a platelet of that new blood
Oliver Gili
I *have* been invited... :-)
I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
should be interested in I won't
any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
know that allready).
Oliver
--
Oliver Gili
<something clever>
<something witty>
no really
Quo Vadis
<oljen.mail....@millsgili.demon.co.uk> writes
>Hi
>
>I *have* been invited... :-)
>
>I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
>should be interested in I won't
>
>any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
>know that allready).
>
>Oliver
>
>
HI Oliver ! you made it. Just getting over POSSD - post Open Studios
Stress Disorder at this end. I could post you a set of the FAQs, bit
seeing as none of us adhere to them and Dan, our moderator, is the most
unmoderated person on earth, I doubt it is worth it. So welcome !
When Tinman gets our webpage sorted out perhaps you could post some of
those images I had the pleasure of seeing on Saturday ? Are you running
Turnpike ? it already has FTP software on it for transferring files to
the net. Erik will be fascinated by them.
Enjoy !
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
"And if there is still one hellish, truely accursed thing in our time, it is
our artistic dallying with forms, instead of being like victims burnt at the
stake, signaling through the flames."-Antonin Artaud.
Kay
get plain silly (as you can see if you've read a big block of past
postings). Disagree if you like, but (so far) no flaming. I'm from the USA,
so am fascinated with the Royal Family...
Kay
Oliver Gili wrote in message ...
:Hi
:
:I *have* been invited... :-)
:
:I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
:should be interested in I won't
:
:any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
:know that allready).
:
:Oliver
:
:
:--
Dan Fox
> Hi
>
> I *have* been invited... :-)
>
> I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
> should be interested in I won't
>
> any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
> know that allready).
>
> Oliver
Hi, Oliver - nice to have you here. No ground rules that I can think of;
we're trying to minimize the off-topic gossip and sex-oriented posts; Kay,
Alison and I are the real offenders here and we're promising to do
better.
A bio-pic would be fine with me.
--
Dan
'The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.' - Blake
www.danfoxart.com
Dan Fox
> Welcome Oliver and enjoy. We try and stick to art topics but sometimes
> we get plain silly (as you can see if you've read a big block of past
> postings). Disagree if you like, but (so far) no flaming. I'm from the
> USA, so am fascinated with the Royal Family...
> Kay
I'm from the USA and am more interested in cholera than the royal family.
However, I do like Francis Bacon and Lucian Freud. The Profumo scandal
was pretty cool, too.
AAR
<dan...@erols.com> writes
>
>Hi, Oliver - nice to have you here. No ground rules that I can think of;
>we're trying to minimize the off-topic gossip and sex-oriented posts; Kay,
>Alison and I are the real offenders here and we're promising to do
>better.
speak for yourself, Dan - I never make promises I can't keep ;-)
--
Alison
Kay
Dan Fox wrote in message <19990707082958.106$l...@newsreader.com>...
:"Kay" <scarl...@theriver.com> wrote:
:> Welcome Oliver and enjoy. We try and stick to art topics but sometimes
:> we get plain silly (as you can see if you've read a big block of past
:> postings). Disagree if you like, but (so far) no flaming. I'm from the
:> USA, so am fascinated with the Royal Family...
:> Kay
:
:I'm from the USA and am more interested in cholera than the royal family.
:However, I do like Francis Bacon and Lucian Freud. The Profumo scandal
:was pretty cool, too.
I REALLY DON"T like Lucian Freud.
Kay
:--
Quo Vadis
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>I REALLY DON"T like Lucian Freud.
>Kay
I really don't either. He is so heavy handed and his paintings lack
*soul*. However, Jenny Saville, who paints *in the style of* does some
really fine work.
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
Oliver Gili
>> Hi
>>
>> I *have* been invited... :-)
>>
>> I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
>> should be interested in I won't
>>
>> any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
>> know that allready).
>>
>> Oliver
>
>we're trying to minimize the off-topic gossip and sex-oriented posts; Kay,
>Alison and I are the real offenders here and we're promising to do
>better.
>
>
help in the viewing of my images...
ok allright, a west london kid, did "intellectual history" at Sussex
University, then an art foundation, then the proper job thing, and now
at the age of 27 the prospect of another 20-30 years of the 9-5 fills me
with depression.... so I've decided to try and get enough money to live
by flogging my images...
I'm influenced by the post-impressionist art movements (the fauves,
orphism, early cubism etc), islamic art, modern computer game graphics
(Quake2, Unreal et al), modern artists like Futura 2000, and the
geometry of aesthetics (man :) )
I think art should be about aesthetics, for me a painting that needs
text to be understood fails.
ern can I go now... :-)
Oliver
--
Oliver Gili
All errors in the written form of English are copyright my Dysgraphia 1999
Kay
Oliver Gili wrote in message <3hZZrBAP$6g3...@millsgili.demon.co.uk>...
:In article <19990707082731.276$y...@newsreader.com>, Dan Fox
:<dan...@erols.com> writes
:>OLIVE...@BIGFOOT.COM wrote:
:>> Hi
:>>
:>> I *have* been invited... :-)
:>>
:>> I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
:>> should be interested in I won't
:>>
:>> any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
:>> know that allready).
:>>
:>> Oliver
:>
:>Hi, Oliver - nice to have you here. No ground rules that I can think of;
:>we're trying to minimize the off-topic gossip and sex-oriented posts; Kay,
:>Alison and I are the real offenders here and we're promising to do
:>better.
:>
:>A bio-pic would be fine with me.
:>
:its not fine with me though :-) I mean how does knowing about my history
:help in the viewing of my images...
#1 reason could be that (speaking for myself) we tend to spout mediums,
size, stylistic characteristics, education, resume, artist's statement, bio.
so many times it becomes an automatic identification process - kind of like
a name, rank and serial # brainwashing response. #2 You could be established
(and give us tips) or newly Emerging (and want some tips). If you are an
arts educator we might refer to that, if you are in school persuing a degree
you/we might refer to that as well. If you have an agent, dealer - or not,
sales - or not, it doesn't place you within a standing here but will help us
to know how to respond to things and what issues you may want to address.
In face, on another group, John Haber isn't an artist and doesn't have an
art degree, yet (IMO) he is just as knowledgable about art as any I've seen.
Like when I was a little girl and people would be moving in on our block and
my mother and I would peer out of the Venetian blinds and spy on them "to
see how they live" <-mom's words, didn't mean we were judging them, we just
wanted to know everything we could about them before introducing ourselves
to them. This way we would know whether to bring over a Casserole or to
wear sweaters with big pockets to steal their silverware.....
