What are the....
.
I have read:
Nightmares and dreamscapes
Misery (the best one yet)
The Stand (waste of time and eyestrain)
Rose Madder
Desperation (second best sofar)
Rage
the long walk
Roadwork (third best)
Running man
Thinner (a piece of crap)
and i think thats it... maybe not i dunno.
What do you suggest????????????
Dani Koffee
Looking at what you've read and what you've liked and disliked
the most, I'd suggest Regulators next (it's Desperation in an
alternate universe) and Pet Semetary after that.
You know... on a personal level i disagree pretty strongly with
your prefs and anti-prefs here, but listing it like this made
giving you an answer way easier. Great idea. Thanks.
Dani K.
Cuthbert Allgood
>The best King books.... I need to know what to read next.
>The Stand (waste of time and eyestrain)
>Desperation (second best sofar)
[CUT]
>Thinner (a piece of crap)
>What do you suggest????????????
I'd suggest you "It" and "Hearts in Atlantis", but I think "The Stand" is
one of his best works, along with "Thinner", while "Desperation" is quite
near to the bottom places...
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J OD
If you liked Desperation try Regulators. IMHO.
jodelli
Nemo
read The Shining alone at night.
Have Fun!
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in what order do think his best books are, list em for me (if you are so
bored) Thanks.
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Robert Whelan
You seem to have pretty good taste. I'd recommend the early
King.
You might want to see if you can find an early version of
_The Stand_, if you read the "Uncut" version. That's not
a great book, but a hell of a lot better than the "uncut"
which he goofed around in, and added a lot of sloppy,
stupid shit to.
You should try, based on your preferences above...
The Shining
Salem's Lot
The Dead Zone
Cujo
Different Seasons
The Gunslinger
and maybe...Firestarter.
Your Mileage May Vary:
Carrie
Needful Things (I dislike it)
IT (half and half)
Dark Tower II (Drawing of the Three)
The Green Mile (eh.)
Avoid...
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
The Regulators
Tommyknockers
Insomnia
Dark Tower III (The Wastelands)
Dark Tower IV (Wizard and Glass)
Andrew Trevors
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Really??? I found that the DT series got better and better as it progressed
.. but I guess to each their own.
Cuthbert Allgood
>Really??? I found that the DT series got better and better as it progressed
>.. but I guess to each their own.
Yeh, Robbie here hates the most recent books by Stevie-O, except for "The
Green Mile" (am I right?).
Anyway, as long as he sticks to suggesting to avoid them and nothing more,
I can disagree with him (my favourites being "Hearts in Atlantis" and "Bag
of Bones") and nothing more. To each their own, as you say.
'Bert
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"Cuthbert Allgood" <marco_s...@AWAYlibero.it> wrote in message
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> Incredible! I've heard "Andrew Trevors" <a.tr...@sympatico.ca> saying
> >Really??? I found that the DT series got better and better as it
progressed
> >.. but I guess to each their own.
>
> Yeh, Robbie here hates the most recent books by Stevie-O, except for "The
> Green Mile" (am I right?).
> Anyway, as long as he sticks to suggesting to avoid them and nothing more,
I plan on reading Heart in Atlantis sometime soon .. just have to finish the
Talisman first ... on p510 (just flipped over into California and set the
train ablaze)
Robert Whelan
> Avoid...
>
> The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
> The Regulators
> Tommyknockers
> Insomnia
> Dark Tower III (The Wastelands)
> Dark Tower IV (Wizard and Glass)
Also avoid (how could I forget)
Bag of Bones
Hearts in Atlantis.
Brainspiller
> Also avoid (how could I forget)
> Bag of Bones
> Hearts in Atlantis.
>
Cuthbert jog your memory did he?
Andrew Trevors
you just putting them on the "avoid" list to be disagreeable with others???
(honest question)
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are about, cuz i didnt ever here of them before this newsgroup.
Was the talisman worth a read, cuz i read about 100 pages and i put it down
cuz i thought it was lame up to that point (not that it couldnt have gottn
better). I started reading King when i read Rose Madder a couple years ago
(im only 19 so that was when i was 13) i have since perused(?) libraries and
stores for second copies of his books, as well admittenly scoffed a few from
my high school library, so i have a bunch i havent yet read, the talisman
and It and pet semetary amongst them. Also, is 'the breathing method' any
good? Apt Pupil, the body, shawshank were good, but my copy (stolen,
ironically?) of Different Seasons was flood damaged and is unreadable.
Which of Kings(bachman, stark) are worth me paying off my library balance to
borrow?
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Robert Whelan
> have you actually read these books and disliked them .. honestly ... or are
> you just putting them on the "avoid" list to be disagreeable with others???
> (honest question)
What about my recommendation list? Or is that obviously to be
disagreeable with others?
> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.01071...@amanda.dorsai.org...
> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Robert Whelan wrote:
> >
> > > Avoid...
> > >
> > > The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
> > > The Regulators
> > > Tommyknockers
> > > Insomnia
> > > Dark Tower III (The Wastelands)
> > > Dark Tower IV (Wizard and Glass)
> >
> > Also avoid (how could I forget)
> > Bag of Bones
> > Hearts in Atlantis.
> >
>
>
>
--
Cuthbert Allgood
>Also avoid (how could I forget)
>Bag of Bones
>Hearts in Atlantis.
