John Clark / Tom Selleck
Brad King
this Newsgroup and reading through some past threads and
stumbled upon the thread of "Tommy Lee would make a better
John Clark". It amazed me to see that TC had envisioned JC
would be Tom Selleck. The irony is that I had always
envisioned Mr. Clark as the same type/look of person as well.
Must be from my throwback days of being a huge Magnum PI fan.
And what is even funnier is that when reading "Without Remorse"
(which by the way I think is one of the best Novels I have ever
had the pleasure of reading). I envisioned Rick as the same Rick
from Magnum PI. Although I guess was not very appropriate with
that case of DCS Mr. Clark imposed upon Rick.
I wonder in the newly introduced Ryanverse Jr. novels if a new
John Clark will surface. Or do the twins fill the role in tandem ?
Looking forward to the sequels. TTotT kinda left me wanting more !!
But I am sure that was the idea.
Keep up the good work Mr. Clancy !!
B. King
Jeff the Bear
>
>I have always been a huge Tom Clancy Fan. I recently found
>this Newsgroup and reading through some past threads and
>stumbled upon the thread of "Tommy Lee would make a better
>John Clark". It amazed me to see that TC had envisioned JC
>would be Tom Selleck. The irony is that I had always
>envisioned Mr. Clark as the same type/look of person as well.
After watching the A&E movie "Ike(Eisenhower?):Countdown to D-day" I have to
agree with the thought of Tom Selleck as John Clark. He showed in that movie he
is far more then just Magnum or a cowboy actor. I wasn't impressed with other
roles beyond Magnum or cowboys he has done, but I was impressed with how he
became Ike in that movie.
I'd do what the voices in my head tell me, but they don't speak my language.
Brad King
> After watching the A&E movie "Ike(Eisenhower?):Countdown to D-day" I have to
> agree with the thought of Tom Selleck as John Clark. He showed in that movie he
> is far more then just Magnum or a cowboy actor. I wasn't impressed with other
> roles beyond Magnum or cowboys he has done, but I was impressed with how he
> became Ike in that movie.
I was thinking the same thing .. what an incredible performance
that was. He would make a good Dirk Pitt as well. Hey there is
a tantalizing thought. Dirk Pitt / John Clark .. the CIA enlists
NUMA for help on a job !!
charles krin
<n...@kingtechsolutions.com> wrote:
>this Newsgroup and reading through some past threads and
>stumbled upon the thread of "Tommy Lee would make a better
>John Clark". It amazed me to see that TC had envisioned JC
>would be Tom Selleck. The irony is that I had always
>envisioned Mr. Clark as the same type/look of person as well.
what was just as interesting was how Mr. Selleck managed to pull off
Ike in the recent movie about D Day...
ck
--
country doc in louisiana
(no fancy sayings right now)
Jeff the Bear
>what was just as interesting was how Mr. Selleck managed to pull off
>Ike in the recent movie about D Day...
I know what you mean. He didn't actually look exactly like him, but he got the
essence of what Ike was with just minor adjustments to his look. If you can
call shaving his mustache and close cropping his hair minor adjustments to his
look. And he proved he can actually act, not just play a stock acting role.
TekTeam26
hope that Without Remorse makes it to the silver screen and that Tom Clancy
insists on Tom Selleck playing Mr. Clark. He would certainly be a far better
choice than Willem Dafoe was.
Jerry Hall
Paul J. Adam
King <n...@kingtechsolutions.com> writes
>I have always been a huge Tom Clancy Fan. I recently found
>this Newsgroup
In that case, tradition demands this -
"Welcome to the Jungle!"[TM]
>and reading through some past threads and
>stumbled upon the thread of "Tommy Lee would make a better
>John Clark". It amazed me to see that TC had envisioned JC
>would be Tom Selleck. The irony is that I had always
>envisioned Mr. Clark as the same type/look of person as well.
