The Battle Of Hastings -- 1066
D. Spencer Hines
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| Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
| hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
| our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
| invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
-----Cordon Sanitaire---------
Hilarious!
Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary to the
English louts and their slatterns.
The Norman Conquest still sticks in the craw of many ragamuffin
Englishmen such as Pogue Cook -- because their ancestors wound up on the
bottom of the social pyramid.
How Sweet It Is!
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Julian Richards
<pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
>were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
>
>Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
>without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
>arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary to the
>English louts and their slatterns.
>
>The Norman Conquest still sticks in the craw of many ragamuffin
>Englishmen such as Pogue Cook -- because their ancestors wound up on the
>bottom of the social pyramid.
The subject will always be of some controversy. Did the conquest
stifle an Anglo Saxon civilisation at birth?
Pre conquest, many of the customs of mainland Europe were arriving in
England under Edward the Confessor, who had lived in Normandy. The
conquest could have been seen as being irrelevant in cultural terms in
bringing to England a culture that was inexorably coming anyway.
If one looks at Scandinavia, they became a nation of nobles fighting
on horseback like the Normans but without ever being invaded by them.
One may even look at the Battle of Hastings as Norman nobility against
Saxon nobility, both of Viking descent. One gang of Viking thugs
replacing another.
Looking back at my ancestry, as I have been via census data, I am from
those nominally at the bottom of the social pyramid but who were
wonderful characters. I had thought that one branch had been of Norman
ancestry but it appears that they were new money who kept quiet about
their origins.
--
Julian Richards
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Bryn
<pogue...@hotmail.com> writes
>"Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>| Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
>| hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
>| our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
>| invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
>
>-----Cordon Sanitaire---------
>
>Hilarious!
>
>Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
>
>The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
I think that was Caesar's little expedition... Or do you mean Picts ?
>were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
?
>
>Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
>without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
>arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary to the
>English louts and their slatterns.
>
>The Norman Conquest still sticks in the craw of many ragamuffin
>Englishmen such as Pogue Cook -- because their ancestors wound up on the
>bottom of the social pyramid.
Oh dear.. You poor jealous old fellow... I hope you don't think that
applies to me ! Kissy ! Kissy !
>
>How Sweet It Is!
Well you keep sucking it then, dirty old sod, everybody to their own !
>
>D.
Sphincter
>Hines
>
>Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
>Vires et Honor
>
--
Bryn
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Michael W Cook
Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BE959BAB.11B4E%Nuff...@hotmail.com...
>
> | Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
> | hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
> | our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
> | invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
>
> -----Cordon Sanitaire---------
>
> Hilarious!
>
> Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
>
> The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
> were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
Is that why William adopted all the Saxon institutions ?
> Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
> without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
> arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary to the
> English louts and their slatterns.
The Saxon's were already feared throughout Western Europe for their prowess
on the battlefield. And William only just won, he was VERY lucky.
> The Norman Conquest still sticks in the craw of many ragamuffin
> Englishmen such as Pogue Cook -- because their ancestors wound up on the
> bottom of the social pyramid.
Now the personal attack - lovely.
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Cook is so ignorant of his own English Language that he doesn't
know the differences between a POSSESSIVE and a PLURAL.
No, Virginia, it's not a "typo" -- it's a consistent blunder Pogue Cook
makes -- which explains why he's still on the bottom of the social and
intellectual pyramid in Britain -- just as his Anglo-Saxon ancestors
were.
How Sweet It Is!
DSH
"Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Saxon's [sic] were already feared throughout Western Europe...
Deus Vult.
martin reboul
"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BE959BAB.11B4E%Nuff...@hotmail.com...
>
> | Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
> | hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
> | our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
> | invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
>
> -----Cordon Sanitaire---------
>
> Hilarious!
>
> Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
>
> The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
> were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The
> Conqueror.
Oh, come now David - we were building hypocausts and laying mosaics while your
fellow countrymen were still eating each other!
> Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
> without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
> arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary
> to the English louts and their slatterns.
