Need Squaw Bread Recipe for Bread Machine
LP
squaw bread at outback steakhouse!
Static I
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>Does anyone have a squaw bread recipe for the Bread Machine? I love the
>squaw bread at outback steakhouse!
>
>
Wow, they really use that name? Most Native Americans I've met seriously resent
that term.
Words Mean Things! - Trails Section - Clovis Free Press
http://www.clovisnews.com/trails/words_mean.html
LP
Sorry you were offended! To prove to you there is such a bread, here is a
recipe! An apology would be nice.
Squaw Bread
1 lb loaf 1 1/2 lb loaf
yeast 2 t 2t
dry milk 1 T 2 T
bread flour 1 c 1 1/2 c
whole wheat flour 3/4 c 1 1/4 c
rye flour 1/2 c 3/4 c
salt 1 t 1 t
oil 1 1/2 T 2 T
honey 1 T 1 1/2 T
raisins 1 1/2 T 2 T
brown sugar 1 1/2 T 2 T
water 3/4 c 1 1/4 c
Light crust setting. Put raisins in at beginning and let machine
pulverize. Delayed timer OK.
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol
"LP" <lpis...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> There is such a type of bread. Geez! All I was asking for was a recipe!
> Sorry you were offended! To prove to you there is such a bread, here is a
> recipe! An apology would be nice.
Apology for what? Fact is, the name "Squaw Bread" is offensive to many.
Another fact is, there is a type of bread named "Squaw Bread." I don't see
what Static I has to apologize for, and I don't see why you feel so
sensitive about having been told the name is offensive. S/he wasn't so
much rebuking you for asking, but was merely stating that the name of the
bread is offensive.
rona
LP
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Static I
chain wouldstep into a controversy like that. I certainly did not mean to
criticize anyone - I didn't know about it until I put a foot in my mouth in
front of the wrong person!
Anyway, if you just type the name on your search engine, you'll find numerous
versions. This person has renamed it for modern sensitivities.
Scott
sta...@aol.com (Static I) wrote:
> Anyway, if you just type the name on your search engine, you'll find numerous
> versions. This person has renamed it for modern sensitivities.
>
> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/recipes/squaw.htm
Also note the link at the end of the above page explaining WHY it's
offensive.
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Static I
>Date: 9/2/2003 1:31 PM Central Standard Time
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LOL
Feuer
"Ed B." wrote:
>
> I call it Native American Woman Bread.
HMMMMMMMMMMM. That sounds like shit. Sorry. Anyone have a better
name? Is it actually American?
David
Static I
>Date: 9/2/2003 11:01 PM Central Standard Time
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I'm still not even sure what it is - there are dozens of recipes for it on the
net and they are all different. Some have corn meal; some don't.
I have checked several sites on Native American cooking, and there is never any
mention of it - or anything like it for that matter. So I'm beginning to find
the entire ethnic reference dubious, but don't quote me. There may be some
connection I just haven't found.
Three aspects appear in most of the recipes I found though, so I think it would
not be misleading to call it "Mixed-Grain Bread with Honey and Raisins"
Feuer
Static I wrote:
> I have checked several sites on Native American cooking, and there is never any
> mention of it - or anything like it for that matter. So I'm beginning to find
> the entire ethnic reference dubious, but don't quote me. There may be some
> connection I just haven't found.
That does not surprise me in the least.
> Three aspects appear in most of the recipes I found though, so I think it would
> not be misleading to call it "Mixed-Grain Bread with Honey and Raisins"
While more accurate, that does not sound much more appetizing.
David
Scott
sta...@aol.com (Static I) wrote:
> I have checked several sites on Native American cooking, and there is never
> any
> mention of it - or anything like it for that matter. So I'm beginning to find
> the entire ethnic reference dubious, but don't quote me. There may be some
> connection I just haven't found.
It's curious. The ingredients in the recipe from the posted URL are
below.
AFAIK, yeast was not used in Native American baking. I don't know if
starters were used.
Certainly instant non-fat milk wasn't used. Raisins? Are the grapes
native to North America (Concord, scuppernong) ever used for raisins?