This is always an issue for anyone who read a book, liked it and then
saw the movie. I most recently had it with the casting for "Troy" :) (I
may be in a minority, but I *liked* Brad Pitt's Achilles - selfish,
self-obsessed, driven by pride and ennui)
I wonder if Mr Clancy gets it better, or worse, as the *creator* of the
character (and thus the supreme arbiter of their looks, opinions, dress
sense, mindset) than the readership.
(Personally, I feel that Clark would not look like I expected... based
on a small sample of similar gentlemen I've been lucky enough to know)
--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2
Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk
charles krin
<ne...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>This is always an issue for anyone who read a book, liked it and then
>saw the movie. I most recently had it with the casting for "Troy" :) (I
>may be in a minority, but I *liked* Brad Pitt's Achilles - selfish,
>self-obsessed, driven by pride and ennui)
I agree...the casting and players for the major parts of Troy worked
out well...even if they managed to condense 10 years of fighting into
what, three weeks of 'screen time'...
Paul J. Adam
<ck...@bayou.com> writes
>On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:36:36 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
><ne...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>This is always an issue for anyone who read a book, liked it and then
>>saw the movie. I most recently had it with the casting for "Troy" :) (I
>>may be in a minority, but I *liked* Brad Pitt's Achilles - selfish,
>>self-obsessed, driven by pride and ennui)
>
>I agree...the casting and players for the major parts of Troy worked
>out well...even if they managed to condense 10 years of fighting into
>what, three weeks of 'screen time'...
It's Hollywood. They did a decent job of sticking to the original work,
did some *excellent* battle scenes, traded precise accuracy for pace,
and maybe some folks will go read the Iliad or at least a summary
thereof because they liked the movie.
Personally, I enjoyed the film even if I knew the ending (though they
changed some details for pace and I still had to pay attention)
Now, have they set Sean Bean up for "Troy II - The Odyssey (Return to
Ithaca)"? That could be worth a look :)
Grey Satterfield
I haven't seen "Ike" yet, although I plan to watch it tomorrow. I thought
that the casting of Selleck was inspired because he, like Ike, is a
handsome, athletic, charm-boy. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie.
Grey Satterfield
David E. Powell
news:20040604142450...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> >From: charles krin
>
> >what was just as interesting was how Mr. Selleck managed to pull off
> >Ike in the recent movie about D Day...
>
> I know what you mean. He didn't actually look exactly like him, but he got
the
> essence of what Ike was with just minor adjustments to his look. If you
can
> call shaving his mustache and close cropping his hair minor adjustments to
his
> look. And he proved he can actually act, not just play a stock acting
role.
Agreed, he was excellent. Especially playing a very introspective character,
he carried that part very well, just in how he carried himself and his
expressions, even when he wasn't doing dialogue. The scene where the staff
is watching a movie and having fun while Ike worries about what he is about
to do was well done, and I liked how they portrayed his dealings with the
other people involved. (De Gaulle, Montgomery, The King and Queen of
England, Churchill, Bradley, etc.)
A lot of times, Hollywood will protray a person meeting such people as the
hero, and have them deal with them like anyone else, pretty straight. The
film makes clear that Ike knows exactly who these people are, and when you
understand that you understand the care he had to take in dealing with them
and knowing when to push for what he knew he needed them to do. The casting
for Monty and De Gaulle, by the way, I noticed to be especially inspired.
Not a bad performance in the bunch.
David E. Powell
news:elmop-B732AE....@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <pan.2004.06.04....@kingtechsolutions.com>,
> Brad King <n...@kingtechsolutions.com> wrote:
>
> > I have always been a huge Tom Clancy Fan. I recently found
> > this Newsgroup and reading through some past threads and
> > stumbled upon the thread of "Tommy Lee would make a better
> > John Clark". It amazed me to see that TC had envisioned JC
> > would be Tom Selleck. The irony is that I had always
> > envisioned Mr. Clark as the same type/look of person as well.
> >
> > Must be from my throwback days of being a huge Magnum PI fan.
