Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
ChrisC
feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
anymore.
Of the next book I have decided to read is:
EON by Greg Bear
Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
David DeLaney
Oh my. If you HAVEN'T read the Bester yet, set aside a day or two for it NOW.
Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought the
sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the Bester.
Dave
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John Hall
Really? I've just finished the book too (having been rather put off by
what I had read about it), thought that he was a highly annoying
opinionated windbag and know-all, and that he patronised his highly
intelligent and competent female staff dreadfully. Admittedly he seemed
to become rather less annoying as the book went on, but maybe I just
became acclimatised to him.
> Although I could not help
>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>anymore.
I can imagine that it must have seemed revolutionary to many people when
it was first published. I supposed it was one of the first indications
of the coming changes in attitudes in the 1960s.
>
>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
>EON by Greg Bear
>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
I haven't read any of those three.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
Howard Brazee
DeLaney) wrote:
>>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
>Oh my. If you HAVEN'T read the Bester yet, set aside a day or two for it NOW.
>
>Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought the
>sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
>blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the Bester.
I'm wondering what is the best kind of mood to be in to best
appreciate the first time one reads it.
Beeblebear
"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
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> ChrisC <chri...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>anymore.
>>
>>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>
>>EON by Greg Bear
>>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
> Oh my. If you HAVEN'T read the Bester yet, set aside a day or two for it
> NOW.
>
> Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought
> the
> sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
> blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the
> Bester.
>
There's a sequel to Fallen Dragon?
I haven't heard of one. What is it's name?
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Dennis L. McKiernan
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
Free love was not a new concept when the book was published. It had, in
fact, been around for a very, very long time.
William Hyde
I like Eon, but go for the Bester first.
William Hyde
John W. Kennedy
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
<SIGH/>
Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
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David Loewe, Jr.
<nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1177605439.0...@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> ChrisC <chri...@googlemail.com> writes:
>>Not bad, really like the Jubal character.
>
>Really? I've just finished the book too (having been rather put off by
>what I had read about it), thought that he was a highly annoying
>opinionated windbag and know-all, and that he patronised his highly
>intelligent and competent female staff dreadfully.
You don't remember the scene where he gets too cranky with the staff
and the three ladies take him out from the dining room while he is
eating and dump him in the pool?
>Admittedly he seemed
>to become rather less annoying as the book went on, but maybe I just
>became acclimatised to him.
>
>> Although I could not help
>>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>anymore.
>
>I can imagine that it must have seemed revolutionary to many people when
>it was first published. I supposed it was one of the first indications
>of the coming changes in attitudes in the 1960s.
>>
>>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>
>>EON by Greg Bear
>>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>
>I haven't read any of those three.
--
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him pay cash."
-Lazarus Long
lal_truckee
> ChrisC wrote:
>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>> anymore.
>
> <SIGH/>
>
> Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
last 50 years?
David DeLaney
>"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
the
>> sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
>> blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the
>> Bester.
>
>There's a sequel to Fallen Dragon?
>I haven't heard of one. What is it's name?
...okay, that tells you how MUCH I didn't remember about Fallen Dragon; I was
thinking of (as examining it here in my pile of to-read proves) the sequel to
Pandora's Star (Judas Unchained). So that invalidates my original claim, yet
illustrates it at the same time...
David DeLaney
...if it had, how would we KNOW?
JJ Karhu
wrote:
>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
>EON by Greg Bear
>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
These are all excellent, in very different ways, but the Bester one is
a classic.
// JJ
John Hall
"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> writes:
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:36:43 +0100, John Hall
><nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <1177605439.0...@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>> ChrisC <chri...@googlemail.com> writes:
>>>Not bad, really like the Jubal character.
>>
>>Really? I've just finished the book too (having been rather put off by
>>what I had read about it), thought that he was a highly annoying
>>opinionated windbag and know-all, and that he patronised his highly
>>intelligent and competent female staff dreadfully.