Ahem, I think a little 'book lerning' is called for here - as usual. The only
'culture' that the Normans brought with them was a culture of militarism,
violence and rule through intimidation and fear. And those silly haircuts of
course...
> The Norman Conquest still sticks in the craw of many ragamuffin
> Englishmen such as Pogue Cook -- because their ancestors wound
> up on the bottom of the social pyramid.
I'm afraid you'll be hard pressed to find any Englishman or woman of more than
three generations who has no Norman blood, or Norman ancestors. What nonsense -
and I thought you were interested in geneaology (gt.gt. grandfather William
would have been horribly disappointed with you!)
However, it is true to say that the Normans certainly had an important part in
putting the 'Great' before Britain. They were great organisers and
administrators, centralisers of government, with a paranoia about control,
regulation and the ordering of society (hmmm... shades of Stalin there
perhaps?).
The 'Saxons' they conquered were somewhat lacking in that area, yet as
formidable warriors, made ideal cannon fodder for their new overlords...
unwillingly at first, but not for long.
Like almost all immigrants who settle in this land, the Normans soon went
native, losing much of their seperate identity within a few generations, and
abandoning even their language - which merged with that of the rest of the
English to produce the magnificenctly expressive language with what I'm writing
this in write now. Ahem.
What they also brought - as two edged as their swords - was an ambitious
conquering and roving instinct, inherited from their Norse ancestors, which
fitted well with the re-settled Vikings and immigrant Angles andSaxons who were
well established here in 1066. They also seem to have brought out the best and
worst in those Britons and Romans who they had conquered and absorbed in turn.
The result was (in time) the British Empire - a remarkable achievement whatever
your opinion of it. We British are descended from pirates, plunderers, pillagers
and sea-rovers from all over the place - the Normans were the rather unpleasant
fertizer that was needed to make our nation grow.
Cheers
Martin
D. Spencer Hines
As I have been saying...
Renia, like the blind sow in the barnyard, does occasionally root up an
acorn.
DSH
"Renia" <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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| Michael W Cook wrote:
| > On 27/4/05 3:50 pm, in article KENbe.32$Tg3.5@fed1read03, "HawkCW4"
| > <Haw...@cox.net> wrote:
|
| >
| >>How do you like your freedom?
| >
| > Very nicely thanks, we gained ours through hundreds of years of
| > struggle, not by someone invading us illegally and forcing their
| > type of democracy on us.
| >
|
| Think again, Michael!!
"Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
| hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
| our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
| invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
-----Cordon Sanitaire---------
Hilarious!
Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary to the
English louts and their slatterns.
The Norman Conquest still sticks in the craw of many ragamuffin
Englishmen such as Pogue Cook -- because their ancestors wound up on the
bottom of the social pyramid.
How Sweet It Is!
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)
<br...@GREMILNSfinhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <nnRbe.77$We4...@eagle.america.net>, D. Spencer Hines
> <pogue...@hotmail.com> writes
> >The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
> I think that was Caesar's little expedition... Or do you mean Picts ?
CRADN, Celts, Romans, Angles, Danes, Normans.
By the time the Normans showed up, the Picts were long gone, north of
Hadrian's Wall.
Mary
TOliver
"Julian Richards" <s...@sig.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> One may even look at the Battle of Hastings as Norman nobility against
> Saxon nobility, both of Viking descent.
....and in both cases, the pretentions ot nobility were (a) pretty thin
and (b) certainly magnified beyond reality by the descendants of both.
> One gang of Viking thugs
> replacing another.
>
How about "mongrelized semi-Viking thugs", a description well merited by the
bad habit of their sires and grandsires of venting their lust (pent up by
all that rowing and the fat and ugly sows left at home in the fjords) upon
any and all receptacles available among the local populations.
TMO
Renia
>
> The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
> were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
Brits were not living in caves at the time of the Norman Conquest. And
as for painting themselves blue . . .
D. Spencer Hines
outlive all his other books and papers."
P. Jonathan Gans -- 27 April 2005
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Hilarious!
For many years Gans would not even READ that book.