>
Some great shows....
One of my all time favorites was when he was stuck treading water at sea
after his kayak capsized, and ends up talking for hours to a shark that is
circling him. They were not afraid to take risks on that show, and had some
phemomenal writing.
(Another reason Clancy might like the show is that the biggest guy on it was
named "TC.")
Captain Red Beard®
say something profound, but ended up saying:
> I wonder in the newly introduced Ryanverse Jr. novels if a new
> John Clark will surface. Or do the twins fill the role in tandem ?
Not to say there needs to be a formula, but an older wiser operational guy
would be cool. Have something damn near fatal and disasterous occur, bring
in the old guy to bring the twins and J Jr back to center. Eh, but it's
TC's book. Remember, by this point Ding is the old operational guy.
Kurt Ullman
<Capt_Re...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Not to say there needs to be a formula, but an older wiser operational guy
>would be cool. Have something damn near fatal and disasterous occur, bring
>in the old guy to bring the twins and J Jr back to center. Eh, but it's
>TC's book. Remember, by this point Ding is the old operational guy.
My sentiment's exactly. I think Mr. C is getting a little long in the
tooth to be field and the operational guy in this case should be someone with
street cred yet still young enough to get out and play with young snots if
needed.
--
"A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition,
and art into pedantry. Hence University education."
George Bernard Shaw
John Neiberger
Willem Dafoe was an absolutely hideous choice for Clark, but then that
whole movie was one big hideous choice.
John
John Neiberger
Oh, I meant to mention that I have a very different idea for Clark. The
closest I can come to off the top of my head is Ed Harris, but that's
not quite right.
John
John Neiberger
> Oh, I meant to mention that I have a very different idea for Clark. The
> closest I can come to off the top of my head is Ed Harris, but that's
> not quite right.
>
> John
Hmm...interesting. How about this guy? Terence L. Spector.
http://www.apcasting.com/resume.cfm?acctnumber=100102
Relatively unknown, but imagine him with a more military look. Then,
scroll to the bottom of the page and look at his list of special skills.
He might be a good choice to fulfill my vision of John Clark. Still not
quite there, though.
John
Fred J. McCall
:Oh, I meant to mention that I have a very different idea for Clark. The
:closest I can come to off the top of my head is Ed Harris, but that's
:not quite right.
It's pretty damned close if you look at him as the Marine general in
'The Rock' (minus the hysteria as things break down which that role
required).
--
"This is a war of the unknown warriors; but let all strive
without failing in faith or in duty...."
-- Winston Churchill
Vincenzo Beretta
CAPD movie. The character should be written in a different way, to be more
faithful with the spirit of the books, but, to me, Dafoe was just physically
right.
charles krin
I suspect that there might be another connection...Selleck plays the
cowboy type to the T...and Ike was raised in Abilene KS...and then
spent a fair chunk of his early career wandering across the south
west.. (the quarters that Lt and Mrs Eisenhower shared at Ft Sam
Houston are still in use (or were the last time I was down there) and
are a national landmark.
Howard Berkowitz
<neiby@NO_SPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
I'm still dealing with the mixture of skills -- fast draw of a flute
under his black belt?
Fred J. McCall
:I'm still dealing with the mixture of skills -- fast draw of a flute
:under his black belt?
That's not a flute....
Grey Satterfield
"charles krin" <ck...@bayou.com> wrote:
I liked "Ike" -- sorry, couldn't resist that. I watched the movie yesterday
and thought that it was extremely well done. I was put off by the fact that
Selleck spent at least 98.5% of his on-screen time smoking cigarettes but
that is a quibble. Selleck brought to the role the power and the charm that
it needed. Timothy Bottoms as General Walter Bedell-Smith, Eisenhower's
chief of staff was excellent, too. Highly recommended.
Grey Satterfield
Kurt Ullman
<grey.sat...@oscn.net> wrote:
>and thought that it was extremely well done. I was put off by the fact that
>Selleck spent at least 98.5% of his on-screen time smoking cigarettes but
>that is a quibble.