...just because I've named them as my favourites,right? §;-[)>
'Bert
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Robert Whelan
> Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> >Also avoid (how could I forget)
> >Bag of Bones
> >Hearts in Atlantis.
>
> ...just because I've named them as my favourites,right? §;-[)>
Your saying so reminded me.
If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
read, I excuse you.
Andrew Trevors
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Cuthbert Allgood
I guessed...
>If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
>two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
>read, I excuse you.
I've read all King's books, except for the rare ones (of course), "The
Plant", "Dreamcatcher£" and "On Writing", waiting for me on my desk.
But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
(and "Wizard & Glass" ranks about #3).
'Bert
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bg1...@binghamton.edu
If you want to start off with a great early one, try Salem's Lot.
More than a good book, it a good *story*. I couldn't put it down, and
I had read almost everything else of King's at that point.
I have to recommend It...well, just because I have to recommend it!
Maybe try rereading the Stand after you've read some more of King's
work...I wasn't crazy about it the first time I read it either, but
after I put some other King novels in between, I reread it - and now
it's one of my favorites.
Hope this helped -
Amy
Robert Whelan
> Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> >Your saying so reminded me.
>
> I guessed...
>
> >If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
> >two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
> >read, I excuse you.
>
> I've read all King's books, except for the rare ones (of course), "The
> Plant", "Dreamcatcher£" and "On Writing", waiting for me on my desk.
> But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
> (and "Wizard & Glass" ranks about #3).
You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
It displays an incredible lack of taste, at least, and a nasty
tendency to identify with King's rage and frustration, particularly
towards women, in those stories. I sure hope you don't take King's
attitudes with you into the relationship world, or possess those
attitudes already, which King is reinforcing.
Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
Robert Whelan
> guess that answers my previous question.
I have good reasons to loathe HIT and BoB. And I can't help
be disguested by people who LOVE them. It's only natural.
Decaying Atheist
"Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
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> Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> >Your saying so reminded me.
>
> I guessed...
>
> >If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
> >two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
> >read, I excuse you.
>
> I've read all King's books, except for the rare ones (of course), "The
> Plant", "Dreamcatcher£" and "On Writing", waiting for me on my desk.
> But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
> (and "Wizard & Glass" ranks about #3).
>
>You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
>
Who are you to pass judgment on what a person can and can't like?
You did the same to me claiming I just didn't get Tolkien's works.
I see your point now. You believe your opinion is the only valid one and
that anybody who does not follow your train of thought is a troll in the
least, or even worse uncultured perhaps.
>
>It displays an incredible lack of taste, at least, and a nasty
>tendency to identify with King's rage and frustration, particularly
>towards women, in those stories. I sure hope you don't take King's
>attitudes with you into the relationship world, or possess those
>attitudes already, which King is reinforcing.
>
It doesn't display any of these things you talk about, until he explains why
he liked those books, you are making base assumptions again.
>Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
>joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
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"Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
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> Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> >Your saying so reminded me.
>
> I guessed...
>
> >If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
> >two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
> >read, I excuse you.
>
> I've read all King's books, except for the rare ones (of course), "The
> Plant", "Dreamcatcher£" and "On Writing", waiting for me on my desk.
> But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
> (and "Wizard & Glass" ranks about #3).
> You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
> It displays an incredible lack of taste, at least, and a nasty
> tendency to identify with King's rage and frustration, particularly
> towards women, in those stories. I sure hope you don't take King's
> attitudes with you into the relationship world, or possess those
> attitudes already, which King is reinforcing.
I have to disagree (if you are indeed also referring to Wizard & Glass, and
The Wastelands too), I really liked the last two installments in the DT
series, and I wouldn't consider myself to have "an incredible lack of taste,
at least, and a nasty tendence ...".
Cuthbert Allgood
And who are you to tell me? A shrink?
[CUT]
>Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
>joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
Why should I like a single joke if I say I liked a *book*, a *novel*? I
didn't remember about that particular (horrible) joke at all, until you
reminded me about it. But tell me, why do *you* use it anywhere? I guess
that, somehow, you've liked it a lot, you have written it on a piece of
paper while reading the book and then thought how to use it.
Think: what *you* think isn't necessarly the truth, the whole truth,
nothing but the truth. You have *your own* opinions, I have *my own*. Have
I ever called anyone a moron or tell he is in need of a shrink for he
liked "The Gunslinger", one of the few King's book I didn't like at all?
Has *anyone* done it? And don't name Wojo here, he is calling you a moron
for other things, 'kay?
I respect your opinions if you respect _my_ opinions.
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Robert Whelan
>
> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.01071...@amanda.dorsai.org...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Cuthbert Allgood wrote:
>
> > Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> > >Your saying so reminded me.
> >
> > I guessed...
> >
> > >If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
> > >two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
> > >read, I excuse you.
> >
> > I've read all King's books, except for the rare ones (of course), "The
> > Plant", "Dreamcatcher£" and "On Writing", waiting for me on my desk.
> > But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
> > (and "Wizard & Glass" ranks about #3).
> >
> >You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
> >
>
> Who are you to pass judgment on what a person can and can't like?
Why the hell not?
> You did the same to me claiming I just didn't get Tolkien's works.
Prove me wrong by liking them.
> I see your point now. You believe your opinion is the only valid one and
> that anybody who does not follow your train of thought is a troll in the
> least, or even worse uncultured perhaps.
