Three Middle Eastern Men Found With 1000 Cell Phones, Now Face Charges
D. Spencer Hines
Written By Sam Licavoli II
Edited By Doug Moiles
"(TV5) -- The three suspects are now facing two counts each of Homeland
Security Terrorism charges. All three suspects are due to be arraigned
August 12th.
Around 1:00am August 11th the three men purchased cell phones from the
Wal-Mart store on M-81 near the corner of M-24 in Caro. Wal-Mart places a
limit on the number of cell phones that can be purchased at once, that
number is three. The three men allegedly bought 80 by purchasing them three
at time so that an alert wouldn't be triggered by the cash register. They
also paid cash.
An alert clerk grew suspicious and called Tuscola County central dispatch.
The Caro Police Department sent a unit and stopped the rented van on M-81
just east of Caro. The suspects were headed towards Bad Axe on M-81 where
there is another Super Wal-Mart.
The three men are described as being of Palestinian descent but live in
Texas. Police say the three, ages 19, 22, and 23 appear to be naturalized
citizens.
One man was driving while the other two were in the back opening the phone
packages with box cutters throwing the phones in one box, batteries in
another and the packaging and phone charger in another container. The
suspects had 1000 other cell phones in the van. There was also a bag of
receipts showing that someone was in Wisconsin the day before.
The phones were Nokia TracFones selling for $20 at Wal-Mart. For your twenty
dollars you receive a phone charger and 40 minutes of airtime. The phones do
not have to be registered with a name. Also discovered was a laptop with
store addresses and store logos.
Tim Nausler with the Michigan State Police bomb squad says this has all the
tell tale signs of using cell phones to detonate bombs. He says you need two
phones to detonate a bomb one to be with the explosive and the other to make
the call to that phone. In some instances he says you can detonate with one
phone using the alarm clock function.
The TracFones are a nationwide prepaid wireless phone service and are even
offered with international long distance. These phones according to
www.tracfone.com don't even have coverage in the Thumb area where they were
purchased.
The men have been "cooperative, upfront, not hiding" anything according to
police. They also told officers they get stopped frequently and say they buy
the phones for $20 and sell them elsewhere for $38. They sell them without
the packaging or charger.
The Caro Police Department, the FBI and the Homeland Security Terrorism
Taskforce are involved in the case."
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
BernardZ
says...
> In some instances he says you can detonate with one
> phone using the alarm clock function.
>
Unlikely as in that case you can use an alarm clock.
--
Before I purchased a treadmill depended on the weather and the mood.
When is was nice weather a walk used to be very pleasant and relaxing.
Two people could walk side by side enjoying going past the many shops
and parks near by place. Enjoying the sunset by the sea was particularly
pleasant. Now a rather then thinking it will be nice, my mind thinks
this is a challenge. It knows soon that this is going to hurt. My lungs
and heart pump and will soon go boom, boom, boom and my legs will get
sore running fast up a steep incline. Worst of all there is almost no
excuses as you can walk even on the most unpleasant days and the only
view I see, is the TV news.
Observations of Bernard - No 103
Andrew Swallow
> In article <bpcDg.81$Qo....@eagle.america.net>, pogue...@hotmail.com
> says...
>> In some instances he says you can detonate with one
>> phone using the alarm clock function.
>>
>
> Unlikely as in that case you can use an alarm clock.
>
you to work on time. Totally un-Islamic. ;)
It appears to be standard operational procedure for Muslim terrorists
to use timers from mobile phones even though alarm clocks would be
easier and cheaper.
Madrid Bombing
March 2004
"The five were arrested on Saturday in connection with the discovery of
a mobile phone rigged to detonate a bomb which failed to explode during
the attacks."
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3549443.stm>
London Bombing
August 2005
"Deputy NYPD commissioner Paul Browne said commissioner Raymond Kelly
was right to include details of the devices in a briefing for security
experts.
These included saying the 7 July bombs had been detonated by mobile
phones. "
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4746835.stm>
Andrew Swallow
William Black
"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:INCdnVKip_h...@bt.com...
> Alarm clock!!!! One of those weird westerner devices for getting
> you to work on time. Totally un-Islamic. ;)
>
>
> It appears to be standard operational procedure for Muslim terrorists
> to use timers from mobile phones even though alarm clocks would be
> easier and cheaper.
If you use a mobile phone with the detonator attached to the ringer circuit
you have a number of options.
1. The alarm clock timer
2. A call to the instrument
3. Play a ring tone.
So it has three function options:
Remote Command Detonation, Timed Detonation and Suicide Bomb.
You're a security official with a mobile phone attached to a bomb.
Is it an abandoned suicide bomb?
Is it about to trigger from the alarm clock?
Is someone watching from a nearby building with another phone in their hand
ready to blow you to bits when you try and defuse the bloody thing?
This is why, when there's a terrorist incident, they switch off the mobile
phone networks...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
zzbu...@netscape.net
> BernardZ wrote:
> > In article <bpcDg.81$Qo....@eagle.america.net>, pogue...@hotmail.com
> > says...
> >> In some instances he says you can detonate with one
> >> phone using the alarm clock function.
