Lifespan of a Breadmaker?
Graeme... in London
First time poster to this group, but I've been lurkin' for a while.
Simple question. I have had a Kenwood breadmaker for 18 months and make
approx 5 loaves per week. The breadpan is starting to loose its non-stick
coating and needs to be replaced. No problem there, but the internal
workings of the machine look a little dirty and badly stained.
How long do these machines last for and what sort of abuse can the internal
heating element take with spillage etc?
Graeme
Dan Cottler
"Graeme... in London" <graeme...@NOSPAMonetel.net.uk> wrote:
> make approx 5 loaves per week. The breadpan is starting to loose its
> non-stick coating and needs to be replaced. No problem there, but the
> internal workings of the machine look a little dirty and badly
> stained.
>
> How long do these machines last for and what sort of abuse can the
> internal heating element take with spillage etc?
We make 4 to 8 loaves per week. Our experience has been that 1.5 to 2
years is about when our machines started dying. Pans wear out - coating
flakes, scratches, paddle stem siezes. Machines die - heating elements
fail, stems sieze, etc. Our current machine, a 2.5 yro $200 Zoji, is
already on its 2nd pan, which it's leaking oil into the bread now.
You can clean the inside of the bread maker, if you're very careful.
Unplug it first! Use a damp soft sponge and very little soap - enough
to clean but not so much as to drip into the machine's guts...
FWIW,
- Dan.
--
- Psychoceramic Emeritus
- South Jersey, USA, Earth
Dick Margulis
at least 85 or 90.
Socks
> Simple question. I have had a Kenwood breadmaker for 18 months and make
> approx 5 loaves per week. The breadpan is starting to loose its
> non-stick coating and needs to be replaced. No problem there, but the
> internal workings of the machine look a little dirty and badly stained.
i wore out one of the original DAK catalog breadmakers, after about a
thousand loaves. i had used it at home for about 5 years semi-often, but
then took it to work and started a loaf early every morning for a while
longer. that one had the peg-in-the-side design, and that was where the
pan failed, not in the motor or electricals. i'm on my second (hitachi)
but i hadn't been baking as much and probably only have about 100 loaves
or dough batches through that one.
i think it's kinda sad that the market for basic breadmakers is drying up,
as they become more of a specialty and high-end market. based on my
experience though, they should last a long time.
fwiw, my mom picked up a like-new DAK style (looks like R2D2) breadmaker
for $5 at a garage sale recently. what a steal.
> How long do these machines last for and what sort of abuse can the
> internal heating element take with spillage etc?
well, i'd try to avoid that kind of thing.
David Feuer
> fail, stems sieze, etc. Our current machine, a 2.5 yro $200 Zoji, is
> already on its 2nd pan, which it's leaking oil into the bread now.
Ewwww.
>
> FWIW,
> - Dan.
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus
> - South Jersey, USA, Earth
Did you teach at Brown University? Or is there another university out
there with a psychoceramics department?
Tim
long.
Tim
"Dick Margulis" <marg...@fiam.net> wrote in message
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Rina
it wasn't working, I wanted to try one with a horizontal pan. The
replacement ("ZO") is in it's third year and is doing well except the tips
of the paddles are peeling a bit.
The experience of people on another group that I read is that a bread
machine should last at least 3-4 years, the more expensive heavy duty
machines last a lot longer than that. When the pan goes, replace the
machine... they charge to much for replacement pans! (sometimes more than
1/2 the price of a new machine)
Rina
"Graeme... in London" <graeme...@NOSPAMonetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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Socks
> The experience of people on another group that I read is that a bread
> machine should last at least 3-4 years, the more expensive heavy duty
> machines last a lot longer than that. When the pan goes, replace the
> machine... they charge to much for replacement pans! (sometimes more
> than 1/2 the price of a new machine)
fwiw, i think that 7-year DAK i had was about $59 originally. of course,
they might have overbuilt them at the start ... but i'd _hope_ that the
machines are simple enough that low-end models would still last.
i see that there are 2lb oster breadmakers for $50-75 right now. if i
needed one, i might try that first and go more expensive if and when it
broke. i had an oster blender that just wouldn't die, a 40-50 year
hand-me-down, which gives me some brand loyalty.
Wcsjohn
John
graham
"Socks" <So...@Socks.Invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:24:07 +0000, Rina wrote:
>
> i had an oster blender that just wouldn't die, a 40-50 year
> hand-me-down, which gives me some brand loyalty.
But that was made in the days before MBAs put their greedy little stamp on
things.
Graham
Wcsjohn
"revenue stream".
The dictum "Bad money drives out good money" applies equally well to any
household item.
