ISO unbleached bread flour in Ontario
EJM
very expensive in comparison to the noname unbleached allpurpose flour I
buy....$6 for 10kg of noname (Loblaws) allpurpose 11.52% protein; $3.50
for 2.5kg of RobinHood "best for bread" (probably bleached because it
doesn't say it isn't) 13.1%protein.
Not only would I like to get strong flour at a reasonable price but I
would like it if it were unbleached.
Does anyone know where to go in the Toronto area to get unbleached high
gluten flour at a reasonable price?
--
ejmorris aka llizard
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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barry
food service company. There are several in my area that will sell to the
public.
Barry
"EJM" <lli...@idirect.invalid> wrote in message
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qahtan
purchase was $12.99.
It's a brown paper sack, and say's Robin Hood, Bakers flour on it.
When I have looked up the Robin Hood site I can find nothing about it.
I use it for all my white breads, my pastry and cake making, have even make
genoise sponge with it and
had no problems.
But it is NOT unbleached,,,,,,,,,,,,,, qahtan.
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graham
"EJM" <lli...@idirect.invalid> wrote in message
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I have a copy of the Bakers Journal that has a directory of all the flour
millers in Canada (and one in the US). It is 9 pages long. I could scan it
and e-mail it to you if you like. You could then contact them and fond out
where their distributors are.
I have tried getting flour from a miller's distributor but they had a 5 bag
minimum and I can't justify buying 100kg of flour!
Graham
EJM
<lli...@idirect.invalid> wrote:
>Does anyone know where to go in the Toronto area to get unbleached high
>gluten flour at a reasonable price?
For others in the Toronto area, here is a copy of an email I received:
...............................................................
: To: llizard
: Subject: Re: ISO unbleached bread flour in Ontario
: From: "Allan MacNeil, P.Eng." <address withheld>
: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:44:13 -0500
:
: I don't like to post to usenet but feel free to forward this to
: alt.bread.recipes if you wish.
:
: Arva Flour Mills
:
: Located just north of London Ontario
: 519-660-0199
:
: Hard unbleached white
: 2.5kg $3.60
: 10kg $9.75
: 22.7kg $21.10
: 100lb $38.00
:
: All sorts of baking supplies and various flours. Fresh Rye and Whole
: Wheat, hard to find items. Sell on web site, check for shipping or an
: interesting store to visit
:
: http://www.arvaflourmills.com/
:
: Suraby
: 1052 Birchmount Road,
: Scarborough, ON
: M1K 1S4
:
: 416-285-8518
:
: Birchmount, just north of Eglington on West side, free parking and open
: evenings and weekends. Bulk food for food services open to
: public. Various bulk flours, I have had good results with Rogers
: Unbleached white. Rice, beans, bulk spices (ie Cinnamon 200g $1.25). Good
: source for bulk staples and unusual items, particularly Indian and Carribean.
:
: Grain Process Enterprises Ltd
: 115 Commander Boulevard,
: Scarborough, ON
: M1S 3M7
:
: 416-291-3226
:
: I don't know if they sell directly to public but probably worth a call. If
: they don't they will probably refer you to distributer.
:
: If you know of a good source for Diastatic Malt powder or syrup in this
: area I would appreciate hearing.
:
: Good luck
: Allan
:...........................................................
Many thanks to Allan for this information. Once the snowstorm stops, I'll
look into the Scarborough places. (London will have to wait til spring, I
think.)
I got barley malt syrup at our local health food store (Evergreen Foods).
I don't know if it is Diastatic Malt - all that is on the label is 100%
pure barley malt. I'm afraid I don't recall how much I paid but the syrup
seems fine and bread I have made with it has risen but then there was
plenty of flour for the yeast to feed on.
I suppose it's possible that the Bulk Store on Leslie near the Lakeshore
in Toronto might carry it. But judging from their other prices, it
probably won't be the cheapest that you can get in the area.
The fellow who wrote the following page says you can make your own
diastatic malt:
http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/whatisdiastaticmalt.html
(cc via email to Allan MacNeil)
Ben
> : All sorts of baking supplies and various flours. Fresh Rye and Whole
> : Wheat, hard to find items. Sell on web site, check for shipping or an
> : interesting store to visit
> :
> : http://www.arvaflourmills.com/
> :
Site doesn't seem to exist when I click on it.
regards,
Ben
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"Ben" <a...@efg.com> wrote in message
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> EJM wrote:
> > : All sorts of baking supplies and various flours. Fresh Rye and Whole
> > : Wheat, hard to find items. Sell on web site, check for shipping or an
> > : interesting store to visit
> > :
> > : http://www.arvaflourmills.com/
> > :
>
> Site doesn't seem to exist when I click on it.
> regards,
> Ben
>
>
Debbie
Tim
flour. It is a product of canada.
Many bakers use it for rolls etc.
Tim
ponder
Mills, it is great for bread.
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Ben
>>>Site doesn't seem to exist when I click on it.
>>>regards,
>>>Ben
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Worked for me
Works for me now too.