And that's why I am the way I am,
Kay
Kay
Oliver Gili wrote:
(snip)
:ok allright, a west london kid, did "intellectual history" at Sussex
:University, then an art foundation, then the proper job thing, and now
:at the age of 27 the prospect of another 20-30 years of the 9-5 fills me
:with depression.... so I've decided to try and get enough money to live
:by flogging my images...
My advice - Marry a woman (or man) who will financially support you...
:I'm influenced by the post-impressionist art movements (the fauves,
:orphism, early cubism etc), islamic art, modern computer game graphics
:(Quake2, Unreal et al), modern artists like Futura 2000, and the
:geometry of aesthetics (man :) )
Which is enough knowledge to get you flamed on another newsgroup, but you'll
be safe here ;-) It's funny, but each and every year I fall in love with
different artists and art movements. This year has been Anselm Keiffer,
Susan Rothenberg, Franz Marc and Marcel Duchamp. I'm gaining an appreciation
(slowly) for Ann Hamilton which surprises me and Joseph Bueys as well (I
used to absolutely HATE his work, now I'm becoming a fan!)
:I think art should be about aesthetics, for me a painting that needs
:text to be understood fails.
Then you don't like Barbara Kruger? Pat Ward Williams? It's OK, we aren't
all in agreement. Re: the text thing, I used to think Franz Marc's "Animal
Destinies" was OK and when I read the writings on the work I fell madly and
passionately in love. Same with Kandinsky's "Concerning the Spiritual in
Art" and van Gogh's letters and on and on.
:ern can I go now... :-)
No! We want to play :-)
Kay
:Oliver
KEITH OCONNOR
painting that needs
> text to be understood fails.
Mommy what is that? It is a painting? Why do
people buy paintings?
To enjoy them. How do they enjoy paintings? Your
Dad and I liked the colours in the painting over
the couch so much that we used them to decide on
the wall colours, and drapes, and rug, and
upholstery, and....
I just love those drapes I just saw, but they
don't go with the painting we have. We will just
have to get a new painting that matches those new
drapes I am thinking of buying.
Maybe I can sell the old painting to Bill ,
whenever he sees the painting he always talks
about it's wonderful aesthetic qualities, whatever
they are. Yes I'll sell it to Bill and get a new
painting to match the new drapes. Now that's real
aesthetics.
have fun:____________________
Oliver Gili wrote:
>
> In article <19990707082731.276$y...@newsreader.com>, Dan Fox
> <dan...@erols.com> writes
> >OLIVE...@BIGFOOT.COM wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I *have* been invited... :-)
> >>
> >> I would give a little bio-pic, but as its the now and the future you
> >> should be interested in I won't
> >>
> >> any ground rules I should be aware of... apart from no binaries (coz I
> >> know that allready).
> >>
> >> Oliver
> >
> >Hi, Oliver - nice to have you here. No ground rules that I can think of;
> >we're trying to minimize the off-topic gossip and sex-oriented posts; Kay,
> >Alison and I are the real offenders here and we're promising to do
> >better.
> >
> >A bio-pic would be fine with me.
> >
> its not fine with me though :-) I mean how does knowing about my history
> help in the viewing of my images...
>
> ok allright, a west london kid, did "intellectual history" at Sussex
> University, then an art foundation, then the proper job thing, and now
> at the age of 27 the prospect of another 20-30 years of the 9-5 fills me
> with depression.... so I've decided to try and get enough money to live
> by flogging my images...
>
> I'm influenced by the post-impressionist art movements (the fauves,
> orphism, early cubism etc), islamic art, modern computer game graphics
> (Quake2, Unreal et al), modern artists like Futura 2000, and the
> geometry of aesthetics (man :) )
>
> I think art should be about aesthetics, for me a painting that needs
> text to be understood fails.
>
> ern can I go now... :-)
>
Erik A. Mattila
synthesis between analytical cubism and Duke Nukem -- any place I can look?
I'm on a terminology rant right now (re: my post on 'self-expression') and now
you introduce a few more terms that seem to me to be often bantered about but
seldom defined to any degree of clarity.
Aesthetics?
text?
Paintings seem to automatically fall into 'aesthetics' regardless of their
species or sub-species. In fact, the term 'aesthetics' itself is more an
adjective of visual, literary and sonic practices that are carried out in a
social context we call 'art.' The term reaches for the form instead of the
form reaching for the term -- with one conditional exception. That is, an
aesthetic standard become inscribed in culture that becomes an objective for
artists - either by seeking to produce forms within that standard or producing
forms which challenge that standard (in either case, artistic production is
governed by that standard, even in the negative.)
This would be true of paintings which rely on text, also. Going back into the
history of British painting, for example, are "History Paintings" dependent on
a text? I believe they are. Any picture whose aesthetics addresses
Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo, for example, is somehow dependant on that
specific historical narrative. Yet an artist who painted within the scope of
this genre will also utilize other aesthetic standards, some of which are
purely formal and may be applied to non-objective painting as well.
I would agree to this, however: Any painting that needs text to be understood
fails to be a painting that doesn't need text. I could add, hypothetically,
that I personally don't like paintings that rely on text - but such a statment
is merely an expression of my personal taste and certainly not a meaningful
critical statement. Going back to my example from British Art, how does a
'History Painting" fail? It was never intended to be other that what it is.
It's sort of like saying Greek Mythology fails to be Gothic Romance. (Maybe
in some cases it doesn't).
There's another possibility, and that is that by 'text' you mean 'text' in the
sense of modern literary criticism, which is something else altogether. I
think Tinman was broaching this subject. He may have a better understanding
of the Barthean "Text" than I do (I've always found this to be a very
enigmatic concept) but my understanding of the concept would lead me to
believe that all painting - all works of art, for that matter -- are totally
reliant on the "Text," which is the only cultural form that mediates between
the painting and the viewer.
Well, don't mind me. I'm just following my self-appointment as provocatuer.
I'm after all 'givens' and I want to flush them out.
Welcome to the group,
Erik Mattila
Lauri.L.
- Nothing, he was just thinking aloud.
- lauri
* * *
In article <378402BE...@home.com>,
KEITH OCONNOR <tin...@home.com> wrote:
> ______tinman start_________
> Mommy what is that? It is a painting? Why do
> people buy paintings?
> To enjoy them. How do they enjoy paintings? Your
> Dad and I liked the colours in the painting over
> the couch so much that we used them to decide on
> the wall colours, and drapes, and rug, and
> upholstery, and....
>
> I just love those drapes I just saw, but they
> don't go with the painting we have. We will just
> have to get a new painting that matches those new
> drapes I am thinking of buying.
>
> Maybe I can sell the old painting to Bill ,
> whenever he sees the painting he always talks
> about it's wonderful aesthetic qualities, whatever
> they are. Yes I'll sell it to Bill and get a new
> painting to match the new drapes. Now that's real
> aesthetics.
