New Land Buddhist Order
Sari Ellen Stiles
>
> Surely a master would walk in teh door, look silly adn be serenely unaware of
> it?
>
No, a master walks in the door,
Looks silly,
Laughs,
and Is serenely AWARE of it!
Atanu Dey
: Look, dude! How many times do I have to tell you?
: DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!
Shirley you're joking.
Atanu
Padma Bhumi
, why? maybe a verse from the dhammapada would help to explain the discord here
in this subject heading...
As an elephant endures the arrows of battle, I will patiently endure harsh
words. For such is the way of the world: Human beings are often cruel.
Just as the well-trained elephant lets the king mount him and ride him into
the fray, so does the well-disciplined man, the best of men, patiently endure
harsh words.
where is the practice of loving kindness here? from one i read 'i love you'....
from the other i read that love turned into an arrow that is turned to draw
blood. argument is good, beneficial if practiced on the base of compassion
but attack is harmful for the attacker, yet offers opportunities for the
one who is the object of attack to practice. still, it would be nice if the
attackee did not have such an opportunity.
peace......... padma
Riesgo Luis
Nice conviction.
Riesgo Luis
>He hasn't denied having given himself the name "Lama Kunga Rinpoche" on
>Prodigy; he implies that he did such a thing when he refers to "trivialities
>regarding an AOL handle." Is it trivial to inaccurately refer to oneself
>as a Lama or Rinpoche? Is it (as Konchog seems to imply) evidence of a
>defect of character? I don't know, I'm just a poor excuse for a dabbler
>in Zen. But it would seem to me to be a big deal, and a bad sign that a
>person would shrug off such an action as a "trivialit[y]."
Why should i not deny it....
First of all Konchog is taking this all out of context, first of all, years ago
he asked me why i used the name
"lama Kunga Rinpoche" and i told him that
His Holliness Sakya Trizen once affectionally called me that when i was with
him, not that it was actually my "title"
...........for me it was an expression of a loving "nickname" His Holiness
once called me.
So i used it on as a handle for 1 week, that was all....Now in terms of being a
"Lama", I do have all the qualifications of one, and hence could be called Lama.
So still there is no un-truth on my part.........I really only teach Mahayana
and basic meditational practices.
Jacob H. Hamm
>where is the practice of loving kindness here? from one i read 'i love you'....
>from the other i read that love turned into an arrow that is turned to draw
>blood. argument is good, beneficial if practiced on the base of compassion
>but attack is harmful for the attacker, yet offers opportunities for the
>one who is the object of attack to practice. still, it would be nice if the
>attackee did not have such an opportunity.
>
words full of compassion and concern. Rather than addressing those
concerns and respecting the compassion, there were love coated barbs
and honeyed character attacks. Then you post well considered toughtful
posts.
I look forward to seeing more of your posts, but I think a rose has
grown out of the shit.
Jay
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Actually, I never asked about his use of the titles, I had just gotten on
to prodigy, and was in the middle of a thread where Luis was trying to
bluff hi way through a group of people that he assumed would have no
knowledge of the Tibetan tradition. He did nt say that it was a
nick-name (Rinpche) he claimed that H.H. Sakya Trizin had given him this
title, and was in the middle of explaining how anyon could receive this
title if they underwent some minimal retreats (Mind you, this is the
title 'Rinpoche', not 'Lama' that we're taling about.) I jumped in the
middle of his shit there, just like I did here, the only difference being
that then he had the good sense t go away. He probable doesn't even
remember who I am (This was in the pre-monastic days, goin' by another
name...NOT Alex.) Please notice... he never made any posts about his new
"group" on the Tibetan Sub, where it might be more "appropriate" and
appreciated, no, because he knew they'd see through him. He was
attempting to snow some people on what he thought was a related, but not
too informed sub. Sorry, but he's lied AND insulted Sari, and now he's
pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Buddhist monk, Drikung Kagyu
kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu
Robert R. Schneck
...
>too informed sub. Sorry, but he's lied AND insulted Sari, and now he's
>pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
Hug...
My one thought for all of you is: compassion...
Schneck
Robert R. Schneck
>
>I look forward to seeing more of your posts, but I think a rose has
>grown out of the shit.
If Buddhism could be said to have a goal, I think it would be to grow a
rose out of the shit.
:),
Schneck
Ned Ludd
one of us:
> He was attempting to snow some people on what he thought was a related,
Looks like he's got 'El Dupree' written all over him, right?
Ned
Riesgo Luis
I have you folks know., there is not one mis-represntation that i have made so
far, and this personal attacking is verging on Liable.
You are spreading mis-truths and exagerations about me Konchog.
Your of Kagyupa, and i respect that lineage very much, most of my teachings
come from Sakyapa, and ya know Sakyapa does do things a bit different.
Secondly, i would never say that "rinpoche" is an earned title, why can't you
just let this go Konchog, why must you keep up this personl attacks?
If you persist in this, i would like to contact your dharma center and ask them
what is your problem, and find out if they know
Riesgo Luis
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sh...@world.std.com
Steven Coulter <scou...@unix1.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>I'd like to offer a few thoughts about this Riesgo Luis/tantra/Kunga person.
>...He posted a long piece about (as I recall) honoring one's teachers. It
>struck me as stultifyingly serious and dripping with doctrine and maybe
>even self-importance...
>Basically, I guess I just want to compare notes with other absfg-ers.
>I've found Mr. Luis' posts quite unsettling, and the interchange with
>Konchog alarming. I don't like thinking of another person as being
>devious, yet there are certainly devious (or deluded) souls out there.
>Mr. Berg would seem to be more magnanamous than I. What think other
>absfg-ers?
Stultifyingly serious and dripping with doctrine? Definitely. Alarming?
Naaaah...just another Bozo on the Bus. I think he fits right in...
Barry (and think of the flame wars he'll generate) Wright
sh...@world.std.com
>>
>>where is the practice of loving kindness here? from one i read 'i love you'..
>>blood.
If _saying_ or _writing_ "I love you" had anything to do with loving,
or was in any way indicative of a person's character, we could use
the nation's divorce lawyers as landfill.
Barry (we should anyway) Wright
Jerry Smith
If you leaves roses & shit alone, don't they do it by themselves?
This space deliberately left blank
-*: Jeremy Smith jsm...@cyberstore.ca :*-
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>I have you folks know.,
As the infamous C. Lew has said, if only it were that easy.
>there is not one mis-represntation that i have made so
>far, and this personal attacking is verging on Liable.
