Dr. Ben Goodley
Jean-Francois Bertrand
I'm addressing the collective wisdom to make up for a lack of memory on my
part.
I'm currently reading Executive Orders (p.838 of 1358, paperback
edition...), and although I've read all the other Clancy books, in order
of publication, I can't recall seeing this Dr. Ben, now NSA in EO.
Who is he? Wshat's his background? What was his role in previous books?
Thanks in advance, from
Jean-Francois Bertrand "Past performance is
Student of History @ the University of Ottawa no guarantee of
cj...@freenet.carleton.ca future results"
living in Rockland, Eastern Ontario, Canada
living on the Web at http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~cj785/
AgentX88
Jean-Francois Bertrand wrote:
>
>I'm addressing the collective wisdom to make up for a lack of memory on my
>part.
>I'm currently reading Executive Orders (p.838 of 1358, paperback
>edition...), and although I've read all the other Clancy books, in order
>of publication, I can't recall seeing this Dr. Ben, now NSA in EO.
>Who is he? Wshat's his background? What was his role in previous books?
>
>Thanks in advance, from
>
>
>
>Jean-Francois Bertrand
He got his start in SOAF as the weasly spy for Liz Elliot who worked as an
assistant to Ryan. He cleaned up his act by the end of the novel.
Francis Lapeyre
Kirk Kerekes wrote:
>
[snip]
> He was introduced in the previous (by timeline) story, DOH, as an
> initially naive stooge of the White House, assigned to get dirt on JPR.
Shouldn't that be Sum of All Fears? He was recruited by EE (Elizabeth
Eliot) to get the dirt on Ryan, which eventually bickfired because Clark
plays marriage counselor and skoshes the rumors anout Jack & Carol
Zimmer for Cathy Ryan.
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In <68gago$p...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, on 01/01/98
>I'm addressing the collective wisdom to make up for a lack of memory on my
>part.
>I'm currently reading Executive Orders (p.838 of 1358, paperback
>edition...), and although I've read all the other Clancy books, in order of
>publication, I can't recall seeing this Dr. Ben, now NSA in EO. Who is he?
>Wshat's his background? What was his role in previous books?
Dr. Ben Goodley, you can find his first appearence in SoAF... He was asked
to "check out" Ryan and his relationship with a little 7-11 store... :)
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Kirk Kerekes wrote:
> He was introduced in the previous (by timeline) story, DOH, as an
> initially naive stooge of the White House, assigned to get dirt on JPR.
>
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Actually he was introduced in The Sum of All Fears, not DOH. Was he in
DOH, I can't remember.
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Aaron Conklin wrote in message <34ACB3B8...@ipresent.com>...
>Kirk Kerekes wrote:
>> He was introduced in the previous (by timeline) story, DOH, as an
>> initially naive stooge of the White House, assigned to get dirt on JPR.
>>
>> --
>> Kirk & Diane Kerekes
>> Red Gate Ranch
>> red...@tulsa.oklahoma.net
>
>Actually he was introduced in The Sum of All Fears, not DOH. Was he in
>DOH, I can't remember.
I think so, as a 'high-speed, low-drag' analyst... or something.
Bobby Cox
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Matt Ciarelli
Nope, actually Ben Goodley wasn't in DOH at all. So far he's just been in SOAF
and EO, but hopefully he'll be around again, he's a good character.
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Jim direct
Wasn't he Liz Elloit's stooge in CAPD?
Mike Chapman
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Initially, yes.
However, he ends up converted to the Ryan camp as a good guy.
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Jason Atkinson
BTW, its SoAF, which I am currently reading. Real masterpiece. One
of Clancy's best.
jeff bock
actually, it was SOAF.
E.E. was such a witch with a capital "b".... i wonder what she's up to now
in the ryanverse.
hmmm...possible oln subplot here?
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Michael W. Ellis
jeff bock wrote in message <01bd4796$e9b59560$7842d2d0@raptor>...
>actually, it was SOAF.
>E.E. was such a witch with a capital "b".... i wonder what she's up to now
>in the ryanverse.
>hmmm...possible oln subplot here?
IIRC, EE suffered a nervous breakdown after the closing events in SoAF.
Once she realized how close she and whathisface came to nuking innocent
people, she came unglued.
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Dave Powell
Michael W. Ellis wrote in message <6e9khl$rbt$1...@news.ro.com>...
