlet Dhiblang
> Love wrote:
>
> "I do it with oscillators and knobs, personally."
>
> FAQ!
Hear hear!
/l
Beerlet Dhiblang
> In article <hdqs48$60...@news.eternal-september.org>, a...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> >Love wrote:
>
> >> Now excuse me, apparently I have a can of whoopass to
> >> unload somewhere...
>
> >He shall defend his position, whatever the cost
> >may be, he shall fight on the beaches, he shall
> >fight on the landing grounds, he shall fight in the
> >fields and in the streets, he shall fight in the hills;
> >he shall never surrender.
>
> I peed myself a little there! :)
Ummmm. Not everything wet is #1.
/l
Beerlet Dhiblang
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:17:42 +0000 (UTC), indiosdelmu...@yahoo.canada wrote:
> >In article <w7SdnZ853IbtPZ3WnZ2dnUVZ_u-dn...@bright.net>,
> >Wally Chapman <shelsh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>bonfils wrote:
> >>> indiosdelmu...@yahoo.canada wrote innews:hdpiep$sod$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca:
I'm not sure there was a chord change in the entirety of Remain in
Light.
/l
Beerlet Dhiblang
> In article <1593a$4b00ef12$4038ecbe$22...@PRIMUS.CA>,
>
>
>
> Love <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote:
>
> >>Yo, absfg!
>
> >>So, I packed the foster dog up with an official World History Association
> >>tote bag full of snacks and toys and sent her on her merry way to her new
> >>family, and now feel like I have more time on my hand than usual, so I
> >>thought I'd get back to my assault on music.
>
> >>I've been doing my erhu lessons almost every week, performed twice in
> >>public (once before my students, where nerves led to shaking hands leading
> >>to a cool vibratto effect; once with my lesson-mates at a recital), and
> >>can now play most notes with a reasonable chance of success.
>
> >>My secret goal is to play non-Chinese music (and sing along, though that's
> >>a challenge for another day). My particular interest is Collie Buddz
> >>"Blind to You," which has turned into my personal anthem.
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ZngWO-mL0
>
> >>I found a site with guitar tabs
>
> >>My question to youse music wizards: Is there a way to translate guitar
> >>chords into single notes painlessly? Or would that just be recreating a
> >>single-note melody which I don't need since my vocal stylings would be
> >>doing that anyway, and I should be trying to figure out how to recreate
> >>the bouncy rhythm bit of music? ? ? ?
>
> >>Does the question even make sense? I have very little idea of what I'm
> >>talking about. Great fun to do something you're not good at!
>
> >Oh I'm an expert at doing things musically that I'm not
> >good at! Like Kim said, the root note is the easiest
> >and most likely the best thing in most cases.
>
> >If whatever instrument you're using is broken and won't
> >play that note, play any other note in the chord. The
> >fifth is almost always apt to sound right, especially
> >if you use the fifth instead of the root everywhere.
>
> My instrument is always broken, unless someone else is playing it, when it
> sounds fabulous. :(
>
> >Oh, and turn your amp down real low so it will look
> >like you're playing but people won't be able to tell
> >if you're hitting the right notes because the rest of
> >the band is so loud.
>
> Truly genius!
Unless the wrong notes are the right notes ....
Check out Kayo on keyboards @ 2:19 as all hell breaks loose !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD9sg7pm8us
Make's Eno's piano bit on King's Lead Hat look controlled....
/l
bonfils
news:TpGdnclQWqKOAJ_W...@supernews.com:
> Love wrote:
>
> "I do it with oscillators and knobs, personally."
>
> FAQ!
Even more apt then the old bumper sticker "Keyboard players do it with
their fingers."
--
bonfils
http://kim.bonfils.com
To send me a massage, please remove your.underwear
Beerlet Dhiblang
>
> My secret goal is to play non-Chinese music (and sing along, though that's
> a challenge for another day). My particular interest is Collie Buddz
> "Blind to You," which has turned into my personal anthem.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ZngWO-mL0
From the Iran-Contra era....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPFdbKLUmQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw
/l
daletx
Dude, I got one word for you: arpeggio (unless you're playing pirate
music, in which case it's ARRRRRpeggio).
You got two strings, and they're tuned a fifth apart (D & A), if
wikipedia is to be believed. If you play the root note on the low
string, you can play the note right beside it on the high string. Then
play the third of the chord back on the low string, and the root note
again, and you're home free! For the minors, that third is three
half-steps above the root (C#m, it would be an E, for example), for the
majors it's four half steps (for E, it would be G#). The 7th is two
half-steps down from your root; throw in an occasional F# on the G#7,
and you're ready to wail!
Anything that doesn't fit into the chord is what's called a "passing
tone"...
DT
Love
I've passed a lot of tone in my day.
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Oh, my neighbours will be so pleased. I'm surprised no one's complained
about unamped erhu noise; they complain about all other noise.
>>2) I need to figure out the bouncy bass(?) instead: low short note,
>>higher note short, then same note longer. But maybe that's just as simple
>>and repetitive
>
>Maybe you're destined to be an artist in the genre "trance"?
Maybe. That and Keynes's droning comment (I mean, comment on droning) and
the possibility of playing on "hiphop" and the "hop" in poet G M Hopkins's
name got me to thinking, and then I youtubed a hiphop backing track and
read his poetry over it in a urban gangsta voice (trying not to giggle),
and the result was pleasing to me. And the musical part was pretty
simple. So maybe I need to learn to appreciate the simple beauty of the
four notes. And add sampled gunshots.
Is there easy software for basic mixing that's recommended?
