'Resting' in Panasonic Bread Machine Program

[Tim W]

I use my bread machine a lot, normally to prepare dough. The standard Dough
program is three stages: Rest, Knead, Rise. Then I knock back, shape, prove
and bake by hand. In the 2hr 20mins it takes to go through this program the
first 50 mins it does absolutely nothing at all. The screen says Resting but
no mixing of any kind has taken place so there is dry flour, wet flour, a
puddle of water, unhydrated yeast, just sitting there. Can this possibly be
right? What purpose could it serve? Surely the ingredients need to be at
least mixed together first? What exactly is 'resting' in baking anyway?

I am experimenting with using the Pizza Dough program instead. That gives me
Knead, Rise, Knead again, Rise again all in 45mins. Then I can set it aside
a while to rest.

Tim W

[Mary Fisher]

"Tim W" <tim.whitt...@mtavirgin.net> wrote in message
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>I use my bread machine a lot, normally to prepare dough. The standard Dough
>program is three stages: Rest, Knead, Rise. Then I knock back, shape, prove
>and bake by hand. In the 2hr 20mins it takes to go through this program the
>first 50 mins it does absolutely nothing at all. The screen says Resting
>but no mixing of any kind has taken place so there is dry flour, wet flour,
>a puddle of water, unhydrated yeast, just sitting there. Can this possibly
>be right? What purpose could it serve? Surely the ingredients need to be at
>least mixed together first? What exactly is 'resting' in baking anyway?

I can't answer all your questions but my machine certainly begins to mix as
soon as it's switched on.

No idea what it does from then on though :-)

Mary

[Belle Jean]

I don't know if it's right or not but I have an OLD panasonic bread
machine, from the early 1990s, and it has always been the same way,
except that mine rests for the first 30 minutes of the cycle. I believe
I read in the manual when I first got the machine that it does this so
that all ingredients can be brought to room temp or slightly above. I
notice it gets a little warm during this initial resting phase but it
could be my imagination. Often times, if I'm making a simple sandwich
bread, I would use butter and milk right out of the refrigerator and so
during the first resting they would be warmed a bit before kneading
begins.

[Bumper]

You didn't mention which model you have, but my ST-DP65P mixes
everything but the yeast, stops mixing and then drops the yeast and then
"rests" . I believe this is call autolysing (sp?) and to my knowledge
the Panasonics are the only BM that do this. Others can't I presume
because you put the yeast in with the other ingredients. If your machine
is not mixing the ingredients and then resting you may have a problem.
If I remember correctly if you use the rapid setting it either skips or
shortens the rest cycle.

HTH

[Bertie Doe]

"Tim W" < wrote in message

> I am experimenting with using the Pizza Dough program instead. That gives
> me Knead, Rise, Knead again, Rise again all in 45mins. Then I can set it
> aside > a while to rest.
>

My cheapo Argos BM makes great dough on the dough setting :-

Switch on and it paddles for about 5mins and then rests.
At 20 mins it gives a short 2 min burst.
At 40 it gives it's last paddle cycle of 30 seconds.
I immediately remove and place in a cold oven, for the final rise.

I would stick with your pizza program, it looks about right.

Bertie

[Tim W]

"Belle Jean" <bellejean@com_cast.net> wrote in message
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>>
> I don't know if it's right or not but I have an OLD panasonic bread
> machine, from the early 1990s, and it has always been the same way, except
> that mine rests for the first 30 minutes of the cycle. I believe I read
> in the manual when I first got the machine that it does this so that all
> ingredients can be brought to room temp or slightly above. I notice it
> gets a little warm during this initial resting phase but it could be my
> imagination. Often times, if I'm making a simple sandwich bread, I would
> use butter and milk right out of the refrigerator and so during the first
> resting they would be warmed a bit before kneading begins.
>

It must have been something like this. Really they only had to say use
lukewarm water.

How

Annoying.

Tim of TG08s
Six months, three weeks, six days, 11 hs, 20 mins & 3 secs. 2525 cigarettes
not smoked, saving £568.16. Life saved: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 25 minutes.
Going all the way this time.