Yet Gans continued to prattle, babble and pontificate ignorantly about
the Battle of Hastings [he had never even visited the battlefield
either] and the _Carmen de Hastingae Proelio_ -- never even having read
and studied this prime source.
Gans had read only excerpts of the _Carmen_ in Morillo's little source
book for undergraduates -- and he had not read Barlow's superb
Introductory Essay of more than 75 pages on the _Carmen de Hastingae
Proelio_ and the Battle of Hastings.
But I kept kicking Gans's arse and rubbing his nose in his own feces
[his ignorant posts to USENET] until I managed to force him to read and
study Frank Barlow's book
NOW, Gans realizes what he had been missing all those years and PRAISES
the book.
How Sweet It Is!
So, the lesson is:
Yes, you can lead a Greenwich-Village goose to water and yes, you CAN
make him drink -- it just takes several years, steady pressure, strong
nerves and great depths of patience.
Deus Vult.
a.spencer3
"Julian Richards" <s...@sig.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well, part of us were the de Spensers, but looking through history they're
best forgotten, too!!
Surreyman
Hundreds of quizzes on history (and much else) on
http://www.sploofus.com/?ref=surreyman
Bryn
Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com> writes
I knew that...............
>
>Mary
Brian Sharrock
"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> | Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
> | hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
> | our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
> | invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
>
> -----Cordon Sanitaire---------
>
> Hilarious!
>
> Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
>
> The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
> were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
>
Remind us - Commander! Which particular cave did William
use for his Coronation?
> Nor would Britain have become a Great Power -- of days gone by --
> without the Norman Conquest -- which kicked their sorry Anglo-Saxon
> arses -- and introduced a Higher Culture and a Richer Vocabulary to the
> English louts and their slatterns.
>
Higher ... Kultur ... lout ... slattern ... ? Why have used germanic-rooted
words rather than the 'Richer Vocabulary' you extoll?
--
Brian
Spiv
> The Brits would still be living in caves
> and painting themselves blue
> were it not for the Normans and
> Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
** snip **
Hilarious. Find out about British history.
Michael W Cook
"Brian Sharrock" <b.sha...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:nnRbe.77$We4...@eagle.america.net...
>> "Michael W Cook" <Nuff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:BE959BAB.11B4E%Nuff...@hotmail.com...
>>
>> | Never thankfully, as I stated [sic] my ancestors struggled for
>> | hundreds of years to bring us where we are today, even if
>> | our system is flawed. But we didn't have someone
>> | invading illegally and enforcing their system on us.
>>
>> -----Cordon Sanitaire---------
>>
>> Hilarious!
>>
>> Utter Errant, Ignorant Twaddle....
>>
>> The Brits would still be living in caves and painting themselves blue
>> were it not for the Normans and Great-Grandfather William The Conqueror.
>>
>
> Remind us - Commander! Which particular cave did William use for his
> Coronation?
The earliest foundations of Westminster Abbey that are known are those of St
Dunstan, c. 909-88.
Remind us, Housing Officer Hines, what were the Normans doing then ?
W. D. Allen Sr.
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TOliver
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> And those mongrels were you ancestors, right?
>
> end
>
> "TOliver" <tolive...@Hot.rr.com> wrote in message
>>
>> How about "mongrelized semi-Viking thugs", a description well merited by
>> the bad habit of their sires and grandsires of venting their lust (pent
>> up by all that rowing and the fat and ugly sows left at home in the
>> fjords) upon any and all receptacles available among the local
>> populations.
>>
Of course, and of us all (at least most of us who can trace our lineage or
random parts thereof) the the Scuppered H'aisles or all those other areas
where the Norse storm ashore).
Of course, all of us whose ancestors resided in seaport communities are
likely to have an admixture of various gene pools and a "touch of the
tarbrush" probably has slipped unknowingly into any number of family trees.
Traveling men often left their mark on communities and the female plunder
they brought home added leavening to the origianl brood stock.
The concept of "pure bred" is pure sh*t....
TMO
martin reboul
I agree absolutely - especially with respect to us English!