>>Barbie says, "Music is hard!"
>
>Is "music" a euphemism in this usage?
Given the quality of my music, yes.
Thanks!
Luke
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
This sounds both simple (enough for me to actually figure out) and
sophisticated (enough to impress me). Thanks, will experiment!
Luke
Love
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Love <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote:
>In article <he3p9m$npj$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca>, indiosd...@yahoo.canada says...
[...]
Oh, this is fun! The colours, the sounds!
I haven't figured out how to isolate sounds (say, the bass on some bit of
music), but reading the audacity wiki entry on isolating vocals it looks
like that's an inherently very difficult task.
Thanks!
Luke
Love
Oh, it's necromancy. Record different voices on different tracks
and it won't be a problem. Wish I was there with you. We'd have
so much fun.
--
Love
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
I spent yesterday afternoon fooling around on it, and had good fun,
although obviously not as much fun as we'd have if you were around.
Managed to isolate a keyboard pattern and a shotgun blast from a hiphop
track (though couldn't get the click of the shotgun loading sound
thing--too much other music interfering), made a shotgun loop for
percussion, I played in a bit of Chinese folk music on the erhu, rapped
in me trying to sound urban while reading Hopkins' "Carrion Comfort,"
lowered the pitch on that 1.5 semitones so it sounded less like a lame
attempt to sound urban, split the stereo vocals into L and R, and then
faded in and out on L while fading out and in on R (so it sounds like the
speaker is pacing back and forth in the listener's mind), and slapped it
altogether.
Result was the finest example of Chinese-Victorian hiphop music I've ever
heard. Also the worst example of it, but good fun nonetheless.
Luke
Love
Heh, I see you haven't posted the mp3. :)
That pitch changer is like magic innit? Changing pitch
without also changing speed (tempo) or changing speed
without also changing pitch was a luxury not available
to mere mortals at one time.
I'm also quite fond of the noise filtre though it's too
strong even at its minimum setting on my currently
installed version. (Nothing I can't work around by
changing the amplitude of the noise sample first.)
It's really not just a noise filtre. It will filtre
out anything. Noise is just its main mission in life.
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
After all that work, I couldn't figure out how to export it as mp3, which
I thought was funny/sad, so I gave up. Couldn't find the LAME thing,
downloaded it, still can't find it. I'll try again when I have more
strength. I did get it into .wav, but have become shy about posting
microsoft formats and my email was choking on its size (32MB for 3ish
minutes?).
>That pitch changer is like magic innit? Changing pitch
>without also changing speed (tempo) or changing speed
>without also changing pitch was a luxury not available
>to mere mortals at one time.
Very cool. I didn't appreciate it until I started poking around the wiki
and learned that this is difficult and innovative.
>I'm also quite fond of the noise filtre though it's too
>strong even at its minimum setting on my currently
>installed version. (Nothing I can't work around by
>changing the amplitude of the noise sample first.)
>It's really not just a noise filtre. It will filtre
>out anything. Noise is just its main mission in life.
I'm using the American version, so I have to make do with the filters.
Sigh.
Luke
Love
Oh right...duh...forget the Lame thing and use CDex to
do mp3 conversion of your wav files. It'll do 'em
in batches too. It has the Lame thing built in and as
a bonus it will rip almost any CD.
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Thanks, that works much easier/better.
www.sfu.ca/~lclossey/hiphophopkin_erhu.mp3
Luke
Ned Ludd
<indiosd...@yahoo.canada> wrote in message
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>
>>Oh right...duh...forget the Lame thing and use CDex to
>>do mp3 conversion of your wav files. It'll do 'em
>>in batches too. It has the Lame thing built in and as
>>a bonus it will rip almost any CD.
>
> Thanks, that works much easier/better.
> www.sfu.ca/~lclossey/hiphophopkin_erhu.mp3
> Luke
>
What does the dog have to say about that?
Ned
(Really nice final graphic when it ends - Kermit as God!)
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Ned Ludd <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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><indiosd...@yahoo.canada> wrote in message
>news:heh23n$squ$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca...
>>
>>>Oh right...duh...forget the Lame thing and use CDex to
>>>do mp3 conversion of your wav files. It'll do 'em
>>>in batches too. It has the Lame thing built in and as
>>>a bonus it will rip almost any CD.
>>
>> Thanks, that works much easier/better.
>> www.sfu.ca/~lclossey/hiphophopkin_erhu.mp3
>>
>
The dog has departed to her permanent family. She was very interested in
laser-printer noise, so I'd expect this would have been very very
interesting to her, although perhaps not in a good way.
Luke
Love
That's very avant garde Luke!
Wally Chapman
Reminds me of Bobby Hill learning the violin.
Wally
Kitty P
<indiosd...@yahoo.canada> wrote in message
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Oh that was great! More of Chinese-Victorian hiphop rap.Um-my dog is going
berzerk....
Kitty
indiosd...@yahoo.canada
Heh, makes me want to rejig the grading rubric. Excellent (A), very good
(B), average (C), barely acceptable (D), avant garde (AV). If you get an
AV it means you've broken the rubric.
>Reminds me of Bobby Hill learning the violin.
Oh! Bobby Hill's name sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it. He's
a famous violinist? A musical genius of some sort? Let's see...
googlegooglegoolge... oh. Oh, dear.
:)
Luke (who is discovering that he sometimes enjoys doing things he has no
natural talent for... erhu, paramedics, life, etc.)
Wally Chapman
Me, too. I have no natural talent for mechanics, but I enjoy working on
my bike.
Wally