> >>
> >
> > Unlikely as in that case you can use an alarm clock.
> >
> Alarm clock!!!! One of those weird westerner devices for getting
> you to work on time. Totally un-Islamic. ;)
It's doesn't matter, they're all alarm clocks.
not moron Islam clocks. Since they work
on satellite time, not AT&T time.
jackli...@earthlink.net
Why is it that I keep thinking of that song "Seven Old Ladies Locked in
the Lavatry" when I see the title of this thread?
http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiSEVENOL2.html (USA)
http://users.bigpond.net.au/kirwilli/songs/sevenold.htm (GB)
Kurt Ullman
tariq....@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Why don't you give the "suspects" a chance to explain themselves?
>
We did. They did not explain themselves to the satisfaction of the
cops so they were busted and will have the opportunity to explain
themselves to the satisfaction of a jury. Personally I would have just
told them I was selling them to drug dealers. Much less messy.
William Black
<tariq....@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1155495485.2...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
It doesn't work.
The evil Jooooos switched the facility off.
Now they're coming to get you.
The only way to escape is to sit under the stairs wearing your tinfoil hat.
But remember.
You must turn off your computer.
This is very important...
--
William Black
Razors pain you, Rivers are damp,
Acids stain you, And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful, Nooses give,
Gas smells awful. You might as well live
Paul J Gans
>"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>news:INCdnVKip_h...@bt.com...
>> Alarm clock!!!! One of those weird westerner devices for getting
>> you to work on time. Totally un-Islamic. ;)
>>
>>
>> It appears to be standard operational procedure for Muslim terrorists
>> to use timers from mobile phones even though alarm clocks would be
>> easier and cheaper.
>If you use a mobile phone with the detonator attached to the ringer circuit
>you have a number of options.
>1. The alarm clock timer
>2. A call to the instrument
>3. Play a ring tone.
>So it has three function options:
>Remote Command Detonation, Timed Detonation and Suicide Bomb.
>You're a security official with a mobile phone attached to a bomb.
>Is it an abandoned suicide bomb?
>Is it about to trigger from the alarm clock?
>Is someone watching from a nearby building with another phone in their hand
>ready to blow you to bits when you try and defuse the bloody thing?
>This is why, when there's a terrorist incident, they switch off the mobile
>phone networks...
My understanding, possibly wrong, is that these phones worked
only on US networks and would be of no use at all if shipped
to Europe -- which was, I think, stated as the final destination.
Given the lazyness and stupidity of the average reporter, I'll
wait for more details. What we have makes little or no sense.
---- Paul J. Gans
William Black
"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ebo3od$pe9$2...@reader2.panix.com...
> My understanding, possibly wrong, is that these phones worked
> only on US networks and would be of no use at all if shipped
> to Europe -- which was, I think, stated as the final destination.
>
> Given the lazyness and stupidity of the average reporter, I'll
> wait for more details. What we have makes little or no sense.
Modern phones are tri-band or even quad-band and work just about anywhere.
As you can buy mobile phones with cards that will work anywhere in the world
on just about any street corner anywhere why on earth buy them in the USA
and ship them?
It sounds rather odd to me.
Kurt Ullman
Paul J Gans <ga...@panix.com> wrote:
> My understanding, possibly wrong, is that these phones worked
> only on US networks and would be of no use at all if shipped
> to Europe -- which was, I think, stated as the final destination.
>
The articles I have read all say that they were saying they were
buying 1000s of phones over a bunch of states to resell (for $5 each
profit) to someone back in TX. Nothing was said on Reuters where they
were going.
D. Spencer Hines
news:ebo3od$pe9$2...@reader2.panix.com...
> My understanding, possibly wrong, is that these phones worked
> only on US networks and would be of no use at all if shipped
> to Europe -- which was, I think, stated as the final destination.
>
> Given the lazyness [sic] and stupidity of the average reporter, I'll
> wait for more details. What we have makes little or no sense.
>
> ---- Paul J. Gans
--------------------------------------------------------
Gans, who doesn't even believe we are fighting World War IV, the War On
Terrorism, finds it impossible to believe we could have Home-Grown
Terrorists on American Soil and therefore need to give NSA and the FBI all
sorts of Wartime Powers to root out terrorists by monitoring them and their
contacts abroad....
Because He's Naive & Hates George W. Bush -- whom he has repeatedly accused
of being a Liar.
The men SAID they had bought the phones at Walmart and could resell them to
make a profit.
We shall see if their story pans out -- and who was buying the phones -- if
it does.
Gans = Always A Day Late & A Dollar Short when it comes to thinking outside
the box of Angry Left-Wing "Liberalism".
Given the LAZINESS and STUPIDITY of the average Angry Left-Wing "Liberal"...
DSH
Paul J Gans
>"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:ebo3od$pe9$2...@reader2.panix.com...
>> My understanding, possibly wrong, is that these phones worked
>> only on US networks and would be of no use at all if shipped
>> to Europe -- which was, I think, stated as the final destination.
>>
>> Given the lazyness and stupidity of the average reporter, I'll
>> wait for more details. What we have makes little or no sense.
