Please explain Robbie Jackson's inconsistent biography
Sterling Hada
Greetings. Stephen Crosby of the Tom Clancy FAQ was kind enough to refer
me to this newsgroup in hopes of finding an answer to my question.
I've noticed that Clancy has two different childhoods for Ryan's friend,
Robbie Jackson. In one, CAPD, we're introduced to Jackson's half
brother, and told that the two of them grew up in Harlem. And yet, in
PG, we're told that Jackson grew up a "PK" -- a preacher's kid -- in
Alabama. Has anyone ever explained this seeming discrepancy, or this a
mistake in fact-checking on either Clancy's or Putnam's part?
TIA,
Sterling
kell...@hotmail.com
Probably for the same reason that Sandy Clark has two maiden names and Bob
Fowler was governor of two different states-a simple mistake on Tom's part.
Even he is human!
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Sterling Hada wrote in message <353C1352...@slip.net>...
>Greetings. Stephen Crosby of the Tom Clancy FAQ was kind enough to refer
>me to this newsgroup in hopes of finding an answer to my question.
>
>I've noticed that Clancy has two different childhoods for Ryan's friend,
>Robbie Jackson. In one, CAPD, we're introduced to Jackson's half
>brother, and told that the two of them grew up in Harlem. And yet, in
>PG, we're told that Jackson grew up a "PK" -- a preacher's kid -- in
>Alabama. Has anyone ever explained this seeming discrepancy, or this a
>mistake in fact-checking on either Clancy's or Putnam's part?
I think there is a town called Harlem, Alabama, as well as the NYC
variant....
Dave Powell
>TIA,
>Sterling
>
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>Greetings. Stephen Crosby of the Tom Clancy FAQ was kind enough to refer
>me to this newsgroup in hopes of finding an answer to my question.
>I've noticed that Clancy has two different childhoods for Ryan's friend,
>Robbie Jackson. In one, CAPD, we're introduced to Jackson's half
>brother, and told that the two of them grew up in Harlem. And yet, in
>PG, we're told that Jackson grew up a "PK" -- a preacher's kid -- in
>Alabama. Has anyone ever explained this seeming discrepancy, or this a
>mistake in fact-checking on either Clancy's or Putnam's part?
Not necessarily a discrepancy in what Clancy wrote; recall that Robbie is the
oldest of the children born of the first wife; Tim is much younger. They did
_not_ grow up together; therefore, it is entirely possible that one grew up in
Harlem and the other in Alabama. However, I wonder if you recall it correctly?
I would agree that PG mentions Alabama, to the best of my recollection.
(Without actually checking; my copy of CaPD is much closer than the copy of PG
<g>)
However, _my_ copy of CaPD does not mention Harlem. While not specific as to
the locale where they grew up, the state of Mississippi is inferred. In the
scene which takes place at the Monterrey O-club, Clancy writes: "Another
brother was a physician, and the fourth was a lawyer. Times had changed in
Mississippi."
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Gregory M. Stelmack
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:27:25 -0600, kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Probably for the same reason that Sandy Clark has two maiden names
What's the other one? She was Sandy O'Toole in "Without Remorse", but
that was her married name from her first husband who was killed in
Vietnam. I believe her maiden name was Burns. Now she's Sandy Clark.
What maiden name did she have other than Burns that I'm forgetting?
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Michael W. Ellis
>me to this newsgroup in hopes of finding an answer to my question.
>
>I've noticed that Clancy has two different childhoods for Ryan's friend,
>Robbie Jackson. In one, CAPD, we're introduced to Jackson's half
>brother, and told that the two of them grew up in Harlem. And yet, in
>PG, we're told that Jackson grew up a "PK" -- a preacher's kid -- in
>Alabama. Has anyone ever explained this seeming discrepancy, or this a
>mistake in fact-checking on either Clancy's or Putnam's part?
>
Welcome to the Jungle.
After reading your post yesterday, I skimmed through CaPD last night looking
for sections where either or both of the Jackson brothers were mentioned. I
could not find any references to Harlem, nor for any other hometown. IIRC,
Chavez came from the bad part of LA and was involved in gangs before
enlisting. Perhaps this is what you remembered. One of the earlier books
(HfRO seem right) mentions Robby growing up in Southern Alabama. Hosiah
Jackson was a preacher. Robby came from his first marriage. Robby's mom
died, Hosiah remarried, and Tim came from the second marriage.