>
> have fun:____________________
>
> Oliver Gili wrote:
> >
(snip)
> > I think art should be about aesthetics, for me a painting that needs
> > text to be understood fails.
> >
> > ern can I go now... :-)
> >
> > Oliver
> > --
> > Oliver Gili
> >
> > All errors in the written form of English are copyright my
Dysgraphia 1999
My errors are due to foreign language ans sloppy thinking
- lauri
--
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imply that my employer agrees with or is aware of
my opinions expressed here
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Dan Fox
> Kay wrote:
>
> That, among others, she loved Franz Marc. Isn't his work
> too marvelous? and so original.
>
> The opposite of love is indifference, not hate.
> That's the thing about Mani, he HATES Picasso, which means
> Picasso has a hook in him.
>
> Marilyn
Yes. The viciousness of his attacks on me (even in posts to others about
other topics) tells me that I really got to him. He obviously looked very
carefully at the work on my website.
I think Lauri's analysis is right on.
Oliver Gili
>I think art should be about aesthetics, for me a
>painting that needs
>> text to be understood fails.
>Mommy what is that? It is a painting? Why do
>people buy paintings?
>To enjoy them. How do they enjoy paintings? Your
>Dad and I liked the colours in the painting over
>the couch so much that we used them to decide on
>the wall colours, and drapes, and rug, and
>upholstery, and....
>
>I just love those drapes I just saw, but they
>don't go with the painting we have. We will just
>have to get a new painting that matches those new
>drapes I am thinking of buying.
>
>Maybe I can sell the old painting to Bill ,
>whenever he sees the painting he always talks
>about it's wonderful aesthetic qualities, whatever
>they are. Yes I'll sell it to Bill and get a new
>painting to match the new drapes. Now that's real
>aesthetics.
>
>have fun:____________________
>
No, I think aesthetics is not about "pretty" or "nice" (the chocolate
box covers etc often rely upon psycology i.e. steriotyped images of
childhood, idealised images of nature). It is about creating paintings
that try and move people without needing to be analysed, something that
taps into something external of language. The golden mean/section is a
good example of humankind's attempt to quantify this.
why does a painting need to mean something... as we all know, all
meanings become distorted, misstranslated, missunderstood sooner or
later... why can't paintings be about form, shape, colour.
I paint because I need to paint, I need to sell so I can spend more time
painting. The need to sell does not mean that I try and produce art for
a market, it means I have to hustle, coz sooner or later someone will
understand where I am coming from...
Oliver
nothing like an ill-thought out polemic to get the ball rolling :-)
--
Oliver Gili
Oliver Gili
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>
>Oliver Gili wrote:
>(snip)
>:ok allright, a west london kid, did "intellectual history" at Sussex
>:University, then an art foundation, then the proper job thing, and now
>:at the age of 27 the prospect of another 20-30 years of the 9-5 fills me
>:with depression.... so I've decided to try and get enough money to live
>:by flogging my images...
>
paint, I didn't paint for 3 years :-(
>
>:I'm influenced by the post-impressionist art movements (the fauves,
>:orphism, early cubism etc), islamic art, modern computer game graphics
>:(Quake2, Unreal et al), modern artists like Futura 2000, and the
>:geometry of aesthetics (man :) )
>
>
>be safe here ;-) It's funny, but each and every year I fall in love with
>different artists and art movements. This year has been Anselm Keiffer,
>Susan Rothenberg, Franz Marc and Marcel Duchamp. I'm gaining an appreciation
>(slowly) for Ann Hamilton which surprises me and Joseph Bueys as well (I
>used to absolutely HATE his work, now I'm becoming a fan!)
--
Oliver Gili
Quo Vadis
<oljen.mail....@millsgili.demon.co.uk> writes
>I paint because I need to paint, I need to sell so I can spend more time
>painting. The need to sell does not mean that I try and produce art for
>a market, it means I have to hustle, coz sooner or later someone will
>understand where I am coming from...
>
>Oliver
>
>nothing like an ill-thought out polemic to get the ball rolling :-)
Good attitude, our kid ! I hear you've been invited for an interview at
the gallery ....... got get 'em ! or come join us I should say !!
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
Skylark Gallery Summer Open 11-18th July, 11-6pm
Quo Vadis
ARdee just found my letter to him in his deja.com mailbox and is going
to try and see if he can get alt.brallen - he says he wants a forum
where he can just be himself ! Hope he gets here.
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
rdav...@my-deja.com
Thanks for the invite, Alison. Its a beautiful morning here on the
prairies. My two daughters (Amy 15 & Gina 12) and my wife Janet are all
sleeping, the cats ( Mike & Missy), the dog (Maggie) are sleeping too.
My horse ( Northern Palm) well who knows.
We may get out to our cottage at the beach today, its supposed to get
hot. This sounds like I am a wealthy landowner, and I guess compared to
the majority of the world population I am. Much to be thankful for.
Especially for new friends.
a lazy bugger
ARdee
Quo Vadis
>Thanks for the invite, Alison. Its a beautiful morning here on the
>prairies. My two daughters (Amy 15 & Gina 12) and my wife Janet are all
>sleeping, the cats ( Mike & Missy), the dog (Maggie) are sleeping too.
>My horse ( Northern Palm) well who knows.
>We may get out to our cottage at the beach today, its supposed to get
>hot. This sounds like I am a wealthy landowner, and I guess compared to
>the majority of the world population I am. Much to be thankful for.
>Especially for new friends.
>
>a lazy bugger
>ARdee
That sounds brilliant, ARdee. I always love going to my Mum's house in
the country - just laze around and sit in the garden with the dogs and a
gin and tonic ! but if I want to stay in the city and have a studio in a
community of artists then it is a room in a house with eight others and
a fight for the bathroom .... no matter, I'm about to be evicted, which
is good, because as a homeless single person I am then entitled to an
apartment in the city that would cost a fortune otherwise. London's a
great city to live in, but I think it will wear me out eventually and I
will retire gracefully to the country ...... now there's *getting old*
talk !
Welcome !
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
Kay
Marilyn wrote in message <37853B...@bc.can>...
:Kay wrote:
:
:That, among others, she loved Franz Marc. Isn't his work
:too marvelous? and so original.
I have his "Animal Destinies" on my background right now (I change pictures
every week. It is amazing to look at it and really study the shapes,
colours, forms, paint application. It is profound to integrate the visual
experience with a bit of knowledge of Marc's beliefs and background and with
the history of the artist's intent.
:
:The opposite of love is indifference, not hate.
:That's the thing about Mani, he HATES Picasso, which means
:Picasso has a hook in him.
