thoughts on SOTC--so far
NettiesArk
carried away and took too long to say his piece. I usually enjoy his
introductions, but I really didn't care for this one at all. He could have said
it in a lot less words. Maybe I've been reading Robert too much, but King came
across as very "big headed" in this one.
The play itself is taking some getting use to for me. It's very distracting.
Especially that weather lady! She's making me lose my train of thought. No
weather report goes on this long, does it?
It's very jumpy also, moving all over town. I guess it will get better as it
goes on.
Annette
Dvddaddy2
>Well, I dragged through the introduction, preface,whatever
I agree on the inroduction Nettie. It was really slow. And coulda been cut in
half. SK wrote a great introduction to the SHAWSHANK script. To bad he couldnt
do so here.
>She's making me lose my train of thought. No
>weather report goes on this long, does it?
Yeah he went into alot of detail here describing what is in the film
essentially background noise. The ONLY part i rememebr from the film was her
syasing "Death Destruction and armageddon by dawn" or whatever." Still it was
interesting because in a bizzar way it corrolates to what your seeing on
screen.
>It's very jumpy also, moving all over town. I guess it will get better as it
Well you have to remember you've essentially read the first 30 minutes of the
film.
In a film you always wanna spend the first 30 minutes setting up all your
carachters and the problem. Using that mold what you've read fits perfectly.
We know theres a storm coming.
We know about 90 about all the main carachters and thier interactions. We know
who is friends we know who isn't.
We Know Linouge isn't a member of the town and is quite possibly a monster of
unknown origin.
The setup is complete.
You've also been introduced to ALL the main locations of the movie. The gorcery
store, the jail. The shelter. The daycare. The Lighthouse, the dock.
As far as a screenplay goes everything is in place to properly continue on with
the film.
NOw, I did notice that some of the dialouge and such inside the claranden house
has been removed and changed around. Seems like Mike and hatch did thier job
alot quicker once they arrived at the scene.
AND the death of Martha Calrendan is alot less brutal in the finished film.
that's something King referenced in the intro and on his audio commentary for
the SOTC disc.
I also really really hate the "ORIGINAL NOVEL FOR TELEVISION" tag line. Whoever
thought that up should be fucking shot! It's so dumb. I mean.... he wrote a
screenplay.... like a normal one pretty much,alot more description than
regular, but a screenplay all the same.
-ANDY
"Happiness comes in small doses. Its a cigarette, a cookie, or a five second
orgasim. You smoke the butt, eat your cookie, squirt your joy juice. That's it
folks! Your mansion on a hill is just a fucking dream!"
- Dennis Leary
NettiesArk
characters.I wonder if it's because I've seen the miniseries that Linoge seems
more evil now and the feud between Mike and Beams is more tense. Also, I am
putting the faces I saw onscreen into the book.
I'm going to read more tonight since I work tomorrow. I think page 114 is the
next good cutoff, or 99 if people can't make it that far.
Annette
Dvddaddy2
>more evil now and the feud between Mike
Possibly. But in the script it seems like Linouges dialouge is really
venonomis(horrible spelling) maybe it was delivered diffrently on screen?
That's one of the true advantages of reading a screenplay you get to cast in
your head.
In my head when I think of Linoge i see Christopher Walken(and not ray park
think you Candi!) For the normal actors... I'm kinda sticking with what I saw
in the miniseries. I thought everyone did a good job. Except Casey
Siezmicko.... he'll always be DIRTY STEVE from "young guns" in my heart of
hearts.
Hey, I'd say we're doing pretty well on conversation so far right? Man. This is
going good in my book!
Ventra665
NettiesArk <netti...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I dragged through the introduction, preface,whatever. I think he got
> carried away and took too long to say his piece. I usually enjoy his
> introductions, but I really didn't care for this one at all. He could have
said
> it in a lot less words. Maybe I've been reading Robert too much, but King
came
> across as very "big headed" in this one.
> The play itself is taking some getting use to for me. It's very
distracting.
> Especially that weather lady!
