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Love
Feb 2, 2022, 7:28:00 AM2/2/22
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Remember the big news over "mass graves" being found
at the residential schools that many indigenous
children were required to attend and live in after
being removed from their families? There were
reports like "up to 215 graves found at one school"
for months. The media ran with the story and
politicians made their noises and fundings for
investigations etc. etc.. The obvious thing would
be to start digging where the ground penetrating
radar (GPR) said you should, because GPR was what
all those reports were based on. Well, the news
doesn't appear to have broken in Canada (yet) but
it's on Sky News out of Australia. The story of
"mass unmarked graves" seems to be unravelling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbXE18omy0
See also...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites#Investigations_that_found_no_gravesites
--
Love
"The media operates as a laundry for politicians."
--Russell Brand
at the residential schools that many indigenous
children were required to attend and live in after
being removed from their families? There were
reports like "up to 215 graves found at one school"
for months. The media ran with the story and
politicians made their noises and fundings for
investigations etc. etc.. The obvious thing would
be to start digging where the ground penetrating
radar (GPR) said you should, because GPR was what
all those reports were based on. Well, the news
doesn't appear to have broken in Canada (yet) but
it's on Sky News out of Australia. The story of
"mass unmarked graves" seems to be unravelling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbXE18omy0
See also...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites#Investigations_that_found_no_gravesites
--
Love
"The media operates as a laundry for politicians."
--Russell Brand
Wilson
Feb 2, 2022, 8:21:53 AM2/2/22
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The genuinely amazing thing is, near as I can tell, NO graves have ever
been found. It was all based on speculation.
DMB
Feb 3, 2022, 2:11:04 PM2/3/22
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This supposedly is the proof of 215 sets of remains (it doesn't look like tree roots):
https://postimg.cc/G4W7bpkp
liaM
Feb 3, 2022, 3:37:58 PM2/3/22
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boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to achieve
a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this was
only stopped in the '90s.
Wilson
Feb 4, 2022, 8:05:04 AM2/4/22
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generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 8:07:03 AM2/4/22
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What happened to individual liberty?
--
Noah Sombrero
liaM
Feb 4, 2022, 8:16:21 AM2/4/22
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Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 9:12:35 AM2/4/22
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themselves Compassionate Conservatives for a while and more recently
in canada, Progressive Conservatives.
Does it make a difference if you name something what it isn't?
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Noah Sombrero
Wilson
Feb 4, 2022, 11:23:53 AM2/4/22
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expect them to see yours?
I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
from their parents against their will. It was a typically paternalistic
state action done by the sort of people who are sure they know what's
best for the people, regardless of what the people want.
It's the archetypical overbearing mother and the authoritarian father
manifested through government officials. When it's unable to take into
consideration what the people want (and actually need) it is often
heartless. The same dynamic is seen today with the pointless and
non-productive vax mandates and business shutdowns.
liaM
Feb 4, 2022, 12:21:28 PM2/4/22
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On 2/4/2022 5:23 PM, Wilson wrote:
> On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that
>>>> this was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>
>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>
>> Your logic is heartless.
>
>
> It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
> expect them to see yours?
Didn't see the joke in what I said? Thought so. "Let them eat cake".
> On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that
>>>> this was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>
>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>
>> Your logic is heartless.
>
>
> It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
> expect them to see yours?
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 1:20:20 PM2/4/22
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In article <sthef4$unl$1...@dont-email.me>, cud...@mindless.com says...
Actually, compulsory attendance ended in 1947. The last
federally-funded residential school, Kivalliq Hall in
Rankin Inlet (far north Hudson's Bay), closed in 1997.
One could call that closing something being taken away
from the indigenous people rather than calling the
school something that was forced upon them.
In the USA, by contrast, there were still 9500 indigenous
students in boarding schhols in 2007. From 1953 to 1968
(LBJ) a "termination period" succeeded in terminating 61
entire indigenous tribes.
No one has gotten the "indigenous problem" right, ever.
Except maybe Gene Roddenberry who imagined a complete
ban on more advanced civilisations from even coming into
contact with less advanced ones. In that scebario,
"advanced" meant "capable of interplanetary travel".
Translated out of sci-fi terms, that might have meant
something like "capable of making steel".
federally-funded residential school, Kivalliq Hall in
Rankin Inlet (far north Hudson's Bay), closed in 1997.
One could call that closing something being taken away
from the indigenous people rather than calling the
school something that was forced upon them.
In the USA, by contrast, there were still 9500 indigenous
students in boarding schhols in 2007. From 1953 to 1968
(LBJ) a "termination period" succeeded in terminating 61
entire indigenous tribes.
No one has gotten the "indigenous problem" right, ever.
Except maybe Gene Roddenberry who imagined a complete
ban on more advanced civilisations from even coming into
contact with less advanced ones. In that scebario,
"advanced" meant "capable of interplanetary travel".
Translated out of sci-fi terms, that might have meant
something like "capable of making steel".
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 1:33:43 PM2/4/22
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In article <a69qvg1so5mo22a0s...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Surveyors. They gave governments define parcels of land,
grant "title" to those lands. Build fences. Build
railroads. Make a cavalry to defend them. Like that.
It's all the fault of surveyors, and their allies
the mathematicians.
grant "title" to those lands. Build fences. Build
railroads. Make a cavalry to defend them. Like that.
It's all the fault of surveyors, and their allies
the mathematicians.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 1:37:23 PM2/4/22
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In article <bscqvgtsrrhcq20po...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Progressive Conservatism is a thing, not an oxymoron,
unless the only language you speak is American. Red
Tories are a thing too.
unless the only language you speak is American. Red
Tories are a thing too.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 2:28:35 PM2/4/22
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In article <ste0he$p2n$2...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
And an exaggerated desire to not challenge
victimhood claims.
Some graves have been found, just not the "mass"
graves that were being talked about as if there
had been a routine practice of hiding mass
murders of children. Institutional graveyards
were already known about, though records have
deteriorated through the centuries.
victimhood claims.
Some graves have been found, just not the "mass"
graves that were being talked about as if there
had been a routine practice of hiding mass
murders of children. Institutional graveyards
were already known about, though records have
deteriorated through the centuries.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 2:50:40 PM2/4/22
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In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
before they starve to death, and giving them a
decent education so they can function independently
in the future? That sounds pretty heartful to me.
>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this
>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>
>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>
>> Your logic is heartless.
>
>
>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>expect them to see yours?
>
>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>from their parents against their will.
What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this
>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>
>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>
>> Your logic is heartless.
>
>
>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>expect them to see yours?
>
>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>from their parents against their will.
before they starve to death, and giving them a
decent education so they can function independently
in the future? That sounds pretty heartful to me.
liaM
Feb 4, 2022, 3:05:38 PM2/4/22
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fiat to get even. Seeing Ashley Barty win the Australian Open was
one such event. Australia, England, Canada, the USA, all
have ugly Dickensian stories to tell.
liaM
Feb 4, 2022, 3:13:58 PM2/4/22
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Canadian schools enjoyed eating their pudding at the time and when
grown up.
Or did they become plump and happy members of the Canadian ruling classes?
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 3:16:56 PM2/4/22
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question. Comfy in there?
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 3:27:45 PM2/4/22
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forces for a while and managed to win a few elections. Harper himself
was a non prog. All in all, in terms of stated philosophy, there does
appear to be differences. In practice, it looks to me like
conservatives are mostly not compassionate or progressive. Even
though, it probably did help at the ballot box for them to call
themselves that, until people caught on.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 3:32:02 PM2/4/22
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 14:50:38 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this
>>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>>
>>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>>
>>> Your logic is heartless.
>>
>>
>>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>>expect them to see yours?
>>
>>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>>from their parents against their will.
>
>What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>before they starve to death,
Probably not the case in this situation.