Don't parade your insecurities out where we all can see them. If
you aren't a troll, or think yourself uncultured, relax and be
happy.
> >It displays an incredible lack of taste, at least, and a nasty
> >tendency to identify with King's rage and frustration, particularly
> >towards women, in those stories. I sure hope you don't take King's
> >attitudes with you into the relationship world, or possess those
> >attitudes already, which King is reinforcing.
> >
>
> It doesn't display any of these things you talk about, until he explains why
> he liked those books, you are making base assumptions again.
Well, he can always do so. If he didn't like the joke I quoted,
I'd be happy to hear that.
Decaying Atheist
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Decaying Atheist wrote:
>
> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.01071...@amanda.dorsai.org...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Cuthbert Allgood wrote:
>
> > Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> > >Your saying so reminded me.
> >
> > I guessed...
> >
> > >If you've read all King's books, you have no excuse to call those
> > >two abominations your "favorites". If they are all you have
> > >read, I excuse you.
> >
> > I've read all King's books, except for the rare ones (of course), "The
> > Plant", "Dreamcatcher£" and "On Writing", waiting for me on my desk.
> > But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
> > (and "Wizard & Glass" ranks about #3).
> >
> >You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
> >
>
> Who are you to pass judgment on what a person can and can't like?
>>Why the hell not?
I don't believe I have anything at all to prove to you. Infact I believe you
are absolutely insane if you think I do.
> You did the same to me claiming I just didn't get Tolkien's works.
>>Prove me wrong by liking them.
Why should I have to I am entitled to my opinion. You on the other hand only
find that your opinion must always be the correct one, which in this case
you are stepping over boundries your little mind shouldn't be.
> I see your point now. You believe your opinion is the only valid one and
> that anybody who does not follow your train of thought is a troll in the
> least, or even worse uncultured perhaps.
>>Don't parade your insecurities out where we all can see them. If
>>you aren't a troll, or think yourself uncultured, relax and be
>>happy.
I'm quite happy with myself, just irked that you seem to see yourself above
everybody else when I'd rate your antics here nothing but second rate. Even
the Man in the Doorway Persona has better personality.
> >It displays an incredible lack of taste, at least, and a nasty
> >tendency to identify with King's rage and frustration, particularly
> >towards women, in those stories. I sure hope you don't take King's
> >attitudes with you into the relationship world, or possess those
> >attitudes already, which King is reinforcing.
> >
>
> It doesn't display any of these things you talk about, until he explains
why
> he liked those books, you are making base assumptions again.
>>Well, he can always do so. If he didn't like the joke I quoted,
>>I'd be happy to hear that.
> >Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
> >joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
Robert get off your high pony (Seeing as you are unfit to ride a horse), go
get drunk, get laid and wake the hell up.
It's obvious you are the one that has deep problems. Not everybody is going
to follow your asinine belief system that appears to be stating that
anything King writes is an automatic attack on women, an act of pedophilia,
or just a waste of time.
I often times wonder why you bother posting here if all you are going to do
is attack people. I can't say I remember seeing a single post from you that
had anything to do with King's work other than to badmouth it, or attack
someone else's opinion.
Where you live do people have lives?
Anyway on a King related Topic I've almost finished The Girl who Loved Tom
Gordon.
P.S My wife doesn't seem to have a problem with said joke and last time I
checked she was all woman.
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Robert Whelan
> Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> >> But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two books?
> >You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
>
> And who are you to tell me? A shrink?
Exactly why did you like these books, so much that you call them
your "favorites"?
Hearts in Atlantis: Do you agree with King that "catholic girls give the
best hand jobs"? Do you think that girls are cold and should be dumped if
they don't put out, the way Carol ultimately does, but Anne Marie
doesn't, being a catholic who only gives handjobs? Do you plan to
follow this advice in your life, or ignore it? You claiming this
novel to be your "favorite" implies that you think this sort of
thing is good, and that King's attitude towards women is good,
and his attitude about how they should behave towards men. Do
you like his attitude because you are young and horny, and would
really like someone like Carol to spread her legs for you, and are
impatient with uptight girls like Anne Marie? Do you agree that
the ideal girlfriend is someone who is a carbon copy of you, and
likes exactly the same movies as you, and laughs at stupid locker
room jokes about hot dog men with hardons, like a guy would?
Do you agree, as the story fantasy provides, that girls who don't
stay with you and keep giving you that good loving, are misguided,
and likely seduced by ugly, smelly radicals into dangerous radical
activities?
Did you identify with Pete as he described how annoying and
pimply and unhygienic all his classmates were? Do you also
enjoy seeing the bad sides of other people and sneering at them?
Do you think King's portrait of Bobby's mom as a hysterical psycho
was realistic? Was your mom kinda like this? Do you appreciate King
painting this portrait? Did you enjoy disliking Bobby's mom for
being so psycho? Did you enjoy identifying with Ted, the reasonable
male, against the hysterical psychotic female? Do you enjoy the
fantasy that Ted provides, a totally innocent male, being blamed
for the behavior of psycho rapists by a hysterical woman? Do
you feel you are blameless in your real life, just like Ted
and Bobby, and that everything is the fault of women?
Bag of Bones: Do you enjoy porno three way sex dreams with ghosts?
do you enjoy graphic porno rape scenes? Did you go "Oo! Cool! I've
never seen that in a book before!" Well, you need to find a seedy
video store in a big city somewhere near you, and you'll find
out where King got his inspiration from for those scenes.