Of course, I may have just missed the reference completely.
--
Michael Ellis
first initial last name at pesa dot you know what
kell...@hotmail.com
In one of the books (CaPD I believe), her maiden name was Manning. This was
brought up on this group about a year ago, and I wrote that Sandy Kelly had
one maiden name, and Sandy Clark had another one i.e the CIA gave her a
different maiden name when they "killed" Kelly and made Clark. TC himself
emailed me and admitted that he goofed.
In article <353de972...@news.redstorm.com>,
kell...@hotmail.com
Jason A. Atkinson
On Tue, 21 Apr 98 21:46:18 (MDT), "Wiz" <lo...@my.sig> wrote:
>
>However, _my_ copy of CaPD does not mention Harlem. While not specific as to
>the locale where they grew up, the state of Mississippi is inferred. In the
>scene which takes place at the Monterrey O-club, Clancy writes: "Another
>brother was a physician, and the fourth was a lawyer. Times had changed in
>Mississippi."
They probably moved, and lived in both Alabama and Mississippi. Maybe
Mississippi is the last place the family lived (at least before the
kids left), and where the physician and the lawyer live.
cl...@inetex.com
Was Sandy ever Sandy Kelly? They didn't get together/married
until after he "died", right? Of course, I'm assuming that the CIA named
him Clark as soon as Kelly was "dead". Wouldn't she just have been
Sandy Clark? Am I remembering this wrong?
Laura
kell...@hotmail.com wrote in article <6hlo7o$k5q$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
loki
The Predator wrote:
> Nope you don't have it wrong. There is a line in WR about even the
> condemned get a last request or was it phone call..
> JT Kelly died that day and John Clark was born....
> Makes you wonder.. If there really is a "John Clark" in the world, and how
> TC
> met him? I saw a guy on either The Learning Channel, or Discovery one night
> and the caption under him said he was CIA Operations retired. Big older guy.
> Had a certain look. From TC description, of JC, he might have been the
> example for him.
Uh, I suspect that if there is a real life model for John Kelly/Clark
you won't be seeing him on television. I seriously doubt anyone would
admit he was the model either (assuming a real model existed).
Now, if there's a real model for Sandy, that's who I'd like to meet. I
still want to know how any woman could deal with that. Geesh.
Loki - who would be too scared of Clark to get involved anyway, crush or
no crush...
The Predator
cl...@inetex.com wrote in message <01bd6f52$1052b8a0$a6b5efcc@default>...
Nope you don't have it wrong. There is a line in WR about even the
condemned get a last request or was it phone call..
JT Kelly died that day and John Clark was born....
Makes you wonder.. If there really is a "John Clark" in the world, and how
TC
met him? I saw a guy on either The Learning Channel, or Discovery one night
and the caption under him said he was CIA Operations retired. Big older guy.
Had a certain look. From TC description, of JC, he might have been the
example for him.
The Predator
Out hunting... The most dangerous game.
kell...@hotmail.com
OOPS! You're right, now I goofed. What I meant to say was this: Sandy had two
maiden names-Sandy Manning in one book, and Sandy Burns in several others.
Then she got married and her name became O'Toole. Then he died, and she
married Clark. This was brought up about a year ago, and I wrote that when
the CIA "killed" Kelly, they also gave Sandy a new background including a new
maiden name. I thought this made sense because if you think about it, Sandy
is a pretty big link between Kelly and Clark. TC himself wrote that this
wasn't so-he goofed.
In article <01bd6f52$1052b8a0$a6b5efcc@default>,
<cl...@inetex.com> wrote:
>
> Was Sandy ever Sandy Kelly? They didn't get together/married
> until after he "died", right? Of course, I'm assuming that the CIA named
> him Clark as soon as Kelly was "dead". Wouldn't she just have been
> Sandy Clark? Am I remembering this wrong?
>
> Laura
>
> kell...@hotmail.com wrote in article <6hlo7o$k5q$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > In one of the books (CaPD I believe), her maiden name was Manning. This
> was
> > brought up on this group about a year ago, and I wrote that Sandy Kelly
> had
> > one maiden name, and Sandy Clark had another one i.e the CIA gave her a
> > different maiden name when they "killed" Kelly and made Clark. TC himself
> > emailed me and admitted that he goofed.