Mani gets his power from the people. Everyone seems to actually CARE what
he says about them. I usually find him funny (when he isn't attacking me,
which - not having seen my work - he usually doesn't attack me) At times,
with Mark Webber and Dan Fox, I have seen him be cruel. Hutto will either
end up like Mani or he will accept growth and become his own person. Yes,
when a person HATES someone or something, then there is emotion in play.
Indifference is the greatest insult. I'll remember that because it is so
true.
Kay
:Marilyn
Dan Fox
Hi, ARdee -
Welcome to the group! Tell us about your art, etc. Looking forward to your
posts.
Dan
Kay
KEITH OCONNOR wrote in message <3787E169...@home.com>...
:Interesting:
:I find his forms very powerful, yes his nudes are
:naked and I mean naked, exposed: no soul you say,
:I find lots of soul in that decisiveness he knows
:what he wants and does not dance around with
:uncertainty. I wonder if it's only the men who
:like him.
:_______end________
I don't think that is the answer here because I know of women who like his
works very much. I don't like him because, quite simply, I find his paint
surface rather muddy... Nothing intriques me about his work. It isn't about
the objectification of women's bodies at all, for me, but rather the
monotony of his subject matter and the ineptitude of his color range and
paint application.
Just my opinion and the reasons for it...
Kay
:
:
:Quo Vadis wrote:
:>
:> In article <qkKg3.9952$AU3.2...@news2.giganews.com>, Kay
Kay
Erik A. Mattila wrote in message <37880CC5...@tomatoweb.com>...
:I'm ambivalent about Freud, but he's getting a million a pop now, so
:somebody must be keen on his work.
:
:For figurative work, I prefer Hokusai.
:
:Erik
Gee, I'm going to have to catch up on my reading. I don't know who Hokusai
is and I don't know who Jenny Saville is! I know Hokusai is figurative and I
assume Saville is...
Erik, remember that painting (talking about figurative art & humor) about
the invasion of Granada with the blonde reading "How to Become a Doctor" by
Alfred Quiroz? I just found out today that in March/2000 we will be in an
Alumni/ae show together for the co-op we both were members of in the past.
Big group show in 3 Tucson locations. Take note, Alison, it is a great
feeling to exhibit *with* your former teachers. I think this is about my
3rd time in a group show with one. Kind of makes me feel grown-up.
Kay
"Do you know what he needs? Two or three shock treatments,"
Mary George said. "Get that artist business right out of his head once
and for all." (from "An Enduring Chill" by Flannery O'Connor)
KEITH OCONNOR
I find his forms very powerful, yes his nudes are
naked and I mean naked, exposed: no soul you say,
I find lots of soul in that decisiveness he knows
what he wants and does not dance around with
uncertainty. I wonder if it's only the men who
like him.
_______end________
Quo Vadis wrote:
Erik A. Mattila
somebody must be keen on his work.
For figurative work, I prefer Hokusai.
Erik
Erik A. Mattila
to be 84 and lived in over a hundred and thirty houses in his life. When the
house got to unbearably dirty, he would move.
But I know you've seen his work. Some are icons of Japanese art. I'll find a
URL right now - don't go away.
http://www.asahi-jc.com/woodhk.htm
Ah, his work is breathtaking to me. I stumbled across a great web site - hee
hee hee - a company that sells 'fine art prints'. There's also some links to
some others down the page. Hirosige and Utamaro (painter of nude women - a
real perverted rascal. There's a movie about him, as a matter of fact, where
he keeps sneaking into various Lord's concubines (harems?) to get his models,
and putting his life at risk for art.
Great news about showing with Quiroz. If I'm still wandering in the desert
I'll try to pop over to see it. Right now Cresencia and I can't even get away
to see a movie, since her mom requires 24 hour care, and we only have a
provider hired for an eight=hour shift.
Erik
Kay wrote:
> Erik A. Mattila wrote in message <37880CC5...@tomatoweb.com>...
> :I'm ambivalent about Freud, but he's getting a million a pop now, so
> :somebody must be keen on his work.
> :
> :For figurative work, I prefer Hokusai.
> :
> :Erik
>
Quo Vadis
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>
>Gee, I'm going to have to catch up on my reading. I don't know who Hokusai
>is and I don't know who Jenny Saville is! I know Hokusai is figurative and I
>assume Saville is...
yes, she is one of the Brit pack, but her work is damn good.
>
>Erik, remember that painting (talking about figurative art & humor) about
>the invasion of Granada with the blonde reading "How to Become a Doctor" by
>Alfred Quiroz? I just found out today that in March/2000 we will be in an
>Alumni/ae show together for the co-op we both were members of in the past.
>Big group show in 3 Tucson locations. Take note, Alison, it is a great
>feeling to exhibit *with* your former teachers. I think this is about my
>3rd time in a group show with one. Kind of makes me feel grown-up.
>Kay
Well done, Kay. Its hardly likely that will ever happen for me - my
teachers were dinosaurs who hadn't painted in two centuries. The only
one that I really have respect for I now see on a regular basis. He
visits me in the studio and I curated an exhibition at the school I was
at last year. When I got the job and told him which school I was going
to, he said his father had been a pupil there. Didn't think much of it
except what a coincidence. It turns out his father was Mervyn Peake, a
cult English writer and that the entire school was dedicated to him and
another famous ex-pupil, Eric Liddell, the Olympic runner (won't run on
Sunday's fame). He had an exhibition of his work (which is wacky to say
the least) and left the teachers and pupils at the school scratching
their head ! Fabian is one of the only *artists* that taught at
Manchester - the rest were artists of lifting a pint to their mouths and
the chances of us showing together range between zero and nil...
somewhere.
Cheers !
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
Kay
Quo Vadis wrote in message ...
:In article <j5Wh3.18519$AU3.4...@news2.giganews.com>, Kay
:<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
:
:>
:>Gee, I'm going to have to catch up on my reading. I don't know who Hokusai
:>is and I don't know who Jenny Saville is! I know Hokusai is figurative and
I
:>assume Saville is...
:
:yes, she is one of the Brit pack, but her work is damn good.
I don't really hate the Brit pack (not even Damien) just don't like the
glitz that gets more attention than the work.
:>Take note, Alison, it is a great
:>feeling to exhibit *with* your former teachers. I think this is about my
:>3rd time in a group show with one. Kind of makes me feel grown-up.
:>Kay
:
:Well done, Kay. Its hardly likely that will ever happen for me - my
:teachers were dinosaurs who hadn't painted in two centuries.
How sad. No mentors then?
The only
:one that I really have respect for I now see on a regular basis. He
:visits me in the studio and I curated an exhibition at the school I was
:at last year. When I got the job and told him which school I was going
:to, he said his father had been a pupil there. Didn't think much of it
:except what a coincidence. It turns out his father was Mervyn Peake, a
:cult English writer and that the entire school was dedicated to him and
:another famous ex-pupil, Eric Liddell, the Olympic runner (won't run on
:Sunday's fame). He had an exhibition of his work (which is wacky to say
:the least) and left the teachers and pupils at the school scratching
:their head ! Fabian is one of the only *artists* that taught at
:Manchester - the rest were artists of lifting a pint to their mouths and
:the chances of us showing together range between zero and nil...
