Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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Wilson

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Oct 15, 2021, 5:05:20 PMOct 15
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https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101

Summary: Easier for the bureaucrats, and the vax might be better than
natural, but maybe not.

Love

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Oct 16, 2021, 9:22:09 AMOct 16
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In article <skcqee$sof$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
>https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101
>
>Summary: Easier for the bureaucrats, and the vax might be better than
>natural, but maybe not.

As we suspected, eh?

I am not totally against the reasoning "because
it makes life easier for the bureaucrats". Gains
in efficiency are almost a good on their own.

However, when it is the case that only slightly
better planning would have obviated the need for
vaccinations among the unvaccinated, and in fact
released an essentially invulnerable group of
medical workers back into the workforce, I have
to call "foul". That's breaking the trust I
grant to those specialists and bureaucrats to
govern with wisdom and _respect for the governed_.

I don't believe that it would have been an odious
burden on them to have anticipated the need for
a database and have it in place early. It's not
even like the idea hadn't occurred to anyone.

When the bar I have set for you to earn my trust
is already pretty low and forgiving, you live up
to it if you want my cooperation. It isn't a
game. You don't spend your time finding out how
much you can push the bar lower. I'll feel you
pushing and raise it higher, not just give you
your way.

That's how I would hope all citizens view their
relationships with their governments. It's a
bit utopian of me to actually expect it, I
suppose, but that's no reason for me to let it
go personally.


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Wilson

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Oct 16, 2021, 11:05:58 AMOct 16
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Agreed. The relationships between government and governed are not to be
set unilaterally by the government. But I'd go further (of course) and
say you should definitely *expect* it to be on terms set by the public.
And if they repeatedly let you down in that respect, I'd regard the
relationship as broken.

The permanent administrative state here in the US continues to act as
though diktats from on high are enough of a reason for the public to do
whatever the government says should be done. And pushing harder with
hard words and increasing coercion seems to be their favorite path.

Love

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Oct 17, 2021, 6:14:18 AMOct 17
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In article <skepok$l3n$1...@dont-email.me>, Wil...@nowhere.net says...
Same here.

Glad you got my meaning, because I erroneously
said "vaccinations among the unvaccinated" when
I meant "vaccinations among the recovered".

Rob Ford (aka the "crack mayor") ran successfully
on "respect for taxpayers". I think today even
"respect for citizens" would work.

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Noah Sombrero

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Oct 17, 2021, 7:41:06 AMOct 17
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Or perhaps something about the person himself. Throw ford's brother
as premier and the current mayor of toronto. What are the parallels?
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Wilson

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:32:35 AMOct 17
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"Respect for citizens"? Have you no care for the poor immigrants who
come to our countries bereft of citizenship, property and income? Who's
only crime is to want to be a part of our growing multicultural rainbow
of life?

How dare you. How dare you sir!

Noah Sombrero

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:38:02 AMOct 17
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An unnecessary leap perhaps.
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Kentucky Jelly Buddha

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:40:13 PMOct 17
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On 10/17/2021 10:32 AM, Wilson wrote:
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> "Respect for citizens"?  Have you no care for the poor immigrants who
> come to our countries bereft of citizenship, property and income?  Who's
> only crime is to want to be a part of our growing multicultural rainbow
> of life?
>
> How dare you.  How dare you sir!

I am always tempted to ask, "How many of these people have
you invited into your home?"

It is a very attractive thing to be generous with other
people's money and property.

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Kentucky Jelly Buddha
Making Leek Insertion Easy Since 1904
Van Horn and Sawtell Co. of New York City
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