>Modern phones are tri-band or even quad-band and work just about anywhere.
Not in the US. My phone will work only on particular networks
in the US.
We've got cell phone towers all over the place duplicating
each other like crazy.
>As you can buy mobile phones with cards that will work anywhere in the world
>on just about any street corner anywhere why on earth buy them in the USA
>and ship them?
Exactly.
----- Paul J. Gans
Paul J Gans
Ok. Then what was illegal about it?
----- Paul J. Gans
Paul J Gans
In the United States I live in, you cannot be arrested merely
because you bought a bunch of phones.
Buying in bulk at Walmart and reselling at retail is a very old
custom in the US. Many mom-and-pop stores do it.
And by the way, if free enterprise is evidence of "liberalism",
we are in deep waters.
---- Paul J. Gans
D. Spencer Hines
phones overseas.
The three men reportedly live in Texas but were arrested in Michigan.
Gans needs to do some more reading and less posting.
"The men have been "cooperative, upfront, not hiding" anything according to
police. They also told officers they get stopped frequently and say they buy
the phones for $20 and sell them elsewhere for $38. They sell them without
the packaging or charger."
American Free Enterprise At Work -- Or Something More Troubling?
THAT'S Why We Need An Alert Police Force With Powers To Do The Job Of
Protecting The American People.
DSH
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the call to that phone. In some instances he says you can detonate with one
phone using the alarm clock function.
The TracFones are a nationwide prepaid wireless phone service and are even
D. Spencer Hines
ABC News is doing a good job of reporting on this one.
DSH
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"Men held in Michigan suspected of plan to attack Mackinac Bridge"
Amy Fox
Created: 8/13/2006 9:50:08 PM
Updated: 8/13/2006 11:44:01 PM
Federal authorities helped with the investigation into a possible
terror threat to the Mackinac Bridge. The FBI office in Detroit worked with
local law enforcement authorities before the police arrested three men in
Caro on Friday. Officers found about 1,000 pre-paid cell phones in their
van. Police in Caro arrested the three Palestinian-American men after they
allegedly bought 80 of the phones at a Wal-Mart store in Caro.
A pre-paid cell phone can be economical and convenient. But, 22 year
old Adham Othman, 23 year old Louai Othman, and 19 year old Maruwan Muhareb
aroused suspicion when they allegedly bought 80 phones at the same time.
Caro Police Chief Ben Page said they thought 都omething was wrong here."
When police pulled the men over, they found about 1,000 phones in the
van. Many were separated from their battery packs and the chargers were
discarded. Michigan State Police Trooper Patrick Sharkey says, 展e didn't
know exactly what was going on. You hear on the news about these phones
being used to detonate IED's."
Tuscola County Prosecutor Mark Reene says, 典here were a thousand cell
phones that were inside one motor vehicle. There's a laptop computer.
There's a camera and there are things that are still being investigated at
this point in time. Based on information received from a variety of
agencies, we're developing how the actual headphones were sold, revenue was
passed from one location to the next. Obviously, it's fairly complex." He
thinks the men had a complex plan to attack the Mackinac Bridge.
However, the men, who are from Texas, say they simply purchase the
cell phones, and resell them for more money. Louai Othman's wife Lina Odeh
says he was simply trying to support her and their two-month old daughter.
Odeh says, 典heir goal in Michigan was to buy as many phones as they could
so they could make a profit over here."
The men allegedly traveled to several states to buy pre-paid cell
phones, despite policies at many stores limiting purchases to two or three
phones at a time. Police in Wisconsin say these three men also bought phones
in their state. A clerk who helped them says she suspected something fishy.
Barb Bessert, a clerk at a Dollar General store, says, 展hen they buy more
than a couple. Because they are 20 dollars apiece. So, that's like 80 bucks.
But, they don't buy the minutes for it. Just the phone."
But, Othman's wife says this is a common business, and her husband is
only being targeted because of his nationality. Odeh says, 典here's nothing
wrong with it. I don't know why they're making a big deal out of it. Are
ya'll making a big deal out of this because all the Arabs are doing it?"
Two of the men are brothers, and the third is their cousin.
The three are scheduled to appear in court again on Friday. They are
accused of "providing material support for terrorism and obtaining
information of a vulnerable target for the purposes of terrorism."
Web Editor: Chris Zoladz, Associate Producer
Web Editor: Amy Fox, Reporter
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DSH
Andrew Swallow
[snip]
>
> And by the way, if free enterprise is evidence of "liberalism",
> we are in deep waters.
The meaning of liberalism has changed.
Free enterprise is practically the original definition of liberalism.
Non-free enterprise needed permission from the king to start and to
obey the frequent commands of the civil service.
Andrew Swallow
D. Spencer Hines
And perhaps all because an alert clerk at Wal-Mart was not brainwashed into
anserine Gansian thinking to the point where he was more concerned about the
Civil Rights of Muslims than he was about the safety of the American People
from the vicious Islamofascist bombers.