>
>You don't remember the scene where he gets too cranky with the staff
>and the three ladies take him out from the dining room while he is
>eating and dump him in the pool?
I do. Well deserved, IMO. He did slightly redeem himself for me, though,
by his surprisingly compassionate thoughts in connection with the
sculpture of the caryatid collapsing under her load.
Esa Perkio
: EON by Greg Bear
: Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
: The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
: Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
The Stars My Destination brightly outshines the rest. It has ideas so
densely packed a writer would nowadays use them for at least a trilogy of
1500 pages and fail to make it half as good.
Eon is the Bear that made me think Bear gets his ideas from one-line
synopses of Clarke's books. It's about exploring the innards of a
hollowed-out asteroid which arrives into our system. Beyond that, it's not
too much like Rendezvous with Rama, but the initial similarity was
striking and made me wonder. (It makes an interesting triad with The City
and the Stars / Strength of Stones and Childhood's End / Blood Music).
Nice. Not too impressive, but nice.
Fallen Dragon is not bad as such. It contains a few interesting characters
and several nice ideas. Unfortunately one can IMHO easily read too much
Hamilton in a row, and by the time I read it, I had. He seems to recycle
his ideas a lot. Each iteration is usually better than the last one, but
I'm tempted to think I could spare myself the effort and just read the
last book or series he will ever write.
(The exception to the rule is the miserable Pandora's Star and its sequel.
I recommed avoiding them. I may be in the minority, but I found them
simply awful. The worst part of the experience was having a terrible
feeling that they could have been very good indeed, if the future society
was designed with more effort. The best I can say about them is that I
read them cover to cover hating them all the way.)
--
Esa Perkiö
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>
>Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
>last 50 years?
I suspect the teaching of history has been characterized over the
centuries by neglecting the most recent century or two.
Jon Schild
The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
--
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
Scott Lurndal
If the teacher can remember it, it ain't history yet?
scott
dwight...@gmail.com
> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> writes:
> >wrote:
>
> >>> Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>
> >>Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
> >>last 50 years?
>
> >I suspect the teaching of history has been characterized over the
> >centuries by neglecting the most recent century or two.
>
> If the teacher can remember it, it ain't history yet?
That would be one of the nicer effects of an extended lifespan.
Assuming tri-centarians, for example, we could have people telling us
first-hand about the dead heavy hands of King George and why the
colonies had to revolt (of course, there would be no living Tory
sympathizers.) We could talk more intelligibly about topics like
'original intent'. And so on and so forth.
As it is, when I talk to some of my younger colleagues about the 60's
they look at me like I'm some sort of cryptozoic life form. Abby
Hoffman? The Smothers Brothers? Barbara Feldman? Who are these guys
and why are they in any way important or memorable?
JXStern
<dwight...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As it is, when I talk to some of my younger colleagues about the 60's
>they look at me like I'm some sort of cryptozoic life form. Abby
>Hoffman? The Smothers Brothers? Barbara Feldman? Who are these guys
>and why are they in any way important or memorable?
I had occasion to compare two debaters to Abbott and Costello
recently, and I think the young squirt I was talking to assumed it was
some kind of ice cream.
J.
Mike Schilling
<dwight...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> As it is, when I talk to some of my younger colleagues about the 60's
> they look at me like I'm some sort of cryptozoic life form. Abby
> Hoffman? The Smothers Brothers? Barbara Feldman?
I don;t know Barbara Feldman either. Do you mean Barbara Feldon?
David Loewe, Jr.
Tom and Dick were in town recently (within the last month) to perform.
>Barbara Feldman? Who are these guys
>and why are they in any way important or memorable?
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dwight...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <dwight.thi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
K'oh! I'm also old enough that I'm starting to experience these sorts
of transient aphasia. So not only is our hypothetical tri-centanarian
a true-blue patriot, he's absolutely convinced that he personally saw
Washington plug Gage with a six-shooter.