EJM
wrote:
>For the record, and many months later because I just joined the group,
>in the Toronto area other places that sell these flours are John Vince
>Foods and the Bulk Barn. John Vince is just west of Dufferin south of
>Finch Avenue and can be reached by taking the 401 to the Allen and
>taking the Allen north until it becomes Dufferin, etc. There are a
>number of Bulk Barns around, one just south of Steeles on Dufferin,
>about 2 kilometers north of John Vince. Prices are even lower then
>the prices quoted below.
Excuse me for replying to this thread so much later than your reply, rsh.
It has been ages since I've looked into the newsgroup! Last fall, we did a
little price checking at Bulk Barn. The price for unbleached all purpose
flour there works out to about twice the price of the 10kg bags of No-name
unbleached allpurpose (Loblaws). Bulk Barn is just not good value for
large quantities. (The no-name allpurpose is very good for bread making -
but not so good for bagel making.)
I haven't yet tried John Vince. That is pretty far from me - but once the
snow disappears (if it ever disappears) and the temperatures become a
little more reasonable, I'll take a bike ride up there to check it out.
They have high-gluten unbleached flour AND high gluten whole wheat flour
there, rsh? Do you know any prices per kilo off-hand?
-ejm
>For the interested Black and Decker states in their manuals for the
>bread makers that Canadian All Purpose Flour can be used as if it were
>Bread Flour while US All Purpose Flour canNOT be used as if it were
>Bread Flour.
>
>I have also seen loose flour for sale at Dominion Supermarkets, some
>of which are open 24 hours a day so you can get your baking needs when
>there is NO traffic on the roads. Gluten is also sold loose or bulk
>at some Dominion stores. The one I can specifically recall having it
>was on Church off Yonge in North York, between Sheppard and Finch.
>
>Those in the US will find the above totally meaningless, but as is
>stated, we in Canada have different wheat, different corn meal, and so
>on, and recipes may NOT translate because of those differences.
>
>Its a bit like Heinz Ketchup... Different formulas used on the two
>sides of the border by the manufacturer. Applies to the amount of
>gluten in all purpose flour as well.
>
>FWIW...
>
>RSH
[snip]
>>"EJM" wrote in message
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>>> The bagels I made recently were such a hit but the high protein flour was
>>> very expensive in comparison to the noname unbleached allpurpose flour I
>>> buy....$6 for 10kg of noname (Loblaws) allpurpose 11.52% protein; $3.50
>>> for 2.5kg of RobinHood "best for bread" (probably bleached because it
>>> doesn't say it isn't) 13.1%protein.
>>>
>>> Not only would I like to get strong flour at a reasonable price but I
>>> would like it if it were unbleached.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where to go in the Toronto area to get unbleached high
>>> gluten flour at a reasonable price?
>>>
>>>
--
emorris aka llizard
llizard (a+) idirec+ (do+) ca
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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RsH
<lliza...@yahooTAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrote:
>Excuse me for replying to this thread so much later than your reply, rsh.
>It has been ages since I've looked into the newsgroup! Last fall, we did a
>little price checking at Bulk Barn. The price for unbleached all purpose
>flour there works out to about twice the price of the 10kg bags of No-name
>unbleached allpurpose (Loblaws). Bulk Barn is just not good value for
>large quantities. (The no-name allpurpose is very good for bread making -
>but not so good for bagel making.)
Absolutely agree that for LARGE amounts I would not bother with Bulk
Barn. Their prices are NOT the best and unless you cannot find it
somewhere else I do not look there. They do sell 1 pound vacuum packs
of Fleishmann's Yeast that I have not been able to find for a better
price here in Toronto, but otherwise their prices can often be beat IF
you are comparing to no-name. They may, however, be providing a brand
name product and then it may make a difference to you [or not]
>I haven't yet tried John Vince. That is pretty far from me - but once the
>snow disappears (if it ever disappears) and the temperatures become a
>little more reasonable, I'll take a bike ride up there to check it out.
>They have high-gluten unbleached flour AND high gluten whole wheat flour
>there, rsh? Do you know any prices per kilo off-hand?
Not offhand but they do sell 20 and 40 kilo bags of flours for bakers,
etc., as well as loose in the bins. Feel free to TELEPHONE them to
ask, instead of cycling all the way up. Of course if you take the
subway with your bike on it to the end of the line at Downsview you
have a relatively short bike trip :-) but the choice is yours.
John Vince Foods/Planters 1 800 268 7950
http://www.johnvince.com/JVFFrame.html
Look for yourself at their catalog...
>>>> The bagels I made recently were such a hit but the high protein flour was
>>>> very expensive in comparison to the noname unbleached allpurpose flour I
>>>> buy....$6 for 10kg of noname (Loblaws) allpurpose 11.52% protein; $3.50
>>>> for 2.5kg of RobinHood "best for bread" (probably bleached because it
>>>> doesn't say it isn't) 13.1%protein.
>>>>
>>>> Not only would I like to get strong flour at a reasonable price but I
>>>> would like it if it were unbleached.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know where to go in the Toronto area to get unbleached high
>>>> gluten flour at a reasonable price?
From the JohnVince catalog...