I heard somewhere (From Ned Morton-Ludd, I think) that some internet
mailing-list fellow got sued for liable. Seems he said something nasty
about someone or other, and put it into his electronic newsletter, and
the sue-er won! Now the guy can't even post anything contraversial to
a newsgroup. Sigh.
Tread carefully.
>You are spreading mis-truths and exagerations about me Konchog.
Geez, I wish someone would spread a few mistruths and exagerations about
me! Feel lucky, you're among a proud and exclusive group.
>Your of Kagyupa, and i respect that lineage very much, most of my teachings
>come from Sakyapa, and ya know Sakyapa does do things a bit different.
Hey hey hey! None of that "L"-word stuff around here, buddy!
>Secondly, i would never say that "rinpoche" is an earned title, why can't you
>just let this go Konchog, why must you keep up this personl attacks?
Someone help out a poor ig'nerent ferret here... whassa rinpoche?
>If you persist in this, i would like to contact your dharma center and ask them
>what is your problem, and find out if they know
Or you could just ask me! I'm sure I can help. heh heh.
Bill. ("Take no shit, do no harm -- my two vows.")
sh...@world.std.com
>>You are spreading mis-truths and exagerations about me Konchog.
>>what is your problem, and find out if they know
If you don't play according to my rules, I'm gonna tell your lineage on you!
Barry (sorry for using the L-word) Wright
Riesgo Luis
>Yeah, tell 'em I've grown my hair into a long pony tail, wear jeans and
>kick puppies too. Go find a cave somewhere...Finally you have something with some humor in it...that made me smile from ear
to ear.
Christine L. Hughes
>>oughtta be our turn!
Scott Pugh wrote:
>*nods enthusiastically* I think I've seen some other people around
>and about from this area (-----Chris ? and someone posting from Portland
>State ?). We could certainly have a shindig. Picnics are traditional,
That would be sooooo cool!! I've got another 'puter friend in Portland who
keeps bugging me to come down and visit her -- and the only excuse I have is
I have no time :(. The only time I can think of now is Thanksgiving &
Christmas, but I'm pretty booked for the holidays... but if something is
planned, I'll try to make it!!
-----Chris
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Konchog
Sari Ellen Stiles
> He hasn't denied having given himself the name "Lama Kunga Rinpoche" on
> Prodigy; he implies that he did such a thing when he refers to "trivialities
> regarding an AOL handle." Is it trivial to inaccurately refer to oneself
> as a Lama or Rinpoche?
"Bishop" of say "Chicago" likewise even if ONLY as a net handle that
CERTAINLY people would say "The HECK you are..." and to be offended...
likewise someone without being given the title "Reverend" or even "Rebbe"
using it will be, and OUGHT to be called on it... if for no other reason
than it offends (or could offend) those who do have claim to it. (Or are on
their way to earning it by the standard fashion.)
>Is it (as Konchog seems to imply) evidence of a
> defect of character? I don't know, I'm just a poor excuse for a dabbler
> in Zen. But it would seem to me to be a big deal, and a bad sign that a
> person would shrug off such an action as a "trivialit[y]."
Bingo.... and doesn't it look like...well...overblown EGO... to be awarding
oneself a title. I suspect that if/when some of the big guys get net access
we may see them using their mundane names as much or more than tossing their
titles around. Imagine what would happen to an email box titled "Dalai
Lama" ...it'd need it's own server!
> Maybe the Prodigy/AOL name was meant humorously. Maybe pigs have wings.
> He also seems to cast doubt on Konchog's status by putting Konchog's
> self-description as a monk in "quotes."
Konchog can and will verify his lineage.... and it seems obvious to me
(email and voice chats) that Konchog is legit...
> even self-importance. Ripe stuff for well-placed absfg barbs, but few
exactly self-importance, sounds a heck of a lot like the rama thing... which
we don't want to start again...(do we?)
> harpoons seemed to have been aimed at the post. Conscious decisions by
> absfg-ers to ignore the post?
generally, too easy of a target...looks like a trap for another flame
debacle...
> Basically, I guess I just want to compare notes with other absfg-ers.
> I've found Mr. Luis' posts quite unsettling, and the interchange with
> Konchog alarming. I don't like thinking of another person as being
> devious, yet there are certainly devious (or deluded) souls out there.
> Mr. Berg would seem to be more magnanamous than I. What think other
> absfg-ers?
I think My vote goes with Konchog....
I haven't seen so much as a HINT of a clue in the new land folks
yet...
John Neatrou scoulded me (kindly mind you) in email because I
accidentally refered to Tonen as "Roshi"...
"she is NOT..."
and she is his friend, he wanted me to understand that I was being careless
with a rather hefty title.
(I gotta wander over to that Zen center and say "Howdy" one of these days...)
sari
Sari Ellen Stiles
(much old home week stuff snipped...)>
> and about from this area (-----Chris ? and someone posting from Portland
> State ?). We could certainly have a shindig. Picnics are traditional,
>
livingroom, or get a conference room at the student union at Uof Oregon...
(of course it has to include the Buddhist Student Union of Konchog's....)
OR Y'all can use MY living room when I move down the hall in a few weeks...
(more on that later...)
Sari Ellen Stiles
> pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
Ut OH! the monk is pissed off.... (head for the bomb shelters!)
...the only thing I can imagine as MORE alarming would be a pissed off
lama...
In a break from _ShadowRun_ I bounced couple of Buddhajargon terms off
Rayz'r (resident Wiccan/Lord knows what/Shadowrun GM)
"Sangha- one HECK of a Shadow Run team...
We'll let the Lamas be the mages since
they are anyway."
Sari Ellen Stiles
>>Your of Kagyupa, and i respect that lineage very much, most of my teachings
>>come from Sakyapa, and ya know Sakyapa does do things a bit different.
>
> Hey hey hey! None of that "L"-word stuff around here, buddy!
> Someone help out a poor ig'nerent ferret here... whassa rinpoche?
that the person has more that just a clue.
Elric the Ferret (small white furry) could possibly be called a
Rinpoche by biological fortune, with Humans it's somewhat more complicated.
From what I gather Lama is something like a Rebbe...mainly Teacher/someone
with clues who has been taught how to share them...
and a Tulku is someone who is an incarnation of someone with big clues,
possibly even coming back to do the same job as last time. (Abbot or some
such.) Not all Lama's or even all Rimpoche's are Tulkus, and neither do all
Tulkus do those jobs.... Heck, a Tulku could even be some Yokel on the
net...)
How close was that Konchog?