:somewhere.
Maybe you'll have better luck with finding a *mentor* or someone to admire
in grad school :-)
Kay
:Cheers !
:
:Alison
: ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
: http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
:
Kay
Erik A. Mattila wrote in message <37885764...@tomatoweb.com>...
:I think we talked about Hokusai in the past on RAF. He was the guy who
lived
:to be 84 and lived in over a hundred and thirty houses in his life. When
the
:house got to unbearably dirty, he would move.
Ahh, I remember so well now! I remember admiring him for acquiring the dirt
and simply moving when it took over. I like the logic of that ;-)
:But I know you've seen his work. Some are icons of Japanese art. I'll
find a
:URL right now - don't go away.
:
:http://www.asahi-jc.com/woodhk.htm
I didn't go away, but I'm reading the mail off-line, so I'll have to check
it out when I send this.
:Ah, his work is breathtaking to me. I stumbled across a great web site -
hee
:hee hee - a company that sells 'fine art prints'. There's also some links
to
:some others down the page. Hirosige and Utamaro (painter of nude women - a
:real perverted rascal. There's a movie about him, as a matter of fact,
where
:he keeps sneaking into various Lord's concubines (harems?) to get his
models,
:and putting his life at risk for art.
Factual? For art? (or just horney?)
:Great news about showing with Quiroz. If I'm still wandering in the desert
:I'll try to pop over to see it. Right now Cresencia and I can't even get
away
:to see a movie, since her mom requires 24 hour care, and we only have a
:provider hired for an eight=hour shift.
:
:Erik
Are you familiar with the Tucson arts, Erik. It's a co-op called "Dinnerware
Contemporary Artist's Gallery" and we have all hated the word "Dinnerware"
but it is something to do with Tucson Historical Soc. and name can't be
changed. Sad about an ailing parent. My sister had care of my ailing
stepfather for 10 years. So hard....
Cresencia, what a beautiful name.
Kay
Kay
Kay wrote in message <9Pbi3.20026$AU3.5...@news2.giganews.com>...
:
:Erik A. Mattila wrote in message <37885764...@tomatoweb.com>...
::I think we talked about Hokusai in the past on RAF. He was the guy who
:lived
::to be 84 and lived in over a hundred and thirty houses in his life. When
:the
::house got to unbearably dirty, he would move.
:
:Ahh, I remember so well now! I remember admiring him for acquiring the
dirt
:and simply moving when it took over. I like the logic of that ;-)
:
::But I know you've seen his work. Some are icons of Japanese art. I'll
:find a
::URL right now - don't go away.
::
::http://www.asahi-jc.com/woodhk.htm
OK. I got on line and looked. Didn't see any neeked women though. I
really am not familiar with his work but I keep thinking about the influence
the Post-Impressionists had from exposure to Japanese prints. I think I'll
go think now.
Kay
Quo Vadis
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>
>I don't really hate the Brit pack (not even Damien) just don't like the
>glitz that gets more attention than the work.
Agreed. I work as technician to one of them so kind of have the inside
information, snippets of which I occasionally drop into conversation
;-). A month or so ago she had a small show in a country pub about fifty
miles out of London - a request from a dying friend. It was kind of
embarrassing to be taking someone who exhibits with Saachi to this
would-be-gallery pub and its yuppy landlord.
She has spine abifida (spelling ?) and most of her paintings are twice
the size of her so I have to do all the hefty work (her studio is seven
flights up with no lift !) We were putting the show up in the restaurant
in the pub and I was teasing her because she hadn't set the mirror
plates right and I had to redo them and I joked about the lack of
technical skills of the Brit Pack. Unfortunately I didn't realise the
landlord didn't know she had studied at Goldsmith's with Hirst and he
zoomed straight in on the conversation. From there on in he introduced
her to everyone as having studied with Hirst ..... she was fuming.
However, she sold thousands of pounds worth of paintings there (which
was great cos I didn't have so many to take back to her studio !).
I wonder if she would have sold if he hadn't used that line ?
>How sad. No mentors then?
Yes, sad. No mentors for me but I had an amazing peer group. there were
forty painters in my graduating year and another seventy printers and
sculptors - what a great bunch they were. As for the tutors, I really
was left to my own devises, although one of the research fellows used to
spend a lot of time visiting and talking with me.
Grad school *will* be good - how I wish I had applied for this
September! ah well, next year.
Kay
Quo Vadis wrote in message <3fWTyMAa...@raimes.demon.co.uk>...
:In article <aPbi3.20027$AU3.5...@news2.giganews.com>, Kay
:<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
:>
:>I don't really hate the Brit pack (not even Damien) just don't like the
:>glitz that gets more attention than the work.
:
:Agreed. I work as technician to one of them so kind of have the inside
:information, snippets of which I occasionally drop into conversation
:;-). A month or so ago she had a small show in a country pub about fifty
:miles out of London - a request from a dying friend. It was kind of
:embarrassing to be taking someone who exhibits with Saachi to this
:would-be-gallery pub and its yuppy landlord.
:
:She has spine abifida (spelling ?) and most of her paintings are twice
:the size of her so I have to do all the hefty work (her studio is seven
:flights up with no lift !) We were putting the show up in the restaurant
:in the pub and I was teasing her because she hadn't set the mirror
:plates right and I had to redo them and I joked about the lack of
:technical skills of the Brit Pack. Unfortunately I didn't realise the
:landlord didn't know she had studied at Goldsmith's with Hirst and he
:zoomed straight in on the conversation. From there on in he introduced
:her to everyone as having studied with Hirst ..... she was fuming.
:However, she sold thousands of pounds worth of paintings there (which
:was great cos I didn't have so many to take back to her studio !).
:
:I wonder if she would have sold if he hadn't used that line ?
This is a good lesson. Use the lines, names, etc. whenever your good
judgement tells you the right opportunity has arrived. So, because of your
art delivery business you are meeting some influencial artists, dealers,
etc. This is a good opportunity, I don't mean like Mattison, but you will
become a familiar face to some and eventually, some will inquire about your
art or take a personal interest in you :-)
:Yes, sad. No mentors for me but I had an amazing peer group. there were
:forty painters in my graduating year and another seventy printers and
:sculptors - what a great bunch they were. As for the tutors, I really
:was left to my own devises, although one of the research fellows used to
:spend a lot of time visiting and talking with me.
Peer groups just as important!
:
:Grad school *will* be good - how I wish I had applied for this
:September! ah well, next year.