Honestly, if you think this is a "favorite", you need to
go back and reread Salem's Lot, because you'll find that BoB
falls back on a lot of Salem's Lot's plot elements, only
badly. Everything in BoB that you might have enjoyed is
present in Salem's Lot, only better, right down to the
clicking bones of the supervillain at the end. The only
thing Salem's Lot doesn't have is the pornography.
If you could, could you tell me what it was about Bag of Bones
that you liked BETTER than Salem's Lot?
Robert Whelan
> > >Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
> > >joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
> Anyway on a King related Topic I've almost finished The Girl who Loved Tom
> Gordon.
And you thought it a work of genius, and you loved Trisha, and thought
her VERY realistic, and you couldn't put it down, right? And you
thought it really well written too, right?
> P.S My wife doesn't seem to have a problem with said joke and last time I
> checked she was all woman.
What did you do, go up to her, wheedling and whining, "Honey, you
aren't really offended by this joke, are you?"
So what if she didn't find it offensive. It IS offensive. There
are black people who don't mind jokes about how stupid black
people are. That doesn't make it ok to tell them.
Why don't you go read the porno scenes from Bag of Bones
and Hearts in Atlantis to your wife, and ask her what she
thinks of them.
Some women would be okay with you sleeping with Aids infected
prostitutes, and then coming back to them. Doesn't make it okay
to do it.
Decaying Atheist
"Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
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>
> > Incredible! I've heard Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> saying
> > >> But tell me, why am I now *allowed* to like these particular two
books?
> > >You are now NOT allowed to like those particular books, as "favorites".
> >
> > And who are you to tell me? A shrink?
>
> Exactly why did you like these books, so much that you call them
> your "favorites"?
>
> Hearts in Atlantis: Do you agree with King that "catholic girls give the
> best hand jobs"? Do you think that girls are cold and should be dumped if
> they don't put out, the way Carol ultimately does, but Anne Marie
> doesn't, being a catholic who only gives handjobs? Do you plan to
> follow this advice in your life, or ignore it? You claiming this
> novel to be your "favorite" implies that you think this sort of
> thing is good, and that King's attitude towards women is good,
No accepting the novel as good does not mean he believes the attitude King
protrays within his characters is good. Maybe he likes it for the writing,
the craftsmanship and the story being told. What is your fasicnation with
sex that you have to bring it up in nearly every single post I've read from
you?
> and his attitude about how they should behave towards men. Do
> you like his attitude because you are young and horny, and would
> really like someone like Carol to spread her legs for you, and are
> impatient with uptight girls like Anne Marie? Do you agree that
> the ideal girlfriend is someone who is a carbon copy of you, and
> likes exactly the same movies as you, and laughs at stupid locker
> room jokes about hot dog men with hardons, like a guy would?
> Do you agree, as the story fantasy provides, that girls who don't
> stay with you and keep giving you that good loving, are misguided,
> and likely seduced by ugly, smelly radicals into dangerous radical
> activities?
> Did you identify with Pete as he described how annoying and
> pimply and unhygienic all his classmates were? Do you also
> enjoy seeing the bad sides of other people and sneering at them?
> Do you think King's portrait of Bobby's mom as a hysterical psycho
> was realistic? Was your mom kinda like this? Do you appreciate King
> painting this portrait?
Robert there are people like that, I don't think King has gone to far on
either end with most of his characters in any novel.
People range in emotions they don't just sit in your state of prepetual
annoyance because you can't get your rocks off trying to prove someone wrong
for liking or disliking a piece of ficition.
Did you enjoy disliking Bobby's mom for
> being so psycho? Did you enjoy identifying with Ted, the reasonable
> male, against the hysterical psychotic female? Do you enjoy the
> fantasy that Ted provides, a totally innocent male, being blamed
> for the behavior of psycho rapists by a hysterical woman? Do
> you feel you are blameless in your real life, just like Ted
> and Bobby, and that everything is the fault of women?
>
> Bag of Bones: Do you enjoy porno three way sex dreams with ghosts?
> do you enjoy graphic porno rape scenes? Did you go "Oo! Cool! I've
> never seen that in a book before!" Well, you need to find a seedy
> video store in a big city somewhere near you, and you'll find
> out where King got his inspiration from for those scenes.
> Honestly, if you think this is a "favorite", you need to
> go back and reread Salem's Lot, because you'll find that BoB
> falls back on a lot of Salem's Lot's plot elements, only
> badly. Everything in BoB that you might have enjoyed is
> present in Salem's Lot, only better, right down to the
> clicking bones of the supervillain at the end. The only
> thing Salem's Lot doesn't have is the pornography.
>
> If you could, could you tell me what it was about Bag of Bones
> that you liked BETTER than Salem's Lot?
>
>
Decaying Atheist
"Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.21.010713...@amanda.dorsai.org...
>
> > > >Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
> > > >joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
>
> > Anyway on a King related Topic I've almost finished The Girl who Loved
Tom
> > Gordon.
>
> And you thought it a work of genius, and you loved Trisha, and thought
> her VERY realistic, and you couldn't put it down, right? And you
> thought it really well written too, right?
>
No I didn't think it a work of genius, perhaps the last true work of genius
King had was The Stand, but it was decent.
Trisha was frankly an annoying character at points, and did things that a
girl her age probably wouldn't have had the knowledge to do.