2 packages active dry yeast
2 cups water
5 Tbsp brown sugar
1/4 cup honey
1/3 cup oil
2-1/2 tsp salt
1/4 cup raisins
1/4 cup warm water
1/2 cup powdered instant non-fat milk
2-1/2 cups unbleached all-purpose flour
3 cups whole wheat flour
1-1/2 cups rye flour
cornmeal
melted butter
Ed B.
>
> >"Ed B." huma...@nethere.com
> >Date: 9/2/2003 1:31 PM Central Standard Time
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> >
> >I call it Native American Woman Bread.
I neglected to say that I usually shorten that to NAW Bread
Ed B.
I have no idea where the original name came from or whether or not it is
American. However, the native women probably didn't make this bread,
unless they had a blender available.
family
it is also known as fry bread.
y.b.
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Static I
>Date: 9/3/2003 2:44 PM Central Standard Time
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>I neglected to say that I usually shorten that to NAW Bread
>
You're just begging for a stream of puns, aren't you.
Or at least a letter from the National Organization of Women.
:>)
Static I
>Date: 9/3/2003 4:53 PM Central Standard Time
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>my dad was native american, his great grandmother used to make squaw bread,
>it is also known as fry bread.
>y.b.
I did run into "fry bread" on various Native American sites, but that is, of
course, deep-fried.
Navajo Recipes - Basic Fry Bread Recipe - 2 variations
http://waltonfeed.com/peoples/navajo/recipes/frybread.html
Reg
LP wrote:
> Does anyone have a squaw bread recipe for the Bread Machine? I love the
> squaw bread at outback steakhouse!
>
Here's a few...
PS - Anyone born in America is by definition a Native American
Squaw Bread
Recipe By :n/a
Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Breads/Rolls
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1 1/8 cups water
2 tablespoons oil
1 1/2 tablespoons brown or maple sugar
1 1/2 tablespoons raisins
1 teaspoon salt
3/4 cup rye flour
3/4 cup whole wheat flour
1 1/2 cups bread flour
2 teaspoons active dry yeast
Place the ingredients in the bread pan in the order recommended by your machine's manufacturer. Process on the White or Sweet Bread cycle.
This recipe yields a 1 1/2 pound loaf.
Source:
"The Bread Bakers Forum at http://www.angelfire.com/ab/bethsbread"
S(Formatted for MC5):
"10-23-1999 by Joe Comiskey - jcom...@krypto.net"
Yield:
"1 loaf"
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Per serving: 1623 Calories (kcal); 34g Total Fat; (18% calories from fat); 48g Protein; 287g Carbohydrate; 0mg Cholesterol; 2156mg Sodium
Food Exchanges: 18 1/2 Grain(Starch); 1/2 Lean Meat; 0 Vegetable; 1/2 Fruit; 6 Fat; 0 Other Carbohydrates
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Chart House Squaw Bread
Recipe By :Cheryl Watson
Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Breads/Rolls
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1 1/2 cups water
1 tablespoon molasses
2 2/3 cups bread flour
1 cup whole wheat flour
1/3 cup wheat bran
1/4 cup ten-grain cereal
2 tablespoons steel cut oats
2 tablespoons rye flakes
1/4 cup brown sugar
2 teaspoons salt
2 teaspoons powdered caramel coloring -- (available from
King Arthur)
1/2 teaspoon diastatic malt powder -- (available from
King Arthur)
1 tablespoon vital wheat gluten
2 teaspoons yeast - (to 3 tspns)
Place ingredients in bread machine in order recommended by the manufacturer. I use my machine to make dough and bake it in the oven because you get a much better crust. To get a shiny crust, I make a wash of malt syrup (honey would work just as well) and water to brush on just before baking. A dough enhancer with diastatic malt powder and vital wheat gluten can be substituted for them. I think that the Lora Brody dough enhancer has both of them in it.
This recipe yields a 2 pound loaf.
Comments: I bought a loaf of Chart House Squaw Bread at Costco, took the list of ingredients and after many loaves have come up with this recipe. I bake my bread with sourdough instead of yeast but have converted the recipe into one with yeast. I have halved the sugar measurements because sourdough bread uses roughly twice the sugar to counteract the sourness but you may have to play a little with the brown sugar if it is too sweet or not sweet enough.