>jeff bock wrote in message <01bd4796$e9b59560$7842d2d0@raptor>...
>>actually, it was SOAF.
>>E.E. was such a witch with a capital "b".... i wonder what she's up to now
>>in the ryanverse.
>>hmmm...possible oln subplot here?
>
>IIRC, EE suffered a nervous breakdown after the closing events in SoAF.
>Once she realized how close she and whathisface came to nuking innocent
>people, she came unglued.
Actually, I found that a little odd. People like her never apologise for
anything, much less feel sorry about it. Look at the Left Wing in the US,
for example. They'd nuke the Vatican if they thought it would get them
votes, and their functionaries and fellows would stand in line... witness
some of Clinton's idiocies and the rank and file, even sacrificial backing
the left provides him. (How many people have gladly gone to jail for their
patron?)
Geof F. Morris
Dave Powell wrote:
> Michael W. Ellis wrote:
> >IIRC, EE suffered a nervous breakdown after the closing events in
> >SoAF. Once she realized how close she and whathisface came to nuking
> >innocent people, she came unglued.
>
> Actually, I found that a little odd. People like her never apologise
> for anything, much less feel sorry about it. Look at the Left Wing in
> the US, for example. They'd nuke the Vatican if they thought it would
> get them votes, and their functionaries and fellows would stand in
> line... witness some of Clinton's idiocies and the rank and file, even
> sacrificial backing the left provides him. (How many people have
> gladly gone to jail for their patron?)
The hell? Dave, you've obviously never considered nuking someone, and
I mean really doing it, have you? Okay, the Air Force is a bunch of
pansies, I'll give you that. It's a cushy pit stop on the road of life
for the most part. However, the guys in the old SAC were charged with
the destruction of this planet, if necessary. As I've stated before, my
dad had the unfortunate pleasure of working in a Titan II silo in the
mid-70's (that's what you did when you flunked out of pilot training in
the USAF then -- they needed good people in missiles, and for the most
part, pilot washouts were still pretty good guys, better than your
average USAF wingwipers.)
That said, I asked my dad one long night if he'd actually considered
turning the key. He got reeeeeeeeeal quiet for a while, said yes, and
proceeded to explain his reasons for his subsequent planned suicide,
should the order come down from NCA.
Protecting party officials is one thing. That happens all the time.
It also happens in business -- it's rare that the CEO gets fired, but
VP's are chunked every time the Chairman of the Board burps really loud
at the weekly Board meeting. Like my Statics instructor spoke on the
other day (his classes are forty minutes of engineering minutiae and
fifteen minutes rollicking commentary on life in general and business in
particular), they're getting paid good money to take the fall for the
higher-ups. "Middle management means you've always got a gun trained on
you," as Dr. Gilbert said.
However, nuking the world, or even just one city, Qom, as was the case
in SoAF, is enough to reduce most people, emotionally, to thoughts they
do not usually have. Sure, there are some sick people in this world
that could probably do it, walk away, smoke a cigarette, have a
sandwich, and ask you who you thought would win the Final Four next
week, but those people a) usually aren't in power in this country and b)
are freaks in the first place. That was NOT Elizabeth Eliot. She was a
whiny, sultry, scheming little bitch with a permanent case of CYA-itis.
Politics is a timeless event; nuclear destruction is a time-ending
event.
Geof
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"Dave Powell" <david_po...@msn.com> wrote:
>Michael W. Ellis wrote in message <6e9khl$rbt$1...@news.ro.com>...
>>
>>IIRC, EE suffered a nervous breakdown after the closing events in SoAF.
>>Once she realized how close she and whathisface came to nuking innocent
>>people, she came unglued.
>
>Actually, I found that a little odd. People like her never apologise for
>anything, much less feel sorry about it.
>
been scheduled to be at that game in Denver, only missing that because
of weather and unfolding events. She fixed on the thought that she would
have been killed, and couldn't let go it, effectively making her useless.
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Jason Atkinson
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:21:30 -0500, "Dave Powell"
<david_po...@msn.com> wrote:
>Michael W. Ellis wrote in message <6e9khl$rbt$1...@news.ro.com>...
>>jeff bock wrote in message <01bd4796$e9b59560$7842d2d0@raptor>...
>>>actually, it was SOAF.