> >
>
>
loki
kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
> OOPS! You're right, now I goofed. What I meant to say was this: Sandy had two
> maiden names-Sandy Manning in one book, and Sandy Burns in several others.
> Then she got married and her name became O'Toole. Then he died, and she
> married Clark. This was brought up about a year ago, and I wrote that when
> the CIA "killed" Kelly, they also gave Sandy a new background including a new
> maiden name. I thought this made sense because if you think about it, Sandy
> is a pretty big link between Kelly and Clark. TC himself wrote that this
> wasn't so-he goofed.
Oh, I don't think it would have been that big a deal. After all, they
didn't need to hide Kelly so well that it could never be discovered.
They just needed to make it harder to figure out. No one was out to
kill him. If he died, no one was going to question it and keep on
looking.
Besides, no one knew of her involvement with him anyway. Well, darned
few and they could be trusted.
I think details would have been missed. I also wonder what they told
their daughters. One of them getting curious about the family tree
could undo the whole thing. Again, I'm not sure just how critical it
would be.
Loki
Jason A. Atkinson
On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:19:55 -0500, loki <lo...@inlink.com> wrote:
>I think details would have been missed. I also wonder what they told
>their daughters. One of them getting curious about the family tree
>could undo the whole thing. Again, I'm not sure just how critical it
>would be.
>
I suppose teachers in that neighborhood know better then to assign
projects about what their parents' jobs are, but what if one of the
kids has to do a project on his ancestry?
kell...@hotmail.com
Good points, Loki. When I read that Sandy's maiden name was Burns, I thought
to myself,"Hmmm, I thought it was Manning." (For some reason, this little
tidbit of info stayed in my memory.) I then tried to justify the difference
with my theory about the CIA giving her a new background and new maiden name.
Then, when TC wrote on the subject that it was a mistake on his part, I just
decided to stop being so anal and enjoy the story anyway.
In article <3541FF1B...@inlink.com>,
lo...@inlink.com wrote:
>
> kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > OOPS! You're right, now I goofed. What I meant to say was this: Sandy had
two
> > maiden names-Sandy Manning in one book, and Sandy Burns in several others.
> > Then she got married and her name became O'Toole. Then he died, and she
> > married Clark. This was brought up about a year ago, and I wrote that when
> > the CIA "killed" Kelly, they also gave Sandy a new background including a
new
> > maiden name. I thought this made sense because if you think about it,
Sandy
> > is a pretty big link between Kelly and Clark. TC himself wrote that this
> > wasn't so-he goofed.
>
> Oh, I don't think it would have been that big a deal. After all, they
> didn't need to hide Kelly so well that it could never be discovered.
> They just needed to make it harder to figure out. No one was out to
> kill him. If he died, no one was going to question it and keep on
> looking.
>
> Besides, no one knew of her involvement with him anyway. Well, darned
> few and they could be trusted.
>
> I think details would have been missed. I also wonder what they told
> their daughters. One of them getting curious about the family tree
> could undo the whole thing. Again, I'm not sure just how critical it
> would be.
>
> Loki
The Predator
Jason A. Atkinson wrote in message <3541fe7b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>>their daughters. One of them getting curious about the family tree
>>could undo the whole thing. Again, I'm not sure just how critical it
>>would be.
>>
>
>
>projects about what their parents' jobs are, but what if one of the
>kids has to do a project on his ancestry?
Easy. Grandpa was a fireman who died in the line of duty. Grandma
had died before that. Since they never knew them, they would assume
that their name was Clark. Besides, Sandy's might be around. (Don't
think it was ever mentioned anywhere though...)
The Predator.
Out hunting.... The most dangerous game.
George D. Morgan
On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:59:55 -0600, kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I just
>decided to stop being so anal and enjoy the story anyway.
>
Mr. Keller:
Sounds like a good idea to me.
George D. Morgan
gund...@evansville.net
Dave Powell
The Predator wrote in message ...
>condemned get a last request or was it phone call..
>JT Kelly died that day and John Clark was born....
>
>Makes you wonder.. If there really is a "John Clark" in the world, and how
>TC
>met him? I saw a guy on either The Learning Channel, or Discovery one night
>and the caption under him said he was CIA Operations retired. Big older
guy.
