Thoughts on Phantom
Phil Da Lick!
What a series - absolutely fantastic - genius.
Lulled a bit with Pillars of Creation and Naked Empire (if I don't see
any reference to those events in the final battle I'll think major
filler=major dollar).
Chainfire and Phantom are both back to the best. Hopefully we're in for
a major climax but if Jagang shags Kahlan I'll never read it cos right
there and then the book will be put down for good. The villain does not
shag the heroine. Rule of thumb. Absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre.
Please Terry, do not go down this road. You've made a majorly believable
and hateful villain in Jagang - he's enough of a bastard. Don't make
this happen!
Anyone want to disagree?
Dale
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I'm about half-way through the book and I agree, if Jagang sleeps with
Kahlan, that will ruin the final book. although wouldn't this be the
outcome of Shota's prophecy of Kahlan and Richard's marriage producing a
monster. Hopefully she keeps that necklace on.
Phil Da Lick!
I'll completely lose faith in the series if that happens.
Kish
Shags? "Sleeps with"?
Is there a reason why making what Jagang is threatening to do to Kahlan
sound consensual is preferable to writing the word "rape"?
(Incidentally, I can think of two fantasy novels off the top of my head
in which a villain rapes the heroine; I'm sure there are a lot more.
No, it's not an "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" that the heroine
never gets raped--although I'm not expecting it here.)
Dale
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With as smart as Kahlan is, WHEN she recovers her memory she could play it
out that she still hasn't until Richard can save her.
Since I started reading SoT, I haven't had a break from reading the series
except for a 1 week before Phantom was released. The next year waiting for
the next to come out is going to be torture to see how it all gets wrapped
up.
Phil Da Lick!
> (Incidentally, I can think of two fantasy novels off the top of my head
> in which a villain rapes the heroine; I'm sure there are a lot more.
None that I've read.
> No, it's not an "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" that the heroine
> never gets raped--although I'm not expecting it here.)
Yes, it is. Especially in a series with such a clear sense of right and
wrong.
Kish
> Kish wrote:
>
>> (Incidentally, I can think of two fantasy novels off the top of my
>> head in which a villain rapes the heroine; I'm sure there are a lot more.
>
>
> None that I've read.
Well, then I guess they don't exist.
>> No, it's not an "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" that the
>> heroine never gets raped--although I'm not expecting it here.)
>
>
> Yes, it is.
So when you say, "Absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre," you don't mean
"Something that never happens," but rather, "Something that I don't want
to happen"?
> Especially in a series with such a clear sense of right and
> wrong.
That looks like a non sequitur to me. What does the series' sense of
right and wrong have to do with whether the heroine might get raped?
Phil Da Lick!
> Phil Da Lick! wrote:
>> Kish wrote:
>>
>>> (Incidentally, I can think of two fantasy novels off the top of my
>>> head in which a villain rapes the heroine; I'm sure there are a lot
>>> more.
>>
>>
>> None that I've read.
>
> Well, then I guess they don't exist.
Well seeing as you put those words into my keyboard I must have typed them.
>> Yes, it is.
>
> So when you say, "Absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre," you don't mean
> "Something that never happens," but rather, "Something that I don't want
> to happen"?
There you go again. I meant what I typed.
>> Especially in a series with such a clear sense of right and wrong.
>
> That looks like a non sequitur to me. What does the series' sense of
> right and wrong have to do with whether the heroine might get raped?
Erm, that it would be wrong?
Kish
> Kish wrote:
>
>> Phil Da Lick! wrote:
>>
>>> Kish wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Incidentally, I can think of two fantasy novels off the top of my
>>>> head in which a villain rapes the heroine; I'm sure there are a lot
>>>> more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> None that I've read.
>>
>>
>> Well, then I guess they don't exist.
>
>
> Well seeing as you put those words into my keyboard I must have typed them.
>
>> No, it's not an "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" that the
heroine never gets raped--although I'm not expecting it here.)
>
>>> Yes, it is.
>>
>>
>> So when you say, "Absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre," you don't
>> mean "Something that never happens," but rather, "Something that I
>> don't want to happen"?
>
>
> There you go again. I meant what I typed.
So what does "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" mean to you, since
it evidently doesn't mean "something that never happens in fantasy books"?
>
>
>>> Especially in a series with such a clear sense of right and wrong.
>>
>>
>> That looks like a non sequitur to me. What does the series' sense of
>> right and wrong have to do with whether the heroine might get raped?
>
>
> Erm, that it would be wrong?
It would be easy to compose a very long list of wrong things Jagang has
done. It would be substantially harder to come up with anything he's
done that isn't wrong. It was wrong for him to rape all the women he's
raped. He's the, y'know, villain.
Phil Da Lick!
>>> So when you say, "Absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre," you don't
>>> mean "Something that never happens," but rather, "Something that I
>>> don't want to happen"?
>>
>>
>> There you go again. I meant what I typed.
>
> So what does "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" mean to you, since
> it evidently doesn't mean "something that never happens in fantasy books"?
It evidently does mean that, but two posts back you took it to mean
"Something that I don't want to happen".
>>> That looks like a non sequitur to me. What does the series' sense of
>>> right and wrong have to do with whether the heroine might get raped?
>>
>>
>> Erm, that it would be wrong?
>
> It would be easy to compose a very long list of wrong things Jagang has
> done. It would be substantially harder to come up with anything he's
> done that isn't wrong. It was wrong for him to rape all the women he's
> raped. He's the, y'know, villain.
And Kahlan is the y'know heroine, not some minor character.
Andy Stanford
So Jagang's rape of her would be more, or less wrong?
And out of character for Jagang, how?
--
Andy
Kish
> Kish wrote:
>
>>>> So when you say, "Absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre," you don't
>>>> mean "Something that never happens," but rather, "Something that I
>>>> don't want to happen"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There you go again. I meant what I typed.
>>
>>
>> So what does "absolute cornerstone of fantasy genre" mean to you,
>> since it evidently doesn't mean "something that never happens in
>> fantasy books"?
>
>
> It evidently does mean that, but two posts back you took it to mean
> "Something that I don't want to happen".
No. Three posts back, I pointed out that it is not something that never
happens in fantasy books. Continuing to maintain that it is is not a
logically viable position--unless, of course, you're trolling.
>
>
>>>> That looks like a non sequitur to me. What does the series' sense
>>>> of right and wrong have to do with whether the heroine might get raped?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erm, that it would be wrong?
>>
>>
>> It would be easy to compose a very long list of wrong things Jagang
>> has done. It would be substantially harder to come up with anything
>> he's done that isn't wrong. It was wrong for him to rape all the
>> women he's raped. He's the, y'know, villain.
>
>
>
> And Kahlan is the y'know heroine, not some minor character.
So?
Phil Da Lick!
>> And Kahlan is the y'know heroine, not some minor character.
>
> So?
>
>
So hero rescues heroine from harm and saves world. Sound familiar?
Andy Stanford
Perfectly familiar. Just because that what happens a lot of the time
doesn't mean it'll happen here though.
--
Andy
Phil Da Lick!
never said it would, however my estimation for series will go down if
kahlan does get raped.
Franky G
Franky G
Dale
him. But there is a major twist that is quite irritating.
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