>In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this
>>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>>
>>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>>
>>> Your logic is heartless.
>>
>>
>>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>>expect them to see yours?
>>
>>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>>from their parents against their will.
>
>What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>before they starve to death,
>and giving them a
>decent education so they can function independently
>in the future? That sounds pretty heartful to me.
--
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 3:33:04 PM2/4/22
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Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 3:36:05 PM2/4/22
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islands off india where there are mostly untouched small groups.
But, right. Nobody has gotten it right, and so let us not defend what
has been done.
--
Noah Sombrero
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 5:11:01 PM2/4/22
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Love
Feb 4, 2022, 5:21:46 PM2/4/22
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In article <stk1e5$ruf$1...@dont-email.me>, cud...@mindless.com says...
Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
disdain for the working class?
I have no reason to doubt that the kids sent
to those schools enjoyed them. It's only the
ones who didn't that are talking today. And
well they should talk, but they talk for
themselves.
Our current Governor General (vice regal) is
an Inuit woman.
disdain for the working class?
I have no reason to doubt that the kids sent
to those schools enjoyed them. It's only the
ones who didn't that are talking today. And
well they should talk, but they talk for
themselves.
Our current Governor General (vice regal) is
an Inuit woman.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 5:48:07 PM2/4/22
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In article <ub2rvgl6u7e21iud4...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Thanks. It's called the "triple Lindy".
> You could have simply answered the
>question. Comfy in there?
You would know, you're in here with me.
> You could have simply answered the
>question. Comfy in there?
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 5:52:58 PM2/4/22
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In article <ce2rvgh4fgjk53ovt...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
But they didn't. The party of Harper REMOVED
the word "progressive" from their name. It's
now just the CPC.
In comparison, the Ontario government of Ford
is a far cry from the Harris government, which
should have torn off the p-word, and suffered
greatly for it post-Harris.
the word "progressive" from their name. It's
now just the CPC.
In comparison, the Ontario government of Ford
is a far cry from the Harris government, which
should have torn off the p-word, and suffered
greatly for it post-Harris.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 5:55:21 PM2/4/22
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In article <h53rvgdlf8gsrbqef...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
universe?
What was the case then?
>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 14:50:38 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this
>>>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>>>
>>>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>>>
>>>> Your logic is heartless.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>>>expect them to see yours?
>>>
>>>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>>>from their parents against their will.
>>
>>What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>>before they starve to death,
>
>Probably not the case in this situation.
Is that the truth or your guess from your news
>
>>In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that this
>>>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>>>
>>>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th century.
>>>>
>>>> Your logic is heartless.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>>>expect them to see yours?
>>>
>>>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>>>from their parents against their will.
>>
>>What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>>before they starve to death,
>
>Probably not the case in this situation.
universe?
What was the case then?
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 5:56:39 PM2/4/22
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In article <2e3rvg9johiru4idh...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
While we're at it, let's stop making accusations, too.
liaM
Feb 4, 2022, 6:59:09 PM2/4/22
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> I have no reason to doubt that the kids sent
> to those schools enjoyed them. It's only the
> ones who didn't that are talking today. And
> well they should talk, but they talk for
> themselves.
>
> Our current Governor General (vice regal) is
> an Inuit woman.
>
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 7:22:24 PM2/4/22
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Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 7:32:36 PM2/4/22
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>It's now just the CPC.
nice, nobody is fooled. It looks like the c's will give up on that
and go back to being lizards.
>In comparison, the Ontario government of Ford
>is a far cry from the Harris government, which
>should have torn off the p-word, and suffered
>greatly for it post-Harris.
doesn't seem to think he can get away with that stuff now. He'll
probably sail through the next election on covid coat tails. Even
though there is some dissatisfaction with his performance.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 7:58:33 PM2/4/22
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effort was to extinguish that culture, in effect making them dependant
on canadian society (providing as little as possible), and freeing
their lands for whatever use canadians wanted to make of them.
Left to themselves, there is every reason to suspect that they would
have cared for their children, as all races do.
That is, if they are not torn from their homelands and shipped across
the ocean and sold into slavery, or something. When parents start
feeling that they have nothing to offer their children but the same
torment they endure, things can get twisted.
It is also true that every race produces a few individuals who can
rise above it all and make a decent life for themselves regardless.
This little town has a practicing female lawyer born on the nearby
reserve, for instance. Most people are not capable of that kind of
transformation.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 7:59:53 PM2/4/22
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Noah Sombrero
DMB
Feb 4, 2022, 8:31:04 PM2/4/22
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Love
Feb 4, 2022, 9:49:05 PM2/4/22
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In article <stkekc$h68$1...@dont-email.me>, cud...@mindless.com says...
Oh, I forgot the Liam private language: Reverse
all meanings at will.
Thanks for the compliment!
>> I have no reason to doubt that the kids sent
>> to those schools enjoyed them. It's only the
>> ones who didn't that are talking today. And
>> well they should talk, but they talk for
>> themselves.
>>
>> Our current Governor General (vice regal) is
>> an Inuit woman.
>>
>
>Ashley Barty, yay !
So why don't you like Ashley Barty?
all meanings at will.
Thanks for the compliment!
>> I have no reason to doubt that the kids sent
>> to those schools enjoyed them. It's only the
>> ones who didn't that are talking today. And
>> well they should talk, but they talk for
>> themselves.
>>
>> Our current Governor General (vice regal) is
>> an Inuit woman.
>>
>
>Ashley Barty, yay !
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 10:18:57 PM2/4/22
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In article <5rgrvgt9tp8q0im5o...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Interesting times. If the experience of Patrick
Brown is any indicator, you may be right. I will
keep hoping that someone like him, or maybe even
Brown himself, has a chance.
>>In comparison, the Ontario government of Ford
>>is a far cry from the Harris government, which
>>should have torn off the p-word, and suffered
>>greatly for it post-Harris.
>
>Ford was giving the teachers union a hard time until covid broke.
A good thing.
> He
>doesn't seem to think he can get away with that stuff now. He'll
>probably sail through the next election on covid coat tails. Even
>though there is some dissatisfaction with his performance.
Well, what government would not have some
"dissatisfaction", at least from usual suspects
like teacher's unions? Only the NDP could do
that with those unions, and even then it would
be precarious.
Brown is any indicator, you may be right. I will
keep hoping that someone like him, or maybe even
Brown himself, has a chance.
>>In comparison, the Ontario government of Ford
>>is a far cry from the Harris government, which
>>should have torn off the p-word, and suffered
>>greatly for it post-Harris.
>
>Ford was giving the teachers union a hard time until covid broke.
> He
>doesn't seem to think he can get away with that stuff now. He'll
>probably sail through the next election on covid coat tails. Even
>though there is some dissatisfaction with his performance.
"dissatisfaction", at least from usual suspects
like teacher's unions? Only the NDP could do
that with those unions, and even then it would
be precarious.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 11:08:36 PM2/4/22
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In article <pfhrvg5s72stmq7n6...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Indigenous culture "provided for the needs"
of all surviving indigenous peoples
everywhere, obviously. Some had terrible
disease problems, and terrible war problems,
and terrible famine problems, but they
survived so their needs must have been "met"
by definition. That's not a high bar.
And clearly, indigenous people themselves
chose to trade for things their own culture
lacked, like metal and woven goods, and
sometimes even wheels. Perhaps our
European ancestors should have had the
wisdom to see how trading with such peoples
would disrupt their cultures irreparably,
and decided to not trade at all. Perhaps
Indigenous ancestors should have seen that
coming too, and refused to trade as well.
Both are guilty of choosing opportunity
instead of caution.
Imagine the power imbalances a few metal
items like axes and knives and traps would
have created for technologically stone age
peoples. Imbalances that would need to be
corrected by others also trading for such
things, or making other deals with the
foreign devils (like for territory and/or
military manpower to be deployed against
enemies, even other indigenous people).