Riesgo Luis
>likewise someone without being given the title "Reverend" or even "Rebbe"
>using it will be, and OUGHT to be called on it... if for no other reason
>than it offends (or could offend) those who do have claim to it. (Or are on
>their way to earning it by the standard fashion.)
I am a Legal Reverend in the state of Florida, yes indeed
Rev. Kunga Choedak...yes I can Marry folks and it is legal.
..Just thought i would pass that on to you .
>Konchog can and will verify his lineage.... and it seems obvious to me
>(email and voice chats) that Konchog is legit...
>> even self-importance. Ripe stuff for well-placed absfg barbs, but few
>exactly self-importance, sounds a heck of a lot like the rama thing... which
Won, Nyigma and even New Land. I am a nice guy
>> absfg-ers?
>I think My vote goes with Konchog....
> I haven't seen so much as a HINT of a clue in the new land folks
>yet...
Riesgo Luis
>with clues who has been taught how to share them...
>
>and a Tulku is someone who is an incarnation of someone with big clues,
>possibly even coming back to do the same job as last time. (Abbot or some
>such.) Not all Lama's or even all Rimpoche's are Tulkus, and neither do all
>Tulkus do those jobs.... Heck, a Tulku could even be some Yokel on the
:)
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
kick puppies too. Go find a cave somewhere...
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Steven Coulter
Sari Ellen Stiles <sa...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>From article <Pine.SOL.3.91.941106014821.1355B-100000@gladstone>, by Konchog Tsondu Tharchin <kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
>> pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
>
>
>Ut OH! the monk is pissed off.... (head for the bomb shelters!)
>...the only thing I can imagine as MORE alarming would be a pissed off
>lama...
>
Actually, pissed off llamas are MUCH more alarming.
Jacob H. Hamm
>too informed sub. Sorry, but he's lied AND insulted Sari, and now he's
>pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
>
the Monty Python or Animaniacs thread it word help. (Personally, my
dog was licking my ear while I read his posts and it makes all the
difference. :]) (Vajra-?)Wrath is like a sword with a dagger for its
handle.
Jay
Austin George Loomis
Steven Coulter <scou...@unix1.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>In article <39lssu$8...@uwm.edu>,
>Sari Ellen Stiles <sa...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>>...the only thing I can imagine as MORE alarming would be a pissed off
>>lama...
>Actually, pissed off llamas are MUCH more alarming.
Clarinda? T-Bone? La? I think this one's all yours.
--
"I just love the whole incoherent Treklander quality of this fanfic." Crow
T. Robot, MST Adventures 201 (MiSTed by Austin Loomis, coming soon)
J Huff
> >Surely a master would walk in teh door, look silly adn be serenely unaware of
> >it?
> Look, dude! How many times do I have to tell you?
> DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!
> --Scott
> "Aka John"
What seems to be your problem, Shirly?
John ("Really! I'm ot Scott...")
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Joshin Yamada
: Great! We cold make this a real West Coast ABSFG "thing"!
: Konchog
I am also excited by the idea of a absfg "thing", especially if it
culd happen in Portland (besides being a newbie to the net, absfg,
and Buddhism, I am also not overflowing with cash or transportation).
I think I will make a new thread so our ideas on possibilities of
an absfg fun fest will not be so intertwined with the New Land....
..ah, conversation. So maybe you could look for a "West Coast absfg
Thing!" before you reply here?
Deebie
Jacob H. Hamm
>
<snit snipped>
Please read the faq, or we will send Curly sensi to yuk at you.
Jay
(Yuk, Yuk, Yuk)
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
you coldn't help but know that he was "New Land" if you read his post...
and if she still says she hasn't seen any sign of a clue... well....
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Joshin Yamada
: From article <Pine.SOL.3.91.941106014821.1355B-100000@gladstone>, by Konchog Tsondu Tharchin <kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
: > pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
: ...the only thing I can imagine as MORE alarming would be a pissed off
: lama...
I don't know, I've heard that Llamas spit when they're pissed. Once a
walrus spit dirty-walrus-pool water at me when I was at the Saint Louis
zoo, and it was pretty horrible--cold and slimy and incredibly stinky.
Deebie
Jacob H. Hamm
>Someone help out a poor ig'nerent ferret here... whassa rinpoche?
>
way of cooking eggs.
Hope this helped,
Jay
Sari Ellen Stiles
> anyone is welcome to call me up as well, and I'll discuss my Sakyapa Lineage,
> Won, Nyigma and even New Land. I am a nice guy
>
still strikes me as a very odd casserole ya' got there...
Konchog? Lefty?
Sari Ellen Stiles
> I'm sorry to hear this, perhaps if you think of his words a a facet of
> the Monty Python or Animaniacs thread it word help. (Personally, my
> dog was licking my ear while I read his posts and it makes all the
> difference. :])
by the way folks, it's really hard to insult someone, when you haven't first
earned their respect....
ok, new net game! how d'ya earn a person's respect...no fair posting if I've
already emailed my answer unless you've got something even better...
sari
Sari Ellen Stiles
> Sari, you could actually have a debate over your claim about Elric being
> perhaps a Rinpoche by biological fortune, animals ARE considered to be
> lower realm creatures... then again, seems to me Elric has a few clues of
> his own! I guess basically it all boils down to the fact that you can
Hmmm, does it make a difference that he's a particularly sweet albino ferret?
funny ferret story...
last night I was laying awake at 1am (woke up for no apparent
reason) and staring at the ceiling being quiet...I hear a crying noise in
Joleen's room, it's Elric...he wants to play... so out he comes, to cuddle
and act all hyper... and just be darling...and then he asks to go back to
bed...kinda..."stay with me please!...."
I hope he hasn't trained me to get up at 1 am to play!
> talk and talk about it, and all you'll get is.....
> cold breakfast!
pop tarts, hmmmmm,...
if you don't bother to toast them, they can't get cold... hehehehee...
Big Hug! here have a pop tart...
sari
David W Sims
>>I am a nice guy
I'll probably mess up my kamma, but. . . .
If you gotta say it, Ri, it's because you ain't
demonstrated it yet.
It's a funny thing about the way of the Buddha that,
while it (more or less) denies the existence of a
continuing personal essence, it still 'travels' through
the ethos of its propagators: that is, who you are still
affects your ability to teach others effectively. And
this is, crazily, really apparent on the net. If you
don't take the care to come in with compassion, you
louse up your chances for a good long time. If you
were to look back at most of the posts responding to
you to date, you'd see that you've created quite a
persona for yourself. *Might* have nothing to do with
who you really are, but. . . .