That bothered me, too. I was worried that I was becoming too PC (grin).
Klaus Winkler
wrote:
>I hope that Without Remorse makes it to the silver screen and that Tom Clancy
>insists on Tom Selleck playing Mr. Clark.
I hope not. Tom Selleck is almost 60, kinda old to play the Kelly of
WR. I guess that is not what TC had in mind when he suggested Selleck.
--
Gruß/Regards
Klaus Winkler
Who's General Failure & why's he reading my disk?
Ogden Johnson III
has been resurrected, along with the eternal Willem Dafoe sucked
as Clark bashing mandatory in any proper "Who should play Clark"
thread. Ergo, I'm forced in to posting my eternal Willem Dafoe
defense, in spite of my "Bye Y'all. Consider this a drive by
rant. ;->]
John Neiberger <neiby@NO_SPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>TekTeam26 wrote:
>> I have ALWAYS thought that Tom Selleck would make an excellent John Clark. I
>> hope that Without Remorse makes it to the silver screen and that Tom Clancy
>> insists on Tom Selleck playing Mr. Clark. He would certainly be a far better
>> choice than Willem Dafoe was.
>Willem Dafoe was an absolutely hideous choice for Clark, but then that
>whole movie was one big hideous choice.
If the screenwriter had written, and the director directed, the
part as the John Clark we, as readers, had grown to know and like
in the Ryanverse novels, Willem Dafoe would have played the John
Clark we, as readers, had grown to know and like in the Ryanverse
novels, and we would be quite happy with the job he had done. He
is an excellent actor, as shown by his outstanding portrayal of
Clark as a sleazy, cynical, verging on alcoholic mercenary, just
as the screen writer had written, and the director had directed,
the part.
Do not blame the actor for an ill-written/directed part in an
ill-written/directed movie, loosely, very loosely, based on a
novel.
Drive-by rant over. I'll put a watch on this thread to catch the
s[tuff] that's thrown my way.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo address is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
John Neiberger
> ill-written/directed movie, loosely, very loosely, based on a
> novel.
You're probably correct. Had Clark's part not been thoroughly hosed over
by the dipwad screenwriters we may have enjoyed Dafoe's portrayal.
Perhaps I dislike him in that part because he did such a good job at
portraying the *wrong* Clark! It's not his fault, so I suppose the blame
should go to where it belongs--the director and script writers. They
should be flogged.
John
Ogden Johnson III
Clark"/"Willem Dafoe Sucks as Clark" threads anyway, I have to
comment on the Selleck/Ike movie too.]
Grey Satterfield <grey.sat...@oscn.net> wrote:
[First let me echo those who thought Selleck did an excellent job
as Ike in the A&E movie; <AOL> meeee toooo </AOL>
>I liked "Ike" -- sorry, couldn't resist that. I watched the movie yesterday
>and thought that it was extremely well done. I was put off by the fact that
>Selleck spent at least 98.5% of his on-screen time smoking cigarettes but
>that is a quibble. Selleck brought to the role the power and the charm that
>it needed. Timothy Bottoms as General Walter Bedell-Smith, Eisenhower's
>chief of staff was excellent, too. Highly recommended.
And an unjustified quibble, IMHO. It was as least /as accurate/,
if not /more accurate/ than any other aspect of that movie. Ike,
before, during, and after WWII was a four-pack-a-day smoker. You
don't go through four packs of cigarettes a day without a
cigarette pretty much constantly in your hand or mouth all day.
Not only did Selleck give up his 'stash and hair [he was quoted
in a PR blurb as not wanting the viewers to spend all their time
trying to see if they could detect the "bald" appliance] to play
Ike, he took up smoking so he could have the natural manners of a
four-pack-a-day smoker. For example, that scene in Monty's
"non-smoking" HQ after the King lit up was pure gold. That was
exactly what Ike would have done/probably did do in that
situation. Light up and grab a few quick puffs before ascending
the stage to give the brief. Ike could no more have passed up
that cigarette, given the King's "reprieve", than have failed to
return a salute. It is that automatic a thing for a heavy
smoker.