>>>E.E. was such a witch with a capital "b".... i wonder what she's up to now
>>>in the ryanverse.
>>>hmmm...possible oln subplot here?
>>
>>IIRC, EE suffered a nervous breakdown after the closing events in SoAF.
>>Once she realized how close she and whathisface came to nuking innocent
>>people, she came unglued.
>
>Actually, I found that a little odd. People like her never apologise for
>anything, much less feel sorry about it. Look at the Left Wing in the US,
>for example.
I just finished the book for the nth time. Throughout the book, it
makes it clear that she is a weak woman. Her nervous breakdown
probably has little to do with conscience, and more to do with the
extreame stress of the situation, her inability to get over the fact
that she could have been killed, and the crushing blow to her ego that
she was wrong and Ryan was right.
The last we hear off her is from Arnie, near the end of SoAF. "She is
back in the cabin, under sedation."
Jason Atkinson
> However, nuking the world, or even just one city, Qom, as was the case
>in SoAF, is enough to reduce most people, emotionally, to thoughts they
Geof, E.E. had nothing to do with the proposed attack on Qom. That
was all Fowler.
Geof F. Morris
I dispute that. We all know that Fowler wouldn't, nay couldn't, really
act without EE's approval. Her complicity in this matter is tantamount
to approval, IMHO. I think, as others have said, her situation was
exacerbated by her unintelligible babbling about how she and Bob (well,
hell, really she, knowing people like her) has been targeted.
Also, Elliot is confused. I've just skimmed the ending of SoAF, and
remember that EE's going after the report of a possible Russian coup
that Ryan brought in to Fowler a few days before all of this goes down.
Harumph, well, though, I see that it was indeed Bob who ordered Qom.
However, this was escalated by Elliot's incompetence in thinking she and
Fowler were targets of Russian coupmakers.
Geof <--a good rant spoiled by bad memories . . . damn
Michael W. Ellis
Paul Gordon wrote in message <35088027...@news.neosoft.com>...
>What really shook her was the realization that she and the President had
>been scheduled to be at that game in Denver, only missing that because
>of weather and unfolding events. She fixed on the thought that she would
>have been killed, and couldn't let go it, effectively making her useless.
>
Her fixation on the close brush with death was what drove her decision
making process (and her advice to the President) during the unfolding
crisis. Instead of rendering her useless, this fixation made her dangerous.
She lost what little objectivity she might have possessed and lashed out in
the direction that threat seemed to come from. The useless bit came after
the crisis was resolved.
Daniel Khaykis
On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Michael W. Ellis wrote:
> Her fixation on the close brush with death was what drove her decision
> making process (and her advice to the President) during the unfolding
> crisis. Instead of rendering her useless, this fixation made her dangerous.
> She lost what little objectivity she might have possessed and lashed out in
> the direction that threat seemed to come from. The useless bit came after
> the crisis was resolved.
Does anyone think that by showing this Clancy [may be unintentionally] gave
his own argument in favor of Heinlein's idea that only veterans should be
elected? Reason being they know what it is to be faced with a threat, on one
hand, and [as JMA apparently does] they realize the responsibility of one who
holds the weapon to use it in *appropriate* manner and situation.
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D.C.KOH
Daniel Khaykis wrote:
>
> Does anyone think that by showing this Clancy [may be unintentionally] gave
> his own argument in favor of Heinlein's idea that only veterans should be
> elected? Reason being they know what it is to be faced with a threat, on one
> hand, and [as JMA apparently does] they realize the responsibility of one who
> holds the weapon to use it in *appropriate* manner and situation.
>
experience and in Usenet many vets (combat or prior service) who belong
to the 'Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out' category.
Similarly, I've known many who are pure civvy-street and yet are aware
of what it means to use sufficient force. There are many who by training
(in my experience, usually science or engineering trained) who know that
the brute force approach (be it over-engineering, gross overkill, etc.)
is at best clumsy and unimaginative.
The concept of appropriate and sufficient force is not alien to
civilians. Hell, I know of civilians who in their daily routine display
an understanding of good fire-discipline, even though they do not know
what it is, or have had weapons training before.
Dan
Mike Chapman
Gotta back DCK up on this one.
If all is as reported, and TC is a Heinlein fan, he would have read the
discussion on veterans enforcing civil laws in Starship Troopers; although
the setting is fictional, the psychology behind the ideas is quite sound.
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