Wizard & Glass - THINNY???
Murko
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is a thinny and what is
its significance? I feel dumb asking this because the thinny is
all through W & G, and if I recall, in the previous Gunslinger
books as well. Either I've totally forgotten, or I've missed its
meaning somewhere.
--
Chris Augustine
On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:28:14 -0400, Murko <74227...@CompuServe.COM>
wrote:
It's merely a palce where reality is very thin. Where the boundary
between worlds, dimensions, and planes of existence are eroded. There is
no more accurate or less vague description of a Thinny than that...yet.
It's signifigance, so far, is really just to show one more example of how
Roland's world has been and still is "moving on" and how the Dark Tower is
faltering.
Chris Augustine
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Chris Augustine wrote in message <3581aa83.4555246@news>...
>On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:28:14 -0400, Murko <74227...@CompuServe.COM>
>wrote:
>
>It's merely a palce where reality is very thin. Where the boundary
>between worlds, dimensions, and planes of existence are eroded. There is
>no more accurate or less vague description of a Thinny than that...yet.
>It's signifigance, so far, is really just to show one more example of how
>Roland's world has been and still is "moving on" and how the Dark Tower is
>faltering.
>
Maybe these are the points where characters from other books come across
into
Roland's world. Can anyone think of anything like a thinny in any of his
other books
which might be the other side of this "doorway"?
Rob
Crimso...@webtv.net
Ahhh. The mysterious thinny in Eyebolt Canyon. It is merely a spot in
reality that is melting away, due to the Dark Tower slowly crumbling
apart. Another sign that Roland's world has moved on.
CK
Sven Anders Robbestad
| Chris Augustine wrote in message <3581aa83.4555246@news>...
| >On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:28:14 -0400, Murko <74227...@CompuServe.COM>
| >wrote:
| >It's merely a palce where reality is very thin. Where the boundary
| >between worlds, dimensions, and planes of existence are eroded. There is
| >no more accurate or less vague description of a Thinny than that...yet.
| >It's signifigance, so far, is really just to show one more example of how
| >Roland's world has been and still is "moving on" and how the Dark Tower is
| >faltering.
<rlanc...@compuserve.com>]:
| Maybe these are the points where characters from other books come across
| into
| Roland's world. Can anyone think of anything like a thinny in any of his
| other books
| which might be the other side of this "doorway"?
It might be, but remember that whoever steps into a thinny is
obliterated -- if we are to extrapolate the events of W&G. The doors
Roland used in "Drawing" weren't thinnies, I should think.
- Sven
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Chris Augustine
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:22:32 -0500, "Jonathan Meyer" <the...@millnet.net>
wrote:
>
>Chris Augustine wrote in message,
>>>Did not
>>>Roland and his fellow travelers have to pass through the thinny in Blaine
>>>the Mono,
>>
>>No. They didn't. They passed over a destroyed area of the planet, not
>>through a thinny. Re-read. A thinny has a shimmer quality and makes that
>>irritating noise. They never even came close to a thinny while they were
>>on Blaine.
>>
>
> Yes, they did pass over a destroyed area of the planet, but that doesn't
>explain how they ended up in Topeka. I'm not sure if it was Topeka, but I
>know that they left Mid-World and ended up in the world of the Stand. Roland
>made the comment about feeling a shift or something while in Blaine and the
>group all said that they were too concentrated on defeating Blaine. So the
>possibility was never ruled out. And if they didn't pass through one, how
>the heck did the end up in the world of the Stand?
It was a glamour, created by Flagg. They never actually left Mid-World,
they just stepped into one of Flagg's spells. He may have felt a shift,
that was when they passed from their own Mid-world, into Flagg's spell.
They have never gone through a thinny. I'll repeat, for emphasis, they
have never gone through a thinny.
There is a difference between a door and thinny. A door cleanly connects
worlds. A thinny is merely a weak spot in reality, it connects nothing.