So maybe you could drop it for a while. And especially
quit posting your brochure, here and on talk.religion.
buddhism. As I say, it's an odd thing, but impersonal
communications don't (on the whole) improve one's
persona.
David
sh...@world.std.com
>this is directed to shoki......
>
>< a ticket is waiting.... >
>
>I usually do not fall prey the poisoned barbs directed by others, such as
>yourself... but your last post went beyond the bounds of humorous disrespect
>and entered upon the grounds of hell-beings caught in the samsara of their
>own self-importance.
Flattery will get you nowhere.
> ...wake up shoki... wake up to the
>path of a bodhisattva and help those who you would percieve as deluded and
>lost in the grip of samsara...
That was the entire reason for my post. Learning to laugh at
oneself, one's path, and their basic sillinesses is a great lesson.
One you obviously still need to learn...
shoki
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
perhaps a Rinpoche by biological fortune, animals ARE considered to be
lower realm creatures... then again, seems to me Elric has a few clues of
his own! I guess basically it all boils down to the fact that you can
cold breakfast!
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Steven Coulter
>this is directed to shoki......
>
>< a ticket is waiting.... >
>
>I usually do not fall prey the poisoned barbs directed by others, such as
>yourself... but your last post went beyond the bounds of humorous disrespect
>and entered upon the grounds of hell-beings caught in the samsara of their
Your distress is palpable. I am saddened by it.
But you should understand that this group has a certain culture and
tradition. If you read the FAQ and a few week's worth of postings, you'll
see that shoki's post was entirely in keeping with the spirit of the
newsgroup. One should post here only after understanding the risk of
being harpooned on one's own dearly held beliefs. The suggestion of
starting a chapter in Sarajevo and then taking up a collection to ship
Luis there was a little mean, but VERY funny. Is it buddhist or reverent
to be a little mean? No. Is it in the spirit of absfg? Absolutely.
Sari suggested that you do your newsgroup reading and writing in a more
serious forum. I don't think that was sarcastic, malicious, or
sharp-tongued. I think it was sound advice. Don't be hurt, don't be
offended; don't read here.
Go in peace.
Jacob H. Hamm
>this is directed to shoki......
>
flame (I hope you've got asbesteos underware :])
BTW, while I will not guess at shoki's motives, it is no kindness to *not*
question another's path. To become attached to a path is the most
insidious of attachments. Perhaps some questions would make a good exaple:
Is your path a good path?
Would Jack the Ripper be turned away?
Have you ever caused another suffering defending your path?
Would you miss your path if you lost it?
Is your path an excuss to avoid your inner delusions?
Is your path holy?
Is your master a god?
Attack in a dojo is done to expose weakness. It teaches and strengthens
instead of destroying.
Just my thoughts,
Jay
<really good flame snipped - well I liked it any way:)>
Jacob H. Hamm
>ok, new net game! how d'ya earn a person's respect...no fair posting if I've
>already emailed my answer unless you've got something even better...
>
something they want you to earn then I suggest more producitive pastimes
like hitting you head with a brick. If you want more respect then
pratice your "right" action and those worthy of being respected by will
respect you.
Jay
(PS: Respect yourself and you will be worthy of that respect and actaccordingly.
) [Aren't paradoxes fun]
John Neatrour
sorry it's only me.
sounds more like New Land Buddhist Disorder, a strange spritual ailment
diagnosed in the sutras and shastras as being on so many paths that you
can't walk on even one.
i reserve my own right to form my impression of this being a 'nice guy'
group. so far it doesn't have that fragrance to this nose.
maybe he ran around trying to get attached to a lineage so enegergetically
there was none left over for doing any real practice.
jn
Pad...@aol.com
< a ticket is waiting.... >
I usually do not fall prey the poisoned barbs directed by others, such as
yourself... but your last post went beyond the bounds of humorous disrespect
and entered upon the grounds of hell-beings caught in the samsara of their
own self-importance. You, shoki... show no wish to entertain even a
smidgeon of respect for another's path. your mindfullness is sorely lacking,
your ego a choker like a noose around your neck, cutting off your breath, and
your wish to demonstrate your great wit amongst those you would consider your
peers a leash that drags you to lift your leg upon roses..... yes, i am
making judgement, and yes, i question my wisdom in doing so, but i cannot let
such a post glide by without comment.... wake up shoki... wake up to the
path of a bodhisattva and help those who you would percieve as deluded and
lost in the grip of samsara.... .. if your prajna is so highly developed that
you feel you can properly chastise another, use that wisdom for positive
results and not to deepen the suffering with glib sarcasm and caustic remarks
refering to a country undergoing so sad and violent a time..... shoki.... I
am New Land, Kunga Choedak does not stand alone, and i do not respond on his
behalf, for if he wishes he would do so on his own.... he and i are of
differing temperments, yet one and the same in the dharma as are you......
shoki..... may you and all beings ever be touched by the causes of peace,
joy, love and EQUANIMITY.... be well shoki, and practice with loving kindness
permeating your body, speech and heart....... padma
Robert R. Schneck
>> If Buddhism could be said to have a goal, I think it would be to grow a
>> rose out of the shit.
>
>If you leaves roses & shit alone, don't they do it by themselves?
Precisely! <bow>
:),
Schneck
Riesgo Luis
Riesgo Luis
that was too much.... hum
sh...@world.std.com
>Is Konchog really a Monk in name sake alone?
Now you're really getting into the spirit of a.b.s.f.g. It thrives
on such koans.
Barry (is Riesgo Luis an asshole in name alone?) Wright
Bill Atwood
>Scott "Rabbit" Pugh (rab...@teleport.com) wrote:
>: Look, dude! How many times do I have to tell you?
>: DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!
oh, she would never joke about something as serious as that.
, jason ("Article 14322 (279 more) in alt.buddha.short.fat.guy")
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>Sari, you could actually have a debate over your claim about Elric being
>perhaps a Rinpoche by biological fortune, animals ARE considered to be
>lower realm creatures...
Hey, I take personal affront at this! =( Ferrets and all other lower
realm creatures unite against this unfair oppression!
(Sheesh, I get it from both directions, as a "lower realm" ferret and as
a "Hell being" Mara!)
>then again, seems to me Elric has a few clues of
>his own!
Hmpf. That's more like it.
>I guess basically it all boils down to the fact that you can
>talk and talk about it, and all you'll get is.....
>cold breakfast!