Was it well written, not really but was it the worst novel I've ever read
not by a long shot.
> > P.S My wife doesn't seem to have a problem with said joke and last time
I
> > checked she was all woman.
>
> What did you do, go up to her, wheedling and whining, "Honey, you
> aren't really offended by this joke, are you?"
> So what if she didn't find it offensive. It IS offensive. There
> are black people who don't mind jokes about how stupid black
> people are. That doesn't make it ok to tell them.
>
No infact she came up over my shoulder while I was replying to you and read
what was on the screen. I don't go running around looking for other people's
opinions as a means of shooting down your theories.
Why doesn't it make it okay, explain your logic there. A joke is a joke is a
joke, now get over yourself Robert.
> Why don't you go read the porno scenes from Bag of Bones
> and Hearts in Atlantis to your wife, and ask her what she
> thinks of them.
>
Sure why not, are you such a prude that porno gives you the creeps is that
it? You believe porn is an act of subjegating women perhaps? Mind you I
would venture to say most of the women in porn now a days did so because
they wished to do so not because some man strong armed them into the
business.
> Some women would be okay with you sleeping with Aids infected
> prostitutes, and then coming back to them. Doesn't make it okay
> to do it.
>
That's a moral issue and hardly on the same line as reading and enjoying a
work of fiction now is it Robert?
Quit being over dramatic and go write up a review on some King work, blast
away the slimly evil perverse nature of King, so you and Boy in the Closet
can have your chuckles at us so called inferiors.
Robert Whelan
>
> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.010713...@amanda.dorsai.org...
> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Decaying Atheist wrote:
> >
> > > > >Remember "Woman who fly upside-down have crack up" isn't a funny
> > > > >joke, and if you think so, you'd better get some help.
> >
> > > Anyway on a King related Topic I've almost finished The Girl who Loved
> Tom
> > > Gordon.
> >
> > And you thought it a work of genius, and you loved Trisha, and thought
> > her VERY realistic, and you couldn't put it down, right? And you
> > thought it really well written too, right?
> >
>
> No I didn't think it a work of genius, perhaps the last true work of genius
> King had was The Stand, but it was decent.
> Trisha was frankly an annoying character at points, and did things that a
> girl her age probably wouldn't have had the knowledge to do.
> Was it well written, not really but was it the worst novel I've ever read
> not by a long shot.
Whew! See? You do have some perspective. You need not worry...you
probably have good taste.
> > Some women would be okay with you sleeping with Aids infected
> > prostitutes, and then coming back to them. Doesn't make it okay
> > to do it.
> >
>
> That's a moral issue and hardly on the same line as reading and enjoying a
> work of fiction now is it Robert?
Yes, fiction, by it's very nature, is incapable of affecting the
minds that are deliberately involving themselves in that fiction.
You are very sure of this?
Robert Whelan
> No I didn't think it a work of genius, perhaps the last true work of genius
> King had was The Stand, but it was decent.
> Trisha was frankly an annoying character at points, and did things that a
> girl her age probably wouldn't have had the knowledge to do.
> Was it well written, not really but was it the worst novel I've ever read
> not by a long shot.
Good man, there's hope for you.
> > > P.S My wife doesn't seem to have a problem with said joke and last time
> I
> > > checked she was all woman.
> >
> > What did you do, go up to her, wheedling and whining, "Honey, you
> > aren't really offended by this joke, are you?"
> > So what if she didn't find it offensive. It IS offensive. There
> > are black people who don't mind jokes about how stupid black
> > people are. That doesn't make it ok to tell them.
> >
>
> No infact she came up over my shoulder while I was replying to you and read
> what was on the screen. I don't go running around looking for other people's
> opinions as a means of shooting down your theories.
>
> Why doesn't it make it okay, explain your logic there. A joke is a joke is a
> joke, now get over yourself Robert.
Your wife hasn't read the joke in the context of the whiny, angry novel.
Wojo
from Robert Whelan, who said:
>> > What did you do, go up to her, wheedling and whining, "Honey, you
>> > aren't really offended by this joke, are you?"
>> > So what if she didn't find it offensive. It IS offensive. There
>> > are black people who don't mind jokes about how stupid black
>> > people are. That doesn't make it ok to tell them.
>> >
>>
>> No infact she came up over my shoulder while I was replying to you and read
>> what was on the screen. I don't go running around looking for other people's
>> opinions as a means of shooting down your theories.
>>
>> Why doesn't it make it okay, explain your logic there. A joke is a joke is a
>> joke, now get over yourself Robert.
>
>Your wife hasn't read the joke in the context of the whiny, angry novel.
Nope. She was too busy satisfying him sexually while you fantasized
about 12 year old boys.
Wojo
Robert Whelan
IDAWTP
Cuthbert Allgood
>Exactly why did you like these books, so much that you call them
>your "favorites"?
The story. What happens to the characters. The way Mike Noonan's mourn is
described and worked out. The unexpected turns of events. For "HiA", the
thin line between dream and wake...
>Hearts in Atlantis: Do you agree with King that "catholic girls give the
>best hand jobs"?
No. Or at least, I don't know.
>Do you think that girls are cold and should be dumped if
>they don't put out,
No.
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>Do you plan to follow this advice in your life, or ignore it?