[Tim W]

"Bumper" <bobe...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> You didn't mention which model you have, but my ST-DP65P mixes
> everything but the yeast, stops mixing and then drops the yeast and then
> "rests" . I believe this is call autolysing (sp?) and to my knowledge
> the Panasonics are the only BM that do this. Others can't I presume
> because you put the yeast in with the other ingredients. If your machine
> is not mixing the ingredients and then resting you may have a problem.
> If I remember correctly if you use the rapid setting it either skips or
> shortens the rest cycle.
>

Thanks,

SD 553. No rapid dough setting, no autolysing.

Tim of TG08s
Six months, three weeks, six days, 11 hs, 22 mins & 31 secs. 2525 cigarettes
not smoked, saving £568.17. Life saved: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 25 minutes.

[Mary Fisher]

"Tim W" <tim.whitt...@mtavirgin.net> wrote in message

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>
> Tim of TG08s
> Six months, three weeks, six days, 11 hs, 20 mins & 3 secs. 2525
> cigarettes not smoked, saving £568.16. Life saved: 1 week, 1 day, 18
> hours, 25 minutes. Going all the way this time.

Well done! Keep at it.

After twenty four years, five months and six days I rarely think about it.

Unless someone brings it up :-)

It's worth it - I've no idea how much I've saved - rather, WE've saved - but
in our dotage we have more money than ever which I'm sure wouldn't have been
the case if we hadn't stopped. Assuming we were still alive ...

We certainly wouldn't be able to afford the forthcoming cruise :-)

Mary

>
>

[Wandering]

Both the machines I have (two different brands from Panasonic) used worked
exactly like that. I don't know why, but that is what the manufacturer
intended. Perhaps someone here will explain why they do it. My whole wheat
cycles did the same thing.

"Tim W" <tim.whitt...@mtavirgin.net> wrote in message

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[Doug Irv]

Tim W wrote:
>
> Tim of TG08s
> Six months, three weeks, six days, 11 hs, 20 mins & 3 secs. 2525 cigarettes
> not smoked, saving £568.16. Life saved: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 25 minutes.
> Going all the way this time.
>
>

Hang in there, man! 36 years ago, after smoking cigs for 20 years, and
inhaling a pipe for 10 more, the day our second daughter was getting
married to a person whom I did not wish her to marry, and I did not go
to the wedding, I quit smoking! We lived in the fruit country of British
Columbia at that time, it was a very hot day on the side of the mountain
we lived upon, I lit my pipe and began to cough! After a few minutes of
not being able to stop hacking, I stopped and said: What am I doing this
to myself for?!! Went down town, bought a package of Nicodent gum, and
left all the numerous pipes, tobacco and MATCHES!! still where they sat!
My wife returned from the town where the wedding took place, and was
home 3 days before she realized that I had quit smoking!
Never regretted quitting, still have COPD but I would not have seen 82
had I not quit when I did.
The marriage? lasted 14 months! I knew too much about this clown, a drug
addicted musician, who had to be flown down from an interior town in a
straight jacket after a bad LSD trip! But could I make our daughter
listen? Nope! She is married again, quite happily to a hard working guy
who has his own business and makes an excellent living for them!
Cheers, old Doug on Vancouver Island BC

[sueb]

On Jul 25, 5:31 am, "Wandering" <amore....@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Both the machines I have (two different brands from Panasonic) used worked
> exactly like that. I don't know why, but that is what the manufacturer
> intended. Perhaps someone here will explain why they do it.  My whole wheat
> cycles did the same thing.
>

> "Tim W" <tim.whittinghamn...@mtavirgin.net> wrote in message

>
> news:eV0ik.32233$E41....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>
>
> >I use my bread machine a lot, normally to prepare dough. The standard Dough
> >program is three stages: Rest, Knead, Rise. Then I knock back, shape, prove
> >and bake by hand. In the 2hr 20mins it takes to go through this program the
> >first 50 mins it does absolutely nothing at all. The screen says Resting
> >but no mixing of any kind has taken place so there is dry flour, wet flour,
> >a puddle of water, unhydrated yeast, just sitting there. Can this possibly
> >be right? What purpose could it serve? Surely the ingredients need to be at
> >least mixed together first? What exactly is 'resting' in baking anyway?
>

My ABM, not Panasonic, does the same thing. It says it is
"preheating" for about 30 minutes before it starts mixing and
kneading. I'm pretty anal about getting everything to room temp
before I load it up so don't really see why it needs to "preheat."