Which is alright if you like cold breakfast... the one thing I can't stand
though is soggy Frosted Flakes (tm).
Bill. ("Or worse yet, undercooked eggs!")
George Root
RL> anyone is welcome to call me up as well, and I'll discuss my Sakyapa
RL> Lineage, Won, Nyigma and even New Land. I am a nice guy
Being new to absfg, but having read some of this thread re
nlbo, i find some questions arising which i hope you will
be willing to address.
In the Vajrayana of Tibet, there are those who take the
perspective of rime (ris-med) - "non-biased" - with regard
to doctrinal teachings. Yet, it is typical for one who is
performing ngondro to do so with the intention to form a
bond with a specific teacher and lineage. As the nlbo
advocates members receiving teachings from many lineages
within the broad tradition, i would like to know who
within the Sakyapa is teaching this rime approach.
Thanks much
Tashi Deleg
Zopa Dorje
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Georg...@leading.org
The Leading Edge BBS Wurtsboro, NY (914) 888-4295
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Jacob H. Hamm
>Is Konchog really a Monk in name sake alone?
Why do you ask? Perhaps it is story time.
Ok, girls,boys,kits,pups and cubs ... (if your affended at this point
hit n, this is a story) there once was a student who was trying very
hard to become a master (no, not you - now sit down and behave). Each
time it was his turn on the mat he would either pick a very good
opponent or a very poor one. The poor ones he would try and humiliate
and the good ones he would try to trick. He worked very hard to show
that he was better than the others, so hard did he work at this that
he had little time to learn. One day he asked the master why the other
students didn't like him. The master picked up four rocks and said,
"I have four rocks and you have none, how can you get rocks for yourself?"
The student tried hard to think of how he could get her rocks, but
each time he started to answer she said "No, that is not correct."
Finally, the master bent down and picked up five rocks, which she
handed to the student.
When you find some one who lacking in rocks show them how you found yours.
When you find some one who has plenty of rocks, look at how they find them.
Coveting another's rocks is pointless, are their not enough for all?
Jay
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>Is Konchog really a Monk in name sake alone?
Ooh, a koan! Hmmm... The sound of one hand clapping? Faboo? A tree in
a golden forest! Duct tape! Make me one with everything? If a cat lands
on it's feet, and peanutbutter bread always lands face down...? Your
breakfast is cold! You guys are missing the obvious, Bill Keyes? Sitting
long hours? Turtles all the damn way down?
Ah, fuck it. Have a cigar.
Bill. ("And the ferret was enlightened.")
ShortHare
Thank you!
: Bill. ("And the ferret was enlightened.")
Susan. ("And the cigar would be nice too......")
--
%%%%%% ShortHare %%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
% Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves -- %
% For they shall never cease to be amused %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Sari Ellen Stiles
>>still strikes me as a very odd casserole ya' got there...
>
> sorry it's only me.
Just you? Oh wow! can I have an autograph?
(Big Hug, and probably lunch on the 19th...)
> sounds more like New Land Buddhist Disorder, a strange spritual ailment
> diagnosed in the sutras and shastras as being on so many paths that you
> can't walk on even one.
hmmmm, I am wondering if Prozac (tm, by prescription only) might help.
(by the way, I've been on, and now am off Prozac, I am allowed to make jokes
about it...great stuff...)
> maybe he ran around trying to get attached to a lineage so enegergetically
> there was none left over for doing any real practice.
yep! ...and it seems that even though he's learned not to toss titles around
carelessly, he still hints that he has the right to them.
(nickname?! that's really really Odd...don't cha' think...
my 'teachers' call me "mommy" and "food lady"....=)
sari
Sari Ellen Stiles
> Is Konchog really a Monk in name sake alone?
John Neatrour
>> diagnosed in the sutras and shastras as being on so many paths that you
>> can't walk on even one.
>hmmmm, I am wondering if Prozac (tm, by prescription only) might help.
does it help with attention deficit disorders? if so maybe...
>(by the way, I've been on, and now am off Prozac, I am allowed to make jokes
>about it...great stuff...)
(hope you don't mind the attention deficit joke, it wasn't aimed your way in
any case.)
>> maybe he ran around trying to get attached to a lineage so enegergetically
>> there was none left over for doing any real practice.
>yep! ...and it seems that even though he's learned not to toss titles around
>carelessly, he still hints that he has the right to them.
>(nickname?! that's really really Odd...don't cha' think...
>my 'teachers' call me "mommy" and "food lady"....=)
one of my former teachers used to refer to me as 'the little prince'. however
i never laid claim to asteroid B 612. my friend in Boston though actually has
an asteroid named for him and all officially recognized by the international
astronomical union. he doesn't plan to move there soon, though.
hey! instead of Sarajevo which is a touchy place anyway, why not set up the
new land order monastery on my budd's asteroid!
hmm, no sentient beings, no air, cosmic environmental impact statement
though......
i say yes! we don't even have to take donations! we can do it as a STUDY!
I'LL WRITE A GRANT PROPOSAL! ;-)
jn
Sari Ellen Stiles
>>hmmmm, I am wondering if Prozac (tm, by prescription only) might help.
>
> does it help with attention deficit disorders? if so maybe...
hehehehee....sometimes it does, particularly when ADD is aggrivated by
depression!
(depression can account for jumping from job to job in some people, maybe
also it accounts for jumping from order to order...?)
Though some of the behavior evidenced by Mr.Luis looks somewhat like at the
very least a passive-aggressive thing. possibly borderline. (though I'm not
a mental health professional that is a GUESS not a diagnosis...)
ie; post an outlandish claim, and have a hissy fit when questioned.
>>(by the way, I've been on, and now am off Prozac, I am allowed to make jokes
>>about it...great stuff...)
> (hope you don't mind the attention deficit joke, it wasn't aimed your way in
> any case.)
even if it was aimed at me it was FUNNY and I appreciated it...
I suspect that the leaping about came about because of someone telling him
he was wrong/mistaken/not quite on target resulting in him leaving in a
huff...(I'm sorry but he really reminds me of someone I used to live with...)
> one of my former teachers used to refer to me as 'the little prince'. however
> i never laid claim to asteroid B 612. my friend in Boston though actually has
Oh that is SWEEET....
> hmm, no sentient beings, no air, cosmic environmental impact statement
> though......
> i say yes! we don't even have to take donations! we can do it as a STUDY!