>Had a certain look. From TC description, of JC, he might have been the
>example for him.
It might be a suspicion, that if Jack Ryan is the "Man in the Light"
alter-ego, the man in shining armor.. and Clark has more of the dark side in
him, the anger, the things Ryan keeps bottled up.. remember the end of
Patriot Games, when Ryan didn't fire? Clark did. In that is the difference.
Dave Powell
kell...@hotmail.com
I always got the impression that Ryan and Clark were two sides of the same
coin. Both are Irish Catholic, same height, black hair, blue eyes, heavy
beards, etc. Both have very high I.Q.s. Clark is better built because of his
work, but Ryan would be "buff" if he followed a Clarkesque workout routine.
If things had worked out differently, Ryan would have been the Navy SEAL-
turned-CIA officer, while Clark would be the CIA analyst with the PhD.
In article <#Xm0x7Rc9GA.227@uppubnews03>,
loki
Dave Powell wrote:
> It might be a suspicion, that if Jack Ryan is the "Man in the Light"
> alter-ego, the man in shining armor.. and Clark has more of the dark side in
> him, the anger, the things Ryan keeps bottled up.. remember the end of
> Patriot Games, when Ryan didn't fire? Clark did. In that is the difference.
You may have something there. It would also explain why Jack Ryan is so
damnedly boring to me. He's just tooooo goody goody. I think Clark is
more real.
Loki
Daniel Khaykis
On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, The Predator wrote:
> Makes you wonder.. If there really is a "John Clark" in the world, and how TC
> met him? I saw a guy on either The Learning Channel, or Discovery one night
> and the caption under him said he was CIA Operations retired. Big older guy.
> Had a certain look. From TC description, of JC, he might have been the
> example for him.
Knowing what is known about TC:
a) Possibly he knows someone like that.
b) If he does, there's no chance in hell he will reveal any details.
We have government for generating leaks. ;)
-Dan.
=============================================================================
Daniel Khaykis | It's better to burn out than to fade away.
kha...@quack.cims.nyu.edu | ______ "The Highlander" ______
http://vision.cs.qc.edu/daniel/ | /________________________\
The Predator
loki wrote in message <35435384...@inlink.com>...
Clark is the man who does what must be done. Period. He doesn't always
like it, but he does it. He is bothered little in fighting wars for his
country
and like most American's, when the cause is just, he will do whatever to
win.
loki
The Predator wrote:
> True, but I think in all the books, TC does a good job of explaining why.
> Clark is the man who does what must be done. Period. He doesn't always
> like it, but he does it. He is bothered little in fighting wars for his
> country
> and like most American's, when the cause is just, he will do whatever to
> win.
I dunno. I think Clark more closely approximates the old "warrior
caste" from ancient societies. There are rules and there are some
things he won't do other things he will. You are right that he doesn't
have to like it to do it.
As a friend of mine once said, there are some folks in the world who
should be shot.
Loki
Jason A. Atkinson
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:45:21 -0600, kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
>I always got the impression that Ryan and Clark were two sides of the same
>coin. Both are Irish Catholic, same height, black hair, blue eyes, heavy
>beards, etc.
What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
beard for disguise.
loki
Arrrgh. Men. Hmpf.
It means that even though they do shave every day there is a "shadow"
that can been seen anyway.
Any woman would know what they're talking about. Besides, a few hours
after they've shaved the stubble starts. Kissing someone with a beard
like that *hurts*.
Loki
kell...@hotmail.com
I meant they have heavy 5:00 shadow-this was mentioned about both Ryan and
Clark in several books. Sheese, some of you guys (and gals) here are tough.
In article <354895ae...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Jatk...@nospam.ix.netcom.com (Jason A. Atkinson) wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:45:21 -0600, kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >I always got the impression that Ryan and Clark were two sides of the same
> >coin. Both are Irish Catholic, same height, black hair, blue eyes, heavy
> >beards, etc.
>
> What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
> beard for disguise.
>
Daniel Khaykis
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Jason A. Atkinson wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:45:21 -0600, kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >I always got the impression that Ryan and Clark were two sides of the same
> >coin. Both are Irish Catholic, same height, black hair, blue eyes, heavy
> >beards, etc.
>
> What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
> beard for disguise.
Re-read the beginning of PG.
It has Ryan's description of himself, beard included, IIRC.