Mike Schilling
"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Apr 2007 16:58:38 -0700, "dwight...@gmail.com"
> <dwight...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 26, 6:35 pm, s...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> writes:
>>> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:00:22 GMT, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>>>
>>> >>Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in
>>> >>the
>>> >>last 50 years?
>>>
>>> >I suspect the teaching of history has been characterized over the
>>> >centuries by neglecting the most recent century or two.
>>>
>>> If the teacher can remember it, it ain't history yet?
>>
>>That would be one of the nicer effects of an extended lifespan.
>>Assuming tri-centarians, for example, we could have people telling us
>>first-hand about the dead heavy hands of King George and why the
>>colonies had to revolt (of course, there would be no living Tory
>>sympathizers.) We could talk more intelligibly about topics like
>>'original intent'. And so on and so forth.
>>
>>As it is, when I talk to some of my younger colleagues about the 60's
>>they look at me like I'm some sort of cryptozoic life form. Abby
>>Hoffman? The Smothers Brothers?
>
> Tom and Dick were in town recently (within the last month) to perform.
And Mom *still* always liked him best.
Mike Schilling
<dwight...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You got that right. Eyewtiness accounts are among the most suspect of
evidence even when they're less than 200 years old.
By the way, you're not alone. The lovely Ms. Feldon is the third-ranking
Google hit for "Barbara Feldman".
Gene Ward Smith
<dwight.thi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As it is, when I talk to some of my younger colleagues about the 60's
> they look at me like I'm some sort of cryptozoic life form. Abby
> Hoffman?
Not everyone is into track and field. And the rumor she wrote
"Revolution For the Hell of It" is without substance. The cover
photo doesn't even look anything like her.
Eef Hartman
> EON by Greg Bear
If you _do_ go for this one, make sure to get Eternity too.
Although not as good as this one, it rounds of the story about
the tunnel.
Furthermore I join the rest of the comments, the Bester tale
(The Stars my Destination) really _IS_ a classic one you must have
read. The Hamilton book I don't know, but I do not expect too much
of it, at best Hamilton is an "adequate" writer, not a GREAT one.
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Bill Patterson
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
Aside from the fact there is no "free love" in the book . . .
If you haven't read The Stars My Destination, you should add that one
to your repertoire posthaste, without any dis to messrs. Bear and
Hamilton.
Bill Patterson
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:00:22 GMT, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>
> >Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
> >last 50 years?
>
> I suspect the teaching of history has been characterized over the
> centuries by neglecting the most recent century or two.
There's a wonderful book titled something like "Lies My Teacher Told
Me" that discusses the denaturing of history teaching over the last
several decades. So far as I can tell, surfing several (California)
high school general history texts, it's been reduced to a collection
of highly selected cliches -- basically snapshots or images of
disconnected moments -- sewn together with what superficially looks
like a connecting narrative, but which doesn't actually connect any of
these things together. The one I looked at most recently, an American
history text, had the entire Progressive movement between the
Haymarket Riot and the Cross of Gold speech simply left out -- and how
you can understand either of those things without reference to the
post Civil War Progressive movement(s) is beyond me.
William December Starr
sl...@pacbell.net said:
> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> writes:
>
>> I suspect the teaching of history has been characterized over the
>> centuries by neglecting the most recent century or two.
>
> If the teacher can remember it, it ain't history yet?
Not to mention: if it's recent enough to still be controversial --
even if only among a small but very loud group of cranks who can make
way more trouble for you than it's worth -- then it ain't history yet.
(And of course: if it's recent enough that if the history class falls
a bit behind schedule over the course of the school year there won't
be time left at the end for it then it ain't history yet either.)
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
John Schilling
wrote:
Except that in this case, it's everything *but* the past century, or less,
that's being neglected. As Heinlein said, every generation thinks it is
the first to discover casual sex.