No, the mess is ordinary and very human, not
the consequence of bad actors (colonialists)
versus good actors (indigenous). Only the
non-discovery of the Americas by more
technologically advanced cultures could have
prevented it, but in any case, it wasn't
idyllic even left alone. It was harsh beyond
comprehension. No one in his right mind
would have turned down a few knives, axes,
guns or snowmobiles to give him a leg up in
those circumstances. And no fair person
would have turned him down and said "trust
me, you will be better off without these
goods" because he would have known the
advantages of them himself.
And nobody with a heart could have seen the
cultural devastation and the consequences of
it on children, and not thought there must
be a better option.
of all surviving indigenous peoples
everywhere, obviously. Some had terrible
disease problems, and terrible war problems,
and terrible famine problems, but they
survived so their needs must have been "met"
by definition. That's not a high bar.
And clearly, indigenous people themselves
chose to trade for things their own culture
lacked, like metal and woven goods, and
sometimes even wheels. Perhaps our
European ancestors should have had the
wisdom to see how trading with such peoples
would disrupt their cultures irreparably,
and decided to not trade at all. Perhaps
Indigenous ancestors should have seen that
coming too, and refused to trade as well.
Both are guilty of choosing opportunity
instead of caution.
Imagine the power imbalances a few metal
items like axes and knives and traps would
have created for technologically stone age
peoples. Imbalances that would need to be
corrected by others also trading for such
things, or making other deals with the
foreign devils (like for territory and/or
military manpower to be deployed against
enemies, even other indigenous people).
No, the mess is ordinary and very human, not
the consequence of bad actors (colonialists)
versus good actors (indigenous). Only the
non-discovery of the Americas by more
technologically advanced cultures could have
prevented it, but in any case, it wasn't
idyllic even left alone. It was harsh beyond
comprehension. No one in his right mind
would have turned down a few knives, axes,
guns or snowmobiles to give him a leg up in
those circumstances. And no fair person
would have turned him down and said "trust
me, you will be better off without these
goods" because he would have known the
advantages of them himself.
And nobody with a heart could have seen the
cultural devastation and the consequences of
it on children, and not thought there must
be a better option.
Love
Feb 4, 2022, 11:10:09 PM2/4/22
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In article <nuirvglamv67aj2t1...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Or sex. Bonobos vote for sex. Metis ancestors
clearly voted for it too.
clearly voted for it too.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 4, 2022, 11:40:00 PM2/4/22
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in those days, greenland appears to have been sort of a hub. And then
south into central america. Illinois/Indiana appears to have been an
indian style urban sorta center. Once upon a distant time.
Read some Joseph Boyden, then maybe sample some histories.
Yes, their lives were difficult by our standards
1) like many otherly cultures also appear to us
2) perhaps we have become softies?
a good life. It is like the us thinking that the world needs to
emulate us style democracy, as if it were so perfect after all.
>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>it on children, and not thought there must
>be a better option.
residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
right?
--
Noah Sombrero
liaM
Feb 5, 2022, 9:47:11 AM2/5/22
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understanding what people who are not white and middle class endure.
Wilson
Feb 5, 2022, 11:32:43 AM2/5/22
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On 2/4/2022 6:59 PM, liaM wrote:
> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>
>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>> disdain for the working class?
>
> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
Tell that to the truckers in Ottawa. They had $9 million of their
> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>
>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>> disdain for the working class?
>
> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
gofundme taken away from them, due to government pressure.
They can't even keep the money that was donated to them by the people.
Wilson
Feb 5, 2022, 11:37:27 AM2/5/22
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DMB
Feb 5, 2022, 11:41:48 AM2/5/22
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On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 09:37:27 UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
> > THE NWO has no room on earth for societies willing (and succeeding at) independence from global citizenship.
> That's a defining issue for our time.
When it comes to powerplays, fairness isn't high up on their value system.
> > THE NWO has no room on earth for societies willing (and succeeding at) independence from global citizenship.
> That's a defining issue for our time.
Wilson
Feb 5, 2022, 11:53:30 AM2/5/22
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DMB
Feb 5, 2022, 11:59:33 AM2/5/22
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On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 09:53:30 UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
> >>> THE NWO has no room on earth for societies willing (and succeeding at) independence from global citizenship.
> >> That's a defining issue for our time.
> > When it comes to powerplays, fairness isn't high up on their value system.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLWnTQMwFs
Collectively, everybody knows what's happening.
> >>> THE NWO has no room on earth for societies willing (and succeeding at) independence from global citizenship.
> >> That's a defining issue for our time.
> > When it comes to powerplays, fairness isn't high up on their value system.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLWnTQMwFs
We're in the fun part where we watch the process in our present day.
I wonder how long it's going to take for them to make the less violent decision to make permanent concessions or Tiananmen Square the good folks.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 5, 2022, 12:45:33 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 11:32:41 -0500, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On 2/4/2022 6:59 PM, liaM wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>>
>>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>>> disdain for the working class?
>>
>> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
>
>Tell that to the truckers in Ottawa. They had $9 million of their
>gofundme taken away from them, due to government pressure.
How do you know about government pressure?
>On 2/4/2022 6:59 PM, liaM wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>>
>>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>>> disdain for the working class?
>>
>> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
>
>Tell that to the truckers in Ottawa. They had $9 million of their
>gofundme taken away from them, due to government pressure.
>They can't even keep the money that was donated to them by the people.
--
Noah Sombrero
Wilson
Feb 5, 2022, 2:18:25 PM2/5/22
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through life just trying to get through their day.
As hard as it is to say, after watching Australia, New Zealand and some
other places it's not clear whether those in charge will choose the
non-violent road or outright oppression.
https://spectator.org/thomas-friedman-china/
Friedman says that China's authoritarian system of tight controls and
social credit is better. He's definitely not alone among the
intelligentsia in believing that.
Wilson
Feb 5, 2022, 3:11:00 PM2/5/22
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On 2/5/2022 12:45 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 11:32:41 -0500, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 6:59 PM, liaM wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>>>> disdain for the working class?
>>>
>>> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
>>
>> Tell that to the truckers in Ottawa. They had $9 million of their
>> gofundme taken away from them, due to government pressure.
>
> How do you know about government pressure?
I know because I can read:
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 11:32:41 -0500, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 6:59 PM, liaM wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>>>> disdain for the working class?
>>>
>>> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
>>
>> Tell that to the truckers in Ottawa. They had $9 million of their
>> gofundme taken away from them, due to government pressure.
>
> How do you know about government pressure?
"GoFundMe supports peaceful protests and we believe that was the
intention of the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser when it was first
created. We now have evidence from law enforcement that the previously
peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of
violence and other unlawful activity."
"To ensure GoFundMe remains a trusted platform, we work with local
authorities to ensure we have a detailed, factual understanding of
events taking place on the ground. Following a review of relevant facts
and multiple discussions with local law enforcement and city officials..."
https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/update-gofundme-statement-on-the-freedom-convoy-2022-fundraiser-4ca7e9714e82
Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly:
“The hatred, violence, and illegal acts that Ottawa residents and
businesses have endured over the last week are unacceptable in any
circumstance and City of Ottawa are bringing significantly greater
resources to restore order, hold offenders to account and protect our
neighborhoods." "The demonstrators remain highly organized,
well-funded, and extremely committed to resisting efforts to end the
demonstration safely. This remains a very volatile and very dangerous
demonstration.”
Ottawa Premier Doug Ford:
"The occupation in Ottawa is only hurting families and businesses that
are trying to continue on with their lives. It’s time for it to come to
an end," said Ford in a statement Friday afternoon." "What's happening
in Ottawa, in my opinion, is unacceptable." "As any premier would say;
the right to protest, the civil liberties, the democracy that's a given.
But when you start occupying, it's unacceptable."