DSH
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Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Alleged Terrorist May Have Crossed Mackinac Bridge"
(TV5) -- It was revealed that the goal of an alleged terror plot, uncovered
in Mid-Michigan, was apparently to hit the Mackinac Bridge. In response to
the announcement by the Tuscola County Prosecutor the U.S. Coast Guard is
increasing its patrols of the Mackinac Bridge.
Hmmmmm... The police "tortured" this information out of the alleged
terrorists? -- DSH
The bridge security had already been increased for
several months due to elevated terror alert levels. Cameras on the bridge
are monitored so that any suspicious packages or activity will be responded
to by authorities.
There is growing speculation as to why the Might Mac was the alleged target
of these three Palestinian-American men. Tuscola County Prosecutor Mark
Reene couldn't go into specific detail about what exactly was found relating
to the target.
One theory is that the men weren't targeting solely the bridge itself but
the people on it. The Annual Labor Day Bridge Walk has drawn over 60,000
people in the past few years. In 2000 there was an estimated 65,000 people
who participated in the Annual Bridge Walk.
Yes, that would have been a Great Victory for the Islamofascists -- killing
thousands of Americans in one blast. -- DSH
The two east lanes of the bridge are used by walkers
until 9:30am. To keep I-75 moving the two west lanes will be used for
vehicles traveling north and south across the bridge. The National Guard is
present in case of an emergency.
The suspects are 21 year old Adham Abdelhamid
Othman, 18 year old Maruan Awad Muhareb, and 23 year old Louai Abdelhamied
Othman; all are apparently from Texas. The three are all related Adham and
Louai are brothers and Maruan Awad Muhareb is their cousin.
All have been charged with one count each of collecting and providing
material support for terrorism; and one count of surveillance of a
vulnerable target, that target allegedly being the Mackinac Bridge.
State police in Gaylord are reporting that the men
bought a large quantity of TracFones from the Wal-Mart in Gaylord on
Thursday August 10th around 11:00pm. That number is reported to be 90 cell
phones. The store manager allegedly told police the next day, but it was
too late because the men were already on their way to Caro.
Receipts in the van show the men had purchased cell
phones in Wisconsin. It is a possibility that the route they took into
Michigan from Wisconsin took them across the Upper Peninsula and led them
across the Mackinac Bridge. We are currently working with the bridge
authority to find out if three men had traveled across the bridge at some
point around August 10th.
The van driven by the men contained about
one-thousand TracFones. These cell phones are often used by drug dealers
because they are cheap and virtually untraceable. They have also been used
to detonate IED's or improvised explosive devices.
There are usually three types of IED's, package,
vehicle borne, and the suicide bomb. Because these devices are "homemade"
they can vary in shape and form. They all share the same components: an
initiation system, explosive, detonator, a power supply for the detonator,
and a container.
It is speculation that the phones were to act as
both the initiation system and detonator. Tim Nausler with the Michigan
State Police bomb squad says this has all the tell-tale signs of using cell
phones to detonate bombs.
He says you need two phones to detonate a bomb one
to be with the explosive and the other to make the call to that phone. In
some instances he says you can detonate with one phone using the alarm clock
function. The cell phones contain three of the five ingredients needed to
build an IED.
The charges against these men are 20-year felonies.
We have also learned the men will face no federal charges. Each of the men
was arraigned on August 12th with bond set at $750,000 cash per suspect.
The men purchased the cell phones in Caro around
1:00am which would have given them just enough time to drive directly from
the Wal-Mart in Gaylord to the store in Caro. The three men purchased cell
phones from the Wal-Mart store on M-81 near the corner of M-24 in Caro early
morning August 11th.
Wal-Mart places a limit on the number of cell phones
that can be purchased at once, that number is three. The three men allegedly
bought 80 by purchasing them three at time so that an alert wouldn't be
triggered by the cash register. They also paid cash.
An alert clerk grew suspicious and called Tuscola
County central dispatch. The Caro Police Department sent a unit and stopped
the rented van on M-81 just east of Caro. The suspects were headed towards
Bad Axe on M-81 where there is another Super Wal-Mart.
One man was driving while the other two were in the
back opening the phone packages with box cutters throwing the phones in one
box, batteries in another and the packaging and phone charger in another
container. The suspects had 1000 other cell phones in the van.
The phones were Nokia TracFones selling for $20 at
Wal-Mart. For your twenty dollars you receive a phone charger and 40 minutes
of airtime. The phones do not have to be registered with a name. Also
discovered was a laptop with store addresses and store logos.
The TracFones are a nationwide prepaid wireless
phone service and are even offered with international long distance. These
phones according to www.tracfone.com don't even have coverage in the Thumb
area where they were purchased.
The men have been "cooperative, upfront, not hiding"
anything according to police. They also told officers they get stopped
frequently and say they buy the phones for $20 and sell them elsewhere for
$38. They sell them without the packaging or charger.
The investigation continues at both the state and federal level."
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Good!
Investigate Away!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Kurt Ullman
"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> One man was driving while the other two were in the
> back opening the phone packages with box cutters throwing the phones in one
> box, batteries in another and the packaging and phone charger in another
> container. The suspects had 1000 other cell phones in the van.
This would sorta argue against the "we bought 'em to sell" scenario
that the lads were talking about earlier.