I suspect there's a disconnect between "recent history" and "ancient
history", with the former being the stuff the history teacher actually
experienced and the latter, everything from before they were born. If
it's "recent history", then the history teacher's generation is assumed
to have come up with it from scratch. If it's "ancient history", it has
no relevance to the presence or even to recent history, but we had to
learn it in school, dadgummit, so you whippersnappers do too.
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John Schilling
>On Apr 26, 6:35 pm, s...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> writes:
>> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:00:22 GMT, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >>> Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>> >>Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
>> >>last 50 years?
>> >I suspect the teaching of history has been characterized over the
>> >centuries by neglecting the most recent century or two.
>> If the teacher can remember it, it ain't history yet?
>That would be one of the nicer effects of an extended lifespan.
>Assuming tri-centarians, for example, we could have people telling us
>first-hand about the dead heavy hands of King George and why the
>colonies had to revolt (of course, there would be no living Tory
>sympathizers.) We could talk more intelligibly about topics like
>'original intent'. And so on and so forth.
Dream on. Assuming tri-centarians, in another two hundred years we'll
have Holocaust Revisionists who will swear they were at Auschwitz during
the war and that nobody was killed there. Worse, you'll have Holocaust
*survivors* who will say the same thing. And none of them will be lying.
They'll all be *wrong*, but that's par for the course where human memory
is concerned.
Mike Schilling
"John Schilling" <schi...@spock.usc.edu> wrote in message
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> Dream on. Assuming tri-centarians, in another two hundred years we'll
> have Holocaust Revisionists who will swear they were at Auschwitz during
> the war and that nobody was killed there. Worse, you'll have Holocaust
> *survivors* who will say the same thing. And none of them will be lying.
>
> They'll all be *wrong*, but that's par for the course where human memory
> is concerned.
"I was there, I was. In the back, you understand, so I couldn't see Him so
well, but I heard Him. Beautiful speaking voice He had, not that you'd
expect otherwise. Anyway, that's the reason I went into the circus.
Entertaining people, lifting their spirits, bringing a bit of light into
their humdrum lives; that's His work, innit? Anyway, I think it is, and
I've never looked back for a second, not these many years. Millennia now,
iniit? Funny word, that. Wozzat? You need to speak up a bit, my hearing's
not what it used to be. Naah, the chickens don't really mind, or He wouldna
said it, would He? 'Blessed are the geeks.'"
Victor Velazquez
news:qx7Yh.17939$JZ3....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Yes, there's 50 more years of it to teach.
Victor Velazquez
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The school year is never as long as one would like it to be.
wam
"ChrisC" <chri...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
Howard Brazee
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
What do you mean "anymore"?
It was my understanding (I could be wrong) that it was never used by
USAmerican publishers, probably because they assume we don't know
Blake. At least that wasn't as big of an insult as assuming we'd get
confused by _Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone_.
Are there current British reprints that use the American title?
John Hall
Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
imports from the US.
"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
2001, 2006, 2007.
So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
used it.
Howard Brazee
<nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>imports from the US.
>
>"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>
>"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>2001, 2006, 2007.
>
>So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>used it.
Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
The Hurkle Beast
news:1177605439.0...@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a
new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
I'm overdue for another rereading.....yes.
mark...@earthlink.net
> John W. Kennedy wrote:
> > ChrisC wrote:
> >> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> >> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> >> anymore.
>
>
> > Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>
> Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
> last 50 years?
Never mind that, has nobody seen Time After Time, in which the Wells
character talks have having written about it.
That was my first introduction to the concept that the Sixties were
hardly the first time people had tried to loosen attitudes about sex.
Mike Hubbard
wrote:
Harry Potter and the Room of Secrets?
And, for the American market, The Lion, the Witch and the Closet.
Bill Patterson
I loved that film -- He's trying to be cool and dangerous while
discovering that MacDonalds French Fries are pommes frites and she's
yawning at how out of date his fin de siecle mod has become.