Here, in the states, most schools recommend a break before entering grad
school. The art always changes and that is what everyone hopes for - growth.
I think you did the smart thing.
Kay
:
:Alison
: ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
: http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
:
Erik A. Mattila
mentor. (You can have a peer/mentor, right?) First off, he'll try to
drink you under the table, and I have a feeling that you are up to the
challenge. Anyway, a lot of your posts keep reminding me of him. Example,
you speak of "mature students" in art school. I was standing by the
elevator door at UC Davis (circa 1989) and this Brit approaches me and asks
"I don't mean to be nosey, but how does a 'mature student' like you find
art school?" That was Adrian.
A few months later I was having coffee with a woman who I had met via
introduction by someone totally unconnected with the art school, and we
were talking about art etc. I said something about a British artist I had
met, a real strange fellow blah blah blah. She smiled and said 'oh, yes,
Adrian and I got married yesterday -- I know him." I thought it was
outrageous - the coincidence. But he's reallly a great artist, in my
opinion. As a mentor he would be absolutely ruineous (sp?). BTW, it's
"spinal bifida" (I think???) If you do run into him, he probably woundn't
remember my name (he was rarely sober), but he would remember the 'mature
student who walked with a cane'. You know how artists are.
Finally, a good story about UC Davis and Britain. One of my AH profs was
married to a Brit, who commuted frequently between Berkeley and London. He
sends his wife a story about UC Davis that appeared in the sunday
supplement of the London Times (have it got tht right?) It turns out that
a very well known retired British diplomat was teaching drama at UC Davis.
UC Davis is, by fact and reputation, the UC system's most rigourous campus
in terms of competitive grading -- students there regularly screw one
another in ways that will give the screwer a slight grade advantage over
the screwee, (like stealing notebooks, hoarding reserved library books
etc.) So the London Times describes it this way:
"When a professor enters the classroom at UC Santa Cruz and says 'Good
morning" the students ignore it."
"When a professor enters the classroom at UC Berkeley and says 'Good
morning' the students say 'fuck you!"
"When a professor enters the classroom at UC Davis and says 'Good morning'
the students write it down."
Erik (har har har)
PS. Now that my mind is turned to these rememberanaces, another
interesting topic would be "Students through the Ages." I started classes
at UC Davis in 1986 at age 43, and I experenced culture shock. The typical
college students seemed to be from another planet, as far as I was
concerned. There was another fellow there in the Art Department about my
age - very high-strung, nervous energy type who peddled a two thousand
dollar bicycle all over the place to work out his angst. So one day Joan
Baez was going to perform on campus, and I asked him, as he was unlocking
his bicycle, if he was going to the concert. He looked at me with terror
in his eyes..."You know, Mario Savio, Joan Baez and I were the first three
people to enter Bolt Hall (UC Berkeley) in the 1968 revolution! I ride
bike with these kids around here every day, and you know what? (He points
at his head) They have no opinions! NO OPINIONS!!!" Personally, I hold TV
culpable. I didn't get to watch TV until about age 7 or 8, and prior to
that we had to invent play. And the first TVs were very social, given a 9
inch monitor looked at by ten or fifteen people crowded before it,
wondering at the marvel. The 'entertainment' was in the act of watching
TV, regardless of the content.
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Quo Vadis wrote:
> In article <aPbi3.20027$AU3.5...@news2.giganews.com>, Kay
> <scarl...@theriver.com> writes
> >
> >I don't really hate the Brit pack (not even Damien) just don't like the
> >glitz that gets more attention than the work.
>
> Agreed. I work as technician to one of them so kind of have the inside
> information, snippets of which I occasionally drop into conversation
> ;-). A month or so ago she had a small show in a country pub about fifty
> miles out of London - a request from a dying friend. It was kind of
> embarrassing to be taking someone who exhibits with Saachi to this
> would-be-gallery pub and its yuppy landlord.
>
> She has spine abifida (spelling ?) and most of her paintings are twice
> the size of her so I have to do all the hefty work (her studio is seven
> flights up with no lift !) We were putting the show up in the restaurant
> in the pub and I was teasing her because she hadn't set the mirror
> plates right and I had to redo them and I joked about the lack of
> technical skills of the Brit Pack. Unfortunately I didn't realise the
> landlord didn't know she had studied at Goldsmith's with Hirst and he
> zoomed straight in on the conversation. From there on in he introduced
> her to everyone as having studied with Hirst ..... she was fuming.
> However, she sold thousands of pounds worth of paintings there (which
> was great cos I didn't have so many to take back to her studio !).
>
> I wonder if she would have sold if he hadn't used that line ?
>
> >How sad. No mentors then?
>
> Yes, sad. No mentors for me but I had an amazing peer group. there were
> forty painters in my graduating year and another seventy printers and
> sculptors - what a great bunch they were. As for the tutors, I really
> was left to my own devises, although one of the research fellows used to
> spend a lot of time visiting and talking with me.
>
> Grad school *will* be good - how I wish I had applied for this
> September! ah well, next year.
>
Quo Vadis
<emat...@tomatoweb.com> writes
>Alison, I think you should locate Adrian Frost, and you will have a
>mentor. (You can have a peer/mentor, right?) First off, he'll try to
>drink you under the table, and I have a feeling that you are up to the
>challenge. Anyway, a lot of your posts keep reminding me of him. Example,
>you speak of "mature students" in art school. I was standing by the
>elevator door at UC Davis (circa 1989) and this Brit approaches me and asks
>"I don't mean to be nosey, but how does a 'mature student' like you find
>art school?" That was Adrian.
Erik: I think a mentor is an American idea ! I never heard of such a
thing here. I can't imagine anyone in Britain taking on someone to be
mentor to - at art school they have at least seventy students per
professor to deal with.
I am watching out for Adrian and have a feeling he is going to be a
friend of a friend sort of thing, so am not going to be surprised if I
find myself downing yards of ale in his company ... bit out of practise
these days but I'll give him a run for his money. The last time I drank
a professor under the table I came home, decided that the antique
jewellery heirlooms that were lying around my apartment should be put
away somewhere safer and hid them .... of course the next day I forgot
all about it. A few weeks later when I went to get them (to wear to my
father's funeral), I realised what I had done ....... searched and
searched, tearing the apartment to pieces ... no where to be found.
Maybe they are still in that apartment or maybe I hid them in the
freezer and when it broke down they got thrown out with the rotting
food. Anyways, I don't drink that much anymore so a session with Adrian
will be a sure disaster .... oh god I might wake up next to him too
(that happened when I was student with my American Literature professor
and then later an Architecture professor who I tried to drink under the
table) !!!! The Architecture chap hung around for months ... that was
nice ! I know, I'm a slut ... or at least I should say I used to be !