> I'LL WRITE A GRANT PROPOSAL! ;-)
ohhhhh, gooody a grant!
sari
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>Sorry, but he's lied AND insulted Sari, and now he's
>pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
>
>Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Tharchin-la! All that venemous anger going to waste! (someone pass
me a paper cup, please)
Karma Chopal
(you think _you_ do things a little differently!)
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>Konchog Tsondu Tharchin <kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>...
>>too informed sub. Sorry, but he's lied AND insulted Sari, and now he's
>Hug...
>My one thought for all of you is: compassion...
...hold the paper cup...bring on the bucket
(you see, there's a fine line between _quasi_-sarcasm and
inauthenticity...you see? there. no no, not there, there! no, oh my,
Here! Now, _that's_ inauthenticity ... the sure sign is the tunnel-vision
that accompanies the loss of vipasana ... the falsehood drains one's energy.
>Schneck
ben
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>>Riesgo Luis <tan...@delphi.com> writes:
>>>You are spreading mis-truths and exagerations about me Konchog.
>>>If you persist in this, i would like to contact your dharma center and ask them
>>>what is your problem, and find out if they know
>
>If you don't play according to my rules, I'm gonna tell your lineage on you!
>
>Barry (sorry for using the L-word) Wright
>
_autrement dis_ (dite?) If you don't play by _your_ rules, I'll tell _my_ lineage!
(variations anyone?)
KC..
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>From article <39jhth$1l...@lamar.ColoState.EDU>, by bke...@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister):
>> Someone help out a poor ig'nerent ferret here... whassa rinpoche?
>No problem, Rinpoche (generally a gifted title) means "precious one" infers
>that the person has more that just a clue.
...I would'a said something like "precious body" (and no, I'm not slippery-
slopping into precious human etc.) ... not sure of the eytmology, but there
aren't a whole lot of variations. I think it's the stamp of experience, in contrast
to learning, which earns one "Khenpo" ... not exclusive, of course ... the finest
charnel-ground yogin I know carries both ... ( and _boy_ can he wing a fine
_doha_! "We dedicate this illusory merit for the illusory good of illusory sentient
beings."). Now when I refer to the brilliant youthful of his presence, my teacher,
I'm talking about someone with a track record of meditation experience, top marks
in the ten-year PhD program at Rumtek, a fine story as tulku, and an appreciation
for '486 laptops. _I_ give him Venerable Khenpo _and_ Rinpoche!
>How close was that Konchog?
>
>
...oh-oh! looks like we're perilously close to a debate!
(hi! (if this were paper I'd squiggle my 'daisy' chop)
Karma Chopal aka Ben aka BearHearted from the land of the willow.
dharma goat
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>Sari, you could actually have a debate over your claim about Elric being
>perhaps a Rinpoche by biological fortune, animals ARE considered to be
>lower realm creatures... then again, seems to me Elric has a few clues of
>his own!
you know, "So I've Been Told" (new acro? SOBT?), in the seven-arrows
tradition the south is represented by the mouse, the creature of great courage
who moves forward until he learns by experience, rubbing his nose up
against the unknow.
>Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Karma Chopal
Glorious Phenomenal World! Arising Playfully and Ceaselessly!
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>perhaps a Rinpoche by biological fortune, animals ARE considered to be
>lower realm creatures... then again, seems to me Elric has a few clues of
>his own!
Tene, So I've Been Told (new acro? SIBT?), in the seven-arrows tradition courage
in the south, symbolized by the mouse, the brave creature who moves forward
to experience, forward until he rubs the unknown with the tip of his nose.
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>Sari Ellen Stiles (sa...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>: From article <Pine.SOL.3.91.941106014821.1355B-100000@gladstone>, by Konchog Tsondu Tharchin <kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
>: > pissed me off. Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
>
>: ...the only thing I can imagine as MORE alarming would be a pissed off
>: lama...
>
>I don't know, I've heard that Llamas spit when they're pissed. Once a
>walrus spit dirty-walrus-pool water at me when I was at the Saint Louis
>zoo, and it was pretty horrible--cold and slimy and incredibly stinky.
>
>Deebie
*FZZGACCK! I hope you didn't swallow any! You'd'a stayed buzzed for
literally _daze_!
KC..
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
Vajra-Wrath is a bitch.
>>
>I'm sorry to hear
[zapp!]
>difference. :]) (Vajra-?)
> --> Wrath is like a sword with a dagger for its handle. <--
KyeHo! Good one Jay! Yours?
>Jay
Karma Chopal (how do I get the umlout (sp) on my ch_eu_?)
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>ok, new net game! how d'ya earn a person's respect...no fair posting if I've
>already emailed my answer unless you've got something even better...
>sari
hit it with a flame thrower and collect the ashes!
(ok, just pass my prize on to Luis, maybe it'll help'em buck up)
KC..
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>Is Konchog really a Monk in name sake alone?
for ane-la's?)
kamikazi coconut
J Huff
> ...
> >too informed sub. Sorry, but he's lied AND insulted Sari, and now he's
> Hug...
> My one thought for all of you is: compassion...
> Schneck
How about that girl that ("alledgedly") killed her two
kids in South Carolina? Anybody feel any compassion
for her?
John ("<groan>")
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>From article <39f44d$p...@unix1.circ.gwu.edu>, by scou...@unix1.circ.gwu.edu (Steven Coulter):
>> Basically, I guess I just want to compare notes with other absfg-ers.
>> I've found Mr. Luis' posts quite unsettling, and the interchange with
>> Konchog alarming. I don't like thinking of another person as being
>> devious, yet there are certainly devious (or deluded) souls out there.
>> Mr. Berg would seem to be more magnanamous than I. What think other
>> absfg-ers?
>I think My vote goes with Konchog....
My goodness this has become hostile. You'll excuse me for standing so
bruskly in front of the assembly, but I think I'm rising on a point of order.
Which, given the fact that I'm in absfg-land, and not sure that I belong
(ohhhpleeeease,please,please,pleasse!) or that I want to (IWANNA!) ...
perhaps, given the state of the western psyche (is my psyche western?
It plumb never occurred to me to ask her!), perhaps I should rise on a
point of out-of-order. Awful polarizing things, votes ... it's in the book.
>sari
KC..
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>still the questioning and prodding for friction between practitioners continues
>, why? maybe a verse from the dhammapada would help
>
> As an elephant endures the arrows of battle, I will patiently endure harsh
> words. For such is the way of the world: Human beings are often cruel.
> Just as the well-trained elephant lets the king mount him and ride him into
> the fray, so does the well-disciplined man, the best of men, patiently endure
> harsh words.
>
>where is the practice of loving kindness here? from one i read 'i love you'....