What was the amazing thing is that Selleck claims he had no
trouble stopping smoking after the last scene of the movie was
shot. If that's true, Selleck *is* Superman. ;->
Harold Hutchison
> On 04 Jun 2004 20:29:24 GMT, tekt...@aol.comnospam (TekTeam26)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I hope that Without Remorse makes it to the silver screen and that Tom Clancy
>>insists on Tom Selleck playing Mr. Clark.
>
>
> I hope not. Tom Selleck is almost 60, kinda old to play the Kelly of
> WR. I guess that is not what TC had in mind when he suggested Selleck.
>
>
NOT too old for Rainbow Six, IMHO.
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Scott Podsednik was robbed.
Chris Vail
"Ogden Johnson III" <oj3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> [A spy told me that the eternal "Who should play Clark" thread
> has been resurrected, along with the eternal Willem Dafoe sucked
> as Clark bashing mandatory in any proper "Who should play Clark"
> thread. Ergo, I'm forced in to posting my eternal Willem Dafoe
> defense, in spite of my "Bye Y'all. Consider this a drive by
> rant. ;->]
(snip)
> Drive-by rant over. I'll put a watch on this thread to catch the
> s[tuff] that's thrown my way.
FWIW: I agree. The movie was pretty good, and I
liked Dafoe. If the movie had been given a different
name, I wouldn't mind it at all. I even watched it on
cable t'other week. Its fairly easy for me to separate
films and visual stuff from the written word. The written
stuff (at least TC's good stuff) is far more intensely
visual--since it enters my mind through words and ideas
rather than visual input. I just think of 'em as two different
works.
I can say the same about PG--the book and the movie.
They have little enough in common, and the book
sticks in my mind better.
Chris
Tom Clancy
quite delberately. The key characteristic is that both are at their most
dangerous when they appear totally harmless.
I know Tom Selleck. He was kind enough to be a groomsman at my wedding in 1999.
He is a princely gentleman, and, unusually for an actor, intelligent (actors
are not an intellectual class, with some exceptions, like Richard Dreyfuss, and
Ben Affleck) and just a good guy to have around. I’d love to cast him as
Clark in Rainbow Six. I know he’d be good at it, since all the dialog is
written for his voice, and, unusually for actors, he knows how to hold a
firearm in his hand without making it appear coated with toxic plastic. What
can I say? Tom’s a pal. Also a better golfer than I am, but who isn’t?
Oh, women go nuts around him, but as I said, he’s a gentleman, and he handles
it better than I ever could.
But I can’t cast my own movies. They don’t let me. Hell, I have yet to see
a treatment, much less a script.
Another choice for Without Remorse would be Tom Hanks, for whom I have
considerable respect, though I have not met him. I could settle for Ben
Affleck, too, but nobody’s asking me for my opinion.
I have been quoted as saying that selling a book to Hollywood is rather like
turning your daughter over to a pimp. I will not confirm the accuracy of that
quote.
TC
Success will ruin your life.
Marc Reeve
> Brad King <n...@kingtechsolutions.com> wrote:
>
> > Must be from my throwback days of being a huge Magnum PI fan.
>
> Season 1 of which is due to be released on DVD on Sept. 7.
Woohoo!
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
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BlackBeard
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:36:36 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
> <ne...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >This is always an issue for anyone who read a book, liked it and then
> >saw the movie. I most recently had it with the casting for "Troy" :) (I
> >may be in a minority, but I *liked* Brad Pitt's Achilles - selfish,
> >self-obsessed, driven by pride and ennui)
I had commented to a friend how I didn't want to see it partly
because of Pitt being cast... He said pretty much the same thing,
Achilleus was vain, selfish etc... who better to play him than Pitt?