Even if they had gone through a thinny while on board Blaine, why would
they end up going straight through to another world? They wouldn't. Is
there any example of a thinny connecting worlds? No. Any reason to
believe a thinny connects worlds? No. So, I'll say it one more time:
Roland and the ka-tet have never traveled through a thinny.
Cujosmaster
So, Chris by going near a thinny you can pass into another dimension?
Dustin
Chris Augustine wrote in message <3586f254.201586318@news>...
>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:30:38 GMT, sv...@online.no (Sven Anders Robbestad)
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:19:52 -0400, "Cujosmaster"
>><Cujos...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ahh.. but remember that not everything is obliterated in a thinny! Did
not
>>>Roland and his fellow travelers have to pass through the thinny in Blaine
>>>the Mono, you could say that Blaine protected them, but that
>>>doesn't explain the fact that they also had to walk through one on the
>>>highway in W&G.
>>
>>Are you sure they passed through one with Blaine? I don't remember
>>that. As for the one on the highway, did they go through one? I seem
>>to remember that they just walked very close to it. My recollection of
>>those two events are very dim however, I won't contest your objection.
>>If you're right it begs the question: why did the thinny in the valley
>>obliterate the men who walked into it, and why did Roland's party
>>survive in one? Are there different levels of the thinny? When does it
>>start removing everything in its path?
>
>No, Sven , you're right. They never went through a Thinny (or anything
>resembling a thinny) while on Blaine. They just went over a blasted,
>destroyed and mutilated area of the planet. And, at the highway, they went
>very close to a thinny, but never actually into it.
Cujosmaster
Then how did they get into the world of the stand? A thinny is a thin place
in temporal fabric. Logic states that it doesn't retreat from a place it
has already eaten. How did they get into the world of the stand?
Dustin
Chris Augustine wrote in message <3586f2c8.201702325@news>...
>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:19:52 -0400, "Cujosmaster" <Cujos...@juno.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Ahh.. but remember that not everything is obliterated in a thinny!
>
>Yes it is. Everything.
>
>>Did not
>>Roland and his fellow travelers have to pass through the thinny in Blaine
>>the Mono,
>
>No. They didn't. They passed over a destroyed area of the planet, not
>through a thinny. Re-read. A thinny has a shimmer quality and makes that
>irritating noise. They never even came close to a thinny while they were
>on Blaine.
>
>>you could say that Blaine protected them, but that
>>doesn't explain the fact that they also had to walk through one on the
>>highway in W&G.
>
>They didn't. They walked very close to a thinny, never into it.
Jonathan Meyer
Chris Augustine wrote in message,
>>Did not
>>Roland and his fellow travelers have to pass through the thinny in Blaine
>>the Mono,
>
>No. They didn't. They passed over a destroyed area of the planet, not
>through a thinny. Re-read. A thinny has a shimmer quality and makes that
>irritating noise. They never even came close to a thinny while they were
>on Blaine.
>
Yes, they did pass over a destroyed area of the planet, but that doesn't
explain how they ended up in Topeka. I'm not sure if it was Topeka, but I
know that they left Mid-World and ended up in the world of the Stand. Roland
made the comment about feeling a shift or something while in Blaine and the
group all said that they were too concentrated on defeating Blaine. So the
possibility was never ruled out. And if they didn't pass through one, how
the heck did the end up in the world of the Stand?
Jon
Jonathan Meyer
Chris Augustine wrote :
>There is a difference between a door and thinny. A door cleanly connects
>worlds. A thinny is merely a weak spot in reality, it connects nothing.
>Even if they had gone through a thinny while on board Blaine, why would
>they end up going straight through to another world? They wouldn't. Is
>there any example of a thinny connecting worlds? No. Any reason to
>believe a thinny connects worlds? No. So, I'll say it one more time:
>Roland and the ka-tet have never traveled through a thinny.