Living in a Catholic country (remember, I'm Italian), I think the 90% of
the girls I've met and I'll meet have been at least grown the Catholic way
(never mind what they have chosen when they have reached the age to
choose). But fuck what you call "advice".
>You claiming this
>novel to be your "favorite" implies that you think this sort of
>thing is good, and that King's attitude towards women is good,
>and his attitude about how they should behave towards men.
No, I think the way King writes is good, the story he wrote is very good
and gripping. Or you think that I am a fucking Nazi for I liked "Apt
Pupil"?
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>Do you agree that
>the ideal girlfriend is someone who is a carbon copy of you,
Why should I?
>and likes exactly the same movies as you,
No, I literally hate her favourite musicians...
>and laughs at stupid locker
>room jokes about hot dog men with hardons, like a guy would?
_I_ don't laugh at such jokes, or at least I don't use to.
>Do you agree, as the story fantasy provides, that girls who don't
>stay with you and keep giving you that good loving, are misguided,
>and likely seduced by ugly, smelly radicals into dangerous radical
>activities?
What if *I* was an "ugly, smelly radical"? And anyway, I didn't see any
criticism from King about Carol Gerber's choice to follow them.
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>Do you also
>enjoy seeing the bad sides of other people and sneering at them?
Not as much as YOU are doing now.
> Do you think King's portrait of Bobby's mom as a hysterical psycho
>was realistic? Was your mom kinda like this? Do you appreciate King
>painting this portrait?
Yes, I've known such people (and I've read about one, in your be-loved
"Carrie"). No, luckily my mother is not like this at all, even if she,
like anyone else, has her flaws. And yes, I appreciate how King portraits
that psycho woman: I find it realistic. Unpleasant, but realistic. You
can't see only good in life, THIS is not realistic.
>Did you enjoy disliking Bobby's mom for being so psycho?
Why should I have *enjoyed* disliking someone? I've enjoyed reading the
book. The WHOLE book, not only one single aspect of it.
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>Do you feel you are blameless in your real life, just like Ted
>and Bobby, and that everything is the fault of women?
I'm not blameless, and women share their part of fault with men, for we
are all human beings, women and men, homosexual and etherosexual,
Caucasians, Afro-Americans, Native Americans etcetera. I am 26, not a
child anymore. Of course I may have not all the experience you have, but
I'm not - I repeat I'm NOT - an idiot. So please, please, Robbie, try to
see things in a *neutral* way: you hate my favourite novel. OK, rite, you
have the right to do it just like I have the right to love it. Or do we
have to face one each other in the Main Street at noon, with smoking guns?
>Bag of Bones: Do you enjoy porno three way sex dreams with ghosts?
*Porno* sex dreams with *ghosts*?
First of all, I think you have somehow a strange idea of *pornography*. Or
maybe *I* have a strange one. Anyway, in that book, I've read about a
widower dreaming of his dead wife. For they were man and wife, they surely
have had sex (wasn't she pregnant?), for having sex is a part of it. Not
the main part, not the most important part, but a part of it all the same.
That man is in a place that reminds him of his dead wife. He dreams of
her. I think it is normal. Hell, when my grandma died I dreamed for a week
about eating that special pasta she used to cook! But here we ain't
talking about a grandma, but about a wife. Mike Noonan dreams of making
love to his wife, nothing more. Only, his wife is dead. He dreams of her
and of something they used to do lawfully.
>Did you enjoy graphic porno rape scenes?
I can't see what are you referring to.
>Did you go "Oo! Cool! I've never seen that in a book before!"
>Well, you need to find a seedy
>video store in a big city somewhere near you, and you'll find
>out where King got his inspiration from for those scenes.
I live in a relatively big town, and anyway I know what yau are referring
to. Don't you think he could have gotten his inspiration from his personal
life (aye, Tabitha is alive and well, I am referring only to the sex
scenes)?
> Honestly, if you think this is a "favorite", you need to
>go back and reread Salem's Lot,
Just done, and with your precious compared analisis of the two books
handy. I think that you are right, there is *some* similarity between the
two books, but not so clear to be a simple bad carbon copy...
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> If you could, could you tell me what it was about Bag of Bones
>that you liked BETTER than Salem's Lot?
The characters. Their being [I can't find the right English expression for
what I mean, I have to use other words] "real". Their being worried for
something not directly linked to the plot of the novel itself, like real
people. For I'm not sure if I've been clear, I'll try to use an example:
I'm writing a fictional book about Robert Whelan and his love-hate
relationship with Wojo. If I talk only about this relationship and topics
directly linked to it, for instance this ABSK and the people in it, I'm
writing "Salem's Lot". But if I point out that my main character Robert
Whelan has in his mind something not necessarily linked to Wojo (a job, a
wife or girlfriend, a family, some friends, a home...) I'm writing "Bag of
Bones". Maybe (just an idea) King *knew* he was inspired by his own
"Salem's Lot", just he wanted to write a different, "deeper" story. Is it
possible? (maybe not)
logorroic 'Bert
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Robert Whelan
> >Bag of Bones: Do you enjoy porno three way sex dreams with ghosts?
>
> *Porno* sex dreams with *ghosts*?
> First of all, I think you have somehow a strange idea of *pornography*. Or
> maybe *I* have a strange one. Anyway, in that book, I've read about a
> widower dreaming of his dead wife. For they were man and wife, they surely
> have had sex (wasn't she pregnant?), for having sex is a part of it. Not
> the main part, not the most important part, but a part of it all the same.