Susan B.

[Bumper]

Doug Irv <di...@shaw.ca> wrote:

You got me beat. I'm only up to 33 years this October. But the marriage
in my equation was to my wife of ....... 33 years this October. Figured
if I could make it thru the hoop-de-la of the wedding I could make it
through anything, Cold Turkey. Only took ten years to really get over
it. Still it was worth it.

[BobbiJo_AZ]

My machine has a 30 minute resting period only on the whole wheat
cycle. I always assumed that this was to permit the whole wheat to
become hydrated before the mixing process started.

[Ed B.]

Congratulations on your smoking cessation. Stick with it. You'll be
healthier and you and your clothes won't reek of stale tobacco. I am
approaching the 17 year mark (cessation date - October 16, 1991).

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[ozbun...@gmail.com]

As others have said, it's to allow the ingredients to get to room temperature. You will find the 'rapid' mode will skip this, although it will also shorten some of the other steps and I suspect use a slightly higher temperature, all resulting in not quite as good a loaf. My old Kenwood didn't do it - it just assumed you were smart enough to use room temperature/warm water if not using the timer and started mixing immediately - but my Panasonic has the up to hour (if making the XL size loaf) period of just sitting there to make it idiot proof. Totally threw me when I first used it. I also don't understand Panasonic saying the yeast should go in first to prevent it from mixing with the liquid - my Kenwood always said to put the liquids in first, then the flour, then the yeast. Made a hell of a lot more sense to me.

[Boron Elgar]

Oh wow, a 10 yr old post.

Nothings needs to get to room temp, as nothing goes in cold. It may be
an autolyze of sorts, though. I am betting there was an initial mix.

[TimW]

No initial mix, just a strange and pointless 50minute wait. After a
while I learned to start a program which did have an initial mix, then
turn the machine off and on then start the program I wanted so I got a
slightly longer fermentation.

Tim

[Peter Flynn]

On 22/09/18 15:57, TimW wrote:
> On 21/09/18 16:24, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT), ozbun...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]>>

>> Oh wow, a 10 yr old post.

I think the date may have escaped notice. People don't look at headers
any more.

>> Nothings needs to get to room temp, as nothing goes in cold. It may be
>> an autolyze of sorts, though. I am betting there was an initial mix.

I have that Panasonic, and the pause at the start is indeed to allow
ingredients to get to room temperature. I suspect the lawyers asked for
it to prevent vexatious suits from people whose bread failed because
they used frozen butter, or iced water.

> No initial mix, just a strange and pointless 50 minute wait.

As I almost always use the machine for an overnight bake, it's moot. As
my butter is kept in the fridge, and as I have a filter tap for my
drinking and cooking water so it is always very cold, letting it all
come to equilibrium first make sense.

(The filter tap isn't for water hardness, as we have lovely soft water,
but the water company's lawyers insist on way too much chlorine so that
they can't possibly be sued for microbial activity.)

>>> I also don't understand Panasonic saying the yeast should go in
>>> first to prevent it from mixing with the liquid - my Kenwood
>>> always said to put the liquids in first, then the flour, then the
>>> yeast. Made a hell of a lot more sense to me.

Moot. One way or another, if the ingredients are going to be left rest
for an hour, then you do indeed need to keep them apart, so it doesn't
matter which way round they go so long as the flour forms a plug between
yeats and liquid. The Kenwood way makes exactly no more or less sense
than the Panasonic way,and vice versa.

P

[ozbun...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:24:46 UTC+10, Boron Elgar wrote:

> Oh wow, a 10 yr old post.

Ooops. Yes, my fault. I did look at the date, but I saw August 2018 not 2008! <blush>

[lewis...@gmail.com]

Hi - I don’t know how to start new post - first time accessed this (via iPhone) was glad to see that there was a more recent(ish) response to what was exactly my same question.