I'm joining the group read, as well. Hope I'm invited andI can insert an
idea here. Since as you say, the weather report is drawn out--is it
possible that much of this report is Linoge's doing. The television has
been blown out afterall. Isn't it possible that much of what we are hearing
in this extended forecast is his fabrication. It seems that much of what
she has to say isn't what you would expect from a typical forecast,
especially the death destruction and armegedon line. Also, when do
weatherperson's break away with balogna comercials?
Any thoughts on this?
Also, a question for Andy. What does OMIT at scene 83 mean?
TIA
Ventra
She's making me lose my train of thought. No
> weather report goes on this long, does it?
> It's very jumpy also, moving all over town. I guess it will get better as
it
> goes on.
>
> Annette
Candi
wrote:
>>I wonder if it's because I've seen the miniseries that Linoge seems
>>more evil now and the feud between Mike
>
>Possibly. But in the script it seems like Linouges dialouge is really
>venonomis(horrible spelling) maybe it was delivered diffrently on screen?
Colm Feore delivered most of those lines with a soft smile, in a very
"happy/friendly manner", perhaps that's why he didn't seem so evil. I
found he had a "Hannibal Lector" (sp?) impression about him. Most of
his face was completely still throughout the movie, the only thing
changing was that soft smile into a sneer at points.
>That's one of the true advantages of reading a screenplay you get to cast in
>your head.
Agreed, this is the only one where I saw the film version before
reading the written text. I was stuck with the casting in my mind
while I read it.
>In my head when I think of Linoge i see Christopher Walken(and not ray park
>think you Candi!)
*sticks her tongue out at Andy*
Really? I thought Colm Feore shone as Linoge, as much as I adore
Walken I think his looks would have gone against him in this part (not
to mention his age.). Walken has a look to me that I can't describe..
I don't think he could have been subtle enough. Feore managed to get
that "I'd cross the street to avoid him, but don't know why." look
down just right.
For the normal actors... I'm kinda sticking with what I saw
>in the miniseries. I thought everyone did a good job. Except Casey
>Siezmicko.... he'll always be DIRTY STEVE from "young guns" in my heart of
>hearts.
I can't remember Young Guns, so I'll have to pass on comment about
Casey Siezmicko, but I thought Tim Daly was weak. I've never really
liked him as an actor in anything I've seen to date. He just doesn't
seem 'believable' to me. Any outstanding performances by him that you
can recommend?
As for the book, I agree that the rant was a touch long winded, and
unnecessary. I've picked it up again and started in with everyone. I
recall being a little intimidated when I first picked it up, thinking
there was no way I was going to be able to read a screenplay and not
get truly bored. However, I found it was so close to the miniseries,
so little was changed that it played out vividly in my mind as I read.
For those who have seen the miniseries:
Does anyone other than me think that the scenes at Martha Clarendon's
house would have been better left as they were in the book?
Candi
Louisa Hellwig
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> I'm joining the group read, as well. Hope I'm
invited andI can insert an
> idea here. Since as you say, the weather report
is drawn out--is it
> possible that much of this report is Linoge's
doing. The television has
> been blown out afterall. Isn't it possible that
much of what we are hearing
> in this extended forecast is his fabrication.
It seems that much of what
> she has to say isn't what you would expect from
a typical forecast,
> especially the death destruction and armegedon
line. Also, when do
> weatherperson's break away with balogna
comercials?
I'm assuming that Andy is just sleeping in (it's
7:00 am Central Time - since when did that become
sleeping in????) and hasn't officially welcomed
you to the group. But I'm going to respond
anyway.
Great concept! Yes, if Linoge could make the TV
continue broadcasting, if he could control Robbie
(now *there*'s a waste of good polyester), then
yeah, he could control what the TV is
broadcasting. It didn't necessarily have to be
the actual weather lady (wouldn't she be in
Banger? I'm not up on Maine geography.), but it
could be - this being King and all - that Linoges
is controlling the image (on a broken TV set yet)
and the voice of the weather lady. So she'd keep
repeating the weather report and that stupid
commercial.
I can't speak for anyone else, but our weather
channel spends all of 2 minutes, on the 8's, on
the Chicago(land) weather. (I suspect they spend
more time talking about the East Coast, but my
husband says not.)