>from the other i read that love turned into an arrow that is turned to draw
>blood. argument is good, beneficial if practiced on the base of compassion
>but attack is harmful for the attacker, yet offers opportunities for the
>one who is the object of attack to practice. still, it would be nice if the
>attackee did not have such an opportunity.
>
>peace......... padma
chapter and verse, please
Karma Chopal (gate crasher)
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>In <941105093...@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com>, (Padma Bhumi) writes:
>>
>> ...attack [click] offers opportunities for
>> the one who is the object of attack to practice.
> You've come to the right place.
> Ned
>P.S. From the Tao:
> Love is victorious in attack, and invulnerable in defense.
----> Nature arms with love those it would not see destroyed. <----
Zowee, but that's good!
My chip-in is that the attacker is only responding out of pain ...
weak and vulnerable and worthy of compassion. I wish I'd remember that.
KC..
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>Bill. ("And the ferret was enlightened.")
Hunhh? d'I miss something here? when was he bloodey-well _not_!
I'd like to know! well, no, not really ... but I'd sure like to _ask_!
KC..
Bernard D. Tremblay (Ben)
>
>this is directed to shoki......
>
>< a ticket is waiting.... >
>
>I usually do not fall prey the poisoned barbs directed by others, such as
>yourself... but your last post went beyond the bounds of humorous disrespect
the post about Liberation Theology? I quoted Guttierez "it's always the oppressor
who sets the bounds of violence"
whatsamatter, did your supper get cold?
>and entered upon the grounds of hell-beings caught in the samsara of their
>own self-importance.
well, can't fault you here, talking about what you know.
>You, shoki... show no wish to entertain even a
>smidgeon of respect for another's path. your mindfullness is sorely lacking,
>your ego a choker like a noose around your neck, cutting off your breath, and
>your wish to demonstrate your great wit amongst those you would consider your
>peers a leash that drags you to lift your leg upon roses.....
Hey! Rose! This twirp's talkin' 'bout ya!
yes, i am
What!
>making judgement,
Oh! gawd, you scared me there for a moment!
>and yes, i question my wisdom in doing so
... hey! no fair! askin questions you can answer? what'r ya doing
writing an FAQ?
>but i cannot let such a post glide by without comment
Hey? think of it as a challenge ...
>.... wake up shoki...
Now, no sarcasm ... that's a nice thing to wish.
>wake up to the path of a bodhisattva and help those who you would percieve
>as deluded and lost in the grip of samsara.... ..
> if your prajna is so ... developed that you feel you can ... chastise another,
>use that wisdom for positive results and not to deepen the suffering with
> glib sarcasm and caustic remarks
You are chastising, yes? And your words are barbed, yes? So
you've set yourself up too high, no?
[chop]
>EQUANIMITY.... be well shoki, and practice with loving kindness
>permeating your body, speech and heart....... padma
Speaking honestly I really don't think you have a personal acquaintance
with equanimity ... if you did, why would you SCREAM IT?
beyond hope and fear, oh lotus-born water-puppy ...
all things vanish like the imprint of a bird in the air
KC..
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
official decoder ring and sooper monk sneaker too!
Can't touch this! oh and... Too legit to quit!
Luis, as long as you dump your garbage here, someone will come along and
clean it up.
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Buddhist monk, Drikung Kagyu
kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu
BTW have yo called my "lineage" (ack! Poo!) yet?
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
(GREAT group BTW! I heartily encourage ANYONE near a center of theirs to
get involved!)
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>ok, new net game! how d'ya earn a person's respect...
Gifts of cash or commodities work absolute *wonders* in gaining my respect.
Bill. ("Make out checks to Bill Keyes.")
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister (bke...@lamar.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
>: Ah, fuck it. Have a cigar.
>Thank you!
For which, the cigar, or the...? ;)
>: Bill. ("And the ferret was enlightened.")
>Susan. ("And the cigar would be nice too......")
As Ziggy Froid himself said, "Gentlemen, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
I wonder what he meant by that?
Bill. ("You're welcome, either way.")
Scott Rabbit Pugh
>already emailed my answer unless you've got something even better...
The other day, as I was getting off the bus in SE Portland, I saw a guy
wearing a "Yes on 13" button. Measure 13 is (was, it lost) the most
recent incarnation of the agenda of our local Fascist Right Wing
'christian' organization, the OCA. Not what you call a popular organization,
or stance in inner city SE Portland....
So I sez to this guy, I sez (wearing my "No on 13" button) "Well, I have
to admire your courage, if nothing else." Then he replies, "Yes, that
is what America is all about, freedom of speech." (Heh heh heh! A Funda-
mentalist extolling freedom of speech? But I digress....)
Then, I was off the bus, and couldn't say, "forget that, bozo!"
What I had been saying had nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can
respect his bravery in wearing the button in an unfriendly place, and
still happily put him up against the wall when the revolution comes. ;)
For all I know, Stalin was quite admirably brave, or had other qualities
which might invite respect. He was certainly cunning.... But then, so
what?
Just some thoughts.....
--Scott
--
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of
heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
(Matthew 6: 21)
Riesgo Luis
> In the Vajrayana of Tibet, there are those who take the
> perspective of rime (ris-med) - "non-biased" - with regard
> to doctrinal teachings. Yet, it is typical for one who is
> performing ngondro to do so with the intention to form a
> bond with a specific teacher and lineage. As the nlbo
> advocates members receiving teachings from many lineages
> within the broad tradition, i would like to know who
> within the Sakyapa is teaching this rime approach.
The following teachers that are sakyapa are also considered Ri-Me,
His Eminence Tai Situ Rimpoche, at the "Maitreya institute", he teaches
Vajrayana of Sakyapa and Kagyu, with sufi and christian as well.
Lama Kunga Thratze Rinpoche, Sakypa..he is considered by the Kagyu to be an
incarnation of Gampopa heart son of Milarepa...
His Holiness Dagchen Rinpoche is also Considered Ri-Me, he is teachers form all
orders.
there are many more, but these seem to be a few popular ones.
Christine L. Hughes
I've
>already emailed my answer unless you've got something even better...
Hmmmm? By respecting them first? To get respect, you must give it.
-----Chris
Sari Ellen Stiles
>>perhaps a Rinpoche by biological fortune, animals ARE considered to be
>>lower realm creatures... then again, seems to me Elric has a few clues of
>>his own!
> [ . . .]