>
>Chris Augustine
I stand corrected. =-)
Jon Meyer
Chris Augustine
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:14:33 -0500, "Jonathan Meyer" <the...@millnet.net>
wrote:
> I stand corrected. =-)
Woah! I don't think I've ever actually won a debate on ABSK before. I was
actually anticipating a long,drawn out argument, with a stand-off
conclusion, oneof those "agree to disagree" type of things. I don't think
ANYONE's ever "stood corrected", in any form on ABSK before. Well, that's
probably an exaggeration, but it doesn't happen to often. You're one of
the few, the proud, the standing corrected. :)
Jonathan Meyer
Chris Augustine wrote :
>
>> I stand corrected. =-)
>
>Woah! I don't think I've ever actually won a debate on ABSK before. I was
>actually anticipating a long,drawn out argument, with a stand-off
>conclusion, oneof those "agree to disagree" type of things. I don't think
>ANYONE's ever "stood corrected", in any form on ABSK before. Well, that's
>probably an exaggeration, but it doesn't happen to often. You're one of
>the few, the proud, the standing corrected. :)
>
>Chris Augustine
Well, I could have gotten more involved. I mean.. there is technically
nothing to support you're idea either. Yes, it could very well be some
glam.. but hey, who knows? But I dug up the book and hunted around and found
that section where the thinny and stuff is talked about and you're right. I
was wrong. Although.. to be a stickler, (Since you made it sound so
inviting..), I don't think anything was said to make either of us right or
wrong.
It simply makes sense. If a thinny destroyed everything in Roland's
past, why would it transport someone into the world of the Stand. It
wouldn't. It would have destroyed Blaine and Roland and Co. So.. it makes
sense. On that point I don't disagree.. but how excatly they got into the
world of the Stand was never fully explained.. so there! =-)
Jon Meyer
GigiloAunt
>but how excatly they got into the
>world of the Stand was never fully explained.. so there! =-)
>
>
Why Flagg is there is also not fully explained. We should keep in mind that
perhaps there is no connection, other than an author having fun. As for how
they got into the World of the stand, if time is breaking down, perhaps king
sees time as what is keeping the worls apart, that somehow all dimensions
exist, but a re seperated by what has happened in them. They have gone off on
different timelines. Maybe those lines converge at the Dark Tower, so weird
things happen there. Or maybe the Dark Tower is incidental, and the lines are
running through each other or some other such thing.
Rich
"Man, when thou seest the comet, know that another seeketh besides thee nor
ever findeth out."---Dunsany---
Scott Leis
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:03:03 GMT, chri...@usa.net (Chris Augustine)
wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:14:33 -0500, "Jonathan Meyer" <the...@millnet.net>
>wrote:
>
>> I stand corrected. =-)
>
>Woah! I don't think I've ever actually won a debate on ABSK before. I was
>actually anticipating a long,drawn out argument, with a stand-off
>conclusion, oneof those "agree to disagree" type of things. I don't think
>ANYONE's ever "stood corrected", in any form on ABSK before. Well, that's
>probably an exaggeration, but it doesn't happen to often. You're one of
>the few, the proud, the standing corrected. :)
Don't get too confident. :-)
I agree that they didn't go through a thinny, although I don't think
DT4 was totally clear about it - after they left Blaine, there were a
couple of times that I got the impression that they were walking
through the thinny, although the book didn't actually say so.
As for Topeka, I _don't_ think that was a glamour. I think they did
actually pass through some sort of doorway while in Blaine, and Topeka
was a small part of a world very similar to that of The Stand, but not
quite the same. Alternatively, rather than passing through a doorway
Topeka may have been visible simply because the thinny made two worlds
so close together that they merged in some way.
The glass palace, I think, was a creation of Flagg's.
Shwade 2
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Sven Anders Robbestad
On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:37:07 GMT, chri...@usa.net (Chris Augustine)
wrote:
>It was a glamour, created by Flagg. They never actually left Mid-World,
>they just stepped into one of Flagg's spells. He may have felt a shift,
>that was when they passed from their own Mid-world, into Flagg's spell.
>They have never gone through a thinny. I'll repeat, for emphasis, they
>have never gone through a thinny.
I agree with all the above, of course, but I wonder about why a lot of
people seem to think Roland et co. passed through to the world of the
Stand. Where is the evidence to support that notion?