Ogden Johnson III
loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
: Jason A. Atkinson wrote:
: > What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
: > beard for disguise.
:
: Arrrgh. Men. Hmpf.
:
: It means that even though they do shave every day there is a "shadow"
: that can been seen anyway.
Loki, I suspect Jason is not much older than his brother John, which would
mean he's only a tad further removed from the beardless, callow youth
stage. Jason, think Nixon - he had a heavy beard. Some say it cost him
the presidency against JFK. [Others say Daley did it <g>]
OJ III
loki
Ogden Johnson III wrote:
> Loki, I suspect Jason is not much older than his brother John, which would
> mean he's only a tad further removed from the beardless, callow youth
> stage. Jason, think Nixon - he had a heavy beard. Some say it cost him
> the presidency against JFK. [Others say Daley did it <g>]
<sigh> You're right of course. I keep forgetting that a woman sees
these things a bit differently. I was aware of the beard thing as a
child as my father had a beard like that. So did my grandfather.
Yep, he fits the description too. Tall, dark hair (well his eyes are
green) and fair skin typical Irish Catholic. <laugh>
Loki
kell...@hotmail.com
Speaking of which, isn't it kind of sad that so many American voters are
willing to vote against a Presidential candidate just because he has facial
hair? The last President to have any was TR almost 100 years ago, IIRC.
In article <6i2bfm$bfd$2...@newsreader.digex.net>#1/1,
o...@cpcug.org (Ogden Johnson III) wrote:
>
> loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
>
> : Jason A. Atkinson wrote:
>
> : > What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
> : > beard for disguise.
> :
> : Arrrgh. Men. Hmpf.
> :
> : It means that even though they do shave every day there is a "shadow"
> : that can been seen anyway.
>
> Loki, I suspect Jason is not much older than his brother John, which would
> mean he's only a tad further removed from the beardless, callow youth
> stage. Jason, think Nixon - he had a heavy beard. Some say it cost him
> the presidency against JFK. [Others say Daley did it <g>]
>
> OJ III
Ogden Johnson III
loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
: <sigh> You're right of course. I keep forgetting that a woman sees
: these things a bit differently. I was aware of the beard thing as a
: child as my father had a beard like that. So did my grandfather.
Believe me, I know how women see these thing, because I inherited *my*
father's & grandfather's heavy beards [and, I'm finding out, their late
life hair loss also, but that's another story]. In my young adulthood, I
learned I had to shave up to three times a day [morning, noon when I went
home for ... ... ... lunch, and evening if we were going out or ... ...
...]. The penalty for my *not* shaving often enough was ... ... ...
undesirable.
OJ III
D.C.KOH
Ogden Johnson III wrote:
>
> Believe me, I know how women see these thing, because I inherited *my*
> father's & grandfather's heavy beards [and, I'm finding out, their late
> life hair loss also, but that's another story]. In my young adulthood, I
> learned I had to shave up to three times a day [morning, noon when I went
> home for ... ... ... lunch, and evening if we were going out or ... ...
> ...]. The penalty for my *not* shaving often enough was ... ... ...
> undesirable.
>
the night...
BTW, in the USMC are marines allowed to grow a 'stache?
Over here, a Royal is allowed to grow that (only), but a Jolly is
allowed to grow a full set ('stache and beard) only, no half-jobs.
Dan
Ogden Johnson III
D.C.KOH (RA6...@QMWCC7.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
: BTW, in the USMC are marines allowed to grow a 'stache?
: Over here, a Royal is allowed to grow that (only), but a Jolly is
: allowed to grow a full set ('stache and beard) only, no half-jobs.
It has varied over the years. In '61 when I enlisted, it required
command permission, and your ID photo had to show it. In 2dMarDiv when I
was there on my short stint as a grunt, the only one I ever saw with one
was the Div SgtMaj, who was 90 years older than God and wore an absolutely
magnificent set of meticulously groomed, waxed, and curled handlebars.
During that period, when you were on a six month float, growing mustaches
with or without beards was commonly done but that was the only exception
to the rule.
By the late 60s, mustaches were personal option, but to specification
[neatly trimmed with no hairs exceeding whatever, not to extend beyond the
corners of the mouth, etc., etc., etc.]. Other than floats described
above, we didn't join with the Navy in the Beard mania of the 70s.