He could just be himself!
>
> I agree...the casting and players for the major parts of Troy worked
> out well...even if they managed to condense 10 years of fighting into
> what, three weeks of 'screen time'...
>
> ck
But that's fairly factual. The Iliad starts in the tenth year and
only accounts for the last few weeks of battle. IIRC...
BB
Fred J. McCall
:Another choice for Without Remorse would be Tom Hanks, for whom I have
:considerable respect, though I have not met him.
Couldn't live with that one, myself. He just doesn't look or sound
'right' to me. He may be an actor of great range, but this role just
seems somewhat outside it to me. Now, I don't think I'd object if he
were to DIRECT it.
:I could settle for Ben
:Affleck, too, but nobody’s asking me for my opinion.
This one I could probably live with. Despite what may be said about
him by detractors, I don't think anyone can fairly say that the man
can't act. From the few clips I've seen of him in similar sorts of
roles, it looks to me like he could pull it off. It would, of course,
all depend on the script.
Besides, judging from interviews with him, he seems like a fairly nice
guy. They should get to finish first once in a while.
--
"They made hypocrite judgments after the fact
But the name of the game is be hit and hit back."
-- "Boom Boom Mancini", Warren Zevon
Brad King
> In article <pan.2004.06.04....@kingtechsolutions.com>,
> Brad King <n...@kingtechsolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> Must be from my throwback days of being a huge Magnum PI fan.
>
> Season 1 of which is due to be released on DVD on Sept. 7.
How cool is that going to be ?? Hooahh !
Brad King
> I'd love to cast him as Clark in Rainbow Six. I know he'd be good at
> it, since all the dialog is written for his voice, and, unusually for
> actors, he knows how to hold a firearm in his hand without making it
> appear coated with toxic plastic.
What a glorious day that would be. An R6 movie with kick A$5 casting
> But I can't cast my own movies. They don't let me. Hell, I have yet
> to see a treatment, much less a script.
This is a shame indeed.
> I could settle for Ben Affleck, too, but nobody's asking me for my
> opinion.
Definately a plausible choice. My wife would even be fired up about this
movie. As I think she prefers Ben to Me. Well after all he a tad better
looking.
I really think Ben would do a good job dressed as a Bum stumbling around
the seedy part of town doing recon on the dealers. I can picture it now.
Harold Hutchison
> I designed the character of John Kelly/Clark for Tom Selleck, and I did so
> quite delberately. The key characteristic is that both are at their most
> dangerous when they appear totally harmless.
>
Ah... so the baby seal might not be just a baby seal... it could be a
KILLER baby seal. :)
> I know Tom Selleck. He was kind enough to be a groomsman at my wedding in 1999.
> He is a princely gentleman, and, unusually for an actor, intelligent (actors
> are not an intellectual class, with some exceptions, like Richard Dreyfuss, and
> Ben Affleck) and just a good guy to have around. I’d love to cast him as
> Clark in Rainbow Six. I know he’d be good at it, since all the dialog is
> written for his voice, and, unusually for actors, he knows how to hold a
> firearm in his hand without making it appear coated with toxic plastic. What
> can I say? Tom’s a pal. Also a better golfer than I am, but who isn’t?
>
Well, I'm thinking abotu starting, so you could probably beat me. :)
> But I can’t cast my own movies. They don’t let me. Hell, I have yet to see
> a treatment, much less a script.
>
*Makes mental note to stick with his process of writing a novel*
Well, that could be hard for me... I do tend to visualize
actors/actresses in a part when I'm writing.
> Another choice for Without Remorse would be Tom Hanks, for whom I have
> considerable respect, though I have not met him. I could settle for Ben
> Affleck, too, but nobody’s asking me for my opinion.
>
Hanks? No, I see him as Tony Bretano (from Executive Orders or The Bear
and The Dragon). Maybe Jack Ryan, though. Ben Affleck's Jack Ryan (he
was good in Sum of All Fears - if only he'd root for the Brewers...),
although I could possibly see him as Ben Goodley...