Source:
"The Bread Bakers Forum at http://www.angelfire.com/ab/bethsbread"
S(Formatted for MC5):
"10-22-1999 by Joe Comiskey - jcom...@krypto.net"
Yield:
"1 loaf"
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Per serving: 2029 Calories (kcal); 10g Total Fat; (4% calories from fat); 66g Protein; 429g Carbohydrate; 0mg Cholesterol; 4311mg Sodium
Food Exchanges: 25 1/2 Grain(Starch); 0 Lean Meat; 0 Vegetable; 0 Fruit; 1/2 Fat; 3 Other Carbohydrates
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family
recipes u show for fry bread, and it was his grandmothers recipe.
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol
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>
> PS - Anyone born in America is by definition a Native American
>
Maybe that is why Canadians changed from using "Native American" to
"Aboriginal" then finally (or at least most recently) to "First Nations."
FN people I know, however, still refer to themselves as Native or sometimes
Indian.
rona
Reg
Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
Cool. That's interesting to know.
As for me, I think a good term would be "Pre-European Americans". Hope
it catches on. It's unambiguous, and it's not tautologically contradictory
like that other term. And better yet, it's not specifically designed to
be devisive, like that other term.
And now, back to bread recipes :)
Ed B.
>
> >"Ed B." huma...@nethere.com
> >Date: 9/3/2003 2:44 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3F564491...@nethere.com>
> >
> >I neglected to say that I usually shorten that to NAW Bread
> >
>
> You're just begging for a stream of puns, aren't you.
well...
> Or at least a letter from the National Organization of Women.
>
> :>)
NOW, NOW, I said NAW, not NOW
;-p
Ed B.
>
> my dad was native american, his great grandmother used to make squaw bread,
> it is also known as fry bread.
> y.b.
No, Fry bread is not the same thing as what is being referred to here.
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
wrote:
>AFAIK, yeast was not used in Native American baking. I don't know if
>starters were used.
>Certainly instant non-fat milk wasn't used. Raisins? Are the grapes
>native to North America (Concord, scuppernong) ever used for raisins?
I don't know about raisins, but certainly the following two item could
never have been used in Native American baking:
> 1/2 cup powdered instant non-fat milk
Powdered milk was invented by Nestle in Switzerland, and I truly doubt
that native Americans would have "sent away" for it for their bread!
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Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady
wrote:
>family wrote:
>>
>> my dad was native american, his great grandmother used to make squaw bread,
>> it is also known as fry bread.
>> y.b.
>
>No, Fry bread is not the same thing as what is being referred to here.
Perhaps its something closer to what the Mexicans make? I would be
willing to bet that its pretty rough and with few ingredients.
Feuer
in which some white guy says something like "We need to send the
illegal immigrants back where they came from" and an American Indian
chief says "I help you pack."
David
Static I
>Date: 9/4/2003 1:04 AM Central Standard Time
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Static I
>Date: 9/3/2003 7:31 PM Central Standard Time
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>
>
>Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
>
>> "Reg" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:5It5b.139$CL7.16...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>
>>>PS - Anyone born in America is by definition a Native American
>>>
>>
>> Maybe that is why Canadians changed from using "Native American" to
>> "Aboriginal" then finally (or at least most recently) to "First Nations."
>> FN people I know, however, still refer to themselves as Native or sometimes
>> Indian.
>
>Cool. That's interesting to know.
>
>As for me, I think a good term would be "Pre-European Americans". Hope
>it catches on. It's unambiguous, and it's not tautologically contradictory
>like that other term. And better yet, it's not specifically designed to
>be devisive, like that other term.
No chance - in this day and age, groups generally get to name themselves.
There is a term similar to what you are using, but only as a timeline in
history: Pre-Columbian.
It isn't really the Natives who are out of whack here - our calling ourselves
"Americans" hogged the name for the entire Western Hemisphere.
>
>And now, back to bread recipes :)
>
Yes. I'm not sure what everybody sees in Outback, anyway.
Wcsjohn
>You're just begging for a stream of puns, aren't you.
>
>Or at least a letter from the National Organization of Women.
>
"Not NOW dear, I have a headache"
John
Ed B.