D. Spencer Hines
Innocent Or Guilty?
DSH
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"FBI: No Terror Groups in Cell Phone Case"
Aug 14, 2006
CARO, Mich.
"The FBI said Monday it had no information to indicate that the three
Texas men arrested with about 1,000 cell phones in their van had any
connections to a known terrorist group.
Authorities had increased patrols on Michigan's 5-mile-long Mackinac
Bridge after local prosecutors said investigators believed the men were
targeting the bridge.
Local authorities didn't say what they believe the men intended to do
with the phones, most of which were prepaid TracFones, but Caro's police
chief noted that cell phones can be untraceable and used as detonators.
The FBI issued a news release Monday saying there is no imminent
threat to the bridge linking Michigan's upper and lower peninsulas and that
it has no information indicating that the men have any direct link to a
terrorist group.
Adham Abdelhamid Othman, 21, of Dallas, and Maruan Awad Muhareb, 18,
and Louai Abdelhamied Othman, 23, both of Mesquite, Texas, were stopped by
police Friday outside a Wal-Mart store in Caro, about 80 miles north of
Detroit after employees became suspicious when they purchased about 80 cell
phones.
Local prosecutors charged them with collecting or providing materials
for terrorist acts and surveillance of a vulnerable target for terrorist
purposes.
Tuscola County Prosecutor Mark E. Reene said Monday that
representatives of his office and Caro police had met with Sunday with
officials from the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S.
attorney's office. He said all the agencies were working together on the
investigation. He didn't say what led officials to believe the bridge might
be a target."
-----------------------
DSH
D. Spencer Hines
[($38 - $20)/20] x 100% = 90% profit.
DSH
<am...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155587145.2...@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
>> In article <lC2Eg.92$M14....@eagle.america.net>,
> Unless there is some explanation to why and how a big number of phones,
> batteries and
> chargers can be sold separately. To be completely objective, it is
> _possible_ to sell parts
> but the buyer should be some big (operating in thousands items) phone
> repairment store
> which can be easily identified (and I suspecty that for such a store it
> would be cheaper
> to buy from a supplier, not from the resellers). Or were they planning
> to go from door to
> door offering rechargers and batteries?
>
> BTW, I'd really like to hear an explanation on how and to whom 1000
> phones from
> wal-mart can be re-sold with 90% profit. Is there some wal-mart-free
> state?
InTheNorthLand
> We did. They did not explain themselves to the satisfaction of the
> cops so they were busted and will have the opportunity to explain
> themselves to the satisfaction of a jury. Personally I would have just
> told them I was selling them to drug dealers. Much less messy.
Does anyone buy the explanation that their 1000 cell phones would be
'resold for a profit'? If so, who would be stupid enough to purchase
the phone by itself? No instructions, no charger, no box. Pictures in
their digital camera of the Mackinac Bridge might be considered
suspicious. Particularly since a number of the images were not what
would be considered the usual tourist type photos. And I doubt these
three young men are all civil engineers.
In keeping with tradition, relatives of the men immediately began
screaming racism. It does not take long for an immigrant (legal or
illegal) to know how the system works in America.
D. Spencer Hines
terrorist plot but were simply selling the phones at a 90% profit to what
turned out to be drug dealers or other crooks, in the end game, it is still
a Damned Good Thing they were caught.
Further, Wal-Mart will no doubt tighten up its procedures and law
enforcement officials will be sensitized to the need to watch out for
unusual cell phone purchases.
Finally, the General Public will ALSO be more alert.
The American People are winners all around, however the case turns out.
This is just the sort of good police work we need during Wartime.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Jim Watt" <jim...@aol.no_way> wrote in message
news:4u22e2pvio5obd2f3...@4ax.com...
> On 14 Aug 2006 15:41:30 -0700, "Jack Linthicum"
> <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I would think that 1000 untraceable cellphones would fetch a healthy
>>resale value
>
> More likely than using them for anything else.
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
John P. Mullen
>>>Why don't you give the "suspects" a chance to explain themselves?
>
>
>> We did. They did not explain themselves to the satisfaction of the
>>cops so they were busted and will have the opportunity to explain
>>themselves to the satisfaction of a jury. Personally I would have just
>>told them I was selling them to drug dealers. Much less messy.
>
>
> Does anyone buy the explanation that their 1000 cell phones would be
> 'resold for a profit'? If so, who would be stupid enough to purchase
> the phone by itself? No instructions, no charger, no box. Pictures in
> their digital camera of the Mackinac Bridge might be considered
> suspicious. Particularly since a number of the images were not what
> would be considered the usual tourist type photos. And I doubt these
> three young men are all civil engineers.
>
No charger?
Interesting. How would they be good for anything?
Still, unless the phones are hot, I don't see any crime they can be
charged with. Maybe they are cheap knockoffs.
"Pst! Hey man, you wanna buy a watch?"
:-)
John Mullen
John P. Mullen
Not entirely.
They might be able to get more for them by selling the parts separately.
"Here's your phone. Oh! You wanted a battery with that?"
Have you priced replacement parts lately?