So yeah, I think your theory holds water. Or
weather forecasts.
As for OMIT at scene 83...Well, we all know that
King edits himself - or has Tabitha do it - so
would it be possible that he had something written
there, then later went back and deleted it? Of
course, that brings up the question - why didn''t
he just re-number the scenes? So I just spent all
these lines saying "I have no clue."
Okay, my contribution...Stephen King just can't
stop adding to the narrative, can he? In what
would normally be relatively dull stage
directions, he adds what people are thinking, as
well as what I consider to be "narrative", such as
Scene 84 in Act....uhm....well, its where Mike and
Hatch go fetch Linoge out of the Calender house.
"He points his pistol at the house again, and I
think we have a real question about what may
happpen when and if MIKE and HATCH bring their
prisoner out. ROBBIE is on a hair trigger." I've
read screenplays before, and (although I never
made it myself) I used to feed lines to a friend
in college so *she* could be in plays. Those
screenplays were dry as dirt - as if everyone
expected them to turn into mini-Dustin Hoffman's
and "discover" their characters. This really does
make it more of a novel than a typical screenplay.
I mean, he's added stuff that you *have* to read
the book, because there's no way that ABC (or
anyone, for that matter) could show it. (The idea
that Robbie is on a hair trigger? Sorry, if it
doesn't come out in dialogue, it ain't coming out
in the show.)
Wojo, I know the format gives you a headache, but
you might want to see if your library has it and
give it a shot. The added narrative (IMO!) makes
it read like a parsed down King novel, where all
the dialogue is indented.
Lisa Ann
ps - this post is in no way meant to disparage
Dustin Hoffman, who has been in several of my
favorite movies.
--
"Living's mostly a waste of time, and I've wasted
my share of mine..but it never feels too good, so
let's not take too long." Townes Van Zandt
Carrina
Louisa Hellwig wrote in message ...
>Okay, my contribution...Stephen King just can't
>stop adding to the narrative, can he?
EXACTLY^_^....I love it. The style is awesome....that's why I'm having so
much fun with this screenplay.....it's got all of King's descriptions and
stuff....but there's actual dialogue...which makes it so much easier to
picture. I think maybe everything he writes is just aching to be read even
if it's not made specifically for that purpose, ya know? His writings for
the X-files are probably the same way....if they were published, they'd be
easy to read also.
Mel
Debby
I have to agree that the intro took me awhile to get through and I
almost skimmed but decided I better not. I'm enjoying the screenplay
immensely. I didn't think I would, but it's fun for me. As for the Weather
lady, I live in New York in a "lake effect snow" area, and when a BIG storm
is coming it's the only news. I think King is using the weather lady to
show how much power Linoge possess'. You realize by now that he's not a
mere human being. At this point he is controlling the TV and knows some
secrets. Do you also think he is controlling the Weather too, or is he
taking advantage of the storm?
Debby
NettiesArk <netti...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I dragged through the introduction, preface,whatever. I think he got
> carried away and took too long to say his piece. I usually enjoy his
> introductions, but I really didn't care for this one at all. He could have
said
> it in a lot less words. Maybe I've been reading Robert too much, but King
came
> across as very "big headed" in this one.
> The play itself is taking some getting use to for me. It's very
distracting.
> Especially that weather lady! She's making me lose my train of thought. No
Debby
so I'd have trouble recasting the parts in my head. Christopher Walken is
my all time favorite evil guy, but I also think he is TOO evil for this
part. Shit, even when he's not acting he's scary looking!
Debby
Dvddaddy2 <dvdd...@aol.comYURPANTS> wrote in message
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> >I wonder if it's because I've seen the miniseries that Linoge seems
> >more evil now and the feud between Mike
>
> Possibly. But in the script it seems like Linouges dialouge is really
> venonomis(horrible spelling) maybe it was delivered diffrently on screen?
> That's one of the true advantages of reading a screenplay you get to cast
in
> your head.