> That man is in a place that reminds him of his dead wife. He dreams of
> her. I think it is normal. Hell, when my grandma died I dreamed for a week
> about eating that special pasta she used to cook! But here we ain't
> talking about a grandma, but about a wife. Mike Noonan dreams of making
> love to his wife, nothing more. Only, his wife is dead. He dreams of her
> and of something they used to do lawfully.
Interesting. Did you read an Italian translation? sounds like some
key scenes have been snipped.
> >Did you enjoy graphic porno rape scenes?
>
> I can't see what are you referring to.
Again, it sounds like your version has had some scenes snipped.
> > If you could, could you tell me what it was about Bag of Bones
> >that you liked BETTER than Salem's Lot?
>
> The characters. Their being [I can't find the right English expression for
> what I mean, I have to use other words] "real".
How are they MORE "real" than the characters in Salem's Lot?
Their being worried for
> something not directly linked to the plot of the novel itself, like real
> people.
Salem's Lot is STUFFED with "real" people, worried about real-life things,
not directly linked to the plot of the novel itself. It's got MORE
of this material than Bag of Bones.
Robert Whelan
Hmmm. Let me be more clear. IDNAWTP
Brainspiller
> > > Nope. She was too busy satisfying him sexually while you fantasized
> > > about 12 year old boys.
> >
> > IDAWTP
>
> Hmmm. Let me be more clear. IDNAWTP
>
Lol.
Indecisive as well as a paedophiliac? :-)
Cuthbert Allgood
>key scenes have been snipped.
No, I've read the N.E.L. edition, for I know our "official" translator is
not good. And snips a lot. If you have some time, take a look at
www.insideview.it on "Nequito's Corner": it is a section about
translations. On the number on line tomorrow, we talk about "Cujo".
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>> The characters. Their being [I can't find the right English expression for
>> what I mean, I have to use other words] "real".
>How are they MORE "real" than the characters in Salem's Lot?
Read below...
> Their being worried for
>> something not directly linked to the plot of the novel itself, like real
>> people.
>Salem's Lot is STUFFED with "real" people, worried about real-life things,
>not directly linked to the plot of the novel itself. It's got MORE
>of this material than Bag of Bones.
Not directly linked to the novel itself? I haven't seen that, or at least
less than in the more recent novels. And yes: Signet edition.
'Bert
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Microsoft Gump 2K1
corrupted it by replying:
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> > > about 12 year old boys.
> >
> > IDAWTP
>
> Hmmm. Let me be more clear. IDNAWTP
No Rob, it ain't that easy... I think that was a Freudian slip there...
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Wojo
Wojo
LOL!
You Damned Near Agree With This Post? The Damned Near being because I
used the plural for boy and it was only one?
Wojo
Robert Whelan
> 'Twas an relatively innocent post from Robert Whelan before I saw it and
> corrupted it by replying:
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> > > > about 12 year old boys.
> > >
> > > IDAWTP
> >
> > Hmmm. Let me be more clear. IDNAWTP
>
> No Rob, it ain't that easy... I think that was a Freudian slip there...
No, no, no. D can stand for "Do" or "Don't". Since I was
obviously trying to say something different than the normal
"IAWTP", it is, of course, obvious I was using D to stand
for "don't". All reasonable people will agree. As for
the rest, ICDNAWTP.
Robert Whelan
IDNAWTP!
Brainspiller
> > > > > about 12 year old boys.
> > > >
> > > > IDAWTP
> > >
> > > Hmmm. Let me be more clear. IDNAWTP
> >
> > No Rob, it ain't that easy... I think that was a Freudian slip there...
>
> No, no, no. D can stand for "Do" or "Don't". Since I was
> obviously trying to say something different than the normal
> "IAWTP", it is, of course, obvious I was using D to stand
> for "don't". All reasonable people will agree. As for
> the rest, ICDNAWTP.
>
But "don't" isnt a real word anyway...nobody shortens dont to 'd'...no, no,
i think mr gump was onto something there...
Did the IDAWTP remind you of your homelife? Do you agree that IDAWTP should
be dumped cos she wont put out?
Do you agree with IDAWTP that "catholic girls give the best hand jobs"? You
claiming that you said IDAWTP implies that you think this sort of thing is
good, and that youre attitude towards IDNAWTP is good, and his attitude
about how they should behave towards ICDNAWTP. Do you like this attitude
because you are young and horny, and would
really like someone like IDAWTP to spread her legs for you, and are
impatient with IDNAWTP? Do you agree that
IDAWTP is someone who is a carbon copy of you, and likes exactly the same
movies as you, and laughs at stupid locker
room jokes about IDNAWTP with hardons, like ICDNAWTP would? Did you identify
with IDAWTP as he described how annoying and pimply and unhygienic IDNAWTP
is? Do you also enjoy seeing the bad sides of other people and sneering at
them?
Robert Whelan
> Finally! I have proof that reality is screwed up! The proof comes
> from Robert Whelan, who said:
>
> >On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Wojo wrote:
> >
> >> Finally! I have proof that reality is screwed up! The proof comes
> >> from Robert Whelan, who said:
> >>
> >> >> > What did you do, go up to her, wheedling and whining, "Honey, you
> >> >> > aren't really offended by this joke, are you?"