John Mullen
Andrew Swallow
> Kurt Ullman wrote:
[snip]
>> This would sorta argue against the "we bought 'em to sell" scenario
>> that the lads were talking about earlier.
>
> Not entirely.
>
> They might be able to get more for them by selling the parts separately.
>
> "Here's your phone. Oh! You wanted a battery with that?"
They may not have been selling phones but batteries and chargers.
By themselves these items may sell for more than the total phone.
Andrew Swallow
John P. Mullen
You could be right.
I got one charger with my phone and bought another. At the Alltell
store, the charge would cost $30, but I got it for $5 at another store.
To tell you the truth, I can't tell them apart. I suspect 80% of the
price of a battery or charger is a matter of where you buy it.
This is really a bizarre story and it is pretty clear these guys are up
to something. You know, if you drop a cell phone, the battery may
explode. It doesn't happen often, but has happened a few times. Maybe
their plan was to put all the batteries in a box and drop them from a
height.
Not the cheapest way to make a bomb, though.
John Mullen
John P. Mullen
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:08:03 -0600, "John P. Mullen"
> <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>They might be able to get more for them by selling the parts separately.
>>
>>"Here's your phone. Oh! You wanted a battery with that?"
>>
>>Have you priced replacement parts lately?
>
>
> battery and the strap and threw away the rest having made
> more on the parts.
>
> I guess these guys knew their market. 20k is a substantial
> investment in stock.
Aint that funny?
We bought a calculator for our son last night. He needed a particular
one for Chemistry class. It is a pretty nice calculator and cost about
$10. We got into a discussion with the sales clerk over the batteries.
She checked it out. It would cost us $7 to replace them.
Go figure.
John Mullen
Vince
It cost me 12 dollars to have the battery replaced on my $13 timex watch.
Vince
John P. Mullen
That is if you can find the #%$&@ battery. Also, the local Target now
will only replace a battery in a watch if 1) you bought it at Target and
have a receipt and 2) they *currently* sell that same model.
:-)
I've got an old HP Scientific. I think it was a 15c, but the nameplate
fell off years ago. I still use it, reverse-postfix notation and all.
It costs me $8 to replace the batteries, but it is still going strong.
On a larger scale, The battery in my UPS died about a year ago, so I
priced a replacement. For $10 less I could get a brand new UPS from the
same manufacturer with a higher VAH rating.
And, they wonder why the landfills are filling up.
:-/
John Mullen
Owe Jessen
<jomu...@zianet.com> :
>
>We bought a calculator for our son last night. He needed a particular
>one for Chemistry class. It is a pretty nice calculator and cost about
>$10. We got into a discussion with the sales clerk over the batteries.
> She checked it out. It would cost us $7 to replace them.
>
>Go figure.
>
needed to replace any battery in about 15 years. :-)
Owe
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(c) Owe Jessen
D. Spencer Hines
If they can't find any other charges, the authorities should prosecute the
men on those charges and get a conviction in order to discourage other
potential liars in Wartime.
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
"Vince" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
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Charlie Wolf
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>These three men allegedly initially lied to Law Enforcement Officials.
>
>If they can't find any other charges, the authorities should prosecute the
>men on those charges and get a conviction in order to discourage other
>potential liars in Wartime.
That would clear half of the Halls of Congress.
Regards,
Doug McDonald
> Think Razor Blades.
that just proves you are old
NEW: think inkjet ink cartridges
Doug McDonald
Grey Satterfield
McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Isn't it the truth! When my circa 1987 HP LaserJet printer died a couple of
years ago, I held my nose and bought an Oki color laser printer so as to be
able to avoid the rapacious prices and scandalously short lives of inkjet
cartridges.
Grey Satterfield
None
wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:57:54 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
><pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Nobody needs 1000 phones for a terrorist attack.
>Arresting people for being in possession of innocent items is
>sheer paranoia and smacks of racial prejudice.
>I smell capitalism.
Ordinarily I might agree with you.
Not in this case.
Here I think you need to use your brain, not your nose...
:-)
Its true that nobody needs 1,000 cellphones for ONE terrorist attack.
TEN cellphones filled with plastic explosive, detonator, a receiver or
timer and a small battery for power would make a big bang if they all
went off at once, like in the cargo hold of a plane.
So 1000 cell phones would allow you to target 100 planes at once.
Security Guard at an airport sees ten "passengers" putting their
cellphones in their luggage - no problem, they're just complying with
those Brit Regulations - wishes there were more guys like them.
They check in their luggage and go off for a coffee. No one sees them
walking out of the airport - 10 guys walking OUT OF an airport...
They might even put the phones in before they enter the airport.
Cellphones already in luggage won't be scanned.
Flight takes off and it blows up [before it goes out of cellphone
range if the bombs are rigged to receive a signal] debris raining
down on the runway or an adjoining residential neighborhood.
Or they could go off at any time during the flight if timed.
No way to collect the debris if the bombs explode at high altitude
Equals no way to forensically examine the remains of the luggage.
Equals no way to prove who left in the luggage.
All airport security could do is try to match the videos of people
leaving in luggage with videos of people leaving the airport that day.
Assuming no gloves or disguises were used.