>
> you know, "So I've Been Told" (new acro? SOBT?), in the seven-arrows
> tradition the south is represented by the mouse, the creature of great courage
> who moves forward until he learns by experience, rubbing his nose up
> against the unknow.
Crows Toes! Ben, you are even more verbose than me...and all in one thread
too!
***FERRETS ARE MUSTILIDS NOT RODENTS... *****
Gerbils on the other hand ARE rodents... and cute, and in the case of Flash
since 10 last night, dead...
maybe next time he'll be a ferret...having accumulated so much good
karma this time... =)
sari
Sari Ellen Stiles
> Zopa .... Disciple of Lama Zopa Rinpoche, head of FPMT?
> (GREAT group BTW! I heartily encourage ANYONE near a center of theirs to
> get involved!)
>
I bet he doesn't shout at people,
or personally attack them if they'd say
"Now wait a minute, isn't that the opposite of the
standard?..."
sari
(all these Rinpoche's runnin around and I ain't got one...)
Jacob H. Hamm
>KC..
How is the sunshine band?
Jay
(oops...I dated myself.)
Riesgo Luis
geepers.
Jacob H. Hamm
>My Dear Konchod:
>
Who?
> What you call "Vajra'wrath" appears more to be just plain ignorance, i
hmm... me thinks he doth protest over loudly ...
<snit snipped>
Jay
Riesgo Luis
What you call "Vajra'wrath" appears more to be just plain ignorance, i
stained by your activities.
You are in no position to discredit me my brother.
Konchod, you are the most short-sighted arrogant monk i have ever met in my
life.....if indeed you are a monk.....I am at the point where i think you are
just a Warrior-liar.
Robert R. Schneck
>How about that girl that ("alledgedly") killed her two
>kids in South Carolina? Anybody feel any compassion
>for her?
I hope so... we have to try...
Schneck
Mike Renning
bke...@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister) writes:
>
>Riesgo Luis <tan...@delphi.com> writes:
>>I have you folks know.,
>
>>You are spreading mis-truths and exagerations about me Konchog.
Did you notice that in Tarzanspeak, Mr. Luis is claiming to be Konchog?
Now who's spreading mis-truths?
>Geez, I wish someone would spread a few mistruths and exagerations about
>me! Feel lucky, you're among a proud and exclusive group.
Hey, I remember back in the old days when Bill was a divorce lawyer, he
once admitted that he eats human flesh for breakfast, right alongside his
Wheaties. Oh, and he is also known to scrabble around inside the trousers
of Scotsmen.
= Mike, calling a spade a goddamn motherfucking shovel!
John Neatrour
John Neatrour
Mike Renning <MREN...@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> wrote:
>In article <39jhth$1l...@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
>bke...@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister) writes:
>>Riesgo Luis <tan...@delphi.com> writes:
>>>I have you folks know.,
>>>You are spreading mis-truths and exagerations about me Konchog.
>Did you notice that in Tarzanspeak, Mr. Luis is claiming to be Konchog?
>Now who's spreading mis-truths?
You're right! It's Tarzanspeak. I was wondering which dialect he was speaking!
Now i can use my special syntax filter and make more sense of his posts. I
doubt that his ignorance of standard Buddhist jargon will be improved, but
I'll give it a try.
jn
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>I am at the point where i think you are just a Warrior-liar.
Ooh, a Warrior-liar! Where do I sign up for this? That sounds just way
too cool for mere mortals! =)
Say, speaking of which, what's with all the hostility here? Now, I'm
not saying this is a bad thing at all! I'm enjoying the heck out of it.
You guys are more fun than a barrel 'o' ferrets! (well, maybe not quite).
I think ol' Ned will back me up on this.
The problem is that I can't seem to attract any of the heat in my direction
at all! Oh, I know, Mike gave it a try... but I tore into BonGi and he
just answered (more-or-less) reasonably. Any you guys are just ignoring
this poor lil ferret, no matter what I say. =~(
So, in the interest of... whatever it may be that i'm interested in, I'm
gonna tease *both* sides of the issue! Bwah ha ha! Take that!
Hey, Konchong! Your Lama wears women's underwear, and your linneage (ack
poo!) came out of a box of cereal! Shave your head on this, buddy!
And you, Luis! Just 'cause you couldn't get a real job doesn't mean you
need to bring your sewer into our sacred newsgroup!
Hey, you Nichiren weinies! I've got it on good advice that Nichiren himself
chanted O Mar Esea toa Tsan ddoe Seato At San Dlit Tlel Ambs Ea Tivy!
Forget Nam-Namu, you're kidding yourselves! This can all be proven, without
a doubt. I've got the documentation right here.
Bon. Ali Baba kisses my curvy yellow butt, and likes it!
And Sari. Hamsters suck. =P
Bill. ("If that don't do it, then I'm quitting.")
Bill Keyes aka the Ferret-Meister
>>Geez, I wish someone would spread a few mistruths and exagerations about
>>me! Feel lucky, you're among a proud and exclusive group.
>
>Hey, I remember back in the old days when Bill was a divorce lawyer, he
>once admitted that he eats human flesh for breakfast, right alongside his
>Wheaties. Oh, and he is also known to scrabble around inside the trousers
>of Scotsmen.
Lies! Outright lies and mistruths! I have never *once* eaten Wheaties
for breakfast.
Bill. ("Mmmm... Human flesh...")
Riesgo Luis
cast stones, or have open warfare....if you attack me, i will only end up hurt.
I am not into the art of warfare. I wish you all peace....
I am going into a Vajrapana retreat in 2 weeks, and stay there for a few
months......so you all take care....perhaps I will come back after that period.
Yours in the Dharma.
Kunga Choedak.
Atanu Dey
< loads of gratuitous insults to all and sundry deleted >
: Bon. Ali Baba kisses my curvy yellow butt, and likes it!
I suppose that is the only authentic statement you made this
side of eternity - for I believe that the good Baba likes little
boys (you are kinda young, ain't-cha?)
: And Sari. Hamsters suck. =P
What exactly do hamsters suck? Enquiring minds would like to k.
: Bill. ("If that don't do it, then I'm quitting.")
Give it up, Bill.
Atanu
Scott Rabbit Pugh
Barry wrights:
>Stultifyingly serious and dripping with doctrine? Definitely. Alarming?
>Naaaah...just another Bozo on the Bus. I think he fits right in...
>Barry (and think of the flame wars he'll generate) Wright
Amen brother! Hallelujah!
--Scott
"Sometimes I have this wild urge during Dharma Talks to
leap to my feat and cry out, 'Svaha!'" ;)