> >> >> > So what if she didn't find it offensive. It IS offensive. There
> >> >> > are black people who don't mind jokes about how stupid black
> >> >> > people are. That doesn't make it ok to tell them.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> No infact she came up over my shoulder while I was replying to you and read
> >> >> what was on the screen. I don't go running around looking for other people's
> >> >> opinions as a means of shooting down your theories.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why doesn't it make it okay, explain your logic there. A joke is a joke is a
> >> >> joke, now get over yourself Robert.
> >> >
> >> >Your wife hasn't read the joke in the context of the whiny, angry novel.
> >>
> >> Nope. She was too busy satisfying him sexually while you fantasized
> >> about 12 year old boys.
> >
> >IDAWTP
>
> You DO Agree With This Post?
>
> I thunk as much.
Backtracking in the thread to make a clever response is lame, Wojo.
Microsoft Gump 2K1
corrupted it by replying:
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> No, no, no. D can stand for "Do" or "Don't". Since I was
> obviously trying to say something different than the normal
> "IAWTP", it is, of course, obvious I was using D to stand
> for "don't". All reasonable people will agree. As for
> the rest, ICDNAWTP.
You seem to be getting a bit worked up there, Robbo... chill out.
Microsoft Gump 2K1
corrupted it by replying:
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> > Indecisive as well as a paedophiliac? :-)
>
> IDNAWTP!
... I Do *Notoriously* Agree With This Post...?
Robert Whelan
> But "don't" isnt a real word anyway...nobody shortens dont to 'd'...no, no,
> i think mr gump was onto something there...
> Did the IDAWTP remind you of your homelife? Do you agree that IDAWTP should
> be dumped cos she wont put out?
> Do you agree with IDAWTP that "catholic girls give the best hand jobs"? You
> claiming that you said IDAWTP implies that you think this sort of thing is
> good, and that youre attitude towards IDNAWTP is good, and his attitude
> about how they should behave towards ICDNAWTP. Do you like this attitude
> because you are young and horny, and would
> really like someone like IDAWTP to spread her legs for you, and are
> impatient with IDNAWTP? Do you agree that
> IDAWTP is someone who is a carbon copy of you, and likes exactly the same
> movies as you, and laughs at stupid locker
> room jokes about IDNAWTP with hardons, like ICDNAWTP would? Did you identify
> with IDAWTP as he described how annoying and pimply and unhygienic IDNAWTP
> is? Do you also enjoy seeing the bad sides of other people and sneering at
> them?
It's delightful when someone pays such close attention to one of my
posts, as to so heavily paraphrase it in one of their own!
Robert Whelan
> 'Twas an relatively innocent post from Robert Whelan before I saw it and
> corrupted it by replying:
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> > No, no, no. D can stand for "Do" or "Don't". Since I was
> > obviously trying to say something different than the normal
> > "IAWTP", it is, of course, obvious I was using D to stand
> > for "don't". All reasonable people will agree. As for
> > the rest, ICDNAWTP.
>
> You seem to be getting a bit worked up there, Robbo... chill out.
Uh, I despise acronymns. I'm goofing around.
--
Wojo
Congratulations Brainspiller...you've just spilled my brains.
Wojo
Wojo
Brainspiller
Paraphrase? My good man, I just copied, pasted, got bored, went to watch
tv...
To accuse me of paraphrasing you...thats sick...ew, its like rape, incest,
necrophilia and Michael Jackson all roled into one!
Brainspiller
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Wojo
from Brainspiller, who said:
Well, I don't really need 'em for Usenet...
Wojo
Brainspiller
> >> Congratulations Brainspiller...you've just spilled my brains.
> >>
> >> Wojo
> >
> >Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>
> Well, I don't really need 'em for Usenet...
>
Yeah, but didnt it hurt? Just a little? Aw, go on, say it hurt a little?
*evil grin*
But, regardless, your comment intrigued me :-)
Wojo
from Brainspiller, who said:
>
>> >> Congratulations Brainspiller...you've just spilled my brains.
>> >>
>> >> Wojo
>> >
>> >Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>
>> Well, I don't really need 'em for Usenet...
>>
>
>Yeah, but didnt it hurt? Just a little? Aw, go on, say it hurt a little?
>*evil grin*
Nah...sorry...no pain.
>But, regardless, your comment intrigued me :-)
Hmmmmmm......
Wojo
Microsoft Gump 2K1
corrupted it by replying:
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> > You seem to be getting a bit worked up there, Robbo... chill out.
>
> Uh, I despise acronymns. I'm goofing around.
It's nice to see you taking it easy... I feel a bit more relaxed when
everyone else is too.
Brainspiller
> >Yeah, but didnt it hurt? Just a little? Aw, go on, say it hurt a little?
> >*evil grin*
Ah, daym. *stamps feet*.
> Nah...sorry...no pain.
>
> >But, regardless, your comment intrigued me :-)
>
> Hmmmmmm......
>
> Wojo
May as well stroke your beard in a wise looking way while you at it...
Cuthbert Allgood
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Guys, it's good to have such a clue to study my philology...
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Cuthbert Allgood
I guess it's quite a good thing: you had to find 'em for him, and
apparently you did... §:-[Ş>
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King's Constant Readers. Read the English version
"The cards fall where they fall, the world never misses a beat"
Stephen King
Brainspiller
> Guys, it's good to have such a clue to study my philology...
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> 'Bert
Sorry, i really dont understand what that means :-)