Assuming they didn't use a "clean room" approach to the bombs.
Assuming they actually did leave and were not "suiciders" <tm GWB> or
unknowing pawns of terrorists.
But let's face it, if 100 planes explode in the air together, that's
the end of flying as we know it.
- - None.
Peter Skelton
<s>
>Flight takes off and it blows up [before it goes out of cellphone
>range if the bombs are rigged to receive a signal] debris raining
>down on the runway or an adjoining residential neighborhood.
>
OFCS my cell wouldn't work in a plane back in the day when you
could walk on talking. Some old guy named Faraday came up with
the explanmation a century of so ago.
>Or they could go off at any time during the flight if timed.
>
Why would you use a cell phone for a timer when a $12 watch can
do the same thing and has less than a tenth the volume?
The protection is the mass of explosive needed and measures taken
to detect it. The explosive in luggage problem is a part they've
been working on.
Peter Skelton
Andrew Swallow
>
>> But let's face it, if 100 planes explode in the air together, that's
>> the end of flying as we know it.
>
> and much cheaper and less chance of getting caught.
Why cellphones? - Possibly because Al Qaeda knows how to make
timers out of cellphones. In Madrid one of the gang members
ran a mobile phone shop so they were easily available.
Why not something more efficient? - Possibly because most members
of Al Qaeda are not trained engineers.
Andrew Swallow
John P. Mullen
Around here, the low humidity is hard on ink jets. I had a Lexmark
which typically clogged up about half way through its highly expensive
cart rage. Also, to make copies, you had to turn the computer on and
had plenty of time to brew a pot of coffee between pushing the copy
button and getting a copy. I gave that one away.
I now have an Epson printer that has four ink cartrages, parks its
printer head to prevent it drying out and makes copies as fast as it can
print without me having to turn on my computer. Also, since the
cartrages are just ink bottles, they are so much cheaper than the Lexmark.
But what I really like is that the ink is waterproof. Really nice when
making prints.
John Mullen
John P. Mullen
Well, in the European airports I've been in, all luggage is scanned for
explosives, so I don't see how that would work.
John Mullen
Kurt Ullman
None <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
> Its true that nobody needs 1,000 cellphones for ONE terrorist attack.
>
> TEN cellphones filled with plastic explosive, detonator, a receiver or
> timer and a small battery for power would make a big bang if they all
> went off at once, like in the cargo hold of a plane.
>
> So 1000 cell phones would allow you to target 100 planes at once.
Or more like hit a few places, use some to commuicate and set up the
targets and actual sell some to finance the operation.
Vince
the big market for such cell phones are drug dealers. They buy a bunch
from a middle man and use each one once.
Vince
Kurt Ullman
Vince <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote:
You have been watching The Wire on HBO again. That was my first
thought on reading the article. I woulda immediately copped to buying
them for drug dealers, less jail time.
Vince
I've taught telecommunications law. It's a well known issue
Vince
La N
August 15, 2006
Jack Edwards
May 24, 1918 - August 13, 2006
Prisoner of war of the Japanese who devoted his life to
obtaining compensation for other Far East veterans and
victims
A PRISONER of war of the Japanese for three and a half
years, most of it spent in forced labour in a copper mine in
Taiwan, Jack Edwards devoted his life after his release to
trying to obtain compensation for former PoWs and their
widows - and an apology from the Japanese Government.
Edwards's book, Banzai You Bastards (1991), is a frank
memoir of his time at work in the copper mine at Kinkaseki
(Chinguashi), near Jiufen, Taiwan. The story it tells begins
with the British capitulation at Singapore, retails the
horrors of life in the copper mine and ends with the
survivors' liberation by American soldiers. "They picked us
up like babies," Edwards recalled. "I was picked up by a
giant of a man. He began to cry, saying 'Christ, the
bastards. What have they done to you?' "
A native of Wales, Jack Edwards was born in 1918. He served
with the Royal Corps of Signals during the war and was a
sergeant when he went into captivity at the surrender of
Singapore in February 1942. He spent some time in the
notorious Changi jail before being moved to Taiwan.
He worked in the mine as part of a team, digging upwards
into a copper seam in sulphur-polluted water and in constant
danger of cave-in. Jack Butterworth, who had been in Edwards's
unit and was sent with him to Kinkaseki, recalled: "You had
to bring out 24 bogeys of good copper ore per day for a
four-man team. If you didn't get that you were lined up and
beaten . . . You'd look at the rock at the beginning of the
day and decide whether to go for the 24 or not. Sometimes it
was better to get the beating."
Even by the grim standards of Japanese PoW camps, Kinkaseki
was extreme: 526 Allied soldiers were held there, of whom
only 64 survived to be liberated. Edwards himself came
closest to death with the end of the war in sight. One
night, listening to American aircraft bombing a nearby
target, the men in his barrack began to cheer. After the
bombing the guards took Edwards from the barrack, forced him
to kneel on stony ground and beat him with bamboo poles.
After this ordeal he was put in the "death hut", but he
recovered.