>
>A few months later I was having coffee with a woman who I had met via
>introduction by someone totally unconnected with the art school, and we
>were talking about art etc. I said something about a British artist I had
>met, a real strange fellow blah blah blah. She smiled and said 'oh, yes,
>Adrian and I got married yesterday -- I know him." I thought it was
>outrageous - the coincidence. But he's reallly a great artist, in my
>opinion. As a mentor he would be absolutely ruineous (sp?). BTW, it's
>"spinal bifida" (I think???) If you do run into him, he probably woundn't
>remember my name (he was rarely sober), but he would remember the 'mature
>student who walked with a cane'. You know how artists are.
What sort of work does he do ??? Wow, and what a coincidence ... you
know I am always astounded when things like that happen. It used to
happen to me in the restaurant a lot ... the fun was in finding the
connection when we knew we knew each other but didn't know where from.
>
>Finally, a good story about UC Davis and Britain. One of my AH profs was
>married to a Brit, who commuted frequently between Berkeley and London. He
Her name isn't Margaret Harrison is it ? She is as close to a mentor as
I ever got and she commutes between those two places too. That would be
too much of a coincidence !
Great story about your student days ... I wish I could tell stories like
you do. Thanks !
Alison
Quo Vadis
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>This is a good lesson. Use the lines, names, etc. whenever your good
>judgement tells you the right opportunity has arrived. So, because of your
>art delivery business you are meeting some influencial artists, dealers,
>etc. This is a good opportunity, I don't mean like Mattison, but you will
>become a familiar face to some and eventually, some will inquire about your
>art or take a personal interest in you :-)
Actually it is a great way to earn money and to network at the same time
- the trick is to keep your nerve when things go quiet. Back to full
blast this week, running here there and everywhere and having fun too.
Got to ride out in to the country yesterday with a ceramist ... a damn
good one too ... an art fair. Dropped him off and get to pick him up on
Sunday and a free trip to the fair ! That's the way to do it. People
definitely are getting to know me and my name and most of the jobs are
recommendations - maybe there is hope !
>Peer groups just as important!
Peer groups are more important for me. Actually, I don't think I am
suited for a mentor - way too stubborn and individualist. But I am so
lucky to have multitudes of people around me to talk about art and to
look at my work.
>Here, in the states, most schools recommend a break before entering grad
>school. The art always changes and that is what everyone hopes for - growth.
>I think you did the smart thing.
Yes ! I did. Applications are due for the Royal College and Slade in
January - which isn't that far ahead so have to get working. I'm
counting on Adrian Frost being on the selection board of one of them so
I can use Erik as a starting point ! Wouldn't that be something else !!
Today I am having the day off. Going to meet two dear friends of the
chap who gave me all the Lenkwhatshisname stories from Plymouth- the one
who died last year. Two of his lovers !!! What fun that will be. And
then some galleries.
Cheers !
Alison
Kay
Quo Vadis wrote in message ...
(snipping Erik's great story, on sale for $29.95 in September, 1999)
:Erik: I think a mentor is an American idea ! I never heard of such a
:thing here. I can't imagine anyone in Britain taking on someone to be
:mentor to - at art school they have at least seventy students per
:professor to deal with.
I hope you try it, though. I think it is a good idea (and I'm just as
stubborn as you - grrr) A mentor will not be available to everyone but will
only make his/herself available to someone they truly believe in, help open
some doors, give advice, etc. I've been given advice by a mentor only to go
back in a couple of years and tell them "remember when you told me I should
blah, blah, blah and I decided instead to blah, blah, blah, well, I should
have listened to you!" The other end of the coin is for you to be a mentor
to someone below you in their career and I think you can do this at any
point in your career, kind of the "give back" attitude we are seeing (or
hope to see) nowadays.
(snip)
:Great story about your student days ... I wish I could tell stories like
:you do. Thanks !
:Alison
He's got a million of them (and all interesting, yet bizarre) Keep them
coming Erik!
Kay
Erik A. Mattila
across a terrific book once -- a collection of letter between TS Eliot and Ezra
Pound. For all intents and purposes, Pound was Eliot's mentor. Those guys
were Brits, weren't they. They had those funny names. "TS" ha ha ha ha.
Erik
Erik A. Mattila
Kay wrote:
> He's got a million of them (and all interesting, yet bizarre) Keep them
> coming Erik!
> Kay
You don't know what you're asking, Kay. For example, I'm on a detective kick
here, about the MD posts. My sherlocks are dangling on my shoulders.
I knew a Yurok "Indian Doctor" once, named Calvin Rube. A real injun 'medicine
man.' He was Ceremonial Headman (meaning he had the largest collection of
regalia among the property oriented Yuroks (more properly, "Pulakai" -- Down
river people). He lived on top of a mountain which hung over Weitspus
(Witchepec) on the Klamath River in NorCal.
For years Calvin resisted contacts with white people. He pretty much stayed in
his community doctoring Indians and overseeing the ceremonies. But he was so
concerned about a logging road that was being constructed that transected what
they called "The Sacred High Country" where the local Indians went for prayer.
He couldn't get along with the environmentalists because they wanted to
'classify' this area as 'protected wilderness.' Calvin's position was that
humans did not have the credentials to 'classify' land. He just wanted people
who had no spiritual business there to stay out, and the environmentalists
couldn't comprehend this.
So Calvin eventually decided that he needed help from the non-indian community,
and he came off his mountain to Humboldt State College to speak to students to
recruit them to help out in working against this road, called the "GO Road"
(Gaskquit - Orleans, in the Trinity Alps.) He said his speil to some students,
and several were all charged up about having a real Indian experience. One
lady got up in the classrooom and gave a wonderful speech about everybody being
brothers and sisters, and everybody loving one another. I just want to give
you some clues on Calvin's character. He got very upset by this speech. He
hummed and hawed around a bit, then finally stated, explicitly: Look, I don't
love you, and I don't think you live me. We don't have to be in love to do
this work. I don't see what sex has to do with anything here." He was that
way -- a very precise man who always chose his words carefully and said what he
meant. Also, he didn't have any ideas about the metaphors and pastiches of
college students in 1978.
Well, the long and short of it was that one college student who ended up
spending a lot of time on Calvin's mountain top was a guy named Mark Fasi (his
uncle was mayor of Honolulu, I always thought that was pretty cool). I liked
Mark a lot. He was a pretty genuine person. I lived about 100 miles south of
Calvin Rube's place, in southern Humboldt County (yes, the Emerald Triangle,
for you dope fiends out there) and I get a telephone call from Mark Fasi. He
was very excited, because Calvin had offered to 'train' him. Calvin had called
Mark the "fontawanna' which is a sort of mythollogical savior figure among the
Yuroks, Karuks, and Hupas. So Mark was certain that he was going to learn
Indian magic. But Calvin told him that he would need to find somebody to help
him - a 'mentor' so to speak. Mark couldn't think of anybody, and Calvin said
"How about Mattila?" (He liked me to come up there because I was always fixing
thing for him around the ranch). So there it was, Mark was asking me to help
him 'train.'