This continues, but at various times, the Marines' culture seems
to waver between encouraging and discouraging. I don't mean official,
from the top. The Marines themselves seem to change as to which is
cooler, as it were; to mustache or not to mustache.
OJ III
D.C.KOH
Ogden Johnson III wrote:
>
> It has varied over the years. In '61 when I enlisted, it required
> command permission, and your ID photo had to show it. In 2dMarDiv when I
> was there on my short stint as a grunt, the only one I ever saw with one
> was the Div SgtMaj, who was 90 years older than God and wore an absolutely
> magnificent set of meticulously groomed, waxed, and curled handlebars.
>
Lemme guess. From the South and a Cavalry family background?
<snipped>
> This continues, but at various times, the Marines' culture seems
> to waver between encouraging and discouraging. I don't mean official,
> from the top. The Marines themselves seem to change as to which is
> cooler, as it were; to mustache or not to mustache.
>
So it's a fad thing then?
Dan
Ogden Johnson III
D.C.KOH (RA6...@QMWCC7.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
: Ogden Johnson III wrote:
: > command permission, and your ID photo had to show it. In 2dMarDiv when I
: > was there on my short stint as a grunt, the only one I ever saw with one
: > was the Div SgtMaj, who was 90 years older than God and wore an absolutely
: > magnificent set of meticulously groomed, waxed, and curled handlebars.
: Lemme guess. From the South and a Cavalry family background?
Probably, but I don't know. The only reason I ever saw him was that
2dPioneerBn [us] shared a messhall with HdqtrsBn [them and Him]. If a
SgtMaj notices a private, said private best kiss his *** goodbye, because
the private is in deep kimchee. Needless to say, I was a private at the
time, trying my best to stay out of the sight and consciousness of
everyone above the rank of Corporal.
: > from the top. The Marines themselves seem to change as to which is
: > cooler, as it were; to mustache or not to mustache.
: So it's a fad thing then?
As close to a fad as anything in the Corps gets, I guess. It's awfully
hard to mark out a 'look' when everyone around you has the same woodland
camo utilities, the same 'high and tight white sidewall' haircut, the same
... well, you get the idea.
OJ III
Quentin Stephens
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:00:42 -0500, loki wrote:
:>Jason A. Atkinson wrote:
:>
:>> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:45:21 -0600, kell...@hotmail.com wrote:
:>>
:>> >I always got the impression that Ryan and Clark were two sides of the same
:>> >coin. Both are Irish Catholic, same height, black hair, blue eyes, heavy
:>> >beards, etc.
:>
:>> What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
:>> beard for disguise.
:>
:>Arrrgh. Men. Hmpf.
:>
:>It means that even though they do shave every day there is a "shadow"
:>that can been seen anyway.
:>
:>Any woman would know what they're talking about. Besides, a few hours
:>after they've shaved the stubble starts. Kissing someone with a beard
:>like that *hurts*.
Men are supposed to have beards, so why deny it? And as you say,
stubble isn't exactly comfortable, so why not let it grow to the
point where it becomes nice and soft?
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loki
Quentin Stephens wrote:
> Men are supposed to have beards, so why deny it? And as you say,
> stubble isn't exactly comfortable, so why not let it grow to the
> point where it becomes nice and soft?
Fine by me. I happen to like beards. <smile>
Loki
Daniel Khaykis
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Quentin Stephens wrote:
> :>> What heavy beards? Both are clean shaven, except when Clark has a
> :>> beard for disguise.
As I already stated in some post, in the beginning of PG Ryan mentions his
own beard (when he's in British hostpital)
> :>It means that even though they do shave every day there is a "shadow"
> :>that can been seen anyway.
> :>
> :>Any woman would know what they're talking about. Besides, a few hours
> :>after they've shaved the stubble starts. Kissing someone with a beard
> :>like that *hurts*.
>
> Men are supposed to have beards, so why deny it? And as you say,
> stubble isn't exactly comfortable, so why not let it grow to the
> point where it becomes nice and soft?
Ya still have to waste time to make it look ok, whether you have a beard or
not. The only optimal solution is a-la Stallone in Rocky 4 (where he was in
Siberia and apparently forgot to shave for like 2 weeks ;)
-Daniel (who likes hes beard the way it is, thank you... at least while 100+
degree weather is far away in NY ;)