As the end of the war approached, the camp was evacuated and
the prisoners were marched into the jungle where they were
forced to build a new camp from scratch. In his memoir
Edwards recollected: "All of us looked ghastly, eyes sunken,
mere skeletons, covered with rashes, sores, or cuts which
would not heal. Others too far gone to save were blown-up
with beriberi, legs and testicles like balloons."
With defeat inevitable, Tokyo instructed its camp commanders
to dispose of all prisoners by whatever means seemed most
suitable. The guards at Edwards's camp had set the disposal
date of August 18, 1945. But on August 16, after two atomic
bombs, Japan surrendered. The survivors were taken by lorry
to Taipei, where their captors meekly turned themselves in
to US forces.
Edwards returned to Kinkaseki in 1946 to give evidence to a
war crimes tribunal. As with other Far East Prisoners of War
(Fepow) he had found on his return to Britain an active
discouragement from reminiscing about the horrors of his
period in captivity. And the San Francisco Peace Treaty of
1951 ordered Japan to pay a derisory £76 compensation to all
surviving PoWs, in return for which all future individual
claims were waived.
Edwards went to live in Hong Kong in 1963 and remained there
for the rest of his life. He worked first for the Hong Kong
Government as a housing officer at a time of mass
immigration from China, then as a senior housing manager for
Hongkong Land.
At the same time he tried to locate the whereabouts of the
remains of missing relatives for families in Britain and the
Commonwealth. At the request of Diana, Princess of Wales,
Edwards found the grave of Major-General Merton
Beckwith-Smith, the father of her lady-in-waiting.
It took Edwards 45 years to write Banzai You Bastards. He
was, he said, too traumatised and could not put his memories
down until he had returned to Taiwan to help to make a
documentary. The book remains a compelling document. At one
point, Edwards recounted, he and his starving comrades had
been saved by Marmite thrown away by the Japanese, who had
assumed that it was some sort of lubricating grease.
Two years after its publication in English Banzai You
Bastards appeared in Japanese as Kutabare Jap Yaroh! (1993,
Drop Dead, Jap!). It sparked huge interest in Japan, not
least because Edwards's first translator, the Japanese
journalist Shinji Nagino, was murdered in Montreal when only
a third of the way through his task.
In 1991, after constant campaigning, Edwards won a monthly
pension from the Government of HK$315 (less than £30) for
Chinese veterans, and their widows, who had helped the
British in the hopeless defence of Hong Kong in 1941. He
also achieved for them the grant of British citizenship on
the handover of sovereignty to China in 1997.
Edwards also spoke out for those in Hong Kong who had been
forced to sell their property and businesses to the Japanese
during the occupation in exchange for the worthless Japanese
military yen. And he helped former "comfort women" in their
quest to force Tokyo to admit that enforced prostitution was
a policy, not a side-effect, of its war in South-East Asia.
Edwards returned again to Kinkaseki in 2000 for the erection
of a memorial. By this time only ten veterans survived,
their journey facilitated by a grant of £10,000 from the
British Government. Their chief desire was still an apology
from the Japanese Government.
Edwards was chairman of the Royal British Legion's Hong Kong
and China branch, and never missed the annual Remembrance
Day services. On such occasions from his flat in Sha Ti, he
flew the very flag that Arthur Frederick May had hoisted
from The Peak after escaping from a PoW camp in Kowloon just
before the Japanese capitulation. May died in Hong Kong in
2000. Butterworth, Edwards's comrade at Kinkaseki, died that
year too, just before the inmates' reunion. The flag will
drape Edwards's coffin at his funeral.
Edwards was appointed MBE and advanced to OBE for his
services.
He is survived by his wife, Polly, whom he married in 1990.
Jack Edwards, OBE, author and campaigner for PoWs
Keith W
"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:05:27 +0100, None <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
> <s>
>>Flight takes off and it blows up [before it goes out of cellphone
>>range if the bombs are rigged to receive a signal] debris raining
>>down on the runway or an adjoining residential neighborhood.
>>
> OFCS my cell wouldn't work in a plane back in the day when you
> could walk on talking. Some old guy named Faraday came up with
> the explanmation a century of so ago.
>
Did he know that many modern aircraft use composite materials
instead of metal ?
Did he know that radio signals pass through plastic windows just fine ?
Do You ?
Since my satnav unit picks up a signal just fine on aircraft
I see no reason a cellphone shouldnt
Keith
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>
>"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>news:llk4e2d9bslgqr76r...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:05:27 +0100, None <no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>> <s>
>>>Flight takes off and it blows up [before it goes out of cellphone
>>>range if the bombs are rigged to receive a signal] debris raining
>>>down on the runway or an adjoining residential neighborhood.
>>>
>> OFCS my cell wouldn't work in a plane back in the day when you
>> could walk on talking. Some old guy named Faraday came up with
>> the explanmation a century of so ago.
>>
>
>Did he know that many modern aircraft use composite materials
>instead of metal ?
>
>Did he know that radio signals pass through plastic windows just fine ?
>
>Do You ?
>
>Since my satnav unit picks up a signal just fine on aircraft
>I see no reason a cellphone shouldnt
>
If you persist in your blind ignorance I shall taunt you.
Peter Skelton