The mayor and city manager Steve Kanellakos also spoke with GoFundMe to
discuss the fundraising campaign to support the "Freedom Convoy"
demonstration.
"The whole thing seems very sketchy," said Watson on CTV News Channel's
Power Play. "This one woman is getting all this money, how she's
distributing it? Where's that money going to go?"
Watson wants GoFundMe to freeze the $10 million raised until the end of
the occupation.
"Keep the money frozen until these folks leave the city of Ottawa, then
give them that incentive."
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-launch-surge-and-contain-strategy-at-freedom-convoy-protest-1.5767296
That's the government pressure that gofundme faced.
The convoy had lawyers and accountants overseeing the fund and the
distribution of the money. Gofundme had released $1 million. There was
nothing "sketchy" about it.
They government has supported other protests (Justin Trudeau was happy
to kneed with BLM protestors) that align with their ideology. This one
does not, so this one they intend to crush.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 5, 2022, 5:34:28 PM2/5/22
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>"The whole thing seems very sketchy," said Watson on CTV News Channel's
>Power Play. "This one woman is getting all this money, how she's
>distributing it? Where's that money going to go?"
>
>Watson wants GoFundMe to freeze the $10 million raised until the end of
>the occupation.
>
>"Keep the money frozen until these folks leave the city of Ottawa, then
>give them that incentive."
>https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-launch-surge-and-contain-strategy-at-freedom-convoy-protest-1.5767296
>
>
>That's the government pressure that gofundme faced.
>
>The convoy had lawyers and accountants overseeing the fund and the
>distribution of the money. Gofundme had released $1 million. There was
>nothing "sketchy" about it.
>
>They government has supported other protests (Justin Trudeau was happy
>to kneed with BLM protestors) that align with their ideology. This one
>does not, so this one they intend to crush
knows, could it be true that gfm has a scruple or two of their own?
--
Noah Sombrero
Love
Feb 6, 2022, 3:36:50 AM2/6/22
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In article <2uurvgptcb728qibt...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Maybe I just say take your homework assignments
and put them where the sun don't shine, teacher.
>Yes, their lives were difficult by our standards
>1) like many otherly cultures also appear to us
>2) perhaps we have become softies?
Irrelevant. I have described the path of
disruption of their culture, through trade
with Europeans. I am not judging them
inferior for having that culture. In fact
you are making that judgement implicitly
but you don't see it, calling their choice
to buy European goods "materialistic".
Oh, "materialistic", how rotten of anyone to
be materialistic. Yet, given a chance to own
a knife made of steel, versus a sharpened bone
or a sliver of obsidian, most people will
ignore your moralism and take the knife made
of steel.
>>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>>it on children, and not thought there must
>>be a better option.
>
>As if one were wise enough to know what that might be.
Compassionate enough to try something new.
> But the
>residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
>right?
Duh.
and put them where the sun don't shine, teacher.
>Yes, their lives were difficult by our standards
>1) like many otherly cultures also appear to us
>2) perhaps we have become softies?
disruption of their culture, through trade
with Europeans. I am not judging them
inferior for having that culture. In fact
you are making that judgement implicitly
but you don't see it, calling their choice
to buy European goods "materialistic".
be materialistic. Yet, given a chance to own
a knife made of steel, versus a sharpened bone
or a sliver of obsidian, most people will
ignore your moralism and take the knife made
of steel.
>>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>>it on children, and not thought there must
>>be a better option.
>
>As if one were wise enough to know what that might be.
> But the
>residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
>right?
Love
Feb 6, 2022, 3:48:28 AM2/6/22
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In article <stm2lc$rt9$1...@dont-email.me>, cud...@mindless.com says...
Ah, the private knowledge argument.
You know, that argument goes all the way to
"you're not me, so you're blind to understanding
what I endure."
It's used as a conversation-stopper only. When
used it means "don't try to have input, just let
me tell you what you need to do for me to give
you any peace."
You know, that argument goes all the way to
"you're not me, so you're blind to understanding
what I endure."
It's used as a conversation-stopper only. When
used it means "don't try to have input, just let
me tell you what you need to do for me to give
you any peace."
Love
Feb 6, 2022, 4:36:19 AM2/6/22
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In article <stma28$dv8$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
My fist raised in an expression of revolutionary
solidarity before I even noticed it!
solidarity before I even noticed it!
Love
Feb 6, 2022, 4:50:14 AM2/6/22
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In article <dd3d95af-7435-4bd4...@googlegroups.com>, sgma...@gmail.com says...
Actually, probably a bit of both. The government
can now change its mind and say it wasn't because
of the protest, but because science. So, it can
send in the police to start writing very expensive
tickets, followed by forced removals of one truck
at a time, while at the same time allowing the
trucker protest organisers to say "all our demands
were met".
Denmark and the UK have already shed all restrictions.
Ontario is on the fast track to doing so as well.
Those are just a few examples. Soon, no one will
want to be caught being seen as the government who
wanted to continue restrictions just because they
could. Omicron is the driver of that in all cases.
What we will need to do, the hard part, is to
dismantle any new powers they arrogated unto
themselves under the guise of emergency. That
will be tougher to do than just getting current
politicians to back down quickly enough to save
their own asses. The "emergency" narrative is
what we need to keep hacking away at. Clearly
it was enough of an emergency to justify some
large coin, so why wasn't that coin thrown at
the most vulnerable where some 85% of all
covid fatalities occured? That needs to be
hammered at constantly, IMO, so that peole will
remember it for decades.
can now change its mind and say it wasn't because
of the protest, but because science. So, it can
send in the police to start writing very expensive
tickets, followed by forced removals of one truck
at a time, while at the same time allowing the
trucker protest organisers to say "all our demands
were met".
Denmark and the UK have already shed all restrictions.
Ontario is on the fast track to doing so as well.
Those are just a few examples. Soon, no one will
want to be caught being seen as the government who
wanted to continue restrictions just because they
could. Omicron is the driver of that in all cases.
What we will need to do, the hard part, is to
dismantle any new powers they arrogated unto
themselves under the guise of emergency. That
will be tougher to do than just getting current
politicians to back down quickly enough to save
their own asses. The "emergency" narrative is
what we need to keep hacking away at. Clearly
it was enough of an emergency to justify some
large coin, so why wasn't that coin thrown at
the most vulnerable where some 85% of all
covid fatalities occured? That needs to be
hammered at constantly, IMO, so that peole will
remember it for decades.
liaM
Feb 6, 2022, 5:17:42 AM2/6/22
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Love
Feb 6, 2022, 6:36:38 AM2/6/22
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In article <sto782$3au$1...@dont-email.me>, cud...@mindless.com says...
I start snoring at about 5am these days.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 6, 2022, 9:27:58 AM2/6/22
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>Maybe I just say take your homework assignments
>and put them where the sun don't shine, teacher.
>
>>Yes, their lives were difficult by our standards
>>1) like many otherly cultures also appear to us
>>2) perhaps we have become softies?
>
>Irrelevant. I have described the path of
>disruption of their culture, through trade
>with Europeans. I am not judging them
>inferior for having that culture. In fact
>you are making that judgement implicitly
>but you don't see it, calling their choice
>to buy European goods "materialistic".
materialistic. You not them.
snowmobile or not. As many of us continue to buy the new $1200+
telephones. Are those that do that any happier than the ones who do
not?
>>>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>>>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>>>it on children, and not thought there must
>>>be a better option.
>>
>>As if one were wise enough to know what that might be.
>
>Compassionate enough to try something new.
have that. I hear cries for the what they lost, which feels to them
(perhaps) as too high a cost for our something new.
>> But the
>>residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
>>right?
>
>Duh.