- Sven
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Chris Augustine
On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:35:04 -0400, "Cujosmaster" <Cujos...@juno.com>
wrote:
>
>Then how did they get into the world of the stand? A thinny is a thin place
>in temporal fabric. Logic states that it doesn't retreat from a place it
>has already eaten. How did they get into the world of the stand?
I've answered this twice by email, but I'll do it again for the benefit of
the group. They never actually travelled to Topeka. It was all a spell
created by Flagg; it was an illusion, a glamour, like the image of Rhea
that Roland saw in his mother's bedroom mirror.
Robert Lancaster
Sven Anders Robbestad wrote in message <35860fda...@news.online.no>...
>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:19:52 -0400, "Cujosmaster"
><Cujos...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>If you're right it begs the question: why did the thinny in the valley
>obliterate the men who walked into it, and why did Roland's party
>survive in one? Are there different levels of the thinny? When does it
>start removing everything in its path?
>
Possibly they're like the gateway things the Tommyknockers used to move
David to
Altair 4. IIRC, Bobbi later tells Gard that they have no control over where
they come
out, maybe they could come out in empty space or the heart of a sun.
Maybe a thinny is similar.
Rob
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I hope I'm not mistaken, but wasnt it a world similar to the stand and not
the actual world?
I thought that in this one the dark man had won..
- Rachel
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In article <6m7nnm$a...@nnrp2.farm.idt.net>,
"Jonathan Meyer" <the...@millnet.net> wrote:
> Yes, they did pass over a destroyed area of the planet, but that doesn't
> explain how they ended up in Topeka. I'm not sure if it was Topeka, but I
> know that they left Mid-World and ended up in the world of the Stand. Roland
> made the comment about feeling a shift or something while in Blaine and the
> group all said that they were too concentrated on defeating Blaine. So the
> possibility was never ruled out. And if they didn't pass through one, how
> the heck did the end up in the world of the Stand?
>
> Jon
>
>
When I read Wizard & Glass and they crossed over into The Stand...That's when
I figured out that Sliders is based in part of this series...
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Chris Augustine wrote in message <35881946.14008045@news>...
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:22:32 -0500, "Jonathan Meyer" <the...@millnet.net>
wrote:
>
>Chris Augustine wrote in message,
>>>Did not
>>>Roland and his fellow travelers have to pass through the thinny in Blaine
>>>the Mono,
>>
>>No. They didn't. They passed over a destroyed area of the planet, not
>>through a thinny. Re-read. A thinny has a shimmer quality and makes that
>>irritating noise. They never even came close to a thinny while they were
>>on Blaine.
>>
>
> Yes, they did pass over a destroyed area of the planet, but that doesn't
>explain how they ended up in Topeka. I'm not sure if it was Topeka, but I
>know that they left Mid-World and ended up in the world of the Stand. Roland
>made the comment about feeling a shift or something while in Blaine and the
>group all said that they were too concentrated on defeating Blaine. So the
>possibility was never ruled out. And if they didn't pass through one, how
>the heck did the end up in the world of the Stand?
It was a glamour, created by Flagg. They never actually left Mid-World,
they just stepped into one of Flagg's spells. He may have felt a shift,
that was when they passed from their own Mid-world, into Flagg's spell.
They have never gone through a thinny. I'll repeat, for emphasis, they
have never gone through a thinny.
There is a difference between a door and thinny. A door cleanly connects
worlds. A thinny is merely a weak spot in reality, it connects nothing.
Even if they had gone through a thinny while on board Blaine, why would
they end up going straight through to another world? They wouldn't. Is
there any example of a thinny connecting worlds? No. Any reason to
believe a thinny connects worlds? No. So, I'll say it one more time:
Roland and the ka-tet have never traveled through a thinny.
Robert Crew
I'm thinking that the 'thinny' is somewhere where the barriers between
'wheres' has worn thin, similar to his lovecraftian short story 'Crouch
End' where you can pass between dimensions.
--
Robert Crew
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