Steenbergen and MacDowell were excruciatingly funny.
I particularly liked the reveal at the end that turns the whole thing
into a big circle in time -- a genre I don't think Wells ever fooled
around with. Nice topper.
Jerry Brown
wrote:
>On Apr 30, 11:12?am, markr1...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 3:00 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > John W. Kennedy wrote:
>> > > ChrisC wrote:
>> > >> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>> > >> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>> > >> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>> > >> anymore.
>>
>> > > <SIGH/>
>>
>> > > Under that name, it was already over a century old by the 1960s.
>>
>> > Has something really dreadful happened to the teaching of history in the
>> > last 50 years?
>>
>> Never mind that, has nobody seen Time After Time, in which the Wells
>> character talks have having written about it.
>>
>> That was my first introduction to the concept that the Sixties were
>> hardly the first time people had tried to loosen attitudes about sex.
>
>I loved that film -- He's trying to be cool and dangerous while
>discovering that MacDonalds French Fries are pommes frites and she's
>yawning at how out of date his fin de siecle mod has become.
>Steenbergen and MacDowell were excruciatingly funny.
Wells's attempt to blend in by imitating the customer ahead of him in
the queue at "that Scottish restaurant, McDougalls?" is one of my all
time favourite moments...
<bad american accent>Lemma hava Big Mac, an ordera fries...</>
<very english accent>...and tea, to go please</>
Jerry Brown
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A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
David Loftus
<j...@jwbrown.co.uk.RemoveThisBitToReply> wrote:
> On 1 May 2007 07:39:44 -0700, Bill Patterson <WHPatter...@gmail.com>
All courtesy of the writer-director, Nicholas Meyer, also known for
both his decent Sherlock Holmes pastiches, _The Seven Percent
Solution_ and _The West End Horror_, and his classic B-movie,
"Invasion of the Bee Girls."
One of the other things I remember fondly about "Time After Time" is
David Warner's chilling delivery of Jack the Ripper's lines as he's
showing Wells the modern world, courtesy of a flip through a series of
channels on a hotel TV:
"We don't belong here? On the contrary, Herbert. I belong here
completely and utterly. I'm home. . . . The future isn't what you
thought. It's what I am."
David Loftus
Bill Patterson
>
> - Show quoted text -
As I say, I loved that film. And I was living in San Francisco at the
time, where it takes place -- and the chase up and down the
Embarcadero Center was particularly thrilling, since I was working in
one of the office buildings attached to the EC.
They really made excellent use of locations -- the H.G. Wells exhibit
was staged at the California Academy of Sciences museum in Golden Gate
Park, where I spent many weekends. Must remember to go back next time
I visit . . .
Omega
<j...@xmission.com> writes
>
>ChrisC wrote:
>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>> anymore.
>> EON by Greg Bear
>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>
>
>
Seconded.
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Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
Death's my destination
Don Tuite
wrote:
>In message <f0r724$m9r$1...@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
><j...@xmission.com> writes
>>
>>ChrisC wrote:
>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>> anymore.
>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>
>>
>>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>
>>
>Seconded.
Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
Don
Fapuse
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
"The stars my destination", no doubt about it. Anyone but me had an
impression, that original title "Tiger! Tiger!" suits it better?
BS
Mike Van Pelt
David Loftus <dlo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>One of the other things I remember fondly about "Time
>After Time" is David Warner's chilling delivery of Jack
>the Ripper's lines as he's showing Wells the modern
>world, courtesy of a flip through a series of channels
>on a hotel TV:
>
>"We don't belong here? On the contrary, Herbert. I
>belong here completely and utterly. I'm home. . . .
>The future isn't what you thought. It's what I am."
Oh, yeah. I'm even more fond of:
"In my time, I was a monster. In this time... I'm an
amateur."
<brrrrr!>
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