--
Noah Sombrero
Wilson
Feb 6, 2022, 9:28:26 AM2/6/22
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On 2/6/2022 4:36 AM, Love wrote:
> In article <stma28$dv8$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>> On 2/5/2022 11:41 AM, DMB wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 09:37:27 UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> THE NWO has no room on earth for societies willing (and succeeding at)
>>>>> independence from global citizenship.
>>>
>>>> That's a defining issue for our time.
>>>
>>> When it comes to powerplays, fairness isn't high up on their value system.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLWnTQMwFs
>
> My fist raised in an expression of revolutionary
> solidarity before I even noticed it!
In that case, whatever you do don't watch this:
> In article <stma28$dv8$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>> On 2/5/2022 11:41 AM, DMB wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 09:37:27 UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> THE NWO has no room on earth for societies willing (and succeeding at)
>>>>> independence from global citizenship.
>>>
>>>> That's a defining issue for our time.
>>>
>>> When it comes to powerplays, fairness isn't high up on their value system.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLWnTQMwFs
>
> My fist raised in an expression of revolutionary
> solidarity before I even noticed it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGw4Ak7m2hY
Wilson
Feb 6, 2022, 11:23:54 AM2/6/22
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Wilson
Feb 6, 2022, 11:35:25 AM2/6/22
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On 2/4/2022 6:59 PM, liaM wrote:
> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>
>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>> disdain for the working class?
>
> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
Nate Big Bull, a construction worker from the Blackfoot Confederacy in
> On 2/4/2022 11:21 PM, Love wrote:
>>
>> Why "ruling classes"? Why do you have such
>> disdain for the working class?
>
> Working classes like you are the ruling class, dummy.
southern Alberta, would like a word.
https://youtu.be/7ZtdSYbhf-0?t=251
Noah Sombrero
Feb 6, 2022, 11:50:11 AM2/6/22
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corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
--
Noah Sombrero
liaM
Feb 6, 2022, 1:04:04 PM2/6/22
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Wilson
Feb 6, 2022, 2:13:20 PM2/6/22
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and attempts to use force, that's what you might get.
Wilson
Feb 6, 2022, 3:12:29 PM2/6/22
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On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>
>
> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
it's their Ottawa too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kT3ArVJ5bc
Noah Sombrero
Feb 6, 2022, 3:30:22 PM2/6/22
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--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 6, 2022, 3:31:45 PM2/6/22
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 15:12:26 -0500, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>
>> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
>> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
>> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
>> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
>> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
>> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
>
>
>It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
Yes, that is who I was talking about.
>On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>
>> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
>> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
>> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
>> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
>> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
>> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
>
>
>It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
--
Noah Sombrero
Wilson
Feb 6, 2022, 3:58:40 PM2/6/22
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Maybe he could try talking to them instead of smearing them?
Noah Sombrero
Feb 6, 2022, 4:47:42 PM2/6/22
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>Maybe he could try talking to them instead of smearing them?
their wish, even though medical issues in canada are provincial
matters. Trudy can't tell Ford (the premier of ontario) what to do
about covid restrictions. And for ottowa, the occupation of downtown
ottowa is a city matter.
So ottowa has declared an emergency. Who knows, that might go
somewhere. Bring in reservist military, head em up and move em out.
Or something.
--
Noah Sombrero
Love
Feb 7, 2022, 8:14:27 AM2/7/22
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In article <stolu8$atp$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
Thanks for the warning. I avoided watching it,
and therefore avoided feeling my heart skip a
beat and my eyes become a little blurry at the
drama of, you know, whatever it was.
and therefore avoided feeling my heart skip a
beat and my eyes become a little blurry at the
drama of, you know, whatever it was.
Love
Feb 7, 2022, 8:43:49 AM2/7/22
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Wilson
Feb 7, 2022, 9:50:27 AM2/7/22
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crossing the border be vaxed. That's not provincial.
You want to bring in the military to use it against Canadian citizens?
And what happens when, not if, they resist?
Noah: "Playing with fire looks like fun!"
Love
Feb 7, 2022, 10:05:18 AM2/7/22
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In article <stpa3c$gbo$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
Nice find.
There went the idea that businesses are being hurt
by the protest: a lineup outside Timmies, shawarma
stand surrounded by customers.
I loved seeing a few Quebec flags there too. And
some American ones, but not many, and I think I
even saw an Australian flag.
Also calling CBC "narrative twisting weiners" was
good.
And seeing farmers coming in with tractors now.
Kids playing street hockey.
And people bringing in diesel fuel on wagons.
Imagine when the weather gets warmer.
If Trudeau tries to go Tianamen on this, he will
force me to show up. Apparently the military has
already told him "no".
There went the idea that businesses are being hurt
by the protest: a lineup outside Timmies, shawarma
stand surrounded by customers.
I loved seeing a few Quebec flags there too. And
some American ones, but not many, and I think I
even saw an Australian flag.
Also calling CBC "narrative twisting weiners" was
good.
And seeing farmers coming in with tractors now.
Kids playing street hockey.
And people bringing in diesel fuel on wagons.
Imagine when the weather gets warmer.
If Trudeau tries to go Tianamen on this, he will
force me to show up. Apparently the military has
already told him "no".
Noah Sombrero
Feb 7, 2022, 11:04:28 AM2/7/22
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restrictions removed.
>You want to bring in the military to use it against Canadian citizens?
>And what happens when, not if, they resist?
popular sympathy for the truckers. The military thing was a sorta
whatif. I suspect that between the city, the province and the rcmp,
enough cops can be found to manage the situation given some leader
with sufficient balls to step up. Next step, if necessary, the mayor
asks the premier for help.
>Noah: "Playing with fire looks like fun!"
elections should be a "firerockets in sight" moment for you.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 7, 2022, 11:06:53 AM2/7/22
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:05:15 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <stpa3c$gbo$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>
>>> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
>>> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
>>> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
>>> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
>>> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
>>> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
>>
>>
>>It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
>>it's their Ottawa too:
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kT3ArVJ5bc
>
>Nice find.
>
>There went the idea that businesses are being hurt
>by the protest: a lineup outside Timmies, shawarma
>stand surrounded by customers.
Sure, fast food would sell well in this situation. Do you think there
>In article <stpa3c$gbo$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>
>>> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
>>> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
>>> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
>>> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
>>> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
>>> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
>>
>>
>>It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
>>it's their Ottawa too:
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kT3ArVJ5bc
>
>Nice find.
>
>There went the idea that businesses are being hurt
>by the protest: a lineup outside Timmies, shawarma
>stand surrounded by customers.
might be other kinds of businesses in downtown ottowa?
>I loved seeing a few Quebec flags there too. And
>some American ones, but not many, and I think I
>even saw an Australian flag.
>
>Also calling CBC "narrative twisting weiners" was
>good.
>
>And seeing farmers coming in with tractors now.
>
>Kids playing street hockey.
>
>And people bringing in diesel fuel on wagons.
>
>Imagine when the weather gets warmer.
>
>If Trudeau tries to go Tianamen on this, he will
>force me to show up. Apparently the military has
>already told him "no".
--
Noah Sombrero
Feb 7, 2022, 11:11:24 AM2/7/22
to
On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:05:15 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>, he will
>force me to show up. Apparently the military has
>already told him "no".
--
Wilson
Feb 7, 2022, 2:24:52 PM2/7/22
to
https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/397878/397878_619a2y6esxyiwxq.jpeg
Wilson
Feb 7, 2022, 2:28:20 PM2/7/22
to
On 2/7/2022 10:05 AM, Love wrote:
https://youtu.be/UpVzlIneWns
Noah Sombrero
Feb 7, 2022, 3:04:45 PM2/7/22
to
still get tarred as if he had.
It is true that trudy has lifted several faulty fingers in the past,
but they are long forgotten. The thing is, I think, that adventurers
see that he has survived those past faulty fingers, so forget them.
But here is a brand new opportunity for a fresh chance that he will do
something that he will not survive. Adventurers gather round and hope
for real fireworks this time.