>
> In my head when I think of Linoge i see Christopher Walken(and not ray
park
> think you Candi!) For the normal actors... I'm kinda sticking with what I
saw
> in the miniseries. I thought everyone did a good job. Except Casey
> Siezmicko.... he'll always be DIRTY STEVE from "young guns" in my heart of
> hearts.
>
>
Louisa Hellwig
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> Hi Annette,
> I have to agree that the intro took me
awhile to get through and I
> almost skimmed but decided I better not. I'm
enjoying the screenplay
> immensely. I didn't think I would, but it's fun
for me. As for the Weather
> lady, I live in New York in a "lake effect snow"
area, and when a BIG storm
> is coming it's the only news. I think King is
using the weather lady to
> show how much power Linoge possess'. You
realize by now that he's not a
> mere human being. At this point he is
controlling the TV and knows some
> secrets. Do you also think he is controlling
the Weather too, or is he
> taking advantage of the storm?
>
> Debby
Okay, you live in a "Lake Effect Snow" area (which
means you get slammed when the rest of us get
maybe 1/2 inch). But Chicago is *also* a
lake-effect snow area. And we *still* don't get
weather reports as detailed as King's screenplay!
(God, we don't even get strong tornado warnings,
even when the funnel has been sighted. Ask the
people in Plainfield.) Are you on the East Coast?
Because, if memory serves, y'all got really
slammed a couple years ago, so I could see why the
weather would be the *only* news after that.
I think you're right, King is using that !)@(*$&$
weather report to show us, the "viewers" (or
readers) just how much power Linoge can
wield...over everything.
Lisa Ann
--
"Living's mostly a waste of time, and I've wasted
my share of mine..but it never feels too good, so
let's not take too long." Townes Van Zandt
>
>
NettiesArk
>recall being a little intimidated when I first picked it up, thinking
>there was no way I was going to be able to read a screenplay and not
>get truly bored.
put it away. I'm so glad we're having a group read on this. It MADE me pick up
the book and I'm really enjoying it. I love knowing that we're reading this
together as well.
>For those who have seen the miniseries:
>Does anyone other than me think that the scenes at Martha Clarendon's
>house would have been better left as they were in the book?
Yes,definatey! I would love to have seen her eye on her cheek!
Annette
Candi
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>>For those who have seen the miniseries:
>>Does anyone other than me think that the scenes at Martha Clarendon's
>>house would have been better left as they were in the book?
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>Yes,definatey! I would love to have seen her eye on her cheek!
You're sick, I like that in a person :)
I was thinking more along the lines of how his hands were clean in the
miniseries, but he was wearing the blood and gore covered gloves while
eating the cookies and drinking the tea in the book. They really toned
down the blood in that scene. I think that leaving the gloves on him
in the state they should have been in would have given that extra
'shudder factor' that seemed missing. IIRC, he didn't have any blood
on him at all. *flips through the book for the picture* Nope.. not a
drop on his face either. Did the cane? I can't remember.
Candi
Dvddaddy2
>my all time favorite evil guy, but I also think he is TOO evil for this
>part. Shit, even when he's not acting he's scary looking!
>
>Debby
Good point DEBBY. Walken brings with him all the evil parts he's played before
because he has such and identifiable face. Whenever i read mikes kid now too I
flash on the little kid from the sixth sence.
Dvddaddy2
A little bit of blood yes.
BTW< thats the same cane stu used at the end of the shining mini series.
Dvddaddy2
>found he had a "Hannibal Lector" (sp?) impression about him
Yeah i thought this too. It just seems like in the screenplay Linoge is written
as more of say an evil man. Like the carachter Steve Buscemi plays in "CoN AIR"
now that was firghting.
> I thought Tim Daly was weak
Yeah pretty much he sucks.... He was okay in SOTC because well he mostly had to
play confused for the whole movie. What's up with King casting people form
WINGS in his tv movies.... jees I hope the star of "rose red" isn't Thomas
Hayden Church.
Dvddaddy2
NOT on network tv.... and they are the ones that give king the big bucks. Which
he basically says in the intro.
As much as i like king... .we gotta admitt he's a money grubbing bastard!