> I have been quoted as saying that selling a book to Hollywood is rather like
> turning your daughter over to a pimp. I will not confirm the accuracy of that
> quote.
>
> TC
>
> Success will ruin your life.
--
Michael Kennedy
"Nohbody" <lo...@my.reply-to.address> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:08:46 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <UKqwc.55180$Ly.46166@attbi_s01>,
> > John Neiberger <neiby@NO_SPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Willem Dafoe was an absolutely hideous choice for Clark, but then that
> > > whole movie was one big hideous choice.
> >
> >
> > Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't typical Hollywood drivel. But it wasn't
> > nearly as bad as it could have been.
> >
> > For my first exhibit, I give you the most recent Hollywood iteration of
> > "The Bourne Identity".
> >
> > (Ludlum's Jason Bourne occupies a space in my heart right next to Mr.
> > Clark. The Hollywood people who wasted good film on that piece of crap
> > they made will all burn in hell.)
>
> I'll probably catch flak for this, but having seen the movie then read
> the book, I prefer the movie of TBI. I felt the whole Carlos plot was
> silly, not to mention exceedingly convoluted.
I hate to admit I haven't read the book but I liked the Bourne Identity.
Mike Kennedy
>
> (That does sound odd to be saying in a Clancy group, doesn't it?)
>
> --
> Dan Poore
> ICQ UIN: 3908950 <http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3908950>
> A Meeting of Minds <http://nohbody.com/schtuff/meeting.html> - a
> (mostly) cliche-free first contact story (updated periodically)
Harold Hutchison
> TekTeam26 wrote:
>
>> I have ALWAYS thought that Tom Selleck would make an excellent John
>> Clark. I
>> hope that Without Remorse makes it to the silver screen and that Tom
>> Clancy
>> insists on Tom Selleck playing Mr. Clark. He would certainly be a far
>> better
>> choice than Willem Dafoe was.
>>
>> Jerry Hall
>
>
> Willem Dafoe was an absolutely hideous choice for Clark, but then that
> whole movie was one big hideous choice.
>
> John
Agreed. I could not recognize Clark or Ritter.
And making the CIA as bad as the drug lord? Uh... lost me there. The
movie of Clear and Present Danger bore *no* resemblance to the book
Clear and Present Danger.
Same title, but two different creatures entirely.
charles krin
>
>Another choice for Without Remorse would be Tom Hanks, for whom I have
>considerable respect, though I have not met him. I could settle for Ben
>Affleck, too, but nobody’s asking me for my opinion.
ok...how about Jim Belushi? thinking in terms of Red Heat and the two
movies he made with the GSD...
Fred J. McCall
:In article <pan.2004.06.07....@kingtechsolutions.com>,
: Brad King <n...@kingtechsolutions.com> wrote:
:
:> Definately a plausible choice. My wife would even be fired up about this
:> movie. As I think she prefers Ben to Me. Well after all he a tad better
:> looking.
:
:You need to have an open marriage, like mine.
:
:For example, should Helen Hunt walk up to me and say, "Come on, big boy,
:right now," I don't even have to consult with my wife before agreeing.
I had the same sort of deal with my ex-wife, for all sorts of unlikely
happenstance. Of course, in my case I could have just left out
specifics entirely. :-)
Mary Shafer
wrote:
> ok...how about Jim Belushi? thinking in terms of Red Heat and the two
> movies he made with the GSD...
What German Shepherd Dog are you referring to?
Mary, who is a misspelled American shepherd
--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
mil...@qnet.com
Dennis Brothers
...and just a dash of Belushi's character from Real Men.
(Could Nick Pirandello out-competent Clark? :)
- Dennis Brothers
charles krin
wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:55:27 -0500, charles krin <ck...@bayou.com>
>wrote:
>
>> ok...how about Jim Belushi? thinking in terms of Red Heat and the two
>> movies he made with the GSD...