John
Socks
yeah, i wouldn't expect that much nowadays ... but i'd hope that a little
bit of the culture would remain, maybe enough to make a $50 breadmaker
last 7 years or so.
if not, 3-4 years would be tolerable (about $15/yr) ... of course they
probably read stuff like that and use it to determine their target ;-)
Dick Margulis
Took the words right out of my mouth ;-)
Harry Demidavicius
Graeme
Is there no end to your talents? barbecuer, chef, genial host - and
now baker? ;0)
Having read the consensus of opinion on the life-time of a
bread-machine, are you giving any serious thought to changing
equipment. I've had my KA for over 10 years, use it at least three
times per week and it is still like new.
Harry
>
Graeme... in London
"Harry Demidavicius" <Har...@NOT1SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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Harry,
Thinkin' about upgrading or changing equipment. There are terrible burnt
smells coming from the heating element, over and above the flaking of the
non-stick coating.
Its mostly been sun-dried tomatoes or diced olives that have found there way
to the elements. I also use mustard seeds a lot, but they are easily
recovered. I really don't know if the machine is going to go BOOM, or if it
will live to fight another day with a new pan?
Decisions...decisions. Breadmaker or ribs?
Graeme (a big fan of wheatgerm)
occupant
I only fill the pan while the pan is outside the bread maker else I
would spill inside and on the element.
While we in the bread NG may own a bread machine - I don't think I know
another person that makes pizza from scratch let alone bread. That
always surprises me because they are all bright and more organized than
I am. But on fussy about about food, I most certainly take the trophy.
Harry Demidavicius
<graeme...@NOSPAMonetel.net.uk> wrote:
I'm thinking of a Kenwood/KA type mixer machine with a dough hook 'n
stuff vs another automatic bread maker. A much more durable and
versatile piece of gear IMO. The only perceptible advantage the
automatic bread machine might have is the ability to dial up your
bread at night and wake up to fresh made bread in the AM. I produced
too many good smelling cannon balls when I had mine and it got very
lame fast. I gave it to my kid and she loved it to death. [that took
about 4 years for her].
Harry
Harry Demidavicius
Shh - keep it down. Next thing you know they will want to do it and
the commercial baking economy will go to pot . . .
Harry
barry
"graham" <stra...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Graham, Graham, Graham,
I thought we had resolved this before.
No self-respecting MBA from a top school would have anything to do with
Kitchen Aid or any other kitchen appliance maker as long as there were much
more profitable places to ply their trade.
Like Enron.
Like Adelphia.
Like Tyco.
Like Arthur Anderson.
Barry
Wcsjohn
>Graham, Graham, Graham,
>
>I thought we had resolved this before.
>
>No self-respecting MBA from a top school would have anything to do with
>Kitchen Aid or any other kitchen appliance maker as long as there were much
>more profitable places to ply their trade.
>
>Like Enron.
>Like Adelphia.
>Like Tyco.
>Like Arthur Anderson.
>
>Barry
>
How can you respect yourself when your sole purpose in life is to dehumanise
the corporate environment, turning people into "production units" to be
discarded when the boss wants to trouser even more obscene wads of cash than
usual?
I know, I'm well off -topic, but the Corporate environment and its "values"
("Corporate Values", another oxymoron) make me very angry and quite nauseous.
John
barry
"Wcsjohn" <wcs...@aol.comspamnone> wrote in message
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John,
I guess the irony in my post didn't quite make it through to Yorkshire. :-)
Barry
Wcsjohn
>John,
>
>I guess the irony in my post didn't quite make it through to Yorkshire. :-)
>
>Barry
>
about the state of the World and it leaves me a litttle wobbly for a day or 2.
Prone to outbursts of righteous indignation.
But it won't last and I'll be my normal, sunny, devil-may-care ray of sunshine,
bringing light to the dark recesses of minds bemused by Bread, the Great
Enchanter.
Love
John
barry
John,
Time for a pint at Tan Hill. The snow must be just about melted.
Barry
graham
"barry" <john...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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It's always time for a pint - as long as it's not Tetley's;-)
Graham
barry
> >
> > Barry
>
> It's always time for a pint - as long as it's not Tetley's;-)
> Graham
>
>
a good bit of Tetley's several years ago, and compared with US beers, it's
ambrosia! Mind you, it doesn't compare with Guinness in Dublin, but then,
few things do. :-)))
Barry
jouj...@gmail.com
Peter Flynn
started to drop pixels, so it takes foreknowledge of the timing to make
it work overnight. It's about 20 years old, so I'm in the market for a
replacement.
However...Panasonic have screwed things up majorly by rotating their lid
design by 90°: it now hinges on the short side instead of the long side,
so it needs more clearance above it to open — an mine lives on the
worktop under some wall-cupboards. Plus their more advanced replacement,
the SD-ZP2000 series, has NO raisin/nut dispenser, an astonishing
omission when the lower-level series SD2511 does have one.
I'm attracted by the Lakeland BreadMaker Plus 17892 because it still
opens along the long edge, and has the dispenser, although the clip-on
digital scales is no use to me personally. It has a smallish loaf bucket
compared with the Panasonics, although it does come with a useful stand
to replace the bucket providing cradles for up to four long rolls.
As yet undecided, open to suggestions.
P