Davida Chazan - The Chocolate Lady wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:59:49 -0700, "Ed B." <huma...@nethere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >family wrote:
> >>
> >> my dad was native american, his great grandmother used to make squaw bread,
> >> it is also known as fry bread.
> >> y.b.
> >
> >No, Fry bread is not the same thing as what is being referred to here.
>
> Perhaps its something closer to what the Mexicans make? I would be
> willing to bet that its pretty rough and with few ingredients.
>
Are you referring to "Squaw" bread? AFAIK the Mexicans make tortillas
and bolillos. "Squaw" bread is nothing like either of those. "Squaw"
bread is not rough and actually has quite a few ingredients. All the
liquids and the raisins are mixed together in a blender.
I believe it is of fairly recent origin and I don't believe it was
developed by the original inhabitants of the Americas. They would never
have called it "Squaw" bread.
That takes us back to the beginning of this thread, the first response
to the request for a recipe. Since we have come full circle IMO it is
time to end this discussion.
Ed B.
>
> >Reg r...@nospam.com
> >Date: 9/3/2003 7:31 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <3Kv5b.222$aU.20...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
> >
> >
> >Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
> >
> >> "Reg" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5It5b.139$CL7.16...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>PS - Anyone born in America is by definition a Native American
> >>>
> >>
> >> Maybe that is why Canadians changed from using "Native American" to
> >> "Aboriginal" then finally (or at least most recently) to "First Nations."
> >> FN people I know, however, still refer to themselves as Native or sometimes
> >> Indian.
> >
> >Cool. That's interesting to know.
> >
> >As for me, I think a good term would be "Pre-European Americans". Hope
> >it catches on. It's unambiguous, and it's not tautologically contradictory
> >like that other term. And better yet, it's not specifically designed to
> >be devisive, like that other term.
>
> No chance - in this day and age, groups generally get to name themselves.
And that's as it should be.
> There is a term similar to what you are using, but only as a timeline in
> history: Pre-Columbian.
>
> It isn't really the Natives who are out of whack here - our calling ourselves
> "Americans" hogged the name for the entire Western Hemisphere.
> >
> >And now, back to bread recipes :)
> >
>
> Yes. I'm not sure what everybody sees in Outback, anyway.
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Reg
Ed B. wrote:
> Static I wrote:
>
>>>Reg r...@nospam.com
>>>Date: 9/3/2003 7:31 PM Central Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <3Kv5b.222$aU.20...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Reg" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:5It5b.139$CL7.16...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>PS - Anyone born in America is by definition a Native American
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe that is why Canadians changed from using "Native American" to
>>>>"Aboriginal" then finally (or at least most recently) to "First Nations."
>>>>FN people I know, however, still refer to themselves as Native or sometimes
>>>>Indian.
>>>
>>>Cool. That's interesting to know.
>>>
>>>As for me, I think a good term would be "Pre-European Americans". Hope
>>>it catches on. It's unambiguous, and it's not tautologically contradictory
>>>like that other term. And better yet, it's not specifically designed to
>>>be devisive, like that other term.
>>
>>No chance - in this day and age, groups generally get to name themselves.
>
>
> And that's as it should be.
Didn't you just say the thread was over? Or are you now starting it up
again?
Susan S
<lpis...@sbcglobal.net>:
>There is such a type of bread. Geez! All I was asking for was a recipe!
>Sorry you were offended! To prove to you there is such a bread, here is a
>recipe! An apology would be nice.
> Squaw Bread
>
I am married into an American Indian family and can tell you that
they find the term squaw bread offensive. While the origin of the
word is innocuous, it has been used in an offensive manner. The
manufacturers companies don't care, it sells bread.
Susan Silberstein
[snip]
Susan S
<no...@none.net>:
>my dad was native american, his great grandmother used to make squaw bread,
>it is also known as fry bread.
>y.b.
>"Feuer" <fe...@his.com> wrote in message news:3F556782...@his.com...
>>
In my husband's American Indian family, fry bread is nothing like
"Squaw" bread, a term we find unpleasant. Fry bread is AP flour,
some quick leavening, salt, nonfat dry milk, and water. It is
made into a soft dough, patted into a circle and deep fried.
There is no molasses, unlike the above-mentioned unmentionable
bread. In addition, that bread is yeast-leavened. <g>
Susan Silberstein