>
>What German Shepherd Dog are you referring to?
>
>Mary, who is a misspelled American shepherd
About the time Hanks was showing his serious depth with a Mastiff in
'Turner and Hooch', Belushi showed up as a broken down almost retired
detective who got stuck with a broken down almost retired GSD police
pooch in another movie...ah...IMDB is your friend...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097637/ "K-9" followed by "K-911"...
charles krin
wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:55:27 -0500, charles krin <ck...@bayou.com>
>wrote:
>
>> ok...how about Jim Belushi? thinking in terms of Red Heat and the two
>> movies he made with the GSD...
>
>What German Shepherd Dog are you referring to?
>
>Mary, who is a misspelled American shepherd
About the time Hanks was showing his serious depth with a Mastiff in
'Turner and Hooch', Belushi showed up as a broken down almost retired
detective who got stuck with a broken down almost retired GSD police
pooch in another movie...ah...IMDB is your friend...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097637/ "K-9" followed by "K-911"...
following up...K-9 was in 1989...K 911 was in 1999 and there was a
second sequale in 2002 called K-9 PI...
Gml...@scvnet.com
>
> >
> >Another choice for Without Remorse would be Tom Hanks, for whom I have
> >considerable respect, though I have not met him. I could settle for Ben
> >Affleck, too, but nobody's asking me for my opinion.
>
> ok...how about Jim Belushi? thinking in terms of Red Heat and the two
> movies he made with the GSD...
While we're tossing names out, how about Jerry Doyle? Excellent actor, and
physically very well suited to the Clark role. Remember, Clark doesn't
stand out in a crowd unless you happen to shake hands or lock eyes with him!
TekTeam26
Michael Garibaldi on Babylon 5. He's a great guy to talk to in real
life....very, very down to earth.
Jerry Hall
Kurt Ullman
>
>
>While we're tossing names out, how about Jerry Doyle? Excellent actor, and
>physically very well suited to the Clark role. Remember, Clark doesn't
>stand out in a crowd unless you happen to shake hands or lock eyes with him!
>
>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236381/
>
Garibaldi.
--
The juvenile seasquirt wanders through the sea searching for a
suitable rock or coral to cling to and make its home for life.
For this task it has a rudimentary nervous system. When it
finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain
anymore so it eats it. It's rather like getting tenure.
-- Consciousness Explained by Daniel C. Dennett
Gml...@scvnet.com
"Kurt Ullman" <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9_pxc.26200$Tn6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> In article <40c6...@news.bnb-lp.com>, <Gml...@scvnet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >While we're tossing names out, how about Jerry Doyle? Excellent actor,
and
> >physically very well suited to the Clark role. Remember, Clark doesn't
> >stand out in a crowd unless you happen to shake hands or lock eyes with
him!
> >
> >http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236381/
> >
> I'd have to agree, there was quite a little bit of Clark wrapped in
> Garibaldi.
Yes, take Garabaldi, subtract the alcoholism, add a dash of self-driven
perfection, and you end up with Clark. Soft-spoken, introspective, not
strikingly handsome but also not unattractive, and somehow you know that he
is A Man Not To Be Trifled With.
George
Andrew Chaplin
> It's Hollywood. They did a decent job of sticking to the original work,
> did some *excellent* battle scenes, traded precise accuracy for pace,
> and maybe some folks will go read the Iliad or at least a summary
> thereof because they liked the movie.
>
> Personally, I enjoyed the film even if I knew the ending (though they
> changed some details for pace and I still had to pay attention)
>
> Now, have they set Sean Bean up for "Troy II - The Odyssey (Return to
> Ithaca)"? That could be worth a look :)
My thoughts exactly. He was set up as such a sympathetic character,
compared with the rest, and more complex. I think they are doing just
that, and I remarked on it to my wife as we left the cinema.
--
Andrew Chaplin
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