I gotta admit I was pretty curious myself - enough that I agreed, even though
Mark told me that I had to stay with it until the training was complete. I
figured I could always bow out if it turned out it was going to be seven years
or something like that. So a couple of days latter I drove up to Rube's,
really full of curiosity. I knew Rube was a great manipulator of people, and I
also knew that he would never agree to 'train' anyone, because Rube didn't have
that kind of power (The Yuroks believe in several kinds of 'powers' and one of
them was the power to train others).
I get up there, we talk, have dinner etc. and finally Rube gets around to this
training business. Mark was beside himself with anticipation. Calvin began
talking about power, and talking about how you can get the power to know
anything you want about others. Rube goes over to a pile of boxes, begins
digging through them, and comes back with this manual. He hands it to Mark,
and it's a little book called "How to become a Private Detective." It turns
out to be a correspondence course that Calvin had signed up for several years
earlier, that Calvin couldn't quite understand. But he understood enough of it
to know that if you understood it, you could get the goods on anybody (the
Yuroks are very leagalistic minded people - their traditional salmon fishing
laws, for example, are as complex and binding as anything the Romans invented).
I thought it was so cool - the whole episode. I was really impressed. Mark
was flabberghasted. I took him aside and advised him not to be disappointed -
and told him that 'power' was a strange bird, and it always took strange forms
and you never knew what was going to happen. So he fell into the right mode,
and for the next few days we studied the correspondence course together. There
was a lot of good information there, like what kinds of personal records were
public, and things like that. I had to test Mark for each chapter, and he
always got perfect test scores. The thing that impressed me most of all about
the course had to do with the chapter on 'stake-out.' The student had to
memorize the 'stake-out' equipment list, which included a pee bottle. Imagine
that? A pee bottle. I never would have thought of that.
Now I think this qualifies as a 'bizzare story' even by my high standards.
Erik
Kay
Erik A. Mattila wrote:
:
:You don't know what you're asking, Kay. For example, I'm on a detective
kick
:here, about the MD posts. My sherlocks are dangling on my shoulders.
I am genetically curious (nosey) and love mysteries as well as general
snooping.
:
:I knew a Yurok "Indian Doctor" once, named Calvin Rube. A real injun
I haven't heard of that tribe.. Does it tie in with "Alas, poor Yurok. I
knew him well?"
I lived about 100 miles south of
:Calvin Rube's place, in southern Humboldt County (yes, the Emerald
Triangle,
:for you dope fiends out there)
Now that must be another story in itself. I didn't know about it, but thanks
for the referral for my Uncles!
(snipping good story, but need the space)
:I thought it was so cool - the whole episode. I was really impressed.
Mark
:was flabberghasted. I took him aside and advised him not to be
disappointed -
:and told him that 'power' was a strange bird, and it always took strange
forms
:and you never knew what was going to happen. So he fell into the right
mode,
:and for the next few days we studied the correspondence course together.
There
:was a lot of good information there, like what kinds of personal records
:
This guy still wanted you to train him after the "How to become a detective
correspondence course" explaination???
:Now I think this qualifies as a 'bizzare story' even by my high standards.
:Erik
:
In your many, many 'bizarre story' posts, I'll rate this one an 8 on a scale
of 1-10. It's good, but you have been even more bizarre on occasion. Of
course, a 5 score on the scale of Erik's bizarre story posts would be a 10
on anyone else.
Kay
Erik A. Mattila
Erik
Kay wrote:
> Erik A. Mattila wrote:
> :
> :You don't know what you're asking, Kay. For example, I'm on a detective
> kick
> :here, about the MD posts. My sherlocks are dangling on my shoulders.
>
> I am genetically curious (nosey) and love mysteries as well as general
> snooping.
> :
> :I knew a Yurok "Indian Doctor" once, named Calvin Rube. A real injun
>
> I haven't heard of that tribe.. Does it tie in with "Alas, poor Yurok. I
> knew him well?"
>
> I lived about 100 miles south of
> :Calvin Rube's place, in southern Humboldt County (yes, the Emerald
> Triangle,
> :for you dope fiends out there)
>
> Now that must be another story in itself. I didn't know about it, but thanks
> for the referral for my Uncles!
>
> (snipping good story, but need the space)
> :I thought it was so cool - the whole episode. I was really impressed.
> Mark
> :was flabberghasted. I took him aside and advised him not to be
> disappointed -
> :and told him that 'power' was a strange bird, and it always took strange
> forms
> :and you never knew what was going to happen. So he fell into the right
> mode,
> :and for the next few days we studied the correspondence course together.
> There
> :was a lot of good information there, like what kinds of personal records
> :
> This guy still wanted you to train him after the "How to become a detective
> correspondence course" explaination???
> :Now I think this qualifies as a 'bizzare story' even by my high standards.
>
> :Erik
Quo Vadis
started writing me after my post to Zom - from Portugal apparently .....
if she/he is ok i will invite her/him - it would be good to have someone
in Portugal here wouldn't it ? What say chaps ?????
Erik A. Mattila
oscar goes to Norway).
Erik
Dan Fox
> Does anyone remember Sam, from about a year ago ? she/he suddenly
> started writing me after my post to Zom - from Portugal apparently .....
> if she/he is ok i will invite her/him - it would be good to have someone
> in Portugal here wouldn't it ? What say chaps ?????
If it's right with you, it's fine with me! I think I emailed
Sam at one point with no answer, but that could've been someone
else.
--
Dan
'The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.' - Blake
www.danfoxart.com
Quo Vadis
<dan...@erols.com> writes
>If it's right with you, it's fine with me! I think I emailed
>Sam at one point with no answer, but that could've been someone
>else.
>
Probably isn't the best time to join us of course. Sam just sent me an
image - a painting of clouds to clumsily reduce it to a word. Makes that
guy on RAF's work look like wallpaper. Really nice work.
She/he says: "I´m from West Australia originally. I was born in Wiluna,
about 2,000 kms. north east of perth. Just on the edge of the Great
Sandy Desert" gio...@mail.telepac.pt (Sam)
Now lives in Portugal.
Hope it is ok but I invited her/him to see if she/he could get us on the
server.
Al
Quo Vadis
<a...@somewhere.inthe.comos> writes
>Hope it is ok but I invited her/him to see if she/he could get us on the
>server.
>Al
Sam couldn't get us by the way. Too bad .... now where is that Oliver
chap ? He went to London and never came back.