So I have the Panasonic SD2500, and now know that this resting option (which could be up to 2hrs+ for French loaf!!!) is apparently to ensure ingredients such as liquids and fats are at a consistent temperature to give the yeast a chance to work correctly or something like that.

However I have tried 3 times (and have already made sure fats and water are not chilled) using the standard menu for white bread and had no success. I have changed flour type I have triple checked measurements (only used yeast at time of opening packet) etc.

Then having had to wait for 4hrs plus in anticipation faced the disappointment of a dense solid lump of doughy and crusted flour block at end.

However using same ingredients but choosing to have the bread maker just mix and knead it - remove it knock back and do the shaping and second prove and bake in oven works ok?

This seems to suggest that the rest (before doing anything) is not helping the process.

That however is rather a waste of bread maker as could have used normal mixer with the dough blade attachment!

I am now stuck using shop bought bread mixes which use the rapid option (no rest straight to knead step)- theses all work ok

[Gerardus]

Hello,

I bought by mistake natural dry yeast i.e. without additive but I'm afraid the loaf is denser than with normal dry yeast i.e. with Sorbitan monostearate ...

Such additives are present in bread mixes !


Gerardus

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[Peter Flynn]

On 20/01/2019 09:58, lewis...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi - I don’t know how to start new post

Looks like you are accessing Usenet via the Google Groups interface. If
you do this in a regular browser on a desktop/laptop/tablet there should
be a red rectangle saying New Topic. On a phone, I think it's an icon of
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of Chrome, it's the right-hand-most icon).

If you use Usenet News frequently, have a look for a regular newsreader,
or an email program like Thunderbird that supports Usenet News.

Welcome to Usenet :-)

> So I have the Panasonic SD2500, and now know that this resting option
> (which could be up to 2hrs+ for French loaf!!!) is apparently to
> ensure ingredients such as liquids and fats are at a consistent
> temperature to give the yeast a chance to work correctly or something
> like that.
>
> However I have tried 3 times (and have already made sure fats and
> water are not chilled) using the standard menu for white bread and
> had no success. I have changed flour type I have triple checked
> measurements (only used yeast at time of opening packet) etc.

Hmm. I have made the "French" loaf from the Panasonic recipe book many
times and it sees to work. But my machine (SD253) has a menu setting for
French bread: I haven't done the French bread recipe using the standard
white bread setting. The manual should have a list of the timings (mix,
knead, rest, rise, bake, etc) for all the settings.

> Then having had to wait for 4hrs plus in anticipation faced the
> disappointment of a dense solid lump of doughy and crusted flour
> block at end.

Something is more badly wrong with this than just the wrong mixer
setting. Are you sure the paddle is on correctly and turning properly? I
had several failures before I realised I had left a congealed fragment
of bread from a previous bake stuck to the paddle shaft which was making
the paddle fall off during the work, and I hadn't noticed because with
the recipe I was using, the paddle would often drop naturally out of the
loaf when removed. Can you bake anything at all in the machine? Or just
mix, as you say below?

> However using same ingredients but choosing to have the bread maker
> just mix and knead it - remove it knock back and do the shaping and
> second prove and bake in oven works ok?

Weird. I'd say it's just plain broken somewhere.

> This seems to suggest that the rest (before doing anything) is not
> helping the process.

I doubt it, from what you say. But you could test it: check the manual
for how long the rest period is (or measure it while running). Then
start the program but leave the pan empty, and open the lid when the
rest period is over and dump all the ingredients in and let it go to work.

P

[skykit...@gmail.com]

It's normal, mine does the same thing. It's the machine bringing all the ingredients inside to room temperature. You may notice that the exterior of your machine may feel kind of warm. Takes about a 1/2 hour.

[susan.c...@gmail.com]

This an old string, I realize. Many bread sites explain the benefit of autolysing.

[Peter Flynn]

On 08/07/2020 17:52, susan.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> This an old string, I realize. Many bread sites explain the benefit of autolysing.

If they are new bread-machine users, as I was, they probably haven't got
that far yet — I certainly didn't until I'd had the machine for a couple
of years. I was too busy baking bread and putting on weight :-(

P

[TimW]

It was never anything to do with autolysing. It was bread makers that
leave unmixed ingredients doing nothing for an hour for no reason.

TW