12087 All Purpose Flour Unbleached High Loaf
Farine non blanchie tout usage 40.00 kg bag
What they charge for the 40 kilos I do not know, but that has to be a
relatively low price for 88 pounds of flour...
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EJM
<r...@idirect.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:56:25 -0500, EJM
><lliza...@yahooTAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>>I haven't yet tried John Vince. That is pretty far from me - but once the
>>snow disappears (if it ever disappears) and the temperatures become a
>>little more reasonable, I'll take a bike ride up there to check it out.
>>They have high-gluten unbleached flour AND high gluten whole wheat flour
>>there, rsh? Do you know any prices per kilo off-hand?
>
>Not offhand but they do sell 20 and 40 kilo bags of flours for bakers,
>etc., as well as loose in the bins. Feel free to TELEPHONE them to
>ask, instead of cycling all the way up. Of course if you take the
>subway with your bike on it to the end of the line at Downsview you
>have a relatively short bike trip :-) but the choice is yours.
>
>John Vince Foods/Planters 1 800 268 7950
>http://www.johnvince.com/JVFFrame.html
>Look for yourself at their catalog...
20 kilos is kind of a lot to carry on a bike... but I see from looking at
their site that they sell 10kilo bags of flour as well. It's a little
surprising that there are no prices listed on the site. It also looks like
it is wholesale only. Or am I misreading something?
[snip]
>From the JohnVince catalog...
>12087 All Purpose Flour Unbleached High Loaf
> Farine non blanchie tout usage 40.00 kg bag
>
>What they charge for the 40 kilos I do not know, but that has to be a
>relatively low price for 88 pounds of flour...
and 40 kilos on the back of the bike is out of the question! I'm crazy but
not that crazy! I'll definitely phone first to make sure it's not a wild
goose chase. Although the adventure of finding a way to ride up there and
stay in neighbourhoods or on bikepaths might make it all worth-while. (if
the snow ever disappears)
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"EJM" <lliza...@yahooTAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrote in message
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> In article <9ifd11leg8j0pgqip...@4ax.com>, RsH
> <r...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:56:25 -0500, EJM
>><lliza...@yahooTAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrot
Have you tried the "wholesale" outlets of Superstore/Loblaws? I bought a
20kg bag of Robin Hood bread flour for less than $10 the other day at one of
these outlets in Calgary. AP was about the same price.
Graham
RsH
<lliza...@yahooTAKEOUTTHEGARBAGE.com> wrote:
>>John Vince Foods/Planters 1 800 268 7950
>>http://www.johnvince.com/JVFFrame.html
>>Look for yourself at their catalog...
>
>20 kilos is kind of a lot to carry on a bike... but I see from looking at
>their site that they sell 10kilo bags of flour as well. It's a little
>surprising that there are no prices listed on the site. It also looks like
>it is wholesale only. Or am I misreading something?
NOT wholesale only... Relatively LARGE retail outlet, IF you go there,
for bulk sale of loose candies, dried fruits, gums, etc. They also
have a small 'sit at the counter' deli in the back, a 'fragrance' area
where they sell fragrances, a fresh veggies for sale area, ethnic
canned goods, the various types of flour they sell in bulk bins where
you can fill your own plastic bags, etc., as well as the larger bags
of flours. They have every kind of Planters Peanut product since they
MAKE the Canadian Planters stuff, as well as all of the factory
rejects from their Planter's plant, which is right next door.
Wholesale covers their shipping via their catalog around the world.
For that you need to open an account, and meet their minimums in
dollar terms every time you order, or you pay extra for shipping
costs. If you go to their location, on Steeprock, you can go in and
simply buy one banana if you want to :-) and if you can avoid spending
a hundred dollars on various candies, dried fruits, etc.
As to how to ride there on a bike, they are just up the road from the
Downsview Subway station, so IF you take your bike on the subway to
there, ride EAST on Sheppard to Wilson Heights [two blocks] and then
NORTH on Wilson Heights to Codsell [two blocks], then east a very
short block to Honiton, then north to Overbrook. Once at Overbrook go
west, and at the light go straight across Dufferin and it becomes
Steeprock. John Vince is on your left after you ride one block past
Dufferin and cross over Lodestar. Not very much traffic on any of the
roads if you go that way. According to Streets and Trips this totals
2.5 kilometers :-) which shouldn't be too much of a stretch on a bike.
Shorter is west on Sheppard across the Allen to the 2nd instance of
Kodiak Crescent on the north side, then right to Whitehorse Road, then
left to Steeprock and then right to John Vince. That is about 1.7
kilometers but with more commercial traffic on the roads. This also
takes you right past the Corningware Outlet store, so if you want any
of their 'baking' supplies, stop in and take a look. A cheap computer
place is in that same strip mall too, selling relatively cheap blank
CDs, DVDs, etc.
Anyway, if you do NOT take the subway to Downsview Station, then you
have to figure out the route that gets you to this general area, and I
do NOT recommend the ups and downs of Bathurst north of Sheppard, or
Sheppard east of Bathurst, etc. so it may be wise to come up Bathurst
to Sheppard, then west to either Wilson Heights if taking the first
route, or to Kodiak Crescent if taking the second route.
Have fun...
RsH
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