--
Noah Sombrero
Love
Feb 8, 2022, 1:11:03 AM2/8/22
to
In article <strbjh$jo7$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
Approved.
Last I heard the military wanted no part of it. Trudeau
is out of his element dealing with any grievances from
the grass roots. He has relied heavily on a demographic
that identifies with him, and the divide-and-conquer game
that the Conservatives have allowed him to win by not
making any principled concessions to our times of their
own. Trudeau may yet win, because omicron is changing
the game so quickly he will be able to back down on the
border requirments, with Biden in agreement, without ever
acknowledging the truckers. Even if he does win, he is
now bloodied by showing his disdain for the working
class, and he is in a minority parliament, having lost
the popular vote to the Conservatives in 2021.
Last I heard the military wanted no part of it. Trudeau
is out of his element dealing with any grievances from
the grass roots. He has relied heavily on a demographic
that identifies with him, and the divide-and-conquer game
that the Conservatives have allowed him to win by not
making any principled concessions to our times of their
own. Trudeau may yet win, because omicron is changing
the game so quickly he will be able to back down on the
border requirments, with Biden in agreement, without ever
acknowledging the truckers. Even if he does win, he is
now bloodied by showing his disdain for the working
class, and he is in a minority parliament, having lost
the popular vote to the Conservatives in 2021.
Love
Feb 8, 2022, 1:27:34 AM2/8/22
to
In article <strrm2$jco$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
New to us, and we both cackled heartily. Time to
circulate it again.
circulate it again.
Love
Feb 8, 2022, 1:43:00 AM2/8/22
to
In article <strrsb$jco$2...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWMoPPU0wKc
Love
Feb 8, 2022, 2:00:52 AM2/8/22
to
In article <aqg20hhh3mqdesoul...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
>On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:05:15 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <stpa3c$gbo$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>>On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
>>>> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
>>>> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
>>>> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
>>>> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
>>>> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
>>>
>>>
>>>It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
>>>it's their Ottawa too:
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kT3ArVJ5bc
>>
>>Nice find.
>>
>>There went the idea that businesses are being hurt
>>by the protest: a lineup outside Timmies, shawarma
>>stand surrounded by customers.
>
>Sure, fast food would sell well in this situation. Do you think there
>might be other kinds of businesses in downtown ottowa?
Golly, I couldn't think of that on my own.
>
>>In article <stpa3c$gbo$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>>On 2/6/2022 11:50 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In my case. rather than wanting to crush it, it looks to me like the
>>>> corp/politicos gave it almost two weeks, and now it seems that people
>>>> generally simply want them to go home, and perhaps realize that they
>>>> don't get what they want simply because they drive huge trucks. And
>>>> let us have ottawa back. What I hear from people personally is, why
>>>> can't the politicians bring themselves to do anything about this?
>>>
>>>
>>>It's not just about the truckers any more. Real people, on the street,
>>>it's their Ottawa too:
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kT3ArVJ5bc
>>
>>Nice find.
>>
>>There went the idea that businesses are being hurt
>>by the protest: a lineup outside Timmies, shawarma
>>stand surrounded by customers.
>
>Sure, fast food would sell well in this situation. Do you think there
>might be other kinds of businesses in downtown ottowa?
Love
Feb 8, 2022, 2:01:48 AM2/8/22
to
In article <h3h20h1gvucslt84s...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Sure, but we know he *wants* to do it.
Love
Feb 8, 2022, 2:25:51 AM2/8/22
to
In article <m7mvvgpmtogo4b54c...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
>On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 03:36:45 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <2uurvgptcb728qibt...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st
>>says...
>>>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 23:08:34 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <pfhrvg5s72stmq7n6...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st
>>>>says...
>>>>>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 17:55:19 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <h53rvgdlf8gsrbqef...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st
>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 14:50:38 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>>>>>>>>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>>>>>>>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>>>>>>>>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th
>>>>>>>>>>> century.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your logic is heartless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>>>>>>>>>expect them to see yours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>>>>>>>>>from their parents against their will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>>>>>>>>before they starve to death,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably not the case in this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is that the truth or your guess from your news
>>>>>>universe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was the case then?
>>>>>
>>>>>The way I hear it, indigenous culture provided for their needs. The
>>>>>effort was to extinguish that culture, in effect making them dependant
>>>>>on canadian society (providing as little as possible), and freeing
>>>>>their lands for whatever use canadians wanted to make of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Left to themselves, there is every reason to suspect that they would
>>>>>have cared for their children, as all races do.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is, if they are not torn from their homelands and shipped across
>>>>>the ocean and sold into slavery, or something. When parents start
>>>>>feeling that they have nothing to offer their children but the same
>>>>>torment they endure, things can get twisted.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is also true that every race produces a few individuals who can
>>>>>rise above it all and make a decent life for themselves regardless.
>>>>>This little town has a practicing female lawyer born on the nearby
>>>>>reserve, for instance. Most people are not capable of that kind of
>>>>>transformation.
>>>>
>>>>Indigenous culture "provided for the needs"
>>>>of all surviving indigenous peoples
>>>>everywhere, obviously. Some had terrible
>>>>disease problems, and terrible war problems,
>>>>and terrible famine problems, but they
>>>>survived so their needs must have been "met"
>>>>by definition. That's not a high bar.
>>>
>>>You'd be surprised, apparently. There was trade between eu and na
>>>in those days, greenland appears to have been sort of a hub. And then
>>>south into central america. Illinois/Indiana appears to have been an
>>>indian style urban sorta center. Once upon a distant time.
>>>
>>>Read some Joseph Boyden, then maybe sample some histories.
>
>Understood, you really don't want to know what happened.
>
>>Maybe I just say take your homework assignments
>>and put them where the sun don't shine, teacher.
>>
>>>Yes, their lives were difficult by our standards
>>>1) like many otherly cultures also appear to us
>>>2) perhaps we have become softies?
>>
>>Irrelevant. I have described the path of
>>disruption of their culture, through trade
>>with Europeans. I am not judging them
>>inferior for having that culture. In fact
>>you are making that judgement implicitly
>>but you don't see it, calling their choice
>>to buy European goods "materialistic".
>
>No, I called your description of their relative well being
>materialistic. You not them.
>
>>>>And clearly, indigenous people themselves
>>>>chose to trade for things their own culture
>>>>lacked, like metal and woven goods, and
>>>>sometimes even wheels. Perhaps our
>>>>European ancestors should have had the
>>>>wisdom to see how trading with such peoples
>>>>would disrupt their cultures irreparably,
>>>>and decided to not trade at all. Perhaps
>>>>Indigenous ancestors should have seen that
>>>>coming too, and refused to trade as well.
>>>>
>>>>Both are guilty of choosing opportunity
>>>>instead of caution.
>>>>
>>>>Imagine the power imbalances a few metal
>>>>items like axes and knives and traps would
>>>>have created for technologically stone age
>>>>peoples. Imbalances that would need to be
>>>>corrected by others also trading for such
>>>>things, or making other deals with the
>>>>foreign devils (like for territory and/or
>>>>military manpower to be deployed against
>>>>enemies, even other indigenous people).
>>>>
>>>>No, the mess is ordinary and very human, not
>>>>the consequence of bad actors (colonialists)
>>>>versus good actors (indigenous). Only the
>>>>non-discovery of the Americas by more
>>>>technologically advanced cultures could have
>>>>prevented it, but in any case, it wasn't
>>>>idyllic even left alone. It was harsh beyond
>>>>comprehension. No one in his right mind
>>>>would have turned down a few knives, axes,
>>>>guns or snowmobiles to give him a leg up in
>>>>those circumstances. And no fair person
>>>>would have turned him down and said "trust
>>>>me, you will be better off without these
>>>>goods" because he would have known the
>>>>advantages of them himself.