Dvddaddy2
>Also, a question for Andy. What does OMIT at scene 83 mean?
It means in the ORINGINAL draft of the script there was a scene they cut out
before shooting.
ANDY.
-=ANDY
Dvddaddy2
>7:00 am Central Time - since when did that become
>sleeping in????
Andy gets up everyday at ten am! Fuck it. Id i'm unemployed I stay up till 2
and sleep till ten!
> Of
>course, that brings up the question - why didn''t
>he just re-number the scenes?
It was a scene probably cut by the censors or something. OMIT means somthing
taken out right before filming. I see this all the time in my screenplays. The
shooting draft for "Thin red Line" has about 34 omit scene tags and stuff is
moved around and all kindsa crap.
-ANDY
NettiesArk
>before shooting.
I thought this WAS the original draft!
Annette
Coastal Jester
checked it out very closely, with my screen in screen TV. I have the tape of
the Stand and the DVD of SOTC. They are really close but not the same. Both
have a dog or wolf but one is more curved at the top with more wood, where
Linoge's has more silver in it.
--
Judi
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Dvddaddy2
>have a dog or wolf but one is more curved at the top with more wood, where
>Linoge's has more silver in it.
D'oh. Now i look like a total fool. I've only seen SOTC once(on dvd i mgiht
add) and seen STAND about 4 times. LAst time i saw stand it just stood out to
me so I posted it without alot of thought. What a fool I am!
_ANDY
Dvddaddy2
uhh it says something to that effect but methinks it got cleaned up ALOT for
publishing. All the abereciations are filled in and such.
-ANDY
Robert Whelan
On 30 May 2000, NettiesArk wrote:
> Date: 30 May 2000 01:42:28 GMT
> From: NettiesArk <netti...@aol.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.books.stephen-king
> Subject: thoughts on SOTC--so far
>
> Well, I dragged through the introduction, preface,whatever. I think he got
> carried away and took too long to say his piece. I usually enjoy his
> introductions, but I really didn't care for this one at all. He could have said
> it in a lot less words. Maybe I've been reading Robert too much, but King came
> across as very "big headed" in this one.
Hearing this just puts a big grin on my face!
> The play itself is taking some getting use to for me. It's very distracting.
> Especially that weather lady! She's making me lose my train of thought. No
> weather report goes on this long, does it?
> It's very jumpy also, moving all over town. I guess it will get better as it
> goes on.
Wrong.
Coastal Jester
be toast for sure.
"He's got the whole world in his hands"
I love this movie.
--
Judi
"Dvddaddy2" <dvdd...@aol.comYURPANTS> wrote in message
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Dvddaddy2
>I love this movie.
Beuschimi was the best part! At the end when he's shooting craps "Do you feel
lucky" "Yes I do. Yes I do"
Damn i love this movie too.
-ANDY
Marge: "Have you seen the new woodsy allen movie?"
Flanders: "They'd be great if it wasnt for that nervous guy
who acts in all of them".
to send email TAKE OFF YUR PANTS
Coastal Jester
thread.
I have a handful of movies (mostly action) that I watch over and over. Con
Air has a great cast and I watch it about once a month. I just don't get
tired of it. That last scene was great! I also like his line (and I don't
remember it exactly) "I once rode around town with the head of a woman as a
hat." LOL! He was a sick fucker.
And BTW Wojo. Blade is another of my watchovers. Who cares if we don't have
taste!!
--
Judi
http://members.home.net/coastaljester/SK.html
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Dvddaddy2
>hat." LOL! He was a sick fucker.
Yeah he says something like "What if i told you insane was going to work five
days a week for twenty yers only to be fired by layoffs so some wetback can
gety our job for a quarter an hour".
Now that was an insano rant.
ohhh and "Blade" is tasty too..... although WOJO posts one message about it and
refuses to discuess the film further.... what a puss.
Early Sun
"Dvddaddy2" wrote in message
> ohhh and "Blade" is tasty too..... although WOJO posts one message about
it and
> refuses to discuess the film further.... what a puss.
>
I liked this film a lot too. The pump panel version of Confusion at the
opening scene is great.