>>>
>>>A very materialistic outlook. Having a snowmobile is no assurance of
>>>a good life. It is like the us thinking that the world needs to
>>>emulate us style democracy, as if it were so perfect after all.
>>
>>Oh, "materialistic", how rotten of anyone to
>>be materialistic. Yet, given a chance to own
>>a knife made of steel, versus a sharpened bone
>>or a sliver of obsidian, most people will
>>ignore your moralism and take the knife made
>>of steel.
>
>How silly to think that somebody's well being depends on owning a
>snowmobile or not. As many of us continue to buy the new $1200+
>telephones. Are those that do that any happier than the ones who do
>not?
Ass. You know very well that I was extending
a history of trade from simple things like
knives and then guns into the present.
>>>>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>>>>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>>>>it on children, and not thought there must
>>>>be a better option.
>>>
>>>As if one were wise enough to know what that might be.
>>
>>Compassionate enough to try something new.
>
>I don't hear cries from them for access to our something new. They
>have that. I hear cries for the what they lost, which feels to them
>(perhaps) as too high a cost for our something new.
Right now, clean water is a big issue, but we
are funding investigations into the hypothesised
residential school mass graves(or negotiations on
the terms that such investigations may take place
under). Can we do two things at once? Yes.
Will the government pay attention to the headline
grabbing issue and ignore the other if it can?
Yes.
>>> But the
>>>residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
>>>right?
>>
>>Duh.
>
>Oh, good, you did know that.
Ass.
>On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 03:36:45 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <2uurvgptcb728qibt...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st
>>says...
>>>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 23:08:34 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <pfhrvg5s72stmq7n6...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st
>>>>says...
>>>>>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 17:55:19 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <h53rvgdlf8gsrbqef...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st
>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 14:50:38 -0500, Love <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <stjjun$3vg$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>>>>>>>>>On 2/4/2022 8:16 AM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2022 2:05 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2022 3:37 PM, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is not in dispute is that 150,000 kids were forced to attend
>>>>>>>>>>>> boarding schools in what can be rightly called a policy aimed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve a cultural genocide by the Canadian government, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> was only stopped in the '90s.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From another point of view, they were lifting those kids out of
>>>>>>>>>>> generational poverty and helping their people into the 20th
>>>>>>>>>>> century.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your logic is heartless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's only a point of view. If you're unable to see it, why would you
>>>>>>>>>expect them to see yours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I actually agree with you that it was heartless to take the kids away
>>>>>>>>>from their parents against their will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What about taking neglected kids away from parents
>>>>>>>>before they starve to death,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably not the case in this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is that the truth or your guess from your news
>>>>>>universe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was the case then?
>>>>>
>>>>>The way I hear it, indigenous culture provided for their needs. The
>>>>>effort was to extinguish that culture, in effect making them dependant
>>>>>on canadian society (providing as little as possible), and freeing
>>>>>their lands for whatever use canadians wanted to make of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Left to themselves, there is every reason to suspect that they would
>>>>>have cared for their children, as all races do.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is, if they are not torn from their homelands and shipped across
>>>>>the ocean and sold into slavery, or something. When parents start
>>>>>feeling that they have nothing to offer their children but the same
>>>>>torment they endure, things can get twisted.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is also true that every race produces a few individuals who can
>>>>>rise above it all and make a decent life for themselves regardless.
>>>>>This little town has a practicing female lawyer born on the nearby
>>>>>reserve, for instance. Most people are not capable of that kind of
>>>>>transformation.
>>>>
>>>>Indigenous culture "provided for the needs"
>>>>of all surviving indigenous peoples
>>>>everywhere, obviously. Some had terrible
>>>>disease problems, and terrible war problems,
>>>>and terrible famine problems, but they
>>>>survived so their needs must have been "met"
>>>>by definition. That's not a high bar.
>>>
>>>You'd be surprised, apparently. There was trade between eu and na
>>>in those days, greenland appears to have been sort of a hub. And then
>>>south into central america. Illinois/Indiana appears to have been an
>>>indian style urban sorta center. Once upon a distant time.
>>>
>>>Read some Joseph Boyden, then maybe sample some histories.
>
>Understood, you really don't want to know what happened.
>
>>Maybe I just say take your homework assignments
>>and put them where the sun don't shine, teacher.
>>
>>>Yes, their lives were difficult by our standards
>>>1) like many otherly cultures also appear to us
>>>2) perhaps we have become softies?
>>
>>Irrelevant. I have described the path of
>>disruption of their culture, through trade
>>with Europeans. I am not judging them
>>inferior for having that culture. In fact
>>you are making that judgement implicitly
>>but you don't see it, calling their choice
>>to buy European goods "materialistic".
>
>No, I called your description of their relative well being
>materialistic. You not them.
>
>>>>And clearly, indigenous people themselves
>>>>chose to trade for things their own culture
>>>>lacked, like metal and woven goods, and
>>>>sometimes even wheels. Perhaps our
>>>>European ancestors should have had the
>>>>wisdom to see how trading with such peoples
>>>>would disrupt their cultures irreparably,
>>>>and decided to not trade at all. Perhaps
>>>>Indigenous ancestors should have seen that
>>>>coming too, and refused to trade as well.
>>>>
>>>>Both are guilty of choosing opportunity
>>>>instead of caution.
>>>>
>>>>Imagine the power imbalances a few metal
>>>>items like axes and knives and traps would
>>>>have created for technologically stone age
>>>>peoples. Imbalances that would need to be
>>>>corrected by others also trading for such
>>>>things, or making other deals with the
>>>>foreign devils (like for territory and/or
>>>>military manpower to be deployed against
>>>>enemies, even other indigenous people).
>>>>
>>>>No, the mess is ordinary and very human, not
>>>>the consequence of bad actors (colonialists)
>>>>versus good actors (indigenous). Only the
>>>>non-discovery of the Americas by more
>>>>technologically advanced cultures could have
>>>>prevented it, but in any case, it wasn't
>>>>idyllic even left alone. It was harsh beyond
>>>>comprehension. No one in his right mind
>>>>would have turned down a few knives, axes,
>>>>guns or snowmobiles to give him a leg up in
>>>>those circumstances. And no fair person
>>>>would have turned him down and said "trust
>>>>me, you will be better off without these
>>>>goods" because he would have known the
>>>>advantages of them himself.
>>>
>>>A very materialistic outlook. Having a snowmobile is no assurance of
>>>a good life. It is like the us thinking that the world needs to
>>>emulate us style democracy, as if it were so perfect after all.
>>
>>Oh, "materialistic", how rotten of anyone to
>>be materialistic. Yet, given a chance to own
>>a knife made of steel, versus a sharpened bone
>>or a sliver of obsidian, most people will
>>ignore your moralism and take the knife made
>>of steel.
>
>How silly to think that somebody's well being depends on owning a
>snowmobile or not. As many of us continue to buy the new $1200+
>telephones. Are those that do that any happier than the ones who do
>not?
Ass. You know very well that I was extending
a history of trade from simple things like
knives and then guns into the present.
>>>>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>>>>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>>>>it on children, and not thought there must
>>>>be a better option.
>>>
>>>As if one were wise enough to know what that might be.
>>
>>Compassionate enough to try something new.
>
>I don't hear cries from them for access to our something new. They
>have that. I hear cries for the what they lost, which feels to them
>(perhaps) as too high a cost for our something new.
Right now, clean water is a big issue, but we
are funding investigations into the hypothesised
residential school mass graves(or negotiations on
the terms that such investigations may take place
under). Can we do two things at once? Yes.
Will the government pay attention to the headline
grabbing issue and ignore the other if it can?
Yes.
>>> But the
>>>residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
>>>right?
>>
>>Duh.
>
>Oh, good, you did know that.
Ass.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 8, 2022, 5:35:43 AM2/8/22
to
> Even if he does win, he is
>now bloodied by showing his disdain for the working
>class, and he is in a minority parliament, having lost
>the popular vote to the Conservatives in 2021.
surely must, when the c's find a marketable candidate.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 8, 2022, 5:36:17 AM2/8/22
to
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 8, 2022, 5:37:32 AM2/8/22
to
certificate to you.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 8, 2022, 5:44:58 AM2/8/22
to
it all feel better, right?
>You know very well that I was extending
>a history of trade from simple things like
>knives and then guns into the present.
metaphor holds. But sure, it is now easier to skin a walrus and get
the hide to a trader. Life is otherwise is much as it has been for
thousands of years.
>>>>>And nobody with a heart could have seen the
>>>>>cultural devastation and the consequences of
>>>>>it on children, and not thought there must
>>>>>be a better option.
>>>>
>>>>As if one were wise enough to know what that might be.
>>>
>>>Compassionate enough to try something new.
>>
>>I don't hear cries from them for access to our something new. They
>>have that. I hear cries for the what they lost, which feels to them
>>(perhaps) as too high a cost for our something new.
>
>Right now, clean water is a big issue, but we
>are funding investigations into the hypothesised
>residential school mass graves(or negotiations on
>the terms that such investigations may take place
>under). Can we do two things at once? Yes.
>Will the government pay attention to the headline
>grabbing issue and ignore the other if it can?
>
>Yes.
issue too.
>>>> But the
>>>>residential school uproar is about a lot more than learning things,
>>>>right?
>>>
>>>Duh.
>>
>>Oh, good, you did know that.
>
>Ass.
--
Noah Sombrero
Wilson
Feb 8, 2022, 11:51:57 AM2/8/22
to
should, as his lies about the people involved in the protest completely
undermines his position. He is a proven liar, and a divider.
Wilson
Feb 8, 2022, 12:26:42 PM2/8/22
to
Noah Sombrero
Feb 8, 2022, 1:37:56 PM2/8/22
to
which you have a very different opinion.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Feb 8, 2022, 1:53:48 PM2/8/22
to
On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 13:37:54 -0500, Noah Sombrero <fed...@fea.st>
wrote:
Do you agree to disagree?
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
--
Noah Sombrero
liaM
Feb 8, 2022, 2:14:43 PM2/8/22
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Love
Feb 9, 2022, 9:32:49 AM2/9/22
to
In article <stu73c$558$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
So you're chanting "lock him up"? ;)
Liars and dividers are common in democratic politics.
There is a chance he could be forced to resign, but
I don't think he would do it. I think he is vain
enough to think he could power through it. It all
depends on whether his party agrees with him or not.
I think they will wait until after the Conservatives
have chosen a new leader.
My sense is that most people are not parsing the
convoy protest very kindly. They are buying the
story that it's just a bunch of American/Christian
funded anti-vaxxers, who are stupid. What may come
of this is the now readily-available snippets of
Trudeau and his contempt for working class people
on display. That will help the Conservatives in the
next election.
Liars and dividers are common in democratic politics.
There is a chance he could be forced to resign, but
I don't think he would do it. I think he is vain
enough to think he could power through it. It all
depends on whether his party agrees with him or not.
I think they will wait until after the Conservatives
have chosen a new leader.
My sense is that most people are not parsing the
convoy protest very kindly. They are buying the
story that it's just a bunch of American/Christian
funded anti-vaxxers, who are stupid. What may come
of this is the now readily-available snippets of
Trudeau and his contempt for working class people
on display. That will help the Conservatives in the
next election.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 9, 2022, 9:52:58 AM2/9/22
to
>My sense is that most people are not parsing the
>convoy protest very kindly. They are buying the
>story that it's just a bunch of American/Christian
>funded anti-vaxxers, who are stupid.
>What may come
>of this is the now readily-available snippets of
>Trudeau and his contempt for working class people
>on display.
are thinking, I suspect.
>That will help the Conservatives in the next election.
have not yet forgotten. Give them a few more years.
--
Noah Sombrero
Love
Feb 9, 2022, 9:58:13 AM2/9/22
to
In article <rnh40htnhctcuts5q...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
I'm actually hoping for that despite having been a
left-centrist my whole life. Counting provincial and
federal elections, I think I've voted Conservative
twice. I helped Justin into power twice. Green
and NDP probably twice each. All the rest of the
time I am painfully Liberal.
left-centrist my whole life. Counting provincial and
federal elections, I think I've voted Conservative
twice. I helped Justin into power twice. Green
and NDP probably twice each. All the rest of the
time I am painfully Liberal.
Love
Feb 9, 2022, 10:03:07 AM2/9/22
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In article <s2i40hlvl7koh9gc0...@4ax.com>, fed...@fea.st says...
Just being honest with you Noah. You
deliberately misconstrue things in order
to make some kind of fatuous declaration
like (in this case) "how silly to think
somebody's wellbeing depends on owning a
snowmobile" then you get what you get
for your effort.
deliberately misconstrue things in order
to make some kind of fatuous declaration
like (in this case) "how silly to think
somebody's wellbeing depends on owning a
snowmobile" then you get what you get
for your effort.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 9, 2022, 10:08:56 AM2/9/22
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objects is what your statement suggested to me. Then I could
understand, perhaps, that you did not actually mean that.
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Noah Sombrero
Ned
Feb 9, 2022, 11:20:25 AM2/9/22
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On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 6:32:49 AM UTC-8, Love wrote:
> In article <stu73c$558$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
> >
> In article <stu73c$558$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
> >
> >It sounds like you don't think he will be forced to resign. I think he
> >should, as his lies about the people involved in the protest completely
> >undermines his position. He is a proven liar, and a divider.
> So you're chanting "lock him up"? ;)
>
> Liars and dividers are common in democratic politics.
>
> There is a chance he could be forced to resign, but
> I don't think he would do it. I think he is vain
> enough to think he could power through it. It all
> depends on whether his party agrees with him or not.
> I think they will wait until after the Conservatives
> have chosen a new leader.
>
> My sense is that most people are not parsing the
> convoy protest very kindly. They are buying the
> story that it's just a bunch of American/Christian
> funded anti-vaxxers, who are stupid. What may come
> of this is the now readily-available snippets of
> Trudeau and his contempt for working class people
> on display. That will help the Conservatives in the
> next election.
> --
> Love
>
Interesting. I will say this. In every film clip I've seen of
> >should, as his lies about the people involved in the protest completely
> >undermines his position. He is a proven liar, and a divider.
> So you're chanting "lock him up"? ;)
>
> Liars and dividers are common in democratic politics.
>
> There is a chance he could be forced to resign, but
> I don't think he would do it. I think he is vain
> enough to think he could power through it. It all
> depends on whether his party agrees with him or not.
> I think they will wait until after the Conservatives
> have chosen a new leader.
>
> My sense is that most people are not parsing the
> convoy protest very kindly. They are buying the
> story that it's just a bunch of American/Christian
> funded anti-vaxxers, who are stupid. What may come
> of this is the now readily-available snippets of
> Trudeau and his contempt for working class people
> on display. That will help the Conservatives in the
> next election.
> --
> Love
>
truckers in the protest, both in clips posted here and in
clips on the evening news, none of those interviewed
had a Canadian accent. NONE. Nor did they have a
New York or 'eastern' accent - just a flat American
accent.
Ned
Wilson
Feb 9, 2022, 11:24:38 AM2/9/22
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steel axe in place of stone spear tips wouldn't dramatically affect
one's health and happiness is as ignorant a take as I've ever seen.
Living on the edge of starvation isn't conducive to any type of being.
Noah Sombrero
Feb 9, 2022, 11:54:26 AM2/9/22
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and clark's record where they describe a countryside filled with game.
The fact that it doesn't appear that way now, could give you some idea
of the destruction that modern humans